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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Igor Costa <ig...@gmail.com> on 2012/09/17 08:17:40 UTC
[RT] Flex cross compilation for new environments
Hi there Folks
I've been digging around Vaadin source code and the way the move to support
compilation for HTML/CSS/JS with Java written only.
Their way of generating source code is pretty similar of what we have in
SystemManager(https://vaadin.com/api/com/vaadin/ui/AbstractComponent.html) and
UIComponent(https://vaadin.com/api/com/vaadin/ui/Component.html), I guess
on my view they had something in mind
to be inspired by Flash ecosystem mixing with GWT which is part of the core
of it.
Some advantages on their project is licensed under Apache, it's open-source
and their API is pretty similar like Flex and Swing.
That's lead me to one question, should we move on that direction with
Falcon or even mxmlc to generate something similar to that?
I mean how hard should be to generate text base docs.
The core way of vaadin does it's all related to css to create the UI and
javascript 1.2 to the engine of script.
We shall have to inspire in this project to take cool features it's have
and apply some of them in Flex project.
I'd love to see some feedback's here.
----------------------------
Igor Costa
Re: [RT] Flex cross compilation for new environments
Posted by Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>.
I didn't say "WE" need to I said I need to.
I'm a committer, I can work on what makes me happy. I said working on
the new compiler and creating new compile targets that have nothing to
do with the FlashPlayer is what is going to make me keep contributing
to this project.
I'm also going to implement and ASDoc program (using the new compiler)
using velocity templates for an in between option for smaller devs.
I'm sure there are plenty that will keep in the FlashPlayer direction,
just not me. AIR maybe for awhile, since I can develop mobile.
> While i appreciate all the effort.
There was no effort, Adobe Flex was what a lot of developers lives
revolved around. When Adobe pulled the carpet from us last fall it
hurt big time.
Mike
Quoting Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>:
> While i appreciate all the effort.
> What exactly is wrong with the flash player that we necessary need to go
> away from it ?
>
>
--
Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
http://www.teotigraphix.com
http://blog.teotigraphix.com
Re: [RT] Flex cross compilation for new environments
Posted by Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>.
While i appreciate all the effort.
What exactly is wrong with the flash player that we necessary need to go
away from it ?
2012/9/17 Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>
> Hi,
>
> I have been waiting for a thread like this since the compiler code was
> released. I've spent the last 3 days completely digesting as much of the
> compiler framework as I can. What I see has a very significant impact on
> the future of ActionScript and Apache Flex in my opinion.
>
> From a framework devs perspective, we have been given all the tools to do
> what we need to do to get away from the FlashPlayer.
>
> Some of you may remember me from Dec-Jan when I was as active as you can
> be in this project and it's beginning. That all changed when I realized I
> to was on a ship ready to sink during the next storm and that was Flex and
> the FlashPlayer. I spent the last 8 months reorganizing my business and
> working on Android audio things that actually keeps the family fed.
>
> What's the point Mike? I have been with the ActionScript language since
> 2001 and Flash 5, I have written in a lot of different languages and for
> some reason ActionScript is "very easy" to get the ideas out and down (I
> keep coming back to it for fun).
>
> So I come back and see what's happening here, oh Gordon joins for some
> part time work and the Falcon code is donated. Ok, this is it, when I was
> preaching the word of Apache Flex almost a year ago, this is what I was
> talking about, a new future for ActionScript and Flex, a new use case.
>
> Since I have totally abandoned the Flash Player from a dependent business
> perspective, I love the fact I can come back and work on things that are
> NOT related to the FlashPlayer.
>
> The opensource spirit at Apache is about invention, experiments and
> cooperation. I am very willing and have the time to work on a future such
> as what Igor is talking about.
>
> To see ActionScript and Flex leave it's little safe home at Adobe and the
> FlashPlayer only to find itself in the hands of new web devs experiencing
> an tight middle tier language to get things done in the new age would be
> poetic justice for my last decade and dealings with Adobe.
>
> I'll check this stuff out Igor.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi there Folks
>>
>> I've been digging around Vaadin source code and the way the move to
>> support
>> compilation for HTML/CSS/JS with Java written only.
>>
>> Their way of generating source code is pretty similar of what we have in
>> SystemManager(https://vaadin.**com/api/com/vaadin/ui/**
>> AbstractComponent.html<https://vaadin.com/api/com/vaadin/ui/AbstractComponent.html>)
>> and
>> UIComponent(https://vaadin.**com/api/com/vaadin/ui/**Component.html<https://vaadin.com/api/com/vaadin/ui/Component.html>),
>> I guess
>> on my view they had something in mind
>> to be inspired by Flash ecosystem mixing with GWT which is part of the
>> core
>> of it.
>>
>> Some advantages on their project is licensed under Apache, it's
>> open-source
>> and their API is pretty similar like Flex and Swing.
>>
>> That's lead me to one question, should we move on that direction with
>> Falcon or even mxmlc to generate something similar to that?
>> I mean how hard should be to generate text base docs.
>>
>> The core way of vaadin does it's all related to css to create the UI and
>> javascript 1.2 to the engine of script.
>>
>> We shall have to inspire in this project to take cool features it's have
>> and apply some of them in Flex project.
>>
>> I'd love to see some feedback's here.
>>
>> ----------------------------
>> Igor Costa
>>
>>
> --
> Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
> http://www.teotigraphix.com
> http://blog.teotigraphix.com
>
>
Re: [RT] Flex cross compilation for new environments
Posted by Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>.
Hi,
I have been waiting for a thread like this since the compiler code was
released. I've spent the last 3 days completely digesting as much of
the compiler framework as I can. What I see has a very significant
impact on the future of ActionScript and Apache Flex in my opinion.
From a framework devs perspective, we have been given all the tools
to do what we need to do to get away from the FlashPlayer.
Some of you may remember me from Dec-Jan when I was as active as you
can be in this project and it's beginning. That all changed when I
realized I to was on a ship ready to sink during the next storm and
that was Flex and the FlashPlayer. I spent the last 8 months
reorganizing my business and working on Android audio things that
actually keeps the family fed.
What's the point Mike? I have been with the ActionScript language
since 2001 and Flash 5, I have written in a lot of different languages
and for some reason ActionScript is "very easy" to get the ideas out
and down (I keep coming back to it for fun).
So I come back and see what's happening here, oh Gordon joins for some
part time work and the Falcon code is donated. Ok, this is it, when I
was preaching the word of Apache Flex almost a year ago, this is what
I was talking about, a new future for ActionScript and Flex, a new use
case.
Since I have totally abandoned the Flash Player from a dependent
business perspective, I love the fact I can come back and work on
things that are NOT related to the FlashPlayer.
The opensource spirit at Apache is about invention, experiments and
cooperation. I am very willing and have the time to work on a future
such as what Igor is talking about.
To see ActionScript and Flex leave it's little safe home at Adobe and
the FlashPlayer only to find itself in the hands of new web devs
experiencing an tight middle tier language to get things done in the
new age would be poetic justice for my last decade and dealings with
Adobe.
I'll check this stuff out Igor.
Mike
> Hi there Folks
>
> I've been digging around Vaadin source code and the way the move to support
> compilation for HTML/CSS/JS with Java written only.
>
> Their way of generating source code is pretty similar of what we have in
> SystemManager(https://vaadin.com/api/com/vaadin/ui/AbstractComponent.html)
> and
> UIComponent(https://vaadin.com/api/com/vaadin/ui/Component.html), I guess
> on my view they had something in mind
> to be inspired by Flash ecosystem mixing with GWT which is part of the core
> of it.
>
> Some advantages on their project is licensed under Apache, it's open-source
> and their API is pretty similar like Flex and Swing.
>
> That's lead me to one question, should we move on that direction with
> Falcon or even mxmlc to generate something similar to that?
> I mean how hard should be to generate text base docs.
>
> The core way of vaadin does it's all related to css to create the UI and
> javascript 1.2 to the engine of script.
>
> We shall have to inspire in this project to take cool features it's have
> and apply some of them in Flex project.
>
> I'd love to see some feedback's here.
>
> ----------------------------
> Igor Costa
>
--
Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
http://www.teotigraphix.com
http://blog.teotigraphix.com