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Posted to user@hivemind.apache.org by Andrea Chiumenti <ki...@gmail.com> on 2006/07/12 22:11:31 UTC
Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Hey, I'm to release the first set of packages, of jfly project a framework
for developing business applications.
I've seen that maven2 seems promising, but I'm not very comfortable with it,
since I'm used to ant.
What is your suggesition (vote) keep with ant, or implement a build system
with maven (it will slow the delivery process)
Second point - (legal):
The project will be released under AFL2,
on apache.org it's written to include into files the comment string
Copyright [yyyy] [name of copyright owner] Licensed under the Apache
License, Version 2.0 (the "License"); you may not use this file except in
compliance with the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at
http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 Unless required by applicable law
or agreed to in writing, software distributed under the License is
distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY
KIND, either express or implied. See the License for the specific language
governing permissions and limitations under the License.
and to replace names inside the [].
I've seen that in Tapestry are
Copyright 2004,2005 The Apache Software Foundation.
Should my notation be the same ?
Thx,
kiuma
Re: Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Posted by Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com>.
>Ivy is a dependency manager like a part of maven. It is compatible with the maven repository. you integrate it with ant. The advantage is that you retain the
>raw power of the mass of the ant tasks out there. Although maven2 is capable of handling ant tasks as well only not as direct. Further you do not have to
>store your dependencies localy but let ivy retrieve them. Like maven
In my experience with any kind of non trivial build steps it is easier to call Ant
from Maven and do suff in Ant than write Maven plugin, and since my
builds usually have few non-trivial steps I found it easier to stick
with
Ant for everything. Especially now when Ant supports 'import'.
I feel that Maven is 'wizardish' in Microsoft style: it makes simple things
even simpler and hard thinds much harder.
Re: Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Posted by Rolf Strijdhorst <ro...@gmail.com>.
Ivy is a dependency manager like a part of maven. It is compatible with the
maven repository. you integrate it with ant. The advantage is that you
retain the raw power of the mass of the ant tasks out there. Although maven2
is capable of handling ant tasks as well only not as direct. Further you do
not have to store your dependencies localy but let ivy retrieve them. Like
maven
http://www.jayasoft.org/ivy
On 7/18/06, Aleksej <al...@ivs.lt> wrote:
>
> I already print it and now reading it time to time. Never heard anything
> about ivy. It would be interesting to know more about it.
>
> Rolf Strijdhorst wrote:
> > True maven and maven2 are not compatible.
> > But currently the project migrating towards a maven build are all
> > going for maven2.
> > some even are migrating from maven to maven2. I think maven2 will
> > become the main build process. of all the opensource build mechanisms
> > I heard of:
> > maven
> > maven2
> > ant (including ivy)
> > buckminister(eclipse foundation).
> >
> > maven2 even has a book (opensource) made bij mergere could be very
> > usefull to you.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/17/06, *Aleksej* <aleksej@ivs.lt <ma...@ivs.lt>> wrote:
> >
> > As I know Maven and Maven2 are not compatible or at least have lots
> of
> > differences, but lots of projects
> > on ASF or Codehaus are made using Maven, not Maven2. Are they
> > migrating
> > on second version?
> > I just started to reading about Maven and very interested in all
> > that staff.
> >
> > Rolf Strijdhorst wrote:
> > > Sorry to mention it. no matter what Hani has to say about mergere
> I
> > > would go the maven2 way.As Mergere and maven are not the same.
> > As you
> > > will see Most of the apache projects run with maven. Yes it has
> > > problems but it delivers a conventional way of building. Something
> > > that cannot be said about an ant build.
> > > Further the market (I mean the developer one and not the vendor
> one)
> > > seems to head into the maven direction. By the way Maven is not
> > that
> > > hard to learn. in fact i find it quite easy.
> > >
> > > ps. I am in no way related to maven whatsoever. Just very
> interested
> > > in what your framework has to offer.
> > >
> > > On 7/12/06, *Konstantin Ignatyev* < kgignatyev@yahoo.com
> > <ma...@yahoo.com>
> > > <mailto:kgignatyev@yahoo.com <ma...@yahoo.com>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, cannot help you with licensing issues.
> > >
> > >
> > > */Andrea Chiumenti < kiuma72@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:kiuma72@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>>/*
> wrote:
> > >
> > > You are right, it seems very easy, thank you!
> > >
> > > Do you have soggestions for the license problem too ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Konstantin Ignatyev
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add
> > > fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115
> > > square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles
> of
> > > desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode
> > > seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs
> > to the
> > > stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
> > >
> > > Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental
> > Movement
> > > Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public
> Schools.
> > > New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5)
> > (p.206)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Posted by Aleksej <al...@ivs.lt>.
I already print it and now reading it time to time. Never heard anything
about ivy. It would be interesting to know more about it.
Rolf Strijdhorst wrote:
> True maven and maven2 are not compatible.
> But currently the project migrating towards a maven build are all
> going for maven2.
> some even are migrating from maven to maven2. I think maven2 will
> become the main build process. of all the opensource build mechanisms
> I heard of:
> maven
> maven2
> ant (including ivy)
> buckminister(eclipse foundation).
>
> maven2 even has a book (opensource) made bij mergere could be very
> usefull to you.
>
>
>
> On 7/17/06, *Aleksej* <aleksej@ivs.lt <ma...@ivs.lt>> wrote:
>
> As I know Maven and Maven2 are not compatible or at least have lots of
> differences, but lots of projects
> on ASF or Codehaus are made using Maven, not Maven2. Are they
> migrating
> on second version?
> I just started to reading about Maven and very interested in all
> that staff.
>
> Rolf Strijdhorst wrote:
> > Sorry to mention it. no matter what Hani has to say about mergere I
> > would go the maven2 way.As Mergere and maven are not the same.
> As you
> > will see Most of the apache projects run with maven. Yes it has
> > problems but it delivers a conventional way of building. Something
> > that cannot be said about an ant build.
> > Further the market (I mean the developer one and not the vendor one)
> > seems to head into the maven direction. By the way Maven is not
> that
> > hard to learn. in fact i find it quite easy.
> >
> > ps. I am in no way related to maven whatsoever. Just very interested
> > in what your framework has to offer.
> >
> > On 7/12/06, *Konstantin Ignatyev* < kgignatyev@yahoo.com
> <ma...@yahoo.com>
> > <mailto:kgignatyev@yahoo.com <ma...@yahoo.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, cannot help you with licensing issues.
> >
> >
> > */Andrea Chiumenti < kiuma72@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:kiuma72@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>>/* wrote:
> >
> > You are right, it seems very easy, thank you!
> >
> > Do you have soggestions for the license problem too ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Konstantin Ignatyev
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add
> > fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115
> > square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of
> > desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode
> > seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs
> to the
> > stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
> >
> > Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental
> Movement
> > Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools.
> > New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5)
> (p.206)
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Posted by Rolf Strijdhorst <ro...@gmail.com>.
True maven and maven2 are not compatible.
But currently the project migrating towards a maven build are all going for
maven2.
some even are migrating from maven to maven2. I think maven2 will become the
main build process. of all the opensource build mechanisms I heard of:
maven
maven2
ant (including ivy)
buckminister(eclipse foundation).
maven2 even has a book (opensource) made bij mergere could be very usefull
to you.
On 7/17/06, Aleksej <al...@ivs.lt> wrote:
>
> As I know Maven and Maven2 are not compatible or at least have lots of
> differences, but lots of projects
> on ASF or Codehaus are made using Maven, not Maven2. Are they migrating
> on second version?
> I just started to reading about Maven and very interested in all that
> staff.
>
> Rolf Strijdhorst wrote:
> > Sorry to mention it. no matter what Hani has to say about mergere I
> > would go the maven2 way.As Mergere and maven are not the same. As you
> > will see Most of the apache projects run with maven. Yes it has
> > problems but it delivers a conventional way of building. Something
> > that cannot be said about an ant build.
> > Further the market (I mean the developer one and not the vendor one)
> > seems to head into the maven direction. By the way Maven is not that
> > hard to learn. in fact i find it quite easy.
> >
> > ps. I am in no way related to maven whatsoever. Just very interested
> > in what your framework has to offer.
> >
> > On 7/12/06, *Konstantin Ignatyev* <kgignatyev@yahoo.com
> > <ma...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, cannot help you with licensing issues.
> >
> >
> > */Andrea Chiumenti < kiuma72@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>>/* wrote:
> >
> > You are right, it seems very easy, thank you!
> >
> > Do you have soggestions for the license problem too ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Konstantin Ignatyev
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add
> > fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115
> > square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of
> > desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode
> > seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the
> > stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
> >
> > Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement
> > Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools.
> > New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Posted by Aleksej <al...@ivs.lt>.
As I know Maven and Maven2 are not compatible or at least have lots of
differences, but lots of projects
on ASF or Codehaus are made using Maven, not Maven2. Are they migrating
on second version?
I just started to reading about Maven and very interested in all that staff.
Rolf Strijdhorst wrote:
> Sorry to mention it. no matter what Hani has to say about mergere I
> would go the maven2 way.As Mergere and maven are not the same. As you
> will see Most of the apache projects run with maven. Yes it has
> problems but it delivers a conventional way of building. Something
> that cannot be said about an ant build.
> Further the market (I mean the developer one and not the vendor one)
> seems to head into the maven direction. By the way Maven is not that
> hard to learn. in fact i find it quite easy.
>
> ps. I am in no way related to maven whatsoever. Just very interested
> in what your framework has to offer.
>
> On 7/12/06, *Konstantin Ignatyev* <kgignatyev@yahoo.com
> <ma...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Sorry, cannot help you with licensing issues.
>
>
> */Andrea Chiumenti < kiuma72@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>
> You are right, it seems very easy, thank you!
>
> Do you have soggestions for the license problem too ?
>
>
>
>
> Konstantin Ignatyev
>
>
>
>
> PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add
> fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115
> square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of
> desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode
> seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the
> stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
>
> Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement
> Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools.
> New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
>
>
Re: Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Posted by Rolf Strijdhorst <ro...@gmail.com>.
Sorry to mention it. no matter what Hani has to say about mergere I would go
the maven2 way.As Mergere and maven are not the same. As you will see Most
of the apache projects run with maven. Yes it has problems but it delivers
a conventional way of building. Something that cannot be said about an ant
build.
Further the market (I mean the developer one and not the vendor one) seems
to head into the maven direction. By the way Maven is not that hard to
learn. in fact i find it quite easy.
ps. I am in no way related to maven whatsoever. Just very interested in what
your framework has to offer.
On 7/12/06, Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, cannot help you with licensing issues.
>
>
> *Andrea Chiumenti <ki...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> You are right, it seems very easy, thank you!
>
> Do you have soggestions for the license problem too ?
>
>
>
>
> Konstantin Ignatyev
>
>
>
>
> PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen
> million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of
> tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between
> forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add
> 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by
> 263,000
>
> Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a
> Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State
> University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
>
Re: Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Posted by Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com>.
Sorry, cannot help you with licensing issues.
Andrea Chiumenti <ki...@gmail.com> wrote: You are right, it seems very easy, thank you!
Do you have soggestions for the license problem too ?
Konstantin Ignatyev
PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
Re: Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Posted by Andrea Chiumenti <ki...@gmail.com>.
You are right, it seems very easy, thank you!
Do you have soggestions for the license problem too ?
On 7/12/06, Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I suggest you to stick with Ant and do not go the Maven route even it
> looks promising (
> http://www.jroller.com/page/fate?entry=mergere_maven_s_crowning_glory
> )
>
> For dependency management I really suggest trying Ivy
> http://jayasoft.org/ivy/ , I think it is _very_ good, way better than
> ant-dependencies task from Maven2.
>
>
>
> *Andrea Chiumenti <ki...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm to release the first set of packages, of jfly project a framework
> for developing business applications.
>
> I've seen that maven2 seems promising, but I'm not very comfortable with
> it, since I'm used to ant.
>
>
>
>
> Konstantin Ignatyev
>
>
>
>
> PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen
> million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of
> tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between
> forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add
> 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by
> 263,000
>
> Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a
> Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State
> University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
>
Re: Hamletic doubt, about build system and AFL
Posted by Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com>.
I suggest you to stick with Ant and do not go the Maven route even it
looks promising (
http://www.jroller.com/page/fate?entry=mergere_maven_s_crowning_glory
)
For dependency management I really suggest trying Ivy
http://jayasoft.org/ivy/ , I think it is _very_ good, way better than
ant-dependencies task from Maven2.
Andrea Chiumenti <ki...@gmail.com> wrote: Hey, I'm to release the first set of packages, of jfly project a framework for developing business applications.
I've seen that maven2 seems promising, but I'm not very comfortable with it, since I'm used to ant.
Konstantin Ignatyev
PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)