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Posted to dev@tomee.apache.org by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> on 2007/03/22 02:28:31 UTC
Looking towards graduation
Hi folks,
Over recent times, as a mentor, there's not been a whole lot to do
around here - things are ticking along just fine on their own - so I
started thinking about when it might be appropriate to graduate from
the incubator. The status file lists that all of the early pre-
requisites for graduation are complete, and with discussions about
putting a release together things are coming along nicely.
Does anyone have some thoughts on a good time to consider this?
Cheers,
Brett
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Andrus :)
On 3/22/07, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
>
> > Sorry for these questions, is there any extra workings we will do
> > when we
> > are graduated from the incubator ???
>
> Not really. What happens is that the project becomes fully self-
> governed, without Incubator PMC oversight. An occasional ASF Board
> Report is the only formal requirement. In fact once you are out of
> the incubator, release procedure becomes more straightforward (only
> the project PMC vote is required), as it is presumed that all IP
> compliance issues were addressed and double/triple checked while in
> Incubator.
>
> > And I want to know what we can do to be graduated from the
> > incubation ???
>
> Roughly the procedure is this (assuming OpenEJB goes TLP):
>
> * Incubation checklist must be complete: http://incubator.apache.org/
> projects/openejb.html
> * A graduation proposal in the form of a Board Resolution is drafted
> to be presented for the vote, as described below.
> * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the project community internally.
> * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the incubator, with only
> Incubator PMC member votes being binding.
> * If the vote passes, it is taken to the ASF board that meets once a
> month. Once the Board accepts it, the project becomes an official
> Apache project.
> * After that it is a matter of renaming the mailing lists and
> adjusting other infrastructure to reflect the final project position
> at Apache.
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Good question Manu, but recalling the words of Andrus, IMHO I think it will
be better to release after graduation.
On 3/23/07, Manu George <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is great news!! Do we plan to do the release before or after
> graduation?
>
> Regards
> Manu
>
> On 3/23/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 22, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mar 22, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
> > >
> > >> Sorry for these questions, is there any extra workings we will do
> > >> when we
> > >> are graduated from the incubator ???
> > >
> > > Not really. What happens is that the project becomes fully self-
> > > governed, without Incubator PMC oversight. An occasional ASF Board
> > > Report is the only formal requirement. In fact once you are out of
> > > the incubator, release procedure becomes more straightforward (only
> > > the project PMC vote is required), as it is presumed that all IP
> > > compliance issues were addressed and double/triple checked while in
> > > Incubator.
> > >
> > >> And I want to know what we can do to be graduated from the
> > >> incubation ???
> > >
> > > Roughly the procedure is this (assuming OpenEJB goes TLP):
> > >
> > > * Incubation checklist must be complete: http://
> > > incubator.apache.org/projects/openejb.html
> > > * A graduation proposal in the form of a Board Resolution is
> > > drafted to be presented for the vote, as described below.
> > > * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the project community
> > > internally.
> > > * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the incubator, with only
> > > Incubator PMC member votes being binding.
> > > * If the vote passes, it is taken to the ASF board that meets once
> > > a month. Once the Board accepts it, the project becomes an official
> > > Apache project.
> > > * After that it is a matter of renaming the mailing lists and
> > > adjusting other infrastructure to reflect the final project
> > > position at Apache.
> >
> > Guess we need to start working on a Graduation Proposal. Andrus, do
> > you have the Cayenne proposal handy that we could use as a reference?
> >
> > Thanks for the info too!
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Manu George <ma...@gmail.com>.
This is great news!! Do we plan to do the release before or after graduation?
Regards
Manu
On 3/23/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 22, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mar 22, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry for these questions, is there any extra workings we will do
> >> when we
> >> are graduated from the incubator ???
> >
> > Not really. What happens is that the project becomes fully self-
> > governed, without Incubator PMC oversight. An occasional ASF Board
> > Report is the only formal requirement. In fact once you are out of
> > the incubator, release procedure becomes more straightforward (only
> > the project PMC vote is required), as it is presumed that all IP
> > compliance issues were addressed and double/triple checked while in
> > Incubator.
> >
> >> And I want to know what we can do to be graduated from the
> >> incubation ???
> >
> > Roughly the procedure is this (assuming OpenEJB goes TLP):
> >
> > * Incubation checklist must be complete: http://
> > incubator.apache.org/projects/openejb.html
> > * A graduation proposal in the form of a Board Resolution is
> > drafted to be presented for the vote, as described below.
> > * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the project community
> > internally.
> > * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the incubator, with only
> > Incubator PMC member votes being binding.
> > * If the vote passes, it is taken to the ASF board that meets once
> > a month. Once the Board accepts it, the project becomes an official
> > Apache project.
> > * After that it is a matter of renaming the mailing lists and
> > adjusting other infrastructure to reflect the final project
> > position at Apache.
>
> Guess we need to start working on a Graduation Proposal. Andrus, do
> you have the Cayenne proposal handy that we could use as a reference?
>
> Thanks for the info too!
>
> -David
>
>
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Ah sorry - overlooked the previous message. I filter OpenEJB and
Geronimo emails in a combined mailbox, and that's LOTS of emails :-)
Andrus
On Mar 28, 2007, at 7:41 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>>
>> Guess we need to start working on a Graduation Proposal. Andrus,
>> do you have the Cayenne proposal handy that we could use as a
>> reference?
>
> Found the Cayenne proposal here:
>
> Section C: http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/
> board_minutes_2006_12_20.txt
>
> There's also some good info here too:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation#resolution
>
> The first thing I noticed is that it seems the "initial members"
> seems to only list the PMC people. Is that basically right?
>
> Second, do any of our Mentors wish to stay on after graduation?
> Hoping for "yes", but I know Brett has already told me he's really
> overcommitted. Henri? Jason?
>
> I'll take a stab at drafting up a proposal and check it into svn or
> something.
>
>
> -David
>
>
>
>
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Matt Hogstrom <ma...@hogstrom.org>.
+1 for he who must not be named.
On Mar 30, 2007, at 2:11 AM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> On 3/30/07, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As for the chair/TBD, is anyone against the obvious candidate? :)
>
> Nope. He's fine. ;-)
>
> Jacek
>
> --
> Jacek Laskowski
> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
My sentiments, exactly.
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> +1 David has been doing an excellent job and I think he will make a
> superb PMC chair.
>
> -dain
>
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
>
>> +1 for the obvious candidate :D
>>
>> On 3/29/07, Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/30/07, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > As for the chair/TBD, is anyone against the obvious candidate? :)
>>>
>>> Nope. He's fine. ;-)
>>>
>>> Jacek
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacek Laskowski
>>> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --Thanks
>> - Mohammad Nour
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
This reflects my feelings as well.
Regards,
Alan
On Mar 30, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> +1 David has been doing an excellent job and I think he will make a
> superb PMC chair.
>
> -dain
>
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
>
>> +1 for the obvious candidate :D
>>
>> On 3/29/07, Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/30/07, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > As for the chair/TBD, is anyone against the obvious candidate? :)
>>>
>>> Nope. He's fine. ;-)
>>>
>>> Jacek
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacek Laskowski
>>> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> - Mohammad Nour
>
>
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
+1 David has been doing an excellent job and I think he will make a
superb PMC chair.
-dain
On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
> +1 for the obvious candidate :D
>
> On 3/29/07, Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl> wrote:
>>
>> On 3/30/07, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > As for the chair/TBD, is anyone against the obvious candidate? :)
>>
>> Nope. He's fine. ;-)
>>
>> Jacek
>>
>> --
>> Jacek Laskowski
>> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
+1 for the obvious candidate :D
On 3/29/07, Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl> wrote:
>
> On 3/30/07, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As for the chair/TBD, is anyone against the obvious candidate? :)
>
> Nope. He's fine. ;-)
>
> Jacek
>
> --
> Jacek Laskowski
> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl>.
On 3/30/07, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for the chair/TBD, is anyone against the obvious candidate? :)
Nope. He's fine. ;-)
Jacek
--
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
On 30/03/2007, at 9:35 AM, Brett Porter wrote:
>
> On 30/03/2007, at 9:12 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
>>
>> Way overcommitted :(
>>
>> I'll subscribe to the -private list with the board hat on, but won't
>> be much use on the PMC.
>
> I'll do the same (different hat, though :)
I've given this some further consideration, and I'm still interested
in where the project is going and I think it's beneficial to have at
least one Member in the committee initially - so I'll remain if
you'll have me :)
>
>> As for the chair/TBD, is anyone against the obvious candidate? :)
>
> No objections here :)
Given there is clear consensus on this, I've updated the draft and
will put it up for a vote now.
- Brett
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
On 30/03/2007, at 9:12 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> Way overcommitted :(
>
> I'll subscribe to the -private list with the board hat on, but won't
> be much use on the PMC.
I'll do the same (different hat, though :)
> As for the chair/TBD, is anyone against the obvious candidate? :)
No objections here :)
- Brett
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 3/28/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 28, 2007, at 4:41 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>
> > The first thing I noticed is that it seems the "initial members"
> > seems to only list the PMC people. Is that basically right?
> >
> > Second, do any of our Mentors wish to stay on after graduation?
> > Hoping for "yes", but I know Brett has already told me he's really
> > overcommitted. Henri? Jason?
Way overcommitted :(
I'll subscribe to the -private list with the board hat on, but won't
be much use on the PMC.
> > I'll take a stab at drafting up a proposal and check it into svn or
> > something.
>
> Stab taken: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openejb/trunk/
> draft-charter.txt
I've got to get the message out better about the resolution template
in svn:committers/board/templates/.
It's a draft-resolution btw, not a charter. A charter is a community
thing you setup that defines what your project can do, how it'll do
things etc. Waste of time imo.
As for the chair/TBD, is anyone against the obvious candidate? :)
Hen
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Rick McGuire <ri...@gmail.com>.
Ok, not a problem. I hadn't realized that a PPMC had been put together.
Rick
Brett Porter wrote:
> The list is just a reflection of the current state of the project as
> it stands today. It is the PPMC [1], which will become the PMC of the
> project if accepted.
>
> This is basically no change - everyone retains the same commit and
> voting rights that they have now. And of course, once the project
> graduates, people will still be added to the PMC over time.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
> [1]
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/incubator-info.txt
>
> On 30/03/2007, at 5:35 AM, Rick McGuire wrote:
>
>> Is there a particular reason why I'm not on the list as well?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Jacek Laskowski wrote:
>>> On 3/29/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems to be the case in all the charters I've read so far.
>>>
>>> So, let's set a precedent now and include them in the list. I don't
>>> see a reason why they're out.
>>>
>>> Jacek
>>>
>
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
The list is just a reflection of the current state of the project as
it stands today. It is the PPMC [1], which will become the PMC of the
project if accepted.
This is basically no change - everyone retains the same commit and
voting rights that they have now. And of course, once the project
graduates, people will still be added to the PMC over time.
Cheers,
Brett
[1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/incubator-
info.txt
On 30/03/2007, at 5:35 AM, Rick McGuire wrote:
> Is there a particular reason why I'm not on the list as well?
>
> Rick
>
> Jacek Laskowski wrote:
>> On 3/29/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to be the case in all the charters I've read so far.
>>
>> So, let's set a precedent now and include them in the list. I don't
>> see a reason why they're out.
>>
>> Jacek
>>
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Rick McGuire <ri...@gmail.com>.
Is there a particular reason why I'm not on the list as well?
Rick
Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> On 3/29/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>> It seems to be the case in all the charters I've read so far.
>
> So, let's set a precedent now and include them in the list. I don't
> see a reason why they're out.
>
> Jacek
>
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl>.
On 3/29/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
> It seems to be the case in all the charters I've read so far.
So, let's set a precedent now and include them in the list. I don't
see a reason why they're out.
Jacek
--
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Manu George <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1 for David. He has been doing an amazing job
On 4/2/07, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 1:46 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Is this a question about PMC group or the committers? I don't see
> >> Manu
> >> and Mohammad. Why?
> >
> > That's what I was asking here
>
> The reason for ommitting committers from the proposal text is that
> once the project is accepted, it is within the powers of the newly
> established PMC to appoint committers, so committer list is of no
> concern to the Board.
>
> In practical terms this normally means that all committers of the
> incubating project automatically become committers of the graduated
> project, as I believe was mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
>
> Andrus
>
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Mar 29, 2007, at 1:46 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>>
>> Is this a question about PMC group or the committers? I don't see
>> Manu
>> and Mohammad. Why?
>
> That's what I was asking here
The reason for ommitting committers from the proposal text is that
once the project is accepted, it is within the powers of the newly
established PMC to appoint committers, so committer list is of no
concern to the Board.
In practical terms this normally means that all committers of the
incubating project automatically become committers of the graduated
project, as I believe was mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Andrus
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:23 PM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> On 3/29/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>> Stab taken: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openejb/
>> trunk/
>> draft-charter.txt
>
> Thanks Dave! It's one the worst moments when one has to start from
> scratch, and then it's so easy just to amend.
>
> (I wonder why it's not in the Wiki, but either way's fine)
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of The Apache OpenEJB
> Project: ...the names go...
>
> Is this a question about PMC group or the committers? I don't see Manu
> and Mohammad. Why?
That's what I was asking here:
On Mar 28, 2007, at 4:41 PM, David Blevins wrote:
> The first thing I noticed is that it seems the "initial members"
> seems to only list the PMC people. Is that basically right?
>
> Second, do any of our Mentors wish to stay on after graduation?
> Hoping for "yes", but I know Brett has already told me he's really
> overcommitted. Henri? Jason?
It seems to be the case in all the charters I've read so far.
-David
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl>.
On 3/29/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
> Stab taken: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openejb/trunk/
> draft-charter.txt
Thanks Dave! It's one the worst moments when one has to start from
scratch, and then it's so easy just to amend.
(I wonder why it's not in the Wiki, but either way's fine)
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
appointed to serve as the initial members of The Apache OpenEJB
Project: ...the names go...
Is this a question about PMC group or the committers? I don't see Manu
and Mohammad. Why?
Jacek
--
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Matt Hogstrom <ma...@hogstrom.org>.
David,
I apologize for not sending this earlier. I was not tending properly
to this list.
I think for the PMC members you listed there are several active
committers that were ommitted and should have been included (me not
being one of them). I know this is late so my bad. I voted +0 on
the graduation due to the initial set of committers but I'm sure that
will sort itself out as time goes on.
Cheers
On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:55 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>
> On Mar 28, 2007, at 4:41 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>
>> The first thing I noticed is that it seems the "initial members"
>> seems to only list the PMC people. Is that basically right?
>>
>> Second, do any of our Mentors wish to stay on after graduation?
>> Hoping for "yes", but I know Brett has already told me he's really
>> overcommitted. Henri? Jason?
>>
>> I'll take a stab at drafting up a proposal and check it into svn
>> or something.
>
> Stab taken: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openejb/
> trunk/draft-charter.txt
>
> Used the OFBiz and Cayenne charters as references, here they are:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/
> board_minutes_2006_12_20.txt
>
> -David
>
>
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
On Mar 28, 2007, at 4:41 PM, David Blevins wrote:
> The first thing I noticed is that it seems the "initial members"
> seems to only list the PMC people. Is that basically right?
>
> Second, do any of our Mentors wish to stay on after graduation?
> Hoping for "yes", but I know Brett has already told me he's really
> overcommitted. Henri? Jason?
>
> I'll take a stab at drafting up a proposal and check it into svn or
> something.
Stab taken: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openejb/trunk/
draft-charter.txt
Used the OFBiz and Cayenne charters as references, here they are:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/
board_minutes_2006_12_20.txt
-David
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
On Mar 22, 2007, at 6:44 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>
> On Mar 22, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for these questions, is there any extra workings we will do
>>> when we
>>> are graduated from the incubator ???
>>
>> Not really. What happens is that the project becomes fully self-
>> governed, without Incubator PMC oversight. An occasional ASF Board
>> Report is the only formal requirement. In fact once you are out of
>> the incubator, release procedure becomes more straightforward
>> (only the project PMC vote is required), as it is presumed that
>> all IP compliance issues were addressed and double/triple checked
>> while in Incubator.
>>
>>> And I want to know what we can do to be graduated from the
>>> incubation ???
>>
>> Roughly the procedure is this (assuming OpenEJB goes TLP):
>>
>> * Incubation checklist must be complete: http://
>> incubator.apache.org/projects/openejb.html
>> * A graduation proposal in the form of a Board Resolution is
>> drafted to be presented for the vote, as described below.
>> * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the project community
>> internally.
>> * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the incubator, with only
>> Incubator PMC member votes being binding.
>> * If the vote passes, it is taken to the ASF board that meets once
>> a month. Once the Board accepts it, the project becomes an
>> official Apache project.
>> * After that it is a matter of renaming the mailing lists and
>> adjusting other infrastructure to reflect the final project
>> position at Apache.
>
> Guess we need to start working on a Graduation Proposal. Andrus,
> do you have the Cayenne proposal handy that we could use as a
> reference?
Found the Cayenne proposal here:
Section C: http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/
board_minutes_2006_12_20.txt
There's also some good info here too:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation#resolution
The first thing I noticed is that it seems the "initial members"
seems to only list the PMC people. Is that basically right?
Second, do any of our Mentors wish to stay on after graduation?
Hoping for "yes", but I know Brett has already told me he's really
overcommitted. Henri? Jason?
I'll take a stab at drafting up a proposal and check it into svn or
something.
-David
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
On Mar 22, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> On Mar 22, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
>
>> Sorry for these questions, is there any extra workings we will do
>> when we
>> are graduated from the incubator ???
>
> Not really. What happens is that the project becomes fully self-
> governed, without Incubator PMC oversight. An occasional ASF Board
> Report is the only formal requirement. In fact once you are out of
> the incubator, release procedure becomes more straightforward (only
> the project PMC vote is required), as it is presumed that all IP
> compliance issues were addressed and double/triple checked while in
> Incubator.
>
>> And I want to know what we can do to be graduated from the
>> incubation ???
>
> Roughly the procedure is this (assuming OpenEJB goes TLP):
>
> * Incubation checklist must be complete: http://
> incubator.apache.org/projects/openejb.html
> * A graduation proposal in the form of a Board Resolution is
> drafted to be presented for the vote, as described below.
> * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the project community
> internally.
> * Graduation proposal is voted upon by the incubator, with only
> Incubator PMC member votes being binding.
> * If the vote passes, it is taken to the ASF board that meets once
> a month. Once the Board accepts it, the project becomes an official
> Apache project.
> * After that it is a matter of renaming the mailing lists and
> adjusting other infrastructure to reflect the final project
> position at Apache.
Guess we need to start working on a Graduation Proposal. Andrus, do
you have the Cayenne proposal handy that we could use as a reference?
Thanks for the info too!
-David
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Mar 22, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
> Sorry for these questions, is there any extra workings we will do
> when we
> are graduated from the incubator ???
Not really. What happens is that the project becomes fully self-
governed, without Incubator PMC oversight. An occasional ASF Board
Report is the only formal requirement. In fact once you are out of
the incubator, release procedure becomes more straightforward (only
the project PMC vote is required), as it is presumed that all IP
compliance issues were addressed and double/triple checked while in
Incubator.
> And I want to know what we can do to be graduated from the
> incubation ???
Roughly the procedure is this (assuming OpenEJB goes TLP):
* Incubation checklist must be complete: http://incubator.apache.org/
projects/openejb.html
* A graduation proposal in the form of a Board Resolution is drafted
to be presented for the vote, as described below.
* Graduation proposal is voted upon by the project community internally.
* Graduation proposal is voted upon by the incubator, with only
Incubator PMC member votes being binding.
* If the vote passes, it is taken to the ASF board that meets once a
month. Once the Board accepts it, the project becomes an official
Apache project.
* After that it is a matter of renaming the mailing lists and
adjusting other infrastructure to reflect the final project position
at Apache.
Andrus
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi All...
Sorry for these questions, is there any extra workings we will do when we
are graduated from the incubator ??? And I want to know what we can do to be
graduated from the incubation ???
DBlevins, Regardless of these questions, I agree with you, if it is the time
to be graduated so why waiting, but if we need more time - which I doubt it
would be the case - so we need to investigate this more.
On 3/22/07, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Over recent times, as a mentor, there's not been a whole lot to do
> > around here - things are ticking along just fine on their own - so
> > I started thinking about when it might be appropriate to graduate
> > from the incubator. The status file lists that all of the early pre-
> > requisites for graduation are complete, and with discussions about
> > putting a release together things are coming along nicely.
> >
> > Does anyone have some thoughts on a good time to consider this?
>
> I guess now is as good a time as any to consider it. If there's
> something more we can learn by being in the Incubator, great. If
> not, that's great too.
>
> Incubation for us really hasn't been any sort of burden, so I'm not
> overly concerned about "getting out".
>
> I mean, there isn't anything you have to do in the Incubator that you
> don't have to keep doing after graduation, so it's business as usual
> either way.
>
> -David
>
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
On Mar 21, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Over recent times, as a mentor, there's not been a whole lot to do
> around here - things are ticking along just fine on their own - so
> I started thinking about when it might be appropriate to graduate
> from the incubator. The status file lists that all of the early pre-
> requisites for graduation are complete, and with discussions about
> putting a release together things are coming along nicely.
>
> Does anyone have some thoughts on a good time to consider this?
I guess now is as good a time as any to consider it. If there's
something more we can learn by being in the Incubator, great. If
not, that's great too.
Incubation for us really hasn't been any sort of burden, so I'm not
overly concerned about "getting out".
I mean, there isn't anything you have to do in the Incubator that you
don't have to keep doing after graduation, so it's business as usual
either way.
-David
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Brett,
This would be really awesome. Do we have some milestones we need to pass
additionally?
I would be happy to begin discussing this now.
Jeff
Brett Porter wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Over recent times, as a mentor, there's not been a whole lot to do
> around here - things are ticking along just fine on their own - so I
> started thinking about when it might be appropriate to graduate from the
> incubator. The status file lists that all of the early pre-requisites
> for graduation are complete, and with discussions about putting a
> release together things are coming along nicely.
>
> Does anyone have some thoughts on a good time to consider this?
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
Re: Looking towards graduation
Posted by Jason Dillon <ja...@planet57.com>.
Get your capes and hats ordered now... is there going to be a
gradnight party so we can all get hammered afterwards too?
--jason
On Mar 21, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Over recent times, as a mentor, there's not been a whole lot to do
> around here - things are ticking along just fine on their own - so
> I started thinking about when it might be appropriate to graduate
> from the incubator. The status file lists that all of the early pre-
> requisites for graduation are complete, and with discussions about
> putting a release together things are coming along nicely.
>
> Does anyone have some thoughts on a good time to consider this?
>
> Cheers,
> Brett