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Posted to community@apache.org by Bruno Borges <br...@gmail.com> on 2010/11/09 06:02:22 UTC
ApacheCon Brazil - Why we need it? (Open Letter)
I'm not sure if this mailing list is the right one to write about this, but
I'm gonna take the risk. I suppose "Community" means anything related to it.
And this is definitely about community.
Before anything, I'd like to share my history with ASF. (skip if you want...
:D)
When I started to get involved with the Apache Software Foundation in a
deeper level, I was still just a user, downloading Tomcat and using it. I
guess most Java developers for the Web environment still do that.
5 years a go, I joined the Apache Wicket
<http://wicket.apache.org>community and then my relationship with ASF
has born. And for the last 5
years I've been speaking about it in Brazil, either in JUG
meetings<http://blog.brunoborges.com.br/2008/07/palestra-sobre-wicket-no-riojug.html>or
at
conferences<http://www.thedevelopersconference.com.br/tdc/2010/floripa/trilha-web>
around
the country<http://www.slideshare.net/brunoborges/jj-wicket-2008-presentation>
and
sharing everything I wanted to share on my
blog<http://blog.brunoborges.com.br/search/label/Wicket>. I've
even created a Google Groups for that, called Wicket
pt_BR<http://groups.google.com.br/group/wicket-ptbr/>.
With my contributions as an "evangelist" I gave birth to friendships with
great people like Martijn Dashorst, Jeremy Thomerson, Eelco Hillenius and
others from the Wicket community.
Then, in 2008 I heard about the Apache TAC and, thanks to ASF, I could meet
them in person during ApacheCon @ New Orleans. It was better than anything
I've ever experienced. Considering how close I was to great people,
professionals and friends, and how easy I could start chatting about
anything to them, I thought that was the best conference it could ever
exist. I thought: "ApacheCon is the best. I got free beer!". That was cool.
Every conference I go here in Brazil, I wish someone put some beers instead
of Coke. Until now... only #fail
Then, right after I came back from New Orleans, I started to play with the
SOA stack (Camel <http://camel.apache.org>, CXF <http://cxf.apache.org>,
ServiceMix <http://servicemix.apache.org> and ActiveMQ <http://activemq>). I
also became friend of great people like Bruce Snyder, Claus Ibsen, Hadrian
Zbarcea and Debbie Moynihan.
Last year, 2009, when I heard about ApacheCon in San Francisco, I took the
chance to apply again to the Apache TAC (no, I wasn't bargaining; it really
is expensive to fly from Brazil to the USA, specially SF). I just applied
for the tickets, and for accommodation I was safe with
CouchSurfing<http://couchsurfing.org>friends I already knew. Also, I
really wanted to help the organization. It
was when I met Nick Burch, Ross Gardler and Noirin Shirley. Could not forget
my latin friends Amelia Blevins and Carlos Sanchez. Other names like Jesse
McConnell, David Blevins and Yeliz Eseryel are also in my good memories of
ApacheCon 2009. Unfortunately this year, because of personal reasons (not
because of TAC rules), I couldn't be present at ApacheCon.
With the help of Bruno Souza, I discussed with some people, including Sally
Khudairi, the idea of *bringing ApacheCon to South America.*
*
*
What I saw on ApacheCon '08 and '09 was something amazing. Perfect for South
America. Perfect for Brazil. The Apache Way is something that must be shared
with everyone.
A few months a go, I went to Brasilia (country's capital) to talk about the
ASF in general, not on an specific project. It's amazing how people are
unaware of what the ASF really is. And how people limit their knowledge to
only what the big players show to them. Still, they all know Struts and
Tomcat. It seems that South America is a big user of Apache projects rather
than truly contributors.
Now this year, with JavaOne going to happen in Brazil, and the sessions that
were scheduled, I believe it is now the time to bring ApacheCon. There's no
single talk about anything related to the Apache Software Foundation in this
South America version of JavaOne. And I feel really sad about that. Sad that
people that are behind the organization had the opportunity to accept papers
(I myself proposed Wicket and Camel - papers I have been presenting since
2008 for rooms of 30~40 attenders).
And I'm sure everyone will use Maven, Ant or Tomcat to demonstrate
something.
I don't know if this happened because of recent issues between Oracle and
Apache, or just because of Java standards (like JSF, JavaFX, EJB) are more
important than non-standard projects. It doesn't matter. I'm sure there was
room. On my count, there are at least 3 subjects with more than 1 submission
approved. Look at JavaOne
track<http://www.oracle.com/br/javaonedevelop/javaone-tracks-br-172664-ptb.html>
.
Now, if the ASF, the most voted JCP EC
member<http://jcp.org/en/whatsnew/elections>(with 95% votes), has no
space on JavaOne Brazil, the country who have been
bravely participating in the Open Source movement, giving birth to the
OpenJDK thanks to Javali project, and Bruno Souza, than we should start
considering other alternatives. Alternatives to standards, like Wicket or
Camel.
We already have ApacheCon Europe and North America. I'm sure we can do
ApacheCon South America.
Let's do this happen. Let's do it the Apache way.
Bruno Borges
www.brunoborges.com.br
+55 21 76727099
"The glory of great men should always be
measured by the means they have used to
acquire it."
- Francois de La Rochefoucauld
Re: ApacheCon Brazil - Why we need it? (Open Letter)
Posted by Nick Burch <ni...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Bruno Borges wrote:
> Now this year, with JavaOne going to happen in Brazil, and the sessions
> that were scheduled, I believe it is now the time to bring ApacheCon.
> There's no single talk about anything related to the Apache Software
> Foundation in this South America version of JavaOne. And I feel really
> sad about that. Sad that people that are behind the organization had the
> opportunity to accept papers (I myself proposed Wicket and Camel -
> papers I have been presenting since 2008 for rooms of 30~40 attenders).
You could always ask them about running some sort of Apache content during
the conference, if you waive the usual speakers perks, or propose a half
day barcamp with an apache theme - you never know they might for one
> We already have ApacheCon Europe and North America. I'm sure we can do
> ApacheCon South America.
As Ross has pointed out, you'll need to build a team of Apache people on
the ground before this could happen. I'd strongly suggest you try running
a one day BarCampApache (or similar) first. They're really great fun to
attend, not too hard to put on, and should be a great way to draw some
more apache people out of the woodwork. Once your crack team of barcamp
organisers has been formed + run a couple of events, you'll hopefully be
ready to tackle a full apachecon :)
Nick
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Re: ApacheCon Brazil - Why we need it? (Open Letter)
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
I know of some Lucene/Solr people in Brazil/Argentina that might be interested. I, of course can't speak for them, but I can make introductions at the appropriate time.
-Grant
On Nov 9, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Bruno,
>
> This list is a good place to start, I've cc'd the appropriate internal list.
>
> I'm travelling right now, but as you know (we met in Oakland) I would like to see an event in Brazil. All Incan say is to repeat what I said in Oakland - for an event to take place in Brazil we need sufficient "on the ground" energy to drive it and make it happen. This is a significant undertaking and needs more than just one person I (and ConCom) look forward to working with you once you have managed to gather the required energy in Brazil.
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
>
> On 9 Nov 2010, at 05:02, Bruno Borges <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if this mailing list is the right one to write about this, but I'm gonna take the risk. I suppose "Community" means anything related to it. And this is definitely about community.
>>
>> Before anything, I'd like to share my history with ASF. (skip if you want... :D)
>>
>> When I started to get involved with the Apache Software Foundation in a deeper level, I was still just a user, downloading Tomcat and using it. I guess most Java developers for the Web environment still do that.
>>
>> 5 years a go, I joined the Apache Wicket community and then my relationship with ASF has born. And for the last 5 years I've been speaking about it in Brazil, either in JUG meetings or at conferences around the country and sharing everything I wanted to share on my blog. I've even created a Google Groups for that, called Wicket pt_BR. With my contributions as an "evangelist" I gave birth to friendships with great people like Martijn Dashorst, Jeremy Thomerson, Eelco Hillenius and others from the Wicket community.
>>
>> Then, in 2008 I heard about the Apache TAC and, thanks to ASF, I could meet them in person during ApacheCon @ New Orleans. It was better than anything I've ever experienced. Considering how close I was to great people, professionals and friends, and how easy I could start chatting about anything to them, I thought that was the best conference it could ever exist. I thought: "ApacheCon is the best. I got free beer!". That was cool. Every conference I go here in Brazil, I wish someone put some beers instead of Coke. Until now... only #fail
>>
>> Then, right after I came back from New Orleans, I started to play with the SOA stack (Camel, CXF, ServiceMix and ActiveMQ). I also became friend of great people like Bruce Snyder, Claus Ibsen, Hadrian Zbarcea and Debbie Moynihan.
>>
>> Last year, 2009, when I heard about ApacheCon in San Francisco, I took the chance to apply again to the Apache TAC (no, I wasn't bargaining; it really is expensive to fly from Brazil to the USA, specially SF). I just applied for the tickets, and for accommodation I was safe with CouchSurfing friends I already knew. Also, I really wanted to help the organization. It was when I met Nick Burch, Ross Gardler and Noirin Shirley. Could not forget my latin friends Amelia Blevins and Carlos Sanchez. Other names like Jesse McConnell, David Blevins and Yeliz Eseryel are also in my good memories of ApacheCon 2009. Unfortunately this year, because of personal reasons (not because of TAC rules), I couldn't be present at ApacheCon.
>>
>> With the help of Bruno Souza, I discussed with some people, including Sally Khudairi, the idea of bringing ApacheCon to South America.
>>
>> What I saw on ApacheCon '08 and '09 was something amazing. Perfect for South America. Perfect for Brazil. The Apache Way is something that must be shared with everyone.
>>
>> A few months a go, I went to Brasilia (country's capital) to talk about the ASF in general, not on an specific project. It's amazing how people are unaware of what the ASF really is. And how people limit their knowledge to only what the big players show to them. Still, they all know Struts and Tomcat. It seems that South America is a big user of Apache projects rather than truly contributors.
>>
>> Now this year, with JavaOne going to happen in Brazil, and the sessions that were scheduled, I believe it is now the time to bring ApacheCon. There's no single talk about anything related to the Apache Software Foundation in this South America version of JavaOne. And I feel really sad about that. Sad that people that are behind the organization had the opportunity to accept papers (I myself proposed Wicket and Camel - papers I have been presenting since 2008 for rooms of 30~40 attenders).
>>
>> And I'm sure everyone will use Maven, Ant or Tomcat to demonstrate something.
>>
>> I don't know if this happened because of recent issues between Oracle and Apache, or just because of Java standards (like JSF, JavaFX, EJB) are more important than non-standard projects. It doesn't matter. I'm sure there was room. On my count, there are at least 3 subjects with more than 1 submission approved. Look at JavaOne track.
>>
>> Now, if the ASF, the most voted JCP EC member (with 95% votes), has no space on JavaOne Brazil, the country who have been bravely participating in the Open Source movement, giving birth to the OpenJDK thanks to Javali project, and Bruno Souza, than we should start considering other alternatives. Alternatives to standards, like Wicket or Camel.
>>
>> We already have ApacheCon Europe and North America. I'm sure we can do ApacheCon South America.
>>
>> Let's do this happen. Let's do it the Apache way.
>>
>> Bruno Borges
>> www.brunoborges.com.br
>> +55 21 76727099
>>
>> "The glory of great men should always be
>> measured by the means they have used to
>> acquire it."
>> - Francois de La Rochefoucauld
>>
Re: ApacheCon Brazil - Why we need it? (Open Letter)
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Hi Rajkumar,
Can you please start a separate thread for this on the
community@apache.org list and drop concom@ which is for organising
conferences not discussing general community issues.
Thanks.
Ross
On 09/11/2010 17:05, Rajkumar Kannan wrote:
> Dear Ross, Nick and Other Executive Members,
> This is Rajkumar from India who participated in ApacheConUS 2009 with
> TAC travel support. My prime activity with ASF has been to introduce
> Apache projects to university students and in their curriculum.
> To increase Apache's visiblity in academics from India, I request all
> Executive Members to give their views and opinions, so that I can ignite
> student community here.
> I hope ApacheConNA 2010 was a grand success !
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Dr. Rajkumar Kannan
> Associate Professor and Chair
> Dept. of Computer Science
> Bishop Heber College(Autonomous)
> Tiruchirappalli 620017, TN
> Tel +91 31 2770136, Fax +91 31 2770293
> www.bhc.edu.in <http://www.bhc.edu.in/>
> www.rajkumarkannan.co.cc <http://www.rajkumarkannan.co.cc/>
>
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Re: ApacheCon Brazil - Why we need it? (Open Letter)
Posted by Rajkumar Kannan <ra...@gmail.com>.
Dear Ross, Nick and Other Executive Members,
This is Rajkumar from India who participated in ApacheConUS 2009 with TAC
travel support. My prime activity with ASF has been to introduce Apache
projects to university students and in their curriculum.
To increase Apache's visiblity in academics from India, I request all
Executive Members to give their views and opinions, so that I can ignite
student community here.
I hope ApacheConNA 2010 was a grand success !
Best regards,
--
Dr. Rajkumar Kannan
Associate Professor and Chair
Dept. of Computer Science
Bishop Heber College(Autonomous)
Tiruchirappalli 620017, TN
Tel +91 31 2770136, Fax +91 31 2770293
www.bhc.edu.in
www.rajkumarkannan.co.cc
Re: ApacheCon Brazil - Why we need it? (Open Letter)
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Bruno,
This list is a good place to start, I've cc'd the appropriate internal list.
I'm travelling right now, but as you know (we met in Oakland) I would like to see an event in Brazil. All Incan say is to repeat what I said in Oakland - for an event to take place in Brazil we need sufficient "on the ground" energy to drive it and make it happen. This is a significant undertaking and needs more than just one person I (and ConCom) look forward to working with you once you have managed to gather the required energy in Brazil.
Sent from my mobile device.
On 9 Nov 2010, at 05:02, Bruno Borges <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if this mailing list is the right one to write about this, but I'm gonna take the risk. I suppose "Community" means anything related to it. And this is definitely about community.
>
> Before anything, I'd like to share my history with ASF. (skip if you want... :D)
>
> When I started to get involved with the Apache Software Foundation in a deeper level, I was still just a user, downloading Tomcat and using it. I guess most Java developers for the Web environment still do that.
>
> 5 years a go, I joined the Apache Wicket community and then my relationship with ASF has born. And for the last 5 years I've been speaking about it in Brazil, either in JUG meetings or at conferences around the country and sharing everything I wanted to share on my blog. I've even created a Google Groups for that, called Wicket pt_BR. With my contributions as an "evangelist" I gave birth to friendships with great people like Martijn Dashorst, Jeremy Thomerson, Eelco Hillenius and others from the Wicket community.
>
> Then, in 2008 I heard about the Apache TAC and, thanks to ASF, I could meet them in person during ApacheCon @ New Orleans. It was better than anything I've ever experienced. Considering how close I was to great people, professionals and friends, and how easy I could start chatting about anything to them, I thought that was the best conference it could ever exist. I thought: "ApacheCon is the best. I got free beer!". That was cool. Every conference I go here in Brazil, I wish someone put some beers instead of Coke. Until now... only #fail
>
> Then, right after I came back from New Orleans, I started to play with the SOA stack (Camel, CXF, ServiceMix and ActiveMQ). I also became friend of great people like Bruce Snyder, Claus Ibsen, Hadrian Zbarcea and Debbie Moynihan.
>
> Last year, 2009, when I heard about ApacheCon in San Francisco, I took the chance to apply again to the Apache TAC (no, I wasn't bargaining; it really is expensive to fly from Brazil to the USA, specially SF). I just applied for the tickets, and for accommodation I was safe with CouchSurfing friends I already knew. Also, I really wanted to help the organization. It was when I met Nick Burch, Ross Gardler and Noirin Shirley. Could not forget my latin friends Amelia Blevins and Carlos Sanchez. Other names like Jesse McConnell, David Blevins and Yeliz Eseryel are also in my good memories of ApacheCon 2009. Unfortunately this year, because of personal reasons (not because of TAC rules), I couldn't be present at ApacheCon.
>
> With the help of Bruno Souza, I discussed with some people, including Sally Khudairi, the idea of bringing ApacheCon to South America.
>
> What I saw on ApacheCon '08 and '09 was something amazing. Perfect for South America. Perfect for Brazil. The Apache Way is something that must be shared with everyone.
>
> A few months a go, I went to Brasilia (country's capital) to talk about the ASF in general, not on an specific project. It's amazing how people are unaware of what the ASF really is. And how people limit their knowledge to only what the big players show to them. Still, they all know Struts and Tomcat. It seems that South America is a big user of Apache projects rather than truly contributors.
>
> Now this year, with JavaOne going to happen in Brazil, and the sessions that were scheduled, I believe it is now the time to bring ApacheCon. There's no single talk about anything related to the Apache Software Foundation in this South America version of JavaOne. And I feel really sad about that. Sad that people that are behind the organization had the opportunity to accept papers (I myself proposed Wicket and Camel - papers I have been presenting since 2008 for rooms of 30~40 attenders).
>
> And I'm sure everyone will use Maven, Ant or Tomcat to demonstrate something.
>
> I don't know if this happened because of recent issues between Oracle and Apache, or just because of Java standards (like JSF, JavaFX, EJB) are more important than non-standard projects. It doesn't matter. I'm sure there was room. On my count, there are at least 3 subjects with more than 1 submission approved. Look at JavaOne track.
>
> Now, if the ASF, the most voted JCP EC member (with 95% votes), has no space on JavaOne Brazil, the country who have been bravely participating in the Open Source movement, giving birth to the OpenJDK thanks to Javali project, and Bruno Souza, than we should start considering other alternatives. Alternatives to standards, like Wicket or Camel.
>
> We already have ApacheCon Europe and North America. I'm sure we can do ApacheCon South America.
>
> Let's do this happen. Let's do it the Apache way.
>
> Bruno Borges
> www.brunoborges.com.br
> +55 21 76727099
>
> "The glory of great men should always be
> measured by the means they have used to
> acquire it."
> - Francois de La Rochefoucauld
>