Fwd: Whimsy templated resolution support

[Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>]

Responding here.  This is very nice.  Big help.  I have a couple of
questions. 

 1. What universe do you use for populating the new chair lists for
    change chair or establish TLP.  Is this like all of ldap?  The
    change chair does not seem to have many people in it. 
 2. How does access work (i.e. who gets which buttons?)

Phil

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Whimsy templated resolution support
Date: 	Tue, 3 Apr 2018 15:59:24 -0400
From: 	Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
Reply-To: 	board-chat@apache.org
To: 	board-chat@apache.org



I've just started work on this, but you can see work in progress here:

https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/

Where there previously was an 'add resolution' button, there now is a 
'add item' button.  The plan is to generalize this to adding a number of 
different types of things to the agenda, be it a new resolution, an out 
of cycle report, or perhaps a new discussion item.

I've started off implementing a chair change form.  With a few mouse 
clicks one can now post a properly formatted chair change resolution to 
the agenda.

Bugs?  Suggestions?  Join us on dev@whimsical.apache.org to discuss...

- Sam Ruby

Re: Whimsy templated resolution support

[Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>]

adding back in board-chat as I am going to suggest changing how
officers and members add items to an agenda.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My only other feedback when I first looked at it was "add item" was
> not obviously all of the possible things to add; but when I think
> about it now it makes sense.  As we add more capabilities like this,
> though, we should think more about how to effectively train PMC
> chairs to know what they can do / how to do it or continue to
> innovate the UI so that it is really obvious.  One could argue that
> most of it is obvious now.

As a follow up - I'd like to move towards deprecating people adding
items directly in SVN.

The root problem here is that the agenda is a loosely structured text
file and contains data that various tools wish to parse.

In the June agenda, there are already two items that are incorrectly
indented (but caught by the whimsy board agenda tool) and a third item
which was added but doesn't show up in the agenda at all (an
out-of-cycle incubator report - missing things like a shepherd and
even a proper attachment number.

As to your comment, I'm not always the best judge as to what is
obvious.  If we get more people to use these functions, questions
undoubtedly will come up, and resolving those questions often leads to
changes in the UI.

- Sam Ruby

P.S.  posting and editing reports, and doing things adding comments or
approvals generally don't cause problems, so I don't see a need to
discourage people doing these things directly in SVN.  It is just
adding new items that has been consistently problematic.

Re: Whimsy templated resolution support

[Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>]

On 4/16/18 3:11 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Responding here.  This is very nice.  Big help.  I have a couple of
>> questions.
>>
>>  1. What universe do you use for populating the new chair lists for
>>     change chair or establish TLP.  Is this like all of ldap?  The
>>     change chair does not seem to have many people in it.
> Change chair: members of the PMC.

Right.  That makes sense.
>
> Establish PMC: all committers.

+1
>
>>  2. How does access work (i.e. who gets which buttons?)
> All officers and members have access to these forms, and (unlike other
> forms) the buttons don't vary based on who is accessing the form.  My
> thoughts are that every ASF member and officer have access to the
> underlying svn repository and can author a resolution, and I don't see
> any reason for whimsy to further limit access.
>
> The one thing that does change is the order of PMCs in dropdowns: in
> general the order is PMCs that you are currently the chair of,
> followed by PMCs that you are a member of, followed by all the rest of
> the PMCs.  And the dropdown for new chair will default to you if you
> are a member of the PMC and not the current chair.  But these are just
> defaults.

+1

Thanks again.  This is very useful.

My only other feedback when I first looked at it was "add item" was
not obviously all of the possible things to add; but when I think
about it now it makes sense.  As we add more capabilities like this,
though, we should think more about how to effectively train PMC
chairs to know what they can do / how to do it or continue to
innovate the UI so that it is really obvious.  One could argue that
most of it is obvious now.

Phil
>
>> Phil
> - Sam Ruby
>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:        Whimsy templated resolution support
>> Date:   Tue, 3 Apr 2018 15:59:24 -0400
>> From:   Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
>> Reply-To:       board-chat@apache.org
>> To:     board-chat@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>> I've just started work on this, but you can see work in progress here:
>>
>> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/
>>
>> Where there previously was an 'add resolution' button, there now is a
>> 'add item' button.  The plan is to generalize this to adding a number of
>> different types of things to the agenda, be it a new resolution, an out
>> of cycle report, or perhaps a new discussion item.
>>
>> I've started off implementing a chair change form.  With a few mouse
>> clicks one can now post a properly formatted chair change resolution to
>> the agenda.
>>
>> Bugs?  Suggestions?  Join us on dev@whimsical.apache.org to discuss...
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>

Re: Whimsy templated resolution support

[Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>]

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Responding here.  This is very nice.  Big help.  I have a couple of
> questions.
>
>  1. What universe do you use for populating the new chair lists for
>     change chair or establish TLP.  Is this like all of ldap?  The
>     change chair does not seem to have many people in it.

Change chair: members of the PMC.

Establish PMC: all committers.

>  2. How does access work (i.e. who gets which buttons?)

All officers and members have access to these forms, and (unlike other
forms) the buttons don't vary based on who is accessing the form.  My
thoughts are that every ASF member and officer have access to the
underlying svn repository and can author a resolution, and I don't see
any reason for whimsy to further limit access.

The one thing that does change is the order of PMCs in dropdowns: in
general the order is PMCs that you are currently the chair of,
followed by PMCs that you are a member of, followed by all the rest of
the PMCs.  And the dropdown for new chair will default to you if you
are a member of the PMC and not the current chair.  But these are just
defaults.

> Phil

- Sam Ruby

> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:        Whimsy templated resolution support
> Date:   Tue, 3 Apr 2018 15:59:24 -0400
> From:   Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> Reply-To:       board-chat@apache.org
> To:     board-chat@apache.org
>
>
>
> I've just started work on this, but you can see work in progress here:
>
> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/
>
> Where there previously was an 'add resolution' button, there now is a
> 'add item' button.  The plan is to generalize this to adding a number of
> different types of things to the agenda, be it a new resolution, an out
> of cycle report, or perhaps a new discussion item.
>
> I've started off implementing a chair change form.  With a few mouse
> clicks one can now post a properly formatted chair change resolution to
> the agenda.
>
> Bugs?  Suggestions?  Join us on dev@whimsical.apache.org to discuss...
>
> - Sam Ruby
>