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Posted to dev@cxf.apache.org by Sergey Beryozkin <se...@iona.com> on 2006/12/20 18:43:35 UTC
Re: WS-Context implementation
+1 to having a CXF-based WS-Context implementation...
IMHO this is one of the best specs in the WS space, simple and powerful....Few years ago I was concerned about how to write
factory-based applications in the web services world...So one option is to allocate a resource per every service which is not
acceptable for those pursuing coarser-grained approach, WS-Context would help here too...Contexts do not necessarily have to be
transaction or security-related, they do not need to belong to higher-level activities.... Something like 'orderId' is also a
context as it identifies a specific application activity, and as such it can be passed as a WS-Context header....People can still
use a familiar factory pattern in the client code but under the hood there'll be communicating with maximum 2 services....
Cheers, Sergey
>
> On 12 Oct 2006, at 20:41, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric and Mark,
>>
>> It would be a great opportunity for CXF community and Apache to
>> participate in interop testing. I wish we had a WS-Context
>> implementation in place :) either we wrote or somebody has given to us
>> to participate in the interop testing. Certainly something to add to the
>> CXF roadmap for consideration in my opinion.
>>
>> First off, dumb question, Are there any issues with CXF implementing or
>> supporting this oasis spec?
>
> No, the specifications are under a very loose IP policy: anyone can take the specifications and provide a compliant
> implementation.
>
>>
>> I will go read more about WS-Context to understand it more, but here are
>> some questions that may be worth answering.
>>
>> Are there any specs that are similar to WS-Context?
>
> No. The only thing that comes close for session management would be WS-A and the use of ReferenceParameters. But if you check out
> one of the links I sent originally, you'll see why we think this is a very bad idea.
>
>
>> Can somebody comment on how this specification relates to
>> WS-ResourceFramework?
>
> Don't get me started on WS-RF ;-) I was one of the original supporters of that effort, but it's not a good example of SOA
> principles in Web Services! It's not related to WS-Context.
>
>>
>> Is SCA planning to leverage WS-Context spec? If so, it might be worth
>> opening a dialogue with Tuscany folks, so that it is mutually beneficial
>> for both the projects.
>
> There has been talk about how you could do sessions and conversations in SCA and WS-Context has come up several times as one way
> that is recommended. The recent specifications reference WS-Context as well.
>
>>
>> How widely is this spec adopted or used in the industry? (just
>> curious...)
>
> It's referenced by WS-A, SCA and several groups within OASIS. The interoperability effort is the last stop before making it a
> standard. It's supported by Oracle, Redhat, Fujitsu, Sun and IONA, to name a few. But without the official backing of IBM and
> MSFT it's always difficult to say in the world of Web Services ;-)
>
>
>>
>> Mark, Does RedHat have any plans on opensourcing WS-Context
>> implementation?
>
> Yes. It's already open sourced in that there is an older version covered by LGPL. However, it's not in any repository yet.
>
>> Asking this question because, there is no point in creating one if reuse
>> is a possibility. I am sure CXF community would love to get one :)
>
> Understood. However, I believe the rules in Apache would preclude a dependency on any non-Apache licence code. True?
>
> Mark.
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adi
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Newcomer, Eric
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:57 PM
>>> To: cxf-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: WS-Context implementation
>>>
>>> Sorry - forgot to also mention the potential interest from SCA and/or
>>> Tuscany in the use of WS-Context for a way in which to manage
>> persistent
>>> sessions for Web services.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Newcomer, Eric
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:51 PM
>>> To: cxf-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: WS-Context implementation
>>>
>>> As co-chair of the OASIS WS-CAF committee I'd like to mention the
>>> opportunity for CXF to participate in the interop testing for the most
>>> recent version of the WS-Context specification, found on the TC page
>>> (the link in Mark's email) as part of its progression toward OASIS
>>> standard.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@jboss.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:24 AM
>>> To: cxf-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: WS-Context implementation
>>>
>>> Has anyone considered doing a WS-Context (http://www.oasis-open.org/
>>> committees/download.php/19659/WS-Context.zip) implementation for CXF?
>>> There's a pretty good write-up on it and its relationship to WS-A
>>> here
>> http://www.idealliance.org/proceedings/xml05/abstracts/paper54.HTML
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>
Re: WS-Context implementation
Posted by Dan Diephouse <da...@envoisolutions.com>.
That would be very cool... :-)
On 12/30/06, Mark Little <ma...@jboss.com> wrote:
>
> Well we have open sourced the Arjuna WS-Context implementation, which
> was used as one of the specification reference implementations for
> compliance when writing the specification. It's not in a repo yet and
> we'd like to do more work on it in bringing it up to date: the
> specification changed a bit in the latter few months. Let me check.
> Maybe we can donate it ;-) I'd like to see WS-Context used more
> widely too.
>
> Mark.
>
>
> On 20 Dec 2006, at 17:43, Sergey Beryozkin wrote:
>
> > +1 to having a CXF-based WS-Context implementation...
> >
> > IMHO this is one of the best specs in the WS space, simple and
> > powerful....Few years ago I was concerned about how to write
> > factory-based applications in the web services world...So one
> > option is to allocate a resource per every service which is not
> > acceptable for those pursuing coarser-grained approach, WS-Context
> > would help here too...Contexts do not necessarily have to be
> > transaction or security-related, they do not need to belong to
> > higher-level activities.... Something like 'orderId' is also a
> > context as it identifies a specific application activity, and as
> > such it can be passed as a WS-Context header....People can still
> > use a familiar factory pattern in the client code but under the
> > hood there'll be communicating with maximum 2 services....
> >
> > Cheers, Sergey
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On 12 Oct 2006, at 20:41, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Eric and Mark,
> >>>
> >>> It would be a great opportunity for CXF community and Apache to
> >>> participate in interop testing. I wish we had a WS-Context
> >>> implementation in place :) either we wrote or somebody has given
> >>> to us
> >>> to participate in the interop testing. Certainly something to
> >>> add to the
> >>> CXF roadmap for consideration in my opinion.
> >>>
> >>> First off, dumb question, Are there any issues with CXF
> >>> implementing or
> >>> supporting this oasis spec?
> >>
> >> No, the specifications are under a very loose IP policy: anyone
> >> can take the specifications and provide a compliant implementation.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I will go read more about WS-Context to understand it more, but
> >>> here are
> >>> some questions that may be worth answering.
> >>>
> >>> Are there any specs that are similar to WS-Context?
> >>
> >> No. The only thing that comes close for session management would
> >> be WS-A and the use of ReferenceParameters. But if you check out
> >> one of the links I sent originally, you'll see why we think this
> >> is a very bad idea.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Can somebody comment on how this specification relates to
> >>> WS-ResourceFramework?
> >>
> >> Don't get me started on WS-RF ;-) I was one of the original
> >> supporters of that effort, but it's not a good example of SOA
> >> principles in Web Services! It's not related to WS-Context.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Is SCA planning to leverage WS-Context spec? If so, it might be
> >>> worth
> >>> opening a dialogue with Tuscany folks, so that it is mutually
> >>> beneficial
> >>> for both the projects.
> >>
> >> There has been talk about how you could do sessions and
> >> conversations in SCA and WS-Context has come up several times as
> >> one way that is recommended. The recent specifications reference
> >> WS-Context as well.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> How widely is this spec adopted or used in the industry? (just
> >>> curious...)
> >>
> >> It's referenced by WS-A, SCA and several groups within OASIS. The
> >> interoperability effort is the last stop before making it a
> >> standard. It's supported by Oracle, Redhat, Fujitsu, Sun and
> >> IONA, to name a few. But without the official backing of IBM and
> >> MSFT it's always difficult to say in the world of Web Services ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Mark, Does RedHat have any plans on opensourcing WS-Context
> >>> implementation?
> >>
> >> Yes. It's already open sourced in that there is an older version
> >> covered by LGPL. However, it's not in any repository yet.
> >>
> >>> Asking this question because, there is no point in creating one
> >>> if reuse
> >>> is a possibility. I am sure CXF community would love to get one :)
> >>
> >> Understood. However, I believe the rules in Apache would preclude
> >> a dependency on any non-Apache licence code. True?
> >>
> >> Mark.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Adi
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Newcomer, Eric
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:57 PM
> >>>> To: cxf-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: RE: WS-Context implementation
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry - forgot to also mention the potential interest from SCA
> >>>> and/or
> >>>> Tuscany in the use of WS-Context for a way in which to manage
> >>> persistent
> >>>> sessions for Web services.
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Newcomer, Eric
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:51 PM
> >>>> To: cxf-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: RE: WS-Context implementation
> >>>>
> >>>> As co-chair of the OASIS WS-CAF committee I'd like to mention the
> >>>> opportunity for CXF to participate in the interop testing for
> >>>> the most
> >>>> recent version of the WS-Context specification, found on the TC
> >>>> page
> >>>> (the link in Mark's email) as part of its progression toward OASIS
> >>>> standard.
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@jboss.com]
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:24 AM
> >>>> To: cxf-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: WS-Context implementation
> >>>>
> >>>> Has anyone considered doing a WS-Context (http://www.oasis-
> >>>> open.org/
> >>>> committees/download.php/19659/WS-Context.zip) implementation for
> >>>> CXF?
> >>>> There's a pretty good write-up on it and its relationship to WS-A
> >>>> here
> >>> http://www.idealliance.org/proceedings/xml05/abstracts/paper54.HTML
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark.
> >
>
>
--
Dan Diephouse
Envoi Solutions
http://envoisolutions.com | http://netzooid.com/blog
Re: WS-Context implementation
Posted by Mark Little <ma...@jboss.com>.
Well we have open sourced the Arjuna WS-Context implementation, which
was used as one of the specification reference implementations for
compliance when writing the specification. It's not in a repo yet and
we'd like to do more work on it in bringing it up to date: the
specification changed a bit in the latter few months. Let me check.
Maybe we can donate it ;-) I'd like to see WS-Context used more
widely too.
Mark.
On 20 Dec 2006, at 17:43, Sergey Beryozkin wrote:
> +1 to having a CXF-based WS-Context implementation...
>
> IMHO this is one of the best specs in the WS space, simple and
> powerful....Few years ago I was concerned about how to write
> factory-based applications in the web services world...So one
> option is to allocate a resource per every service which is not
> acceptable for those pursuing coarser-grained approach, WS-Context
> would help here too...Contexts do not necessarily have to be
> transaction or security-related, they do not need to belong to
> higher-level activities.... Something like 'orderId' is also a
> context as it identifies a specific application activity, and as
> such it can be passed as a WS-Context header....People can still
> use a familiar factory pattern in the client code but under the
> hood there'll be communicating with maximum 2 services....
>
> Cheers, Sergey
>
>
>
>>
>> On 12 Oct 2006, at 20:41, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric and Mark,
>>>
>>> It would be a great opportunity for CXF community and Apache to
>>> participate in interop testing. I wish we had a WS-Context
>>> implementation in place :) either we wrote or somebody has given
>>> to us
>>> to participate in the interop testing. Certainly something to
>>> add to the
>>> CXF roadmap for consideration in my opinion.
>>>
>>> First off, dumb question, Are there any issues with CXF
>>> implementing or
>>> supporting this oasis spec?
>>
>> No, the specifications are under a very loose IP policy: anyone
>> can take the specifications and provide a compliant implementation.
>>
>>>
>>> I will go read more about WS-Context to understand it more, but
>>> here are
>>> some questions that may be worth answering.
>>>
>>> Are there any specs that are similar to WS-Context?
>>
>> No. The only thing that comes close for session management would
>> be WS-A and the use of ReferenceParameters. But if you check out
>> one of the links I sent originally, you'll see why we think this
>> is a very bad idea.
>>
>>
>>> Can somebody comment on how this specification relates to
>>> WS-ResourceFramework?
>>
>> Don't get me started on WS-RF ;-) I was one of the original
>> supporters of that effort, but it's not a good example of SOA
>> principles in Web Services! It's not related to WS-Context.
>>
>>>
>>> Is SCA planning to leverage WS-Context spec? If so, it might be
>>> worth
>>> opening a dialogue with Tuscany folks, so that it is mutually
>>> beneficial
>>> for both the projects.
>>
>> There has been talk about how you could do sessions and
>> conversations in SCA and WS-Context has come up several times as
>> one way that is recommended. The recent specifications reference
>> WS-Context as well.
>>
>>>
>>> How widely is this spec adopted or used in the industry? (just
>>> curious...)
>>
>> It's referenced by WS-A, SCA and several groups within OASIS. The
>> interoperability effort is the last stop before making it a
>> standard. It's supported by Oracle, Redhat, Fujitsu, Sun and
>> IONA, to name a few. But without the official backing of IBM and
>> MSFT it's always difficult to say in the world of Web Services ;-)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Mark, Does RedHat have any plans on opensourcing WS-Context
>>> implementation?
>>
>> Yes. It's already open sourced in that there is an older version
>> covered by LGPL. However, it's not in any repository yet.
>>
>>> Asking this question because, there is no point in creating one
>>> if reuse
>>> is a possibility. I am sure CXF community would love to get one :)
>>
>> Understood. However, I believe the rules in Apache would preclude
>> a dependency on any non-Apache licence code. True?
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Adi
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Newcomer, Eric
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:57 PM
>>>> To: cxf-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: RE: WS-Context implementation
>>>>
>>>> Sorry - forgot to also mention the potential interest from SCA
>>>> and/or
>>>> Tuscany in the use of WS-Context for a way in which to manage
>>> persistent
>>>> sessions for Web services.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Newcomer, Eric
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:51 PM
>>>> To: cxf-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: RE: WS-Context implementation
>>>>
>>>> As co-chair of the OASIS WS-CAF committee I'd like to mention the
>>>> opportunity for CXF to participate in the interop testing for
>>>> the most
>>>> recent version of the WS-Context specification, found on the TC
>>>> page
>>>> (the link in Mark's email) as part of its progression toward OASIS
>>>> standard.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@jboss.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:24 AM
>>>> To: cxf-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: WS-Context implementation
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone considered doing a WS-Context (http://www.oasis-
>>>> open.org/
>>>> committees/download.php/19659/WS-Context.zip) implementation for
>>>> CXF?
>>>> There's a pretty good write-up on it and its relationship to WS-A
>>>> here
>>> http://www.idealliance.org/proceedings/xml05/abstracts/paper54.HTML
>>>>
>>>> Mark.
>