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Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Hi
I am just curious to know if the 14 snapshot is due for release anytime soon?
Thanks,
Peter
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Andy Huhn <am...@hslt-online.com>.
Hi Angelo,
What is this bug? Does it only affect debugging, or might it also
affect production? Is there a JIRA for it?
Thanks,
Andy (on 5.0.13 in production, and worried)
On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 18:37 -0700, Angelo Chen wrote:
> I strongly recommend to release this 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT as soon as possible,
> 5.0.13 has a serious bug in its commit method with hibernate, it generates
> unpredictable results making debugging very difficult, switching to 5.0.14
> solves the problem, I'd say quite impossible to proceed in 5.0.13 if you
> have some hibernate code.
>
>
>
> Peter Stavrinides wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I am just curious to know if the 14 snapshot is due for release anytime
> > soon?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Peter
> >
> >
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Angelo Chen <an...@yahoo.com.hk>.
Hi Daniel,
I meant the way that a new transaction is acquired after the commit, in the
5.0.14, it always call: transaction = session.beginTransaction() to get a
new transaction. I don't know if this really fix to all my problems, but i
do have some bugs that i can't understand, example, I have dispatcher, page
and service, dispatcher create a persisted log object, page created a
persisted parent record while service created a child record, this was
working until i found out that i need to commit in the dispatcher in order
to persist the object, now everything wrong, Referential Integrity
exceptions pop out, removing the cp30 works, putting it back failed, until I
put a commit also in the page class before calling the service method to
make it work, and I don't know why I have to put a commit in the page while
page and service transactions are actually the same one, this trial and
error approach took several days, a workaround is found, but not so sure
why. upgraded to 5.0.14, and I removed the commit in the page, everything
works, at least I can explain this time that I don't need a manual commit in
the page before calling service method as eventually it will be commited due
to the @CommitAfter in the page class. I guess, if you use hibernate in a
normal way, say, purely in the page, or you do not put referential integrity
in the table level, 5.0.13 might work, otherwise it's really very
frustrating to trace those problems without really knowing what the problem
is.
I believe this problem was there in the early versions, remember I have a
post
http://www.nabble.com/T5%3A-how-to-use-Hibernate-properly--to15580722.html#a15580722
How to use Hibernate properly before? rule no. 1 in that post is:1. Don't
commit, let Tapestry-Hibernate take care of that. I think that's actually
due to this bug, it really kind of disappointing when you have no control
over the transaction, that actually means you have no control over the
integrity of the data. if you use tapestry-hibernate heavily and this bug is
there, really a problem, taking time to debug, actually you are just trying
to find a workaround:( glad 5.0.14 finally solved this problem and it has
to be released asap.
Angelo
Daniel Jue wrote:
>
> Do you mean the "bug" of not committing automatically? If so, there
> have been posts about that one, because it was actually a fix.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Angelo Chen <an...@yahoo.com.hk>
> wrote:
>>
>> I strongly recommend to release this 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT as soon as possible,
>> 5.0.13 has a serious bug in its commit method with hibernate, it
>> generates
>> unpredictable results making debugging very difficult, switching to
>> 5.0.14
>> solves the problem, I'd say quite impossible to proceed in 5.0.13 if you
>> have some hibernate code.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I am just curious to know if the 14 snapshot is due for release anytime
>>> soon?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Daniel Jue <te...@gmail.com>.
Do you mean the "bug" of not committing automatically? If so, there
have been posts about that one, because it was actually a fix.
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Angelo Chen <an...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
>
> I strongly recommend to release this 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT as soon as possible,
> 5.0.13 has a serious bug in its commit method with hibernate, it generates
> unpredictable results making debugging very difficult, switching to 5.0.14
> solves the problem, I'd say quite impossible to proceed in 5.0.13 if you
> have some hibernate code.
>
>
>
> Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am just curious to know if the 14 snapshot is due for release anytime
>> soon?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Peter
>>
>>
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Angelo Chen <an...@yahoo.com.hk>.
I strongly recommend to release this 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT as soon as possible,
5.0.13 has a serious bug in its commit method with hibernate, it generates
unpredictable results making debugging very difficult, switching to 5.0.14
solves the problem, I'd say quite impossible to proceed in 5.0.13 if you
have some hibernate code.
Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am just curious to know if the 14 snapshot is due for release anytime
> soon?
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
>
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Peter Stavrinides <P....@albourne.com>.
Thanks for the feedback Howard!
+1 for releasing .14 as beta... would releasing it even affect the final release date either way? if not, then why not?
Angelo, no worries! I do understand your point of view.
Tapestry 5 is looking very solid now, in fact I would go so far as to say Tapestry 5 as a beta is more stable than any Tapestry 4 release I can remember.... we have replaced all our production T4 apps with T5.
cheers,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Lewis Ship" <hl...@gmail.com>
To: "Tapestry users" <us...@tapestry.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008 9:16:20 PM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul
Subject: Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
I was hoping that .14 would be the release candidate; I'm now leaning
towards releasing .14 as is and having .15 (with a few modest Ajax and
validation API changes) be the release candidate. This hasn't been
discussed on the Tapestry dev mailing list, it's just my inclination.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Peter Stavrinides
<P....@albourne.com> wrote:
> Angelo
>
> Please don't use my post as a platform for your debate about the beta status of Tapestry, personally I don't mind that its a beta, whenever Howard decides to release is just fine by me, all I am curious about right now is the current snapshot, as I have a pending bug fix... just trying to get my work done.
>
> cheers,
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angelo Chen" <an...@yahoo.com.hk>
> To: users@tapestry.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, 4 August, 2008 12:59:45 PM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul
> Subject: Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Then again back to my previous answer as well, T5 is good, better than other
> released frameworks, but it has the weakest point, it is a beta. within
> community we know what the t5 status is, but when we want to communicate
> with the outside world, this is really a problem, how to convince people to
> use T5? there are developers who can decide for the user, that's a lucky
> group. there are developers working under a company, how to help them to
> convince the employer to go with the best framework in the world? the boss
> will simply say, no, we don't work with beta. and there are a group of
> independent developers that need to get projects from companies, this group
> is difficult, the competitor might simply say, that's beta, and they got the
> project.
>
> Now in your case, I believe you have been convinced T5 is the framework
> suitable for the coming production app, what difficulties you encountered so
> far to put t5 into use? if you can share with us your real experience, might
> finally convince our t5 community leaders to release the t5.
>
> I started Tapestry one year ago, I tried first t4, but did not like it,
> tried T5 and I'm hooked to it, what a nice framework! reading the roadmap,
> it said that will be released soon, then again it was said to be released
> early 2008 and I told myself that's good timing, my app might be ready by
> that time, time passed, and T5 is not released, my solution to this is, i
> just tell my user, this is a java based app, I did not mention tapestry 5
> framework:( otherwise they might google tapestry 5 and find out beta:)
>
>
> Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1. Its a production app & company policy (quite correctly) is not to run
>> on a snapshot
>> 2. Its not up to me.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angelo Chen" <an...@yahoo.com.hk>
>> To: users@tapestry.apache.org
>> Sent: Monday, 4 August, 2008 11:03:00 AM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut,
>> Bucharest, Istanbul
>> Subject: Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>>
>>
>> why not just pull down the nightly built version? it's just ok for me.
>>
>>
>> Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>>>
>>> Back to the original question, anyone got any clue when 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>>> might be ready?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
I was hoping that .14 would be the release candidate; I'm now leaning
towards releasing .14 as is and having .15 (with a few modest Ajax and
validation API changes) be the release candidate. This hasn't been
discussed on the Tapestry dev mailing list, it's just my inclination.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Peter Stavrinides
<P....@albourne.com> wrote:
> Angelo
>
> Please don't use my post as a platform for your debate about the beta status of Tapestry, personally I don't mind that its a beta, whenever Howard decides to release is just fine by me, all I am curious about right now is the current snapshot, as I have a pending bug fix... just trying to get my work done.
>
> cheers,
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angelo Chen" <an...@yahoo.com.hk>
> To: users@tapestry.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, 4 August, 2008 12:59:45 PM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul
> Subject: Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Then again back to my previous answer as well, T5 is good, better than other
> released frameworks, but it has the weakest point, it is a beta. within
> community we know what the t5 status is, but when we want to communicate
> with the outside world, this is really a problem, how to convince people to
> use T5? there are developers who can decide for the user, that's a lucky
> group. there are developers working under a company, how to help them to
> convince the employer to go with the best framework in the world? the boss
> will simply say, no, we don't work with beta. and there are a group of
> independent developers that need to get projects from companies, this group
> is difficult, the competitor might simply say, that's beta, and they got the
> project.
>
> Now in your case, I believe you have been convinced T5 is the framework
> suitable for the coming production app, what difficulties you encountered so
> far to put t5 into use? if you can share with us your real experience, might
> finally convince our t5 community leaders to release the t5.
>
> I started Tapestry one year ago, I tried first t4, but did not like it,
> tried T5 and I'm hooked to it, what a nice framework! reading the roadmap,
> it said that will be released soon, then again it was said to be released
> early 2008 and I told myself that's good timing, my app might be ready by
> that time, time passed, and T5 is not released, my solution to this is, i
> just tell my user, this is a java based app, I did not mention tapestry 5
> framework:( otherwise they might google tapestry 5 and find out beta:)
>
>
> Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1. Its a production app & company policy (quite correctly) is not to run
>> on a snapshot
>> 2. Its not up to me.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angelo Chen" <an...@yahoo.com.hk>
>> To: users@tapestry.apache.org
>> Sent: Monday, 4 August, 2008 11:03:00 AM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut,
>> Bucharest, Istanbul
>> Subject: Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>>
>>
>> why not just pull down the nightly built version? it's just ok for me.
>>
>>
>> Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>>>
>>> Back to the original question, anyone got any clue when 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>>> might be ready?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Peter Stavrinides <P....@albourne.com>.
Angelo
Please don't use my post as a platform for your debate about the beta status of Tapestry, personally I don't mind that its a beta, whenever Howard decides to release is just fine by me, all I am curious about right now is the current snapshot, as I have a pending bug fix... just trying to get my work done.
cheers,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Angelo Chen" <an...@yahoo.com.hk>
To: users@tapestry.apache.org
Sent: Monday, 4 August, 2008 12:59:45 PM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul
Subject: Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Hi Peter,
Then again back to my previous answer as well, T5 is good, better than other
released frameworks, but it has the weakest point, it is a beta. within
community we know what the t5 status is, but when we want to communicate
with the outside world, this is really a problem, how to convince people to
use T5? there are developers who can decide for the user, that's a lucky
group. there are developers working under a company, how to help them to
convince the employer to go with the best framework in the world? the boss
will simply say, no, we don't work with beta. and there are a group of
independent developers that need to get projects from companies, this group
is difficult, the competitor might simply say, that's beta, and they got the
project.
Now in your case, I believe you have been convinced T5 is the framework
suitable for the coming production app, what difficulties you encountered so
far to put t5 into use? if you can share with us your real experience, might
finally convince our t5 community leaders to release the t5.
I started Tapestry one year ago, I tried first t4, but did not like it,
tried T5 and I'm hooked to it, what a nice framework! reading the roadmap,
it said that will be released soon, then again it was said to be released
early 2008 and I told myself that's good timing, my app might be ready by
that time, time passed, and T5 is not released, my solution to this is, i
just tell my user, this is a java based app, I did not mention tapestry 5
framework:( otherwise they might google tapestry 5 and find out beta:)
Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>
>
> 1. Its a production app & company policy (quite correctly) is not to run
> on a snapshot
> 2. Its not up to me.
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angelo Chen" <an...@yahoo.com.hk>
> To: users@tapestry.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, 4 August, 2008 11:03:00 AM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut,
> Bucharest, Istanbul
> Subject: Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>
>
> why not just pull down the nightly built version? it's just ok for me.
>
>
> Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>>
>> Back to the original question, anyone got any clue when 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>> might be ready?
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Angelo Chen <an...@yahoo.com.hk>.
Hi Peter,
Then again back to my previous answer as well, T5 is good, better than other
released frameworks, but it has the weakest point, it is a beta. within
community we know what the t5 status is, but when we want to communicate
with the outside world, this is really a problem, how to convince people to
use T5? there are developers who can decide for the user, that's a lucky
group. there are developers working under a company, how to help them to
convince the employer to go with the best framework in the world? the boss
will simply say, no, we don't work with beta. and there are a group of
independent developers that need to get projects from companies, this group
is difficult, the competitor might simply say, that's beta, and they got the
project.
Now in your case, I believe you have been convinced T5 is the framework
suitable for the coming production app, what difficulties you encountered so
far to put t5 into use? if you can share with us your real experience, might
finally convince our t5 community leaders to release the t5.
I started Tapestry one year ago, I tried first t4, but did not like it,
tried T5 and I'm hooked to it, what a nice framework! reading the roadmap,
it said that will be released soon, then again it was said to be released
early 2008 and I told myself that's good timing, my app might be ready by
that time, time passed, and T5 is not released, my solution to this is, i
just tell my user, this is a java based app, I did not mention tapestry 5
framework:( otherwise they might google tapestry 5 and find out beta:)
Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>
>
> 1. Its a production app & company policy (quite correctly) is not to run
> on a snapshot
> 2. Its not up to me.
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angelo Chen" <an...@yahoo.com.hk>
> To: users@tapestry.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, 4 August, 2008 11:03:00 AM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut,
> Bucharest, Istanbul
> Subject: Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>
>
> why not just pull down the nightly built version? it's just ok for me.
>
>
> Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>>
>> Back to the original question, anyone got any clue when 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
>> might be ready?
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Peter Stavrinides <P....@albourne.com>.
1. Its a production app & company policy (quite correctly) is not to run on a snapshot
2. Its not up to me.
Peter
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From: "Angelo Chen" <an...@yahoo.com.hk>
To: users@tapestry.apache.org
Sent: Monday, 4 August, 2008 11:03:00 AM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul
Subject: Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
why not just pull down the nightly built version? it's just ok for me.
Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>
> Back to the original question, anyone got any clue when 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
> might be ready?
>
>
>
>
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Re: Tapestry 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
Posted by Angelo Chen <an...@yahoo.com.hk>.
why not just pull down the nightly built version? it's just ok for me.
Peter Stavrinides wrote:
>
> Back to the original question, anyone got any clue when 5.0.14-SNAPSHOT
> might be ready?
>
>
>
>
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