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[jira] Created: (TUSCANY-1784) Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing

Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing
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                 Key: TUSCANY-1784
                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784
             Project: Tuscany
          Issue Type: Bug
          Components: Website
         Environment: All
            Reporter: Simon Nash


The picture on the SCA Java Web page (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/sca-java.html) is technically inaccurate and does not communicate the main value proposition of SCA.  In SCA and Tuscany, each node is in exactly one domain (not shared between domains as shown), and domains communicate with each other using bindings (not through a node as shown).

This picture could be fixed, but even then it would not be the best showcase for the value proposition of SCA.  Something showing recursive composition and the ability to use multiple bindings would be better.  I'm attaching an example of the kind of thing that I mean.  This would need a bit more tweaking to add the multiple bindings dimension.  I can easily do this if people think it's a good idea. 

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Re: [jira] Commented: (TUSCANY-1784) Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing

Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On 9/25/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> Simon Laws wrote:
> > On 9/21/07, Simon Nash (JIRA) <tu...@ws.apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> i like the diagram on the Wiki version of the Web site a lot better.
>
> I have been browsing the Wiki. I couldn't find a diagram different from
> the diagram at:
> http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/sca-java.html
>
> Can you post a link? Thanks.
>
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> try  http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANY/SCA+Java.

The file sca-java.data/distributed-abstract.png has not been updated at
p.a.o following the confluence updates. I'll try and find out why.

Simon

Re: [jira] Commented: (TUSCANY-1784) Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing

Posted by Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org>.
[snip]
Simon Laws wrote:
> On 9/21/07, Simon Nash (JIRA) <tu...@ws.apache.org> wrote:
>   
>> i like the diagram on the Wiki version of the Web site a lot better.

I have been browsing the Wiki. I couldn't find a diagram different from 
the diagram at:
http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/sca-java.html

Can you post a link? Thanks.

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Re: [jira] Commented: (TUSCANY-1784) Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing

Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On 9/21/07, Simon Nash (JIRA) <tu...@ws.apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>     [
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#action_12529426]
>
> Simon Nash commented on TUSCANY-1784:
> -------------------------------------
>
> i like the diagram on the Wiki version of the Web site a lot better.  I
> think there are 3 aspects of Tuscany/SCA that we could illustrate here with
> diagrams:
>
> 1) The assembly model
> 2) The distribution model
> 3) The extension model for how extensions plug into the Tuscany core
>
> Ideally this page would have diagrams for all 3 of these.  I can update
> the diagram that I attached so that it is suitable for 1).  We have one for
> 2 on the Wiki and we need to figure out how to make it display on the Web
> site.  I'll have a go at working on one for 3).
>
> > Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> >                 Key: TUSCANY-1784
> >                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784
> >             Project: Tuscany
> >          Issue Type: Bug
> >          Components: Website
> >         Environment: All
> >            Reporter: Simon Nash
> >         Attachments: assembly.jpg
> >
> >
> > The picture on the SCA Java Web page (
> http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/sca-java.html) is technically
> inaccurate and does not communicate the main value proposition of SCA.  In
> SCA and Tuscany, each node is in exactly one domain (not shared between
> domains as shown), and domains communicate with each other using bindings
> (not through a node as shown).
> > This picture could be fixed, but even then it would not be the best
> showcase for the value proposition of SCA.  Something showing recursive
> composition and the ability to use multiple bindings would be better.  I'm
> attaching an example of the kind of thing that I mean.  This would need a
> bit more tweaking to add the multiple bindings dimension.  I can easily do
> this if people think it's a good idea.
>
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> Simon

Sounds like a good set to me. Covers the important themes. Without making it
too complicated I would like to adjust 2 in some way to show that the
assembly in 1 can be distributed across the domain shown in 2. Is this just
a matter of additing a component, i.e. a box with service and reference
arrows, into each node?

Simon

[jira] Commented: (TUSCANY-1784) Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing

Posted by "Simon Laws (JIRA)" <tu...@ws.apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#action_12529393 ] 

Simon Laws commented on TUSCANY-1784:
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For some reason the web site is not showing the same diagram as is in the page in the wiki

How about we  have a digram like you propose that shows what's in a node  + a diagram like the one on the (wiki version of the) site that shows how a node relates to a domain.  

I don't think the diagram you propose on it's own put across the idea that SCA is about more than tightly bound application assembly.



> Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing
> -----------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: TUSCANY-1784
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784
>             Project: Tuscany
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Website
>         Environment: All
>            Reporter: Simon Nash
>         Attachments: assembly.jpg
>
>
> The picture on the SCA Java Web page (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/sca-java.html) is technically inaccurate and does not communicate the main value proposition of SCA.  In SCA and Tuscany, each node is in exactly one domain (not shared between domains as shown), and domains communicate with each other using bindings (not through a node as shown).
> This picture could be fixed, but even then it would not be the best showcase for the value proposition of SCA.  Something showing recursive composition and the ability to use multiple bindings would be better.  I'm attaching an example of the kind of thing that I mean.  This would need a bit more tweaking to add the multiple bindings dimension.  I can easily do this if people think it's a good idea. 

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[jira] Updated: (TUSCANY-1784) Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing

Posted by "Simon Nash (JIRA)" <tu...@ws.apache.org>.
     [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Simon Nash updated TUSCANY-1784:
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    Attachment: assembly.jpg

This is an example.  It would need a bit more tweaking to make it ready to put on the Web site.  I am happy to do this if people like the idea.

> Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing
> -----------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: TUSCANY-1784
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784
>             Project: Tuscany
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Website
>         Environment: All
>            Reporter: Simon Nash
>         Attachments: assembly.jpg
>
>
> The picture on the SCA Java Web page (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/sca-java.html) is technically inaccurate and does not communicate the main value proposition of SCA.  In SCA and Tuscany, each node is in exactly one domain (not shared between domains as shown), and domains communicate with each other using bindings (not through a node as shown).
> This picture could be fixed, but even then it would not be the best showcase for the value proposition of SCA.  Something showing recursive composition and the ability to use multiple bindings would be better.  I'm attaching an example of the kind of thing that I mean.  This would need a bit more tweaking to add the multiple bindings dimension.  I can easily do this if people think it's a good idea. 

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[jira] Closed: (TUSCANY-1784) Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing

Posted by "haleh mahbod (JIRA)" <tu...@ws.apache.org>.
     [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

haleh mahbod closed TUSCANY-1784.
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    Resolution: Won't Fix

Website has changed since this bug was created. This JIRA is not relevant any longer.

> Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing
> -----------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: TUSCANY-1784
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784
>             Project: Tuscany
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Website
>         Environment: All
>            Reporter: Simon Nash
>             Fix For: Java-SCA-Next
>
>         Attachments: assembly.jpg
>
>
> The picture on the SCA Java Web page (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/sca-java.html) is technically inaccurate and does not communicate the main value proposition of SCA.  In SCA and Tuscany, each node is in exactly one domain (not shared between domains as shown), and domains communicate with each other using bindings (not through a node as shown).
> This picture could be fixed, but even then it would not be the best showcase for the value proposition of SCA.  Something showing recursive composition and the ability to use multiple bindings would be better.  I'm attaching an example of the kind of thing that I mean.  This would need a bit more tweaking to add the multiple bindings dimension.  I can easily do this if people think it's a good idea. 

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[jira] Commented: (TUSCANY-1784) Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing

Posted by "Simon Nash (JIRA)" <tu...@ws.apache.org>.
    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#action_12529426 ] 

Simon Nash commented on TUSCANY-1784:
-------------------------------------

i like the diagram on the Wiki version of the Web site a lot better.  I think there are 3 aspects of Tuscany/SCA that we could illustrate here with diagrams:

1) The assembly model
2) The distribution model
3) The extension model for how extensions plug into the Tuscany core

Ideally this page would have diagrams for all 3 of these.  I can update the diagram that I attached so that it is suitable for 1).  We have one for 2 on the Wiki and we need to figure out how to make it display on the Web site.  I'll have a go at working on one for 3).

> Picture on SCA Java Web page is confusing
> -----------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: TUSCANY-1784
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1784
>             Project: Tuscany
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Website
>         Environment: All
>            Reporter: Simon Nash
>         Attachments: assembly.jpg
>
>
> The picture on the SCA Java Web page (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/sca-java.html) is technically inaccurate and does not communicate the main value proposition of SCA.  In SCA and Tuscany, each node is in exactly one domain (not shared between domains as shown), and domains communicate with each other using bindings (not through a node as shown).
> This picture could be fixed, but even then it would not be the best showcase for the value proposition of SCA.  Something showing recursive composition and the ability to use multiple bindings would be better.  I'm attaching an example of the kind of thing that I mean.  This would need a bit more tweaking to add the multiple bindings dimension.  I can easily do this if people think it's a good idea. 

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