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Posted to dev@sling.apache.org by Andreas Schaefer <sc...@me.com.INVALID> on 2020/02/05 00:19:04 UTC
[VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Hi
This is a vote to promote the sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart and sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Module. This first module is the Feature Model counterpart of the sling-org-apache-sling-starter and will create an executable JAR file. The second is the counterpart of the sling-slingstart-maven-plugin which will start and stop a Sling Instance from a Maven run and is mostly used to run Integration Tests.
Sling Quickstart:
1. Code Location: both are in the ‘sling-whiteboard’ under 'sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart` folder
2. Proposed Github Repo name (I just added feature into the name):
- sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart
3. Proposed artifact ids (group id: org.apache.sling)
- org.apache.sling.quickstart
Sling Start Feature Maven Plugin:
1. Code Location: both are in the ‘sling-whiteboard’ under ‘sling-quickstart-maven-plugin` folder
2. Proposed Github Repo names (I just added feature into the name):
- sling-quickstart-maven-plugin
3. Proposed artifact ids (group id: org.apache.sling)
- sling-quickstart-maven-plugin
I created a sample project to showcase how the quickstart and quickstart maven plugin will be used: https://github.com/schaefa/sling-fm-sample
- Andy
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Andrei Dulvac <du...@apache.org>.
+1
On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 03:21, Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> Carsten
>
> On 04.02.2020 16:19, Andreas Schaefer wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > This is a vote to promote the sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart and
> sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Module. This first module
> is the Feature Model counterpart of the sling-org-apache-sling-starter and
> will create an executable JAR file. The second is the counterpart of the
> sling-slingstart-maven-plugin which will start and stop a Sling Instance
> from a Maven run and is mostly used to run Integration Tests.
> >
> > Sling Quickstart:
> >
> > 1. Code Location: both are in the ‘sling-whiteboard’ under
> 'sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart` folder
> > 2. Proposed Github Repo name (I just added feature into the name):
> > - sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart
> > 3. Proposed artifact ids (group id: org.apache.sling)
> > - org.apache.sling.quickstart
> >
> > Sling Start Feature Maven Plugin:
> >
> > 1. Code Location: both are in the ‘sling-whiteboard’ under
> ‘sling-quickstart-maven-plugin` folder
> > 2. Proposed Github Repo names (I just added feature into the name):
> > - sling-quickstart-maven-plugin
> > 3. Proposed artifact ids (group id: org.apache.sling)
> > - sling-quickstart-maven-plugin
> >
> > I created a sample project to showcase how the quickstart and quickstart
> maven plugin will be used: https://github.com/schaefa/sling-fm-sample
> >
> > - Andy
> >
>
> --
> --
> Carsten Ziegeler
> Adobe Research Switzerland
> cziegeler@apache.org
>
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
+1
Carsten
On 04.02.2020 16:19, Andreas Schaefer wrote:
> Hi
>
> This is a vote to promote the sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart and sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Module. This first module is the Feature Model counterpart of the sling-org-apache-sling-starter and will create an executable JAR file. The second is the counterpart of the sling-slingstart-maven-plugin which will start and stop a Sling Instance from a Maven run and is mostly used to run Integration Tests.
>
> Sling Quickstart:
>
> 1. Code Location: both are in the ‘sling-whiteboard’ under 'sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart` folder
> 2. Proposed Github Repo name (I just added feature into the name):
> - sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart
> 3. Proposed artifact ids (group id: org.apache.sling)
> - org.apache.sling.quickstart
>
> Sling Start Feature Maven Plugin:
>
> 1. Code Location: both are in the ‘sling-whiteboard’ under ‘sling-quickstart-maven-plugin` folder
> 2. Proposed Github Repo names (I just added feature into the name):
> - sling-quickstart-maven-plugin
> 3. Proposed artifact ids (group id: org.apache.sling)
> - sling-quickstart-maven-plugin
>
> I created a sample project to showcase how the quickstart and quickstart maven plugin will be used: https://github.com/schaefa/sling-fm-sample
>
> - Andy
>
--
--
Carsten Ziegeler
Adobe Research Switzerland
cziegeler@apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Daniel Klco <dk...@apache.org>.
I'll also toss in a -1 for quickstart and +1 for kickstart.
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 4:00 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:55 AM Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > ...I am "voting" -0.5, as in "I don't think this is the way to go, but I
> > don't see this as a big enough problem to veto the vote"...
>
> +1 to Robert's -0.5 ;-)
>
> I would prefer a different name and I find "kickstart" slightly better
> that "quickstart" but if people are fine with it I'm not opposed.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:55 AM Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...I am "voting" -0.5, as in "I don't think this is the way to go, but I
> don't see this as a big enough problem to veto the vote"...
+1 to Robert's -0.5 ;-)
I would prefer a different name and I find "kickstart" slightly better
that "quickstart" but if people are fine with it I'm not opposed.
-Bertrand
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org>.
Hi Carsten,
On Wed, 2020-02-05 at 10:38 -0800, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Many things are named quickstart, for example bnd uses the term as
> well.
> I personally don't think that this is a problem, as the term
> "quickstart" is always used in a context, being it Sling, Adobe, bnd
> etc.
Agreed. The reason why I seconded Bertrand's point is that AEM and
Sling are quite closely tied. Hence the potential for confusion.
>
> If we think that quickstart is confusing, than I think kickstart or
> cloudstart are confusing as well.
Quickstart ties AEM and Sling together, but kickstart and cloudstart do
not.
>
> This vote thread proposes quickstart - so we should not change the
> name
> while voting. So we have two options:
> - either we continue with the proposed name and go with it unless
> someone votes -1
> - we stop the vote thread, discuss for another two weeks which name
> we
> should pick and then restart the vote thread with that name
I'm not saying to discuss for two weeks :-) but I'm also not voting
-1.
I am "voting" -0.5, as in "I don't think this is the way to go, but I
don't see this as a big enough problem to veto the vote".
Robert
>
>
> Carsten
>
> On 05.02.2020 08:15, Andreas Schaefer wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > As an motorbike driver I would suggest “kickstart” as the name
> > making it:
> >
> > - sling-kickstart
> > - sling-kickstart-maven-plugin
> >
> > Let me know if that works and I’ll adjust the Whiteboard
> >
> > - Andy
> >
> > > On Feb 5, 2020, at 7:39 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > > bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 4:32 PM Ruben Reusser <rr...@headwire.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > how about crankstart, cloudstart or jumpstart?...
> > >
> > > Crankstart was already used for a previous experimental launcher.
> > >
> > > The other ones work for me.
> > >
> > > I think we should let Andy decide on a name, considering how much
> > > work
> > > he's put into this!
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Many things are named quickstart, for example bnd uses the term as well.
I personally don't think that this is a problem, as the term
"quickstart" is always used in a context, being it Sling, Adobe, bnd etc.
If we think that quickstart is confusing, than I think kickstart or
cloudstart are confusing as well.
This vote thread proposes quickstart - so we should not change the name
while voting. So we have two options:
- either we continue with the proposed name and go with it unless
someone votes -1
- we stop the vote thread, discuss for another two weeks which name we
should pick and then restart the vote thread with that name
Carsten
On 05.02.2020 08:15, Andreas Schaefer wrote:
> Hi
>
> As an motorbike driver I would suggest “kickstart” as the name making it:
>
> - sling-kickstart
> - sling-kickstart-maven-plugin
>
> Let me know if that works and I’ll adjust the Whiteboard
>
> - Andy
>
>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 7:39 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 4:32 PM Ruben Reusser <rr...@headwire.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> how about crankstart, cloudstart or jumpstart?...
>>
>> Crankstart was already used for a previous experimental launcher.
>>
>> The other ones work for me.
>>
>> I think we should let Andy decide on a name, considering how much work
>> he's put into this!
>>
>> -Bertrand
>
--
--
Carsten Ziegeler
Adobe Research Switzerland
cziegeler@apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Andreas Schaefer <sc...@me.com.INVALID>.
Hi
As an motorbike driver I would suggest “kickstart” as the name making it:
- sling-kickstart
- sling-kickstart-maven-plugin
Let me know if that works and I’ll adjust the Whiteboard
- Andy
> On Feb 5, 2020, at 7:39 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 4:32 PM Ruben Reusser <rr...@headwire.com> wrote:
>>
>> how about crankstart, cloudstart or jumpstart?...
>
> Crankstart was already used for a previous experimental launcher.
>
> The other ones work for me.
>
> I think we should let Andy decide on a name, considering how much work
> he's put into this!
>
> -Bertrand
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 4:32 PM Ruben Reusser <rr...@headwire.com> wrote:
>
> how about crankstart, cloudstart or jumpstart?...
Crankstart was already used for a previous experimental launcher.
The other ones work for me.
I think we should let Andy decide on a name, considering how much work
he's put into this!
-Bertrand
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Ruben Reusser <rr...@headwire.com>.
how about crankstart, cloudstart or jumpstart?
On 2/5/2020 1:42 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:12 AM Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...First all all - thanks Andy for your persistence....
> Indeed, I think we owe Andy multiple beverages-of-his-choice!
>
>> ...I see some confusion potential where people would be applying AEM
>> quickstart knowledge to the Sling quickstart and vice-versa...
> Yes that's what I meant, I'm not worried about trademarks but avoiding
> possible confusing is helpful.
>
> -Bertrand
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:12 AM Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...First all all - thanks Andy for your persistence....
Indeed, I think we owe Andy multiple beverages-of-his-choice!
> ...I see some confusion potential where people would be applying AEM
> quickstart knowledge to the Sling quickstart and vice-versa...
Yes that's what I meant, I'm not worried about trademarks but avoiding
possible confusing is helpful.
-Bertrand
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Wed, 2020-02-05 at 09:54 +0100, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 1:19 AM Andreas Schaefer
> <sc...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
> > ...This is a vote to promote the sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart
> > and
> > sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Module...
First all all - thanks Andy for your persistence. This is taking quite
a long time, but I am sure that in the end we'll get to the best
solution.
>
> I'm sorry if I missed a discussion about this name change (can't see
> it in this list's archives) but I'm not sure if "quickstart" is a
> good
> component name.
>
> The Adobe product based on Sling has been using "quickstart" as the
> name of its startup jar for ages (*). I agree it's a somewhat common
> name but there's potential for confusion.
>
> If others agree that this is a problem I'd prefer a different name,
> here's my (9AM before coffee) brainstorm for names that we have IIRC
> not used in the past for this: launcher, launch, ballista, catapult,
> crossbow, bootstrap
Indeed, this raised a flag for me, but I was unable to find a better
name. Quickstart is indeed perfectly suited for my (admittedly biased)
mind. Launchpad was nice as well, but that's what we get for burning
through implementations :-)
I see some confusion potential where people would be applying AEM
quickstart knowledge to the Sling quickstart and vice-versa.
I think your list is a good start, adding some potential options as
well: quicklaunch, trebuchet, runway, blastoff, takeoff, liftoff,
kickoff, spawn, fling.
Thanks,
Robert
>
> -Bertrand
>
> (*) since my younger self wrote the first version of that actually ;-
> )
Re: [VOTE] Promote sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart /
sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Modules
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 1:19 AM Andreas Schaefer
<sc...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
> ...This is a vote to promote the sling-org-apache-sling-quickstart and
> sling-quickstart-maven-plugin to their own Sling Module...
I'm sorry if I missed a discussion about this name change (can't see
it in this list's archives) but I'm not sure if "quickstart" is a good
component name.
The Adobe product based on Sling has been using "quickstart" as the
name of its startup jar for ages (*). I agree it's a somewhat common
name but there's potential for confusion.
If others agree that this is a problem I'd prefer a different name,
here's my (9AM before coffee) brainstorm for names that we have IIRC
not used in the past for this: launcher, launch, ballista, catapult,
crossbow, bootstrap
-Bertrand
(*) since my younger self wrote the first version of that actually ;-)