Re: Taking over development of DataViews

[Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>]

I finally split the DataViews in a separate project:

   https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cayenne/dataviews/trunk/
   https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cayenne/dataviews/trunk/README.txt

There are two modules - dataview and dvmodeler. README.txt file above  
has instructions on how to build them. Also I used JApplication Maven  
plugin to assemble cross-platform runnable DVModeler, just like we do  
for CayenneModeler. Everything looks nice and clean, waiting for  
somebody to take it over ;-)

Andrus



On Apr 15, 2007, at 6:38 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
> Sometimes it is good for everyone just to let it go. Nobody so far  
> volunteered to support "Cayenne DataViews", and from this  
> discussion it is clear that you sending us contributions doesn't  
> fundamentally change this situation.
>
> I'd like to wish you good luck with your project extending  
> DataViews. Also I hope that you set it up in a place like  
> SourceForge or similar so that current small (although existing)  
> DataViews user group could take advantage of your work. That is up  
> to you of course. If at some point you consider coming to ASF with  
> this code and the intent to develop it under Apache roof, you'll  
> definitely be welcomed (although the project will have to go  
> through the Incubator in that case).
>
> I'll be happy to see this technology thrive in whatever open source  
> form :-)
>
> Good luck
> Andrus
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2007, at 12:18 AM, Adrian Wiesmann wrote:
>> Hello Andrus
>>
>> First of all, I can see your viewpoint and your concerns and I  
>> respect
>> them. I would probably have the same in your position. Let me tell  
>> you
>> that we now decided to create a separate library for the dataviews  
>> and
>> leave the licence as it is. We plan to send all our changes back  
>> to the
>> Cayenne project as diffs. It is then the Cayenne projects decision  
>> if you
>> add our changes to the original or not.
>>
>>
>>> I still have concerns about the code being forked, and then the  
>>> diffs
>>> contributed back. As a practical matter, you will be using your
>>> version of code, so no testing of 'Cayenne DataViews' will occur,
>>> leaving the framework in an indeterminate state.
>>
>> Let me say two things here (and I still am not intending to stand on
>> anyones toes, although I may sound direct):
>>
>> First, the DataViews are not actively developed nor maintained at the
>> moment. So speaking of a fork is probably wrong. We just take over  
>> the
>> development in a different environment.
>>
>> And second, we don't see our copy as the official version but as  
>> work in
>> progress. We create a copy so that we can move forward in our own  
>> pace. If
>> somebody is interested to get a copy, fine with us. But we will not
>> advertise our version.
>>
>>
>>> Also after the
>>> initial period of trust-building, I am sure you'll be able to  
>>> develop
>>> at your own pace, and there will be more of a community oversight,
>>> rather than interference with the development process.
>>
>> I am sorry, but sending in our changes and then waiting for a new  
>> build is
>> currently not an option. We have very limited resources and when  
>> one of us
>> has time to develop, we need to move forward.
>>
>> We will see how our approach evolves. We currently need a tool  
>> where we
>> can manage our development and changes and I don't expect commit  
>> access in
>> your SVN. So look at it as if we would work on something like  
>> Debian. Our
>> repository contains the unstable or testing version, the Cayenne
>> repository will contain the stable source for the new dataview  
>> library.
>>
>> So if you agree in this, then please extract everything DataView  
>> from the
>> bleeding edge of Cayenne. We will then start from your newly created
>> DataView library. Otherwise we will extract the source on our own and
>> start the development with a new namespace to not run into conflicts.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrian
>>
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