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When is an iCLA needed?
Hi,
Someone asked about this - in brief, from the ASF's point of view an
iCLA [1] is only required for committers, once they get elected. See
also [2] and [3].
Apart from that I fully agree with this quote from Sam Ruby from [4]:
> ...CLAs are encouraged for all significant contributions, where it is up
> to the project in question to determine significance. It is entirely
> OK for different projects to have different criteria here.
>
> In all other cases, section 5 of the Apache License, Version 2.0 applies:
>
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html#contributions
So I think the NetBeans PMC should clarify the requirements for when
an iCLA is required or desired, and document them, at
http://netbeans.apache.org/participate/index.html probably.
-Bertrand
[1] https://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.pdf
[2] https://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
[3] https://apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
[4] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/2be07bb021e7499f82ce37291359d8d33b8fa9132e579b58fbeb6cb7@1329398243@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
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Re: When is an iCLA needed?
Posted by Mark Phipps <ma...@sucfin.com>.
Likewise, I think I have contributed comparatively very little so far
but I am happy to sign the ICLA and will send it immediately.
Thanks to all,
Mark
On 16/05/2019 19:09, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Awesome! Pete, you’re an absolute validation of everything we’re doing here.
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 19:42, Pete Whelpton <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure the handful of bug fixes I've submitted is significant -
>> especially compared to huge amount of work contributed by others over the
>> years ;)
>>
>> But I'm more than happy to sign an iCLA - I'll send one off to ASF
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Thu, 16 May 2019, 18:13 Geertjan Wielenga, <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I think Mark Phipps and Pete Whelpton have committed quite some code
>> and/or
>>> have PRs that are significant -- would be great if they're provide iCLAs,
>>> i.e., how do we want to approach this, just ask them, hope they see this,
>>> etc?
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 5:08 PM Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Would it be possible to at make sure when PR created by non commiter
>> is
>>>> created that this page has been read
>>>> https://netbeans.apache.org/participate/submit-pr.html ?
>>>> This may give idea to contributor that he may sign iCLA by themselves
>> and
>>>> start they journey in Apache.
>>>> This because you may only come to Apache NetBeans via github.
>>>>
>>>> Idea of criteria for iCLA request
>>>> -- mandatory for api changer ?
>>>> -- full tutorial page writing ?
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>>>> Envoyé : jeudi 16 mai 2019 16:16
>>>> À : dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
>>>> Objet : Re: When is an iCLA needed?
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 3:47 PM Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> When I talk to colleagues about NetBeans contribution they say: „But
>>>>> I’m not a Apache comitter.“ And some of them don’t want to sign such
>> a
>>>>> „contract“. And I say: „You don’t need to be one, just fork it, make
>> a
>>>> PR and that’s get reviewed“...
>>>>
>>>> That is correct. What's need is a clear intention to contribute, and
>>>> forking + PR does that.
>>>>
>>>> As I said from the ASF's point of view the iCLA is only required when
>> one
>>>> is elected as a committer.
>>>>
>>>> Before that, the NetBeans PMC needs to clarify when an iCLA is
>> desirable.
>>>> -Bertrand
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: When is an iCLA needed?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Awesome! Pete, you’re an absolute validation of everything we’re doing here.
Gj
On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 19:42, Pete Whelpton <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure the handful of bug fixes I've submitted is significant -
> especially compared to huge amount of work contributed by others over the
> years ;)
>
> But I'm more than happy to sign an iCLA - I'll send one off to ASF
> tomorrow.
>
> All the best,
>
> Pete
>
> On Thu, 16 May 2019, 18:13 Geertjan Wielenga, <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I think Mark Phipps and Pete Whelpton have committed quite some code
> and/or
> > have PRs that are significant -- would be great if they're provide iCLAs,
> > i.e., how do we want to approach this, just ask them, hope they see this,
> > etc?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 5:08 PM Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to at make sure when PR created by non commiter
> is
> > > created that this page has been read
> > > https://netbeans.apache.org/participate/submit-pr.html ?
> > > This may give idea to contributor that he may sign iCLA by themselves
> and
> > > start they journey in Apache.
> > > This because you may only come to Apache NetBeans via github.
> > >
> > > Idea of criteria for iCLA request
> > > -- mandatory for api changer ?
> > > -- full tutorial page writing ?
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De : Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> > > Envoyé : jeudi 16 mai 2019 16:16
> > > À : dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> > > Objet : Re: When is an iCLA needed?
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 3:47 PM Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > When I talk to colleagues about NetBeans contribution they say: „But
> > > > I’m not a Apache comitter.“ And some of them don’t want to sign such
> a
> > > > „contract“. And I say: „You don’t need to be one, just fork it, make
> a
> > > PR and that’s get reviewed“...
> > >
> > > That is correct. What's need is a clear intention to contribute, and
> > > forking + PR does that.
> > >
> > > As I said from the ASF's point of view the iCLA is only required when
> one
> > > is elected as a committer.
> > >
> > > Before that, the NetBeans PMC needs to clarify when an iCLA is
> desirable.
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
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> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: When is an iCLA needed?
Posted by Pete Whelpton <pe...@gmail.com>.
I'm not sure the handful of bug fixes I've submitted is significant -
especially compared to huge amount of work contributed by others over the
years ;)
But I'm more than happy to sign an iCLA - I'll send one off to ASF tomorrow.
All the best,
Pete
On Thu, 16 May 2019, 18:13 Geertjan Wielenga, <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> I think Mark Phipps and Pete Whelpton have committed quite some code and/or
> have PRs that are significant -- would be great if they're provide iCLAs,
> i.e., how do we want to approach this, just ask them, hope they see this,
> etc?
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 5:08 PM Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Would it be possible to at make sure when PR created by non commiter is
> > created that this page has been read
> > https://netbeans.apache.org/participate/submit-pr.html ?
> > This may give idea to contributor that he may sign iCLA by themselves and
> > start they journey in Apache.
> > This because you may only come to Apache NetBeans via github.
> >
> > Idea of criteria for iCLA request
> > -- mandatory for api changer ?
> > -- full tutorial page writing ?
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> > Envoyé : jeudi 16 mai 2019 16:16
> > À : dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> > Objet : Re: When is an iCLA needed?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 3:47 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> > wrote:
> > > When I talk to colleagues about NetBeans contribution they say: „But
> > > I’m not a Apache comitter.“ And some of them don’t want to sign such a
> > > „contract“. And I say: „You don’t need to be one, just fork it, make a
> > PR and that’s get reviewed“...
> >
> > That is correct. What's need is a clear intention to contribute, and
> > forking + PR does that.
> >
> > As I said from the ASF's point of view the iCLA is only required when one
> > is elected as a committer.
> >
> > Before that, the NetBeans PMC needs to clarify when an iCLA is desirable.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> >
> > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> >
> > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: When is an iCLA needed?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
I think Mark Phipps and Pete Whelpton have committed quite some code and/or
have PRs that are significant -- would be great if they're provide iCLAs,
i.e., how do we want to approach this, just ask them, hope they see this,
etc?
Gj
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 5:08 PM Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Would it be possible to at make sure when PR created by non commiter is
> created that this page has been read
> https://netbeans.apache.org/participate/submit-pr.html ?
> This may give idea to contributor that he may sign iCLA by themselves and
> start they journey in Apache.
> This because you may only come to Apache NetBeans via github.
>
> Idea of criteria for iCLA request
> -- mandatory for api changer ?
> -- full tutorial page writing ?
>
> Eric
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> Envoyé : jeudi 16 mai 2019 16:16
> À : dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> Objet : Re: When is an iCLA needed?
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 3:47 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
> > When I talk to colleagues about NetBeans contribution they say: „But
> > I’m not a Apache comitter.“ And some of them don’t want to sign such a
> > „contract“. And I say: „You don’t need to be one, just fork it, make a
> PR and that’s get reviewed“...
>
> That is correct. What's need is a clear intention to contribute, and
> forking + PR does that.
>
> As I said from the ASF's point of view the iCLA is only required when one
> is elected as a committer.
>
> Before that, the NetBeans PMC needs to clarify when an iCLA is desirable.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
>
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> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
RE: When is an iCLA needed?
Posted by Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org>.
Hi,
Would it be possible to at make sure when PR created by non commiter is created that this page has been read
https://netbeans.apache.org/participate/submit-pr.html ?
This may give idea to contributor that he may sign iCLA by themselves and start they journey in Apache.
This because you may only come to Apache NetBeans via github.
Idea of criteria for iCLA request
-- mandatory for api changer ?
-- full tutorial page writing ?
Eric
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
Envoyé : jeudi 16 mai 2019 16:16
À : dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Objet : Re: When is an iCLA needed?
Hi,
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 3:47 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> When I talk to colleagues about NetBeans contribution they say: „But
> I’m not a Apache comitter.“ And some of them don’t want to sign such a
> „contract“. And I say: „You don’t need to be one, just fork it, make a PR and that’s get reviewed“...
That is correct. What's need is a clear intention to contribute, and forking + PR does that.
As I said from the ASF's point of view the iCLA is only required when one is elected as a committer.
Before that, the NetBeans PMC needs to clarify when an iCLA is desirable.
-Bertrand
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Re: When is an iCLA needed?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 3:47 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> When I talk to colleagues about NetBeans contribution they say: „But I’m not a Apache comitter.“
> And some of them don’t want to sign such a „contract“. And I say: „You don’t need to be one,
> just fork it, make a PR and that’s get reviewed“...
That is correct. What's need is a clear intention to contribute, and
forking + PR does that.
As I said from the ASF's point of view the iCLA is only required when
one is elected as a committer.
Before that, the NetBeans PMC needs to clarify when an iCLA is desirable.
-Bertrand
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AW: When is an iCLA needed?
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Hi,
so for my understanding, a non Apache comitter that creates a PR to fix smth or whatever, does also need one, right?
When I talk to colleagues about NetBeans contribution they say: „But I’m not a Apache comitter.“ And some of them don’t want to sign such a „contract“. And I say: „You don’t need to be one, just fork it, make a PR and that’s get reviewed“. So is this still correct or not? I can remember, we had such a discussion back in the days and it was still not clear for me when you need it and when not.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Bertrand Delacretaz
Gesendet: giovedì 16 maggio 2019 13:11
An: dev
Betreff: When is an iCLA needed?
Hi,
Someone asked about this - in brief, from the ASF's point of view an
iCLA [1] is only required for committers, once they get elected. See
also [2] and [3].
Apart from that I fully agree with this quote from Sam Ruby from [4]:
> ...CLAs are encouraged for all significant contributions, where it is up
> to the project in question to determine significance. It is entirely
> OK for different projects to have different criteria here.
>
> In all other cases, section 5 of the Apache License, Version 2.0 applies:
>
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html#contributions
So I think the NetBeans PMC should clarify the requirements for when
an iCLA is required or desired, and document them, at
http://netbeans.apache.org/participate/index.html probably.
-Bertrand
[1] https://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.pdf
[2] https://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
[3] https://apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html
[4] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/2be07bb021e7499f82ce37291359d8d33b8fa9132e579b58fbeb6cb7@1329398243@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
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