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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com> on 2008/06/01 10:22:56 UTC
People complaining about a real release
Hi All,
We begin to have more and more unpleasant comments like this one http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=4377#comment-4377
Should we not take them into account one day or another even if our build processes is so simple ?
Tough, maybe we could simply explain clearly in this page (and perhaps some other concerned) why we prefer to do it that way ?
Jacques
Re: People complaining about a real release
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@gmail.com>.
A small detail after reading the comments in that Confluence page: ant
is no more required to setup OFBiz because we have integrated it into
OFBiz.
Jacopo
On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We begin to have more and more unpleasant comments like this one http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=4377#comment-4377
> Should we not take them into account one day or another even if our
> build processes is so simple ?
> Tough, maybe we could simply explain clearly in this page (and
> perhaps some other concerned) why we prefer to do it that way ?
>
> Jacques
Re: People complaining about a real release
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Jacopo,
Yes I totally agree. Svn export should be enough. Actually I think I have overestimated my free time in this perspective. The test
part may be long sometimes. I'm always too optimistic in the morning ;o).
The same could be done for the release 4.0 and a tag put. Or even no tags and simply an update every month for both (weekly seems a
bit too much isn'it) ? I could take care of that.
Maybe we (the community) could even decide when to do it (slightly change the date) when some interesting changes have been done, or
when some will come and we prefer to wait ?
The scenario then could be :
1. At every end of month I ask it it's ok to do it
2. If nobody think we should wait a bit I do it. Else a new date could be proposed by consensus.
3. Of course anybody could propose a date before the end of month if he/her think that we should better do it right now (Mmm ...
tags could help here)
Jacques
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@gmail.com>
To: <de...@ofbiz.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: People complaining about a real release
> Hi Jacques,
>
> actually, I was not talking about a new release... I was just suggesting to provide some sort of downloadable snapshot of the
> trunk.
>
> Jacopo
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacopo,
>>
>> Thanks for comment, so I would like to try by following http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan for trunk and
>> release.
>> I would then put attachments to this page when all would be tested and ok (or maybe create a new specific child page for that).
>> My
>> goal is to have something as easy as possible to reach, even for non- technical persons.
>>
>> I'm afraid that at the moment there are some issues in trunk when running tests (run-tests). I did not test (run-tests) release
>> for
>> a while. I suppose that I will need some efforts from the community. I will let you know about that as soon as I will know.
>>
>> BTW, do wee need tp keep this page http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+Incubating+4.0.0+Test+Snapshot+Release for
>> historical reasons ?
>>
>> I remember suddenly that David has suggested recently that we work on the framework in order to have separated from
>> applications.
>> Should we wait to be in such a state before engaging a release effort ?
>>
>> Any other suggestions/recommandations anyone ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> PS : Maybe I'm a bit optimistic about all that, so it will depend of my free time...
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> We already talked about this subject in the past...
>>> in my opinion a very simple (to manage for the community) and effective way of helping new users, with minimal technical
>>> knowledge, that just want to quickly taste how OFBiz is setup in their pc, is to provide a weekly (or montly) zipped file of
>>> an
>>> "svn export" (or a bigger "svn checkout") of the trunk.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> We begin to have more and more unpleasant comments like this one
>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=4377#comment-4377
>>>> Should we not take them into account one day or another even if our build processes is so simple ?
>>>> Tough, maybe we could simply explain clearly in this page (and perhaps some other concerned) why we prefer to do it that way
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>
>>
>
Re: People complaining about a real release
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Yeah - we can easily make this part of the nightly build and post a
link to the most recent one if this is something everyone is into.
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Jun 1, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Anil Patel wrote:
> Providing a downloadable snapshot is a good Idea. Its light weight
> process compared to doing a release. We can get started anytime.
>
> Regards
> Anil Patel
>
> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacques,
>>
>> actually, I was not talking about a new release... I was just
>> suggesting to provide some sort of downloadable snapshot of the
>> trunk.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jacopo,
>>>
>>> Thanks for comment, so I would like to try by following http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan
>>> for trunk and release.
>>> I would then put attachments to this page when all would be tested
>>> and ok (or maybe create a new specific child page for that). My
>>> goal is to have something as easy as possible to reach, even for
>>> non-technical persons.
>>>
>>> I'm afraid that at the moment there are some issues in trunk when
>>> running tests (run-tests). I did not test (run-tests) release for
>>> a while. I suppose that I will need some efforts from the
>>> community. I will let you know about that as soon as I will know.
>>>
>>> BTW, do wee need tp keep this page http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+Incubating+4.0.0+Test+Snapshot+Release
>>> for
>>> historical reasons ?
>>>
>>> I remember suddenly that David has suggested recently that we work
>>> on the framework in order to have separated from applications.
>>> Should we wait to be in such a state before engaging a release
>>> effort ?
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions/recommandations anyone ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> PS : Maybe I'm a bit optimistic about all that, so it will depend
>>> of my free time...
>>>
>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@gmail.com>
>>>> We already talked about this subject in the past...
>>>> in my opinion a very simple (to manage for the community) and
>>>> effective way of helping new users, with minimal technical
>>>> knowledge, that just want to quickly taste how OFBiz is setup in
>>>> their pc, is to provide a weekly (or montly) zipped file of an
>>>> "svn export" (or a bigger "svn checkout") of the trunk.
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> We begin to have more and more unpleasant comments like this one
>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=4377#comment-4377
>>>>> Should we not take them into account one day or another even if
>>>>> our build processes is so simple ?
>>>>> Tough, maybe we could simply explain clearly in this page (and
>>>>> perhaps some other concerned) why we prefer to do it that way ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: People complaining about a real release
Posted by Anil Patel <an...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Providing a downloadable snapshot is a good Idea. Its light weight
process compared to doing a release. We can get started anytime.
Regards
Anil Patel
On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> Hi Jacques,
>
> actually, I was not talking about a new release... I was just
> suggesting to provide some sort of downloadable snapshot of the trunk.
>
> Jacopo
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacopo,
>>
>> Thanks for comment, so I would like to try by following http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan
>> for trunk and release.
>> I would then put attachments to this page when all would be tested
>> and ok (or maybe create a new specific child page for that). My
>> goal is to have something as easy as possible to reach, even for
>> non-technical persons.
>>
>> I'm afraid that at the moment there are some issues in trunk when
>> running tests (run-tests). I did not test (run-tests) release for
>> a while. I suppose that I will need some efforts from the
>> community. I will let you know about that as soon as I will know.
>>
>> BTW, do wee need tp keep this page http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+Incubating+4.0.0+Test+Snapshot+Release
>> for
>> historical reasons ?
>>
>> I remember suddenly that David has suggested recently that we work
>> on the framework in order to have separated from applications.
>> Should we wait to be in such a state before engaging a release
>> effort ?
>>
>> Any other suggestions/recommandations anyone ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> PS : Maybe I'm a bit optimistic about all that, so it will depend
>> of my free time...
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> We already talked about this subject in the past...
>>> in my opinion a very simple (to manage for the community) and
>>> effective way of helping new users, with minimal technical
>>> knowledge, that just want to quickly taste how OFBiz is setup in
>>> their pc, is to provide a weekly (or montly) zipped file of an
>>> "svn export" (or a bigger "svn checkout") of the trunk.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> We begin to have more and more unpleasant comments like this one
>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=4377#comment-4377
>>>> Should we not take them into account one day or another even if
>>>> our build processes is so simple ?
>>>> Tough, maybe we could simply explain clearly in this page (and
>>>> perhaps some other concerned) why we prefer to do it that way ?
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>
>>
>
Re: People complaining about a real release
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jacques,
actually, I was not talking about a new release... I was just
suggesting to provide some sort of downloadable snapshot of the trunk.
Jacopo
On Jun 1, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Hi Jacopo,
>
> Thanks for comment, so I would like to try by following http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan
> for trunk and release.
> I would then put attachments to this page when all would be tested
> and ok (or maybe create a new specific child page for that). My
> goal is to have something as easy as possible to reach, even for non-
> technical persons.
>
> I'm afraid that at the moment there are some issues in trunk when
> running tests (run-tests). I did not test (run-tests) release for
> a while. I suppose that I will need some efforts from the community.
> I will let you know about that as soon as I will know.
>
> BTW, do wee need tp keep this page http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+Incubating+4.0.0+Test+Snapshot+Release
> for
> historical reasons ?
>
> I remember suddenly that David has suggested recently that we work
> on the framework in order to have separated from applications.
> Should we wait to be in such a state before engaging a release
> effort ?
>
> Any other suggestions/recommandations anyone ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> PS : Maybe I'm a bit optimistic about all that, so it will depend of
> my free time...
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@gmail.com>
>> We already talked about this subject in the past...
>> in my opinion a very simple (to manage for the community) and
>> effective way of helping new users, with minimal technical
>> knowledge, that just want to quickly taste how OFBiz is setup in
>> their pc, is to provide a weekly (or montly) zipped file of an
>> "svn export" (or a bigger "svn checkout") of the trunk.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> We begin to have more and more unpleasant comments like this one
>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=4377#comment-4377
>>> Should we not take them into account one day or another even if
>>> our build processes is so simple ?
>>> Tough, maybe we could simply explain clearly in this page (and
>>> perhaps some other concerned) why we prefer to do it that way ?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>
>
Re: People complaining about a real release
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Jacopo,
Thanks for comment, so I would like to try by following http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Release+Plan for trunk and release.
I would then put attachments to this page when all would be tested and ok (or maybe create a new specific child page for that). My
goal is to have something as easy as possible to reach, even for non-technical persons.
I'm afraid that at the moment there are some issues in trunk when running tests (run-tests). I did not test (run-tests) release for
a while. I suppose that I will need some efforts from the community. I will let you know about that as soon as I will know.
BTW, do wee need tp keep this page http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+Incubating+4.0.0+Test+Snapshot+Release for
historical reasons ?
I remember suddenly that David has suggested recently that we work on the framework in order to have separated from applications.
Should we wait to be in such a state before engaging a release effort ?
Any other suggestions/recommandations anyone ?
Thanks
Jacques
PS : Maybe I'm a bit optimistic about all that, so it will depend of my free time...
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@gmail.com>
> We already talked about this subject in the past...
> in my opinion a very simple (to manage for the community) and effective way of helping new users, with minimal technical
> knowledge, that just want to quickly taste how OFBiz is setup in their pc, is to provide a weekly (or montly) zipped file of an
> "svn export" (or a bigger "svn checkout") of the trunk.
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We begin to have more and more unpleasant comments like this one
>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=4377#comment-4377
>> Should we not take them into account one day or another even if our build processes is so simple ?
>> Tough, maybe we could simply explain clearly in this page (and perhaps some other concerned) why we prefer to do it that way ?
>>
>> Jacques
>
Re: People complaining about a real release
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@gmail.com>.
We already talked about this subject in the past...
in my opinion a very simple (to manage for the community) and
effective way of helping new users, with minimal technical knowledge,
that just want to quickly taste how OFBiz is setup in their pc, is to
provide a weekly (or montly) zipped file of an "svn export" (or a
bigger "svn checkout") of the trunk.
Jacopo
On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We begin to have more and more unpleasant comments like this one http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=4377#comment-4377
> Should we not take them into account one day or another even if our
> build processes is so simple ?
> Tough, maybe we could simply explain clearly in this page (and
> perhaps some other concerned) why we prefer to do it that way ?
>
> Jacques