Beam Kata / project-specific trainings

[Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>]

Hi Training!

Recently Beam received an offer of some training materials called "Beam
Kata" [1]. The Beam community is enthusiastic about this, and setting up an
area in the Beam repo for it. I certainly don't want to redirect efforts or
slow anything down there.

So my question is whether there is anything useful to do for this project.
I guess it will seem to raise the issue of what to do in similar
situations. I do feel that Beam trainings often tend to be trainings across
multiple Apache projects, hence my interest in this project. On the other
hand, the contributor building the training is often focused on Beam and
might see Beam as the most natural place to host their contribution.

What do you think?

Kenn

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/36769b9df3b9c2f621f74a70d8091b32fd913218e9615584faaffa50@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E

Re: Beam Kata / project-specific trainings

[Periom Kawnex <pe...@gmail.com>]

oh my cat....i d k. are u really far from my home?  i wish i could talk
someone in life.....

El mar., 23 de abril de 2019 9:45, Sönke Liebau
<so...@opencore.com.invalid> escribió:

> Hi Kenn,
>
> thanks for looping us into that conversation!
> I'm afraid I have no real answers at this point, to be honest. I think the
> original proposal was a little bit too narrow in that is mostly focused on
> slides and labs, but even in the short time that we have been active I
> think we have found that there is more material out there than just that
> and that this all fits well with the overall objective (see Isabel's git
> exercises for example).
>
> I think the general idea of having instructional material gathered in a
> central place to improve the chance of reusability can be directly applied
> to this scenario. If someone decided at some point to create Beam training
> materials, then this might be a fantastic basis (or even be used as is) for
> the labs to that training. And thinking even further, parts of the Kata
> could be reused for an HBase training (hypothetical scenario, haven't
> checked whether there is HBase code in there), when discussing ingest
> possibilities.
>
> So we'd, of course, be thrilled to host that material. At the same time, I
> can also see the Beam repository being a good place for it for obvious
> reasons.
>
> So as I said, no real answers, just an opinion :)
>
> Best regards,
> Sönke
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 11:57 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Training!
> >
> > Recently Beam received an offer of some training materials called "Beam
> > Kata" [1]. The Beam community is enthusiastic about this, and setting up
> an
> > area in the Beam repo for it. I certainly don't want to redirect efforts
> or
> > slow anything down there.
> >
> > So my question is whether there is anything useful to do for this
> project.
> > I guess it will seem to raise the issue of what to do in similar
> > situations. I do feel that Beam trainings often tend to be trainings
> across
> > multiple Apache projects, hence my interest in this project. On the other
> > hand, the contributor building the training is often focused on Beam and
> > might see Beam as the most natural place to host their contribution.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Kenn
> >
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/36769b9df3b9c2f621f74a70d8091b32fd913218e9615584faaffa50@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> >
>
>
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> Sönke Liebau
> Partner
> Tel. +49 179 7940878
> OpenCore GmbH & Co. KG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 8 - 22880 Wedel - Germany
>

Re: Beam Kata / project-specific trainings

[Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>]

Am 23. April 2019 16:44:55 MESZ schrieb "Sönke Liebau" <so...@opencore.com.INVALID>:
>So we'd, of course, be thrilled to host that material. At the same
>time, I
>can also see the Beam repository being a good place for it for obvious
>reasons.

+1 to both.

Hosting it close to Beam has the advantage that likely it's going to receive updates faster. Is expect the training project to attract material that has no such clear home, but also attract discussion on learning and teaching best practices. So maybe it makes sense to initially keep that material close to Beam, if they are willing to host it but have someone keep an eye on lists here...

Just my humble opinion,

Isabel

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Re: Beam Kata / project-specific trainings

[Sönke Liebau <so...@opencore.com.INVALID>]

Hi Kenn,

thanks for looping us into that conversation!
I'm afraid I have no real answers at this point, to be honest. I think the
original proposal was a little bit too narrow in that is mostly focused on
slides and labs, but even in the short time that we have been active I
think we have found that there is more material out there than just that
and that this all fits well with the overall objective (see Isabel's git
exercises for example).

I think the general idea of having instructional material gathered in a
central place to improve the chance of reusability can be directly applied
to this scenario. If someone decided at some point to create Beam training
materials, then this might be a fantastic basis (or even be used as is) for
the labs to that training. And thinking even further, parts of the Kata
could be reused for an HBase training (hypothetical scenario, haven't
checked whether there is HBase code in there), when discussing ingest
possibilities.

So we'd, of course, be thrilled to host that material. At the same time, I
can also see the Beam repository being a good place for it for obvious
reasons.

So as I said, no real answers, just an opinion :)

Best regards,
Sönke



On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 11:57 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Training!
>
> Recently Beam received an offer of some training materials called "Beam
> Kata" [1]. The Beam community is enthusiastic about this, and setting up an
> area in the Beam repo for it. I certainly don't want to redirect efforts or
> slow anything down there.
>
> So my question is whether there is anything useful to do for this project.
> I guess it will seem to raise the issue of what to do in similar
> situations. I do feel that Beam trainings often tend to be trainings across
> multiple Apache projects, hence my interest in this project. On the other
> hand, the contributor building the training is often focused on Beam and
> might see Beam as the most natural place to host their contribution.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kenn
>
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/36769b9df3b9c2f621f74a70d8091b32fd913218e9615584faaffa50@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>


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