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Posted to dev@cayenne.apache.org by Tony Giaccone <tg...@gmail.com> on 2017/08/19 09:06:39 UTC
Cayenne Modeler
Started using Cayenne 4.0 Modeler, and let me just give a few thoughts.
Positives:
The UI functionally is an improvement. A number of the things that used to
annoy me are now fixed. Retention of Datasource, for example. The Modeler
feels snappier, more responsive.
Negatives:
Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same time made
the modeler so much harder to use. Muted colors, mean you lose the feedback
that could provide you with reassurance your making the right choice. Wow,
I can't say this enough. Toning down the color of elements in the UI makes
it so much harder to use. This overwhelmed all the other positives and made
the Modeler using the Modeler unpleasant. I found myself spending a lot
more time waiting for the labels that hover if you linger on an item, to be
certain I was doing the right thing. Over time I guess this will get
better, but as an overall change, I can't say how much I dislike this.
Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should rethink the
idea of toning it down so completely.
Tony Giaccone
Re: Cayenne Modeler
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
I'm still waiting on the 3D desktop...
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/05/flat_uis_designs_
> are_22_per_cent_slower_official/
> I think there will be an uprising against "modern" interfaces soon )
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017, at 11:50 AM, John Huss wrote:
> > +1
> > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:26 AM Andrus Adamchik
> > <an...@objectstyle.org>> wrote:
> >
> > > > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same
> > > > time> > made
> > > > the modeler so much harder to use.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't have such a strong feeling about this, but I still
> > > agree with> > Tony. I had the same exact experience after the upgrade.
> And
> > > even after> > months on the new Modeler, I always have to pause when
> locating the
> > > "Edit"> > button to not hit "Remove" by mistake (and vice versa).
> > >
> > > > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should
> > > > rethink> > the
> > > > idea of toning it down so completely.
> > >
> > > +1. Just like we went back and added color to the model nodes, I
> > > suggest> > we try and re-add color to the icons.
> > >
> > > Andrus
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Tony Giaccone <tg...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:> > >
> > > > Started using Cayenne 4.0 Modeler, and let me just give a few
> > > > thoughts.> > >
> > > > Positives:
> > > >
> > > > The UI functionally is an improvement. A number of the things
> > > > that used> > to
> > > > annoy me are now fixed. Retention of Datasource, for example. The
> > > > Modeler> > > feels snappier, more responsive.
> > > >
> > > > Negatives:
> > > >
> > > > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same
> > > > time> > made
> > > > the modeler so much harder to use. Muted colors, mean you lose the>
> > feedback
> > > > that could provide you with reassurance your making the right
> > > > choice.> > Wow,
> > > > I can't say this enough. Toning down the color of elements in
> > > > the UI> > makes
> > > > it so much harder to use. This overwhelmed all the other
> > > > positives and> > made
> > > > the Modeler using the Modeler unpleasant. I found myself spending
> > > > a lot> > > more time waiting for the labels that hover if you linger
> on an
> > > > item, to> > be
> > > > certain I was doing the right thing. Over time I guess this
> > > > will get> > > better, but as an overall change, I can't say how much
> I dislike
> > > > this.> > >
> > > > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should
> > > > rethink> > the
> > > > idea of toning it down so completely.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tony Giaccone
> > >
> > >
>
>
Re: Cayenne Modeler
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/05/flat_uis_designs_are_22_per_cent_slower_official/
I think there will be an uprising against "modern" interfaces soon )
Andrus
On Sat, Aug 19, 2017, at 11:50 AM, John Huss wrote:
> +1
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:26 AM Andrus Adamchik
> <an...@objectstyle.org>> wrote:
>
> > > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same
> > > time> > made
> > > the modeler so much harder to use.
> >
> >
> > I don't have such a strong feeling about this, but I still
> > agree with> > Tony. I had the same exact experience after the upgrade. And
> > even after> > months on the new Modeler, I always have to pause when locating the
> > "Edit"> > button to not hit "Remove" by mistake (and vice versa).
> >
> > > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should
> > > rethink> > the
> > > idea of toning it down so completely.
> >
> > +1. Just like we went back and added color to the model nodes, I
> > suggest> > we try and re-add color to the icons.
> >
> > Andrus
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Tony Giaccone <tg...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:> > >
> > > Started using Cayenne 4.0 Modeler, and let me just give a few
> > > thoughts.> > >
> > > Positives:
> > >
> > > The UI functionally is an improvement. A number of the things
> > > that used> > to
> > > annoy me are now fixed. Retention of Datasource, for example. The
> > > Modeler> > > feels snappier, more responsive.
> > >
> > > Negatives:
> > >
> > > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same
> > > time> > made
> > > the modeler so much harder to use. Muted colors, mean you lose the> > feedback
> > > that could provide you with reassurance your making the right
> > > choice.> > Wow,
> > > I can't say this enough. Toning down the color of elements in
> > > the UI> > makes
> > > it so much harder to use. This overwhelmed all the other
> > > positives and> > made
> > > the Modeler using the Modeler unpleasant. I found myself spending
> > > a lot> > > more time waiting for the labels that hover if you linger on an
> > > item, to> > be
> > > certain I was doing the right thing. Over time I guess this
> > > will get> > > better, but as an overall change, I can't say how much I dislike
> > > this.> > >
> > > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should
> > > rethink> > the
> > > idea of toning it down so completely.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tony Giaccone
> >
> >
Re: Cayenne Modeler
Posted by John Huss <jo...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:26 AM Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
> > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same time
> made
> > the modeler so much harder to use.
>
>
> I don't have such a strong feeling about this, but I still agree with
> Tony. I had the same exact experience after the upgrade. And even after
> months on the new Modeler, I always have to pause when locating the "Edit"
> button to not hit "Remove" by mistake (and vice versa).
>
> > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should rethink
> the
> > idea of toning it down so completely.
>
> +1. Just like we went back and added color to the model nodes, I suggest
> we try and re-add color to the icons.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> > On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Tony Giaccone <tg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Started using Cayenne 4.0 Modeler, and let me just give a few thoughts.
> >
> > Positives:
> >
> > The UI functionally is an improvement. A number of the things that used
> to
> > annoy me are now fixed. Retention of Datasource, for example. The Modeler
> > feels snappier, more responsive.
> >
> > Negatives:
> >
> > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same time
> made
> > the modeler so much harder to use. Muted colors, mean you lose the
> feedback
> > that could provide you with reassurance your making the right choice.
> Wow,
> > I can't say this enough. Toning down the color of elements in the UI
> makes
> > it so much harder to use. This overwhelmed all the other positives and
> made
> > the Modeler using the Modeler unpleasant. I found myself spending a lot
> > more time waiting for the labels that hover if you linger on an item, to
> be
> > certain I was doing the right thing. Over time I guess this will get
> > better, but as an overall change, I can't say how much I dislike this.
> >
> > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should rethink
> the
> > idea of toning it down so completely.
> >
> >
> > Tony Giaccone
>
>
Re: Cayenne Modeler
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same time made
> the modeler so much harder to use.
I don't have such a strong feeling about this, but I still agree with Tony. I had the same exact experience after the upgrade. And even after months on the new Modeler, I always have to pause when locating the "Edit" button to not hit "Remove" by mistake (and vice versa).
> Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should rethink the
> idea of toning it down so completely.
+1. Just like we went back and added color to the model nodes, I suggest we try and re-add color to the icons.
Andrus
> On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Tony Giaccone <tg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Started using Cayenne 4.0 Modeler, and let me just give a few thoughts.
>
> Positives:
>
> The UI functionally is an improvement. A number of the things that used to
> annoy me are now fixed. Retention of Datasource, for example. The Modeler
> feels snappier, more responsive.
>
> Negatives:
>
> Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same time made
> the modeler so much harder to use. Muted colors, mean you lose the feedback
> that could provide you with reassurance your making the right choice. Wow,
> I can't say this enough. Toning down the color of elements in the UI makes
> it so much harder to use. This overwhelmed all the other positives and made
> the Modeler using the Modeler unpleasant. I found myself spending a lot
> more time waiting for the labels that hover if you linger on an item, to be
> certain I was doing the right thing. Over time I guess this will get
> better, but as an overall change, I can't say how much I dislike this.
>
> Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should rethink the
> idea of toning it down so completely.
>
>
> Tony Giaccone