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[DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Hi Sebb,
On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:32 AM, sebb wrote:
> On 16 August 2012 14:41, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> We have already called and completed a community VOTE with the Any23
>> community and the Tika PMC and they have positively recommended Any23's
>> graduation from the Incubator.
>
> According to the Incubator status page, the name search is not yet complete.
I know Lewis was doing this recently. When we first had the project accepted
into Incubation before Robert finished updating the PODLINGNAMESEARCH
stuff I think I did some searching (on Google/etc.). I'm fairly comfortable that
we can check this off -- Any23 is fairly obtuse and AFAIK originated at the
research institutions represented by those folks here on the project.
I'm +1 though to simply update the page and check it off. I or someone else
(Lewis) will do that shortly.
>
>> VOTE: http://s.apache.org/fU
>> RESULT: http://s.apache.org/VAl
>>
>> I am now calling for a VOTE with the Incubator PMC to graduate Any23 from
>> the Incubator. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours.
>>
>> [ ] +1 Graduate Any23 from the Apache Incubator.
>> [ ] +0 Don't care.
>> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Any23 from the Apache Incubator because...
>>
>> The Any23 draft board resolution is pasted for your consideration below.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris Mattmann
>> Any23 Champion
>>
>> P.S. Here's my +1!
>>
>> -----
>> X. Establish the Apache Any23 Project
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>> purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>> the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
>> distribution at no charge to the public, related to the automatic crawling,
>> parsing and analyzing of data to produce RDF.
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Any23 Project",
>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> Foundation; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Any23 Project be and hereby is
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>> related to the automatic crawling, parsing and analyzing of data
>> to produce RDF and be it further
>
> "RDF" on its own seems a little cryptic; perhaps needs expansion.
s/RDF/W3C's Resource Description Framework/ ?
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Everyone,
Just poking this thread again. We already have enough IPMC +1 VOTEs
to graduate. I am going to leave this thread open until Monday, tally up
the VOTEs then and send a [RESULT] thread to wrap this up.
Thanks for the opinions expressed so far.
Cheers,
Chris
On Aug 17, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Heh, yeah I forgot to add:
>
> ...and that's something I'd rather leave to the board to do (*or not*)...
>
> But yeah, +1 I think this is "close enough" and should pass muster.
> Can we get back to VOTE'ing on the graduation now? Thanks! :)
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Aug 17, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>> <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> ...At this point we're just wordsmithing
>>> and that's something I'd rather leave to the board to do...
>>
>> As a board member, I don't mind getting a good project charter
>> description in the resolution ;-)
>>
>> (but I agree that a VOTE thread might not be the best place to fix that)
>>
>> -Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Heh, yeah I forgot to add:
...and that's something I'd rather leave to the board to do (*or not*)...
But yeah, +1 I think this is "close enough" and should pass muster.
Can we get back to VOTE'ing on the graduation now? Thanks! :)
Cheers,
Chris
On Aug 17, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> ...At this point we're just wordsmithing
>> and that's something I'd rather leave to the board to do...
>
> As a board member, I don't mind getting a good project charter
> description in the resolution ;-)
>
> (but I agree that a VOTE thread might not be the best place to fix that)
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> ...At this point we're just wordsmithing
> and that's something I'd rather leave to the board to do...
As a board member, I don't mind getting a good project charter
description in the resolution ;-)
(but I agree that a VOTE thread might not be the best place to fix that)
-Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Sebb,
On Aug 17, 2012, at 4:40 AM, sebb wrote:
> On 17 August 2012 11:53, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>>>>>>> purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>>>>>>> the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
>>>>>>>> distribution at no charge to the public, related to the
>>>>>>>> automatic crawling,
>>>>>>>> parsing and analyzing of data to produce RDF.
>>
>>
>> Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How about:
>>>>
>>>> related to automatic crawling, parsing, analyzing, producing, and
>>>> converting RDF
>>>> data?
>>
>>
>> Minor:
>>
>> [[
>> related to automatic crawling, parsing, analyzing, producing, and converting
>> *of* RDF data
>> ]]
>
> Suffers from the same problem that I mentioned before:
>
> There's only one object - RDF data - for all the verbs.
> However crawling, parsing and analysing don't apply to RDF data (at
> least not exclusively).
>
> The phrase needs to mention the other data that is involved.
Can you suggest an alternative? At this point we're just wordsmithing
and that's something I'd rather leave to the board to do. With some of
the project descriptions that have made it through the Incubator, to
wordsmith Any23 like this is a bit over the top.
>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Sound better?
>>
>> sebb wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> At first glance, with the previous version in mind, it seems better.
>>> But when re-read in isolation the phrase implies to me that only RDF
>>> data is involved.
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Not sure how well known RDF is as a TLA.
>>> For avoidance of doubt, perhaps put:
>>>
>>> RDF (Resource Description Framework) data
>>>
>>> where necessary.
>>
>>
>> +1 to "RDF (Resource Description Framework)"
+1 to using RDF (Resource Description Framework) as well.
I'll do a find/replace on that phrase, along with Andy's and
Sebb's comments.
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 17 August 2012 11:53, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>>>>>> purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>>>>>> the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
>>>>>>> distribution at no charge to the public, related to the
>>>>>>> automatic crawling,
>>>>>>> parsing and analyzing of data to produce RDF.
>
>
> Chris wrote:
>>>
>>> How about:
>>>
>>> related to automatic crawling, parsing, analyzing, producing, and
>>> converting RDF
>>> data?
>
>
> Minor:
>
> [[
> related to automatic crawling, parsing, analyzing, producing, and converting
> *of* RDF data
> ]]
Suffers from the same problem that I mentioned before:
There's only one object - RDF data - for all the verbs.
However crawling, parsing and analysing don't apply to RDF data (at
least not exclusively).
The phrase needs to mention the other data that is involved.
>>>
>
>>> Sound better?
>
> sebb wrote:
>>
>>
>> At first glance, with the previous version in mind, it seems better.
>> But when re-read in isolation the phrase implies to me that only RDF
>> data is involved.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Not sure how well known RDF is as a TLA.
>> For avoidance of doubt, perhaps put:
>>
>> RDF (Resource Description Framework) data
>>
>> where necessary.
>
>
> +1 to "RDF (Resource Description Framework)"
>
> Andy
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>>>>> purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>>>>> the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
>>>>>> distribution at no charge to the public, related to the automatic crawling,
>>>>>> parsing and analyzing of data to produce RDF.
Chris wrote:
>> How about:
>>
>> related to automatic crawling, parsing, analyzing, producing, and converting RDF
>> data?
Minor:
[[
related to automatic crawling, parsing, analyzing, producing, and
converting *of* RDF data
]]
>>
>> Sound better?
sebb wrote:
>
> At first glance, with the previous version in mind, it seems better.
> But when re-read in isolation the phrase implies to me that only RDF
> data is involved.
>
> ==
>
> Not sure how well known RDF is as a TLA.
> For avoidance of doubt, perhaps put:
>
> RDF (Resource Description Framework) data
>
> where necessary.
+1 to "RDF (Resource Description Framework)"
Andy
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 16 August 2012 18:55, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hey Sebb,
>
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:47 AM, sebb wrote:
>
>>>>> X. Establish the Apache Any23 Project
>>>>>
>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>>>> purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>>>> the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
>>>>> distribution at no charge to the public, related to the automatic crawling,
>>>>> parsing and analyzing of data to produce RDF.
>>>>>
>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Any23 Project",
>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Any23 Project be and hereby is
>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>>>> related to the automatic crawling, parsing and analyzing of data
>>>>> to produce RDF and be it further
>>>>
>>>> "RDF" on its own seems a little cryptic; perhaps needs expansion.
>>>
>>> s/RDF/W3C's Resource Description Framework/ ?
>>
>> That would help define RDF, but that was not my prime concern.
>>
>> The web-page suggests that Any23 can do more than create RDF files:
>>
>> "As a command-line tool for extracting and converting between the
>> supported formats."
>>
>> I think that would be outside the scope as defined above.
>
> How about:
>
> related to automatic crawling, parsing, analyzing, producing, and converting RDF
> data?
>
> Sound better?
At first glance, with the previous version in mind, it seems better.
But when re-read in isolation the phrase implies to me that only RDF
data is involved.
==
Not sure how well known RDF is as a TLA.
For avoidance of doubt, perhaps put:
RDF (Resource Description Framework) data
where necessary.
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hey Sebb,
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:47 AM, sebb wrote:
>>>> X. Establish the Apache Any23 Project
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>>> purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>>> the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
>>>> distribution at no charge to the public, related to the automatic crawling,
>>>> parsing and analyzing of data to produce RDF.
>>>>
>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Any23 Project",
>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Any23 Project be and hereby is
>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>>> related to the automatic crawling, parsing and analyzing of data
>>>> to produce RDF and be it further
>>>
>>> "RDF" on its own seems a little cryptic; perhaps needs expansion.
>>
>> s/RDF/W3C's Resource Description Framework/ ?
>
> That would help define RDF, but that was not my prime concern.
>
> The web-page suggests that Any23 can do more than create RDF files:
>
> "As a command-line tool for extracting and converting between the
> supported formats."
>
> I think that would be outside the scope as defined above.
How about:
related to automatic crawling, parsing, analyzing, producing, and converting RDF
data?
Sound better?
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 16 August 2012 17:42, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Sebb,
>
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:32 AM, sebb wrote:
>
>> On 16 August 2012 14:41, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>> <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> We have already called and completed a community VOTE with the Any23
>>> community and the Tika PMC and they have positively recommended Any23's
>>> graduation from the Incubator.
>>
>> According to the Incubator status page, the name search is not yet complete.
>
> I know Lewis was doing this recently. When we first had the project accepted
> into Incubation before Robert finished updating the PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> stuff I think I did some searching (on Google/etc.). I'm fairly comfortable that
> we can check this off -- Any23 is fairly obtuse and AFAIK originated at the
> research institutions represented by those folks here on the project.
>
> I'm +1 though to simply update the page and check it off. I or someone else
> (Lewis) will do that shortly.
>
>>
>>> VOTE: http://s.apache.org/fU
>>> RESULT: http://s.apache.org/VAl
>>>
>>> I am now calling for a VOTE with the Incubator PMC to graduate Any23 from
>>> the Incubator. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours.
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 Graduate Any23 from the Apache Incubator.
>>> [ ] +0 Don't care.
>>> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Any23 from the Apache Incubator because...
>>>
>>> The Any23 draft board resolution is pasted for your consideration below.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris Mattmann
>>> Any23 Champion
>>>
>>> P.S. Here's my +1!
>>>
>>> -----
>>> X. Establish the Apache Any23 Project
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's
>>> purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with
>>> the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for
>>> distribution at no charge to the public, related to the automatic crawling,
>>> parsing and analyzing of data to produce RDF.
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Any23 Project",
>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Any23 Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>> related to the automatic crawling, parsing and analyzing of data
>>> to produce RDF and be it further
>>
>> "RDF" on its own seems a little cryptic; perhaps needs expansion.
>
> s/RDF/W3C's Resource Description Framework/ ?
That would help define RDF, but that was not my prime concern.
The web-page suggests that Any23 can do more than create RDF files:
"As a command-line tool for extracting and converting between the
supported formats."
I think that would be outside the scope as defined above.
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
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> Senior Computer Scientist
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> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Any23 from the Apache Incubator
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> According to the Incubator status page, the name search is not yet complete.
Yep this should have been updated by myself. Having opened the issue,
browsed the web and other commonly used resources for such a task I'm
also convince that Apache Any23 is a suitable name for us to remain
using. For reference the issue you refer to it at [0] which I will
duly resolve and close based on my comments above. Thanks for keeping
us in check with this one.
> I know Lewis was doing this recently. When we first had the project accepted
> into Incubation before Robert finished updating the PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> stuff I think I did some searching (on Google/etc.). I'm fairly comfortable that
> we can check this off -- Any23 is fairly obtuse and AFAIK originated at the
> research institutions represented by those folks here on the project.
>
> I'm +1 though to simply update the page and check it off. I or someone else
> (Lewis) will do that shortly.
>
+1 will be done by tonight.
>>
>> "RDF" on its own seems a little cryptic; perhaps needs expansion.
>
> s/RDF/W3C's Resource Description Framework/ ?
>
If Chris' suggestion reaches a medium here then I am +1 for editing
the proposal based on this.
Thanks
Lewis
[0] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-9
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