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Posted to dev@myfaces.apache.org by Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com> on 2011/10/21 19:05:19 UTC
[html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Hi
It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
The site for this project is:
http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
hi ali,
@maven dependency:
we can deploy a snapshot to the (maven) snapshot-repository at any time.
@release cycle:
that won't change with tomahawk.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
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2011/10/22 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> Hi,
>
> The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>> release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
>> been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>
>
> Yes, exactly. Everyone is using maven, and even I am annoyed when I try to
> use this library in another machine for the first time, since there is no
> repo for maven to download it.
> IMHO, having release cycles for the project would be really great. I also
> know the project needs more effort, but first thing we need is feedback.
>
> we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw.
>> tomahawk-sandbox).
>
>
> If you think this way is better for the project, then IMHO it is also OK. I
> think this would be an advantage for the project if more people are going to
> participate.
> But what are the advantages of moving into sandbox?
> Or, I should ask, what are the concerns with the current way?
>
> If we clear this, we can easily decide :)
>
> Cheers,
> Ali
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @grant: +1
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this
>>> very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and
>>> vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
>>> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi leo,
>>>>
>>>> imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say
>>>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation
>>>> changed).
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> gerhard
>>>>
>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>
>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>
>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
>>>>> never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
>>>>> the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
>>>>> do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>>>>> release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
>>>>> been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
>>>>> that is enough clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> > hi ali,
>>>>> > most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that
>>>>> didn't look
>>>>> > very promising.
>>>>> > it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>>> > however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit
>>>>> the
>>>>> > option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>>> > regards,
>>>>> > gerhard
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> > JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> > Courses in English and German
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>>> >> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones
>>>>> at the
>>>>> >> moment.
>>>>> >> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress
>>>>> is
>>>>> >> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>>> >> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the
>>>>> issue
>>>>> >> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
>>>>> since I
>>>>> >> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
>>>>> everyone
>>>>> >> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
>>>>> >> experimenting with Html5.
>>>>> >> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the
>>>>> box,
>>>>> >> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>>> >> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>>>> >>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I agree.
>>>>> >> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will
>>>>> hear
>>>>> >> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>> >> Ali
>>>>> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <werner.punz@gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> +1
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Hi
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>>>> >>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
>>>>> >>>>> module.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Hi
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next
>>>>> week.
>>>>> >>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>> Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
> release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
> been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
Yes, exactly. Everyone is using maven, and even I am annoyed when I try to
use this library in another machine for the first time, since there is no
repo for maven to download it.
IMHO, having release cycles for the project would be really great. I also
know the project needs more effort, but first thing we need is feedback.
we should re-visit the option to move the components to tomahawk (btw.
> tomahawk-sandbox).
If you think this way is better for the project, then IMHO it is also OK. I
think this would be an advantage for the project if more people are going to
participate.
But what are the advantages of moving into sandbox?
Or, I should ask, what are the concerns with the current way?
If we clear this, we can easily decide :)
Cheers,
Ali
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> @grant: +1
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
> 2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>
>> I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very
>> purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote
>> on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
>> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi leo,
>>>
>>> imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say
>>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation
>>> changed).
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> Courses in English and German
>>>
>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
>>>> never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
>>>> the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
>>>> do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>>>> release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
>>>> been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
>>>> that is enough clear.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>
>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> > hi ali,
>>>> > most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that didn't
>>>> look
>>>> > very promising.
>>>> > it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>> > however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit
>>>> the
>>>> > option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>> > regards,
>>>> > gerhard
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.irian.at
>>>> >
>>>> > Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> > JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> > Courses in English and German
>>>> >
>>>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>> >> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at
>>>> the
>>>> >> moment.
>>>> >> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is
>>>> >> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>> >> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the
>>>> issue
>>>> >> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
>>>> since I
>>>> >> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
>>>> everyone
>>>> >> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
>>>> >> experimenting with Html5.
>>>> >> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the
>>>> box,
>>>> >> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>> >> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing
>>>> to
>>>> >> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>>> >>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I agree.
>>>> >> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will
>>>> hear
>>>> >> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >> Ali
>>>> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> +1
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Hi
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>>> >>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> regards,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
>>>> >>>>> module.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next
>>>> week.
>>>> >>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>> Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>
>>
>
--
My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
********************
> If you are an committer for MyFaces, and you are interested in
> maintaining the html5 subproject, speak up!
> ********************
I am a Myfaces committer and I am developing the Html5 project. I am
actively (not as active as before) working on the project.
I also stated that on voting thread.
If no one speaks up, then we don't have a reason to add it to MyFaces.
> If someone does, then let's move on and create a subproject. :-)
I think most people know the current situation that a committer is working
on the project and people don't want to declare it as a subproject because
of some concerns discussed here.
That is the origin of discussion.
Greetings,
Ali
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Well, if that's the case, I don't think we need to make this so
> complicated.
>
> ********************
> If you are an committer for MyFaces, and you are interested in
> maintaining the html5 subproject, speak up!
> ********************
>
> If no one speaks up, then we don't have a reason to add it to MyFaces.
> If someone does, then let's move on and create a subproject. :-)
>
> I don't think it was a bad idea to suggest it go into Tomahawk or
> Sandbox, but if the folks maintaining it don't think that's the best
> solution, I say let them have a standard sub-project like we've done
> with everything else. That mode of development is working, and it's a
> good fit with "those who do the work make the decisions"
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hi mike,
> >
> > i agree with you and that's the reason why i didn't suggest the
> > asf-incubator. imo we just need a "quick" community check (esp. for
> > gsoc projects) because the overall community is pretty clear.
> > all of our gsoc projects which might become a sub-project started with
> > one student and we never saw other community members working on them
> > actively (after gsoc) and the activities of all students decreased (a
> > lot) after gsoc.
> >
> > actually we already changed our approach. before starting codi we made
> > such a community check.
> > and yes - in the past we missed to do that with some other
> > sub-projects - but we learned from it.
> >
> > regards,
> > gerhard
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/11/2 Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>:
> >> I guess the question is what are you (all) trying to accomplish?
> >>
> >> If we have active committers who want to create an html5 subproject,
> >> it seems like our policy thus far is to create it.
> >>
> >> If we only have a code-dump, it should go through the incubator -- we
> >> have done this with other things which are now myfaces subprojects.
> >> If enough of the incubated project members are myfaces committers,
> >> then it would likely become a myfaces subproject. If there is no
> >> overlap, it would have to find its own place. Working out how much
> >> is "enough" and training up non-myfaces-committers would be the task
> >> of incubation.
> >>
> >> If the goal is to change our policies for new subprojects, then I
> >> don't see that incubation or apache labs is really relevant -- we're
> >> only talking about our own internal organization. And if we're
> >> changing our policies, I would hope that whatever we come up with
> >> applies to all existing projects as well as new projects. Or, in
> >> other words, we shouldn't be treating the html5 subproject any
> >> differently than we do anything else.
> >>
> >> Sandbox was a good start, but we've been having issues with getting
> >> things out of sandbox for several years now. I suspect this is why
> >> the trend recently has been to skip the sandbox and dive right in with
> >> a new subproject.
> >>
> >> While my personal preference would have been to reform the sandbox, I
> >> wasn't really doing any of the work. The folks doing the work have
> >> been making the subprojects idea succeed, so from a meritocracy point
> >> of view, I'd say that's the future, until something else better comes
> >> along.
> >>
> >> Maybe we're now at the point where some of us do want to see if we can
> >> come up with something better. Like I said, I personally think our
> >> explosion of subprojects is disorganized and confusing. But if
> >> that's our goal, let's say so, and apply it to everything. In the
> >> meantime, my opinion is that if we have html5 committers, we allow the
> >> html5 committers to have a subproject and move forward with a release.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> @matthias:
> >>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
> >>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>> gerhard
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> >>>
> >>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>
> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>> Courses in English and German
> >>>
> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >>>> that's stupid :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
> >>>>
> >>>> -M
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make
> releases.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from Android
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <
> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on
> innovative,
> >>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about
> fitting in an
> >>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community
> check"
> >>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
> >>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
> >>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
> >>>>>> > future experiments ?!
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > -M
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> Hi,
> >>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
> >>>>>> >> Greetings,
> >>>>>> >> Ali
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Hi,
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be
> part of
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> >>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
> >>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
> >>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
> >>>>>> >>> somewhere
> >>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
> >>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for
> releases and
> >>>>>> >>> the
> >>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
> >>>>>> >>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> >>> Ali
> >>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de>
> >>>>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf
> subproject
> >>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront
> before
> >>>>>> >>>> importing.
> >>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects
> developed
> >>>>>> >>>> outside
> >>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots
> of
> >>>>>> >>>> paperwork
> >>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>>>> >>>> strub
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
> >>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> >>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that
> something
> >>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the
> community,
> >>>>>> >>>> > we can
> >>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every
> year. imo
> >>>>>> >>>> > it's
> >>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and
> we don't
> >>>>>> >>>> > have the
> >>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >regards,
> >>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not
> be part
> >>>>>> >>>> >> of
> >>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But
> before
> >>>>>> >>>> >> a
> >>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
> >>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
> >>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5
> support.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that
> we
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support
> themselfs?
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever)
> calendar
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure
> html5
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the
> sandbox is
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the
> sandbox
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own
> sub-project. i
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp.
> because the
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those
> artifact
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the
> chance to
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "...
> software that
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse.
> ...".
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <
> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial
> import.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I
> am the
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week,
> so the
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't
> enough
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every
> browser
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old
> browsers
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this
> area and I
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
> should do
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the
> project, more
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
> should do
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss
> the
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of
> myfaces
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
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> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>> >>>> >
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> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> --
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> >>>>>> >>
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> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
Well, if that's the case, I don't think we need to make this so complicated.
********************
If you are an committer for MyFaces, and you are interested in
maintaining the html5 subproject, speak up!
********************
If no one speaks up, then we don't have a reason to add it to MyFaces.
If someone does, then let's move on and create a subproject. :-)
I don't think it was a bad idea to suggest it go into Tomahawk or
Sandbox, but if the folks maintaining it don't think that's the best
solution, I say let them have a standard sub-project like we've done
with everything else. That mode of development is working, and it's a
good fit with "those who do the work make the decisions"
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Gerhard Petracek
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi mike,
>
> i agree with you and that's the reason why i didn't suggest the
> asf-incubator. imo we just need a "quick" community check (esp. for
> gsoc projects) because the overall community is pretty clear.
> all of our gsoc projects which might become a sub-project started with
> one student and we never saw other community members working on them
> actively (after gsoc) and the activities of all students decreased (a
> lot) after gsoc.
>
> actually we already changed our approach. before starting codi we made
> such a community check.
> and yes - in the past we missed to do that with some other
> sub-projects - but we learned from it.
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
> 2011/11/2 Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>:
>> I guess the question is what are you (all) trying to accomplish?
>>
>> If we have active committers who want to create an html5 subproject,
>> it seems like our policy thus far is to create it.
>>
>> If we only have a code-dump, it should go through the incubator -- we
>> have done this with other things which are now myfaces subprojects.
>> If enough of the incubated project members are myfaces committers,
>> then it would likely become a myfaces subproject. If there is no
>> overlap, it would have to find its own place. Working out how much
>> is "enough" and training up non-myfaces-committers would be the task
>> of incubation.
>>
>> If the goal is to change our policies for new subprojects, then I
>> don't see that incubation or apache labs is really relevant -- we're
>> only talking about our own internal organization. And if we're
>> changing our policies, I would hope that whatever we come up with
>> applies to all existing projects as well as new projects. Or, in
>> other words, we shouldn't be treating the html5 subproject any
>> differently than we do anything else.
>>
>> Sandbox was a good start, but we've been having issues with getting
>> things out of sandbox for several years now. I suspect this is why
>> the trend recently has been to skip the sandbox and dive right in with
>> a new subproject.
>>
>> While my personal preference would have been to reform the sandbox, I
>> wasn't really doing any of the work. The folks doing the work have
>> been making the subprojects idea succeed, so from a meritocracy point
>> of view, I'd say that's the future, until something else better comes
>> along.
>>
>> Maybe we're now at the point where some of us do want to see if we can
>> come up with something better. Like I said, I personally think our
>> explosion of subprojects is disorganized and confusing. But if
>> that's our goal, let's say so, and apply it to everything. In the
>> meantime, my opinion is that if we have html5 committers, we allow the
>> html5 committers to have a subproject and move forward with a release.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> @matthias:
>>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
>>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>
>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> Courses in English and German
>>>
>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>> that's stupid :-)
>>>>
>>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>>>>
>>>> -M
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Android
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>>>>> > future experiments ?!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -M
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>>>>> >> Greetings,
>>>>>> >> Ali
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>>>>>> >>> somewhere
>>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>>>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>>>> >>> Ali
>>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>>>>> >>>> importing.
>>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>>>>>> >>>> outside
>>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>>>>>> >>>> paperwork
>>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>>> >>>> strub
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>>>>>> >>>> > we can
>>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
>>>>>> >>>> > it's
>>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
>>>>>> >>>> > have the
>>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
>>>>>> >>>> >> of
>>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
>>>>>> >>>> >> a
>>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
>>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>> >>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>>>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>
>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
hi mike,
i agree with you and that's the reason why i didn't suggest the
asf-incubator. imo we just need a "quick" community check (esp. for
gsoc projects) because the overall community is pretty clear.
all of our gsoc projects which might become a sub-project started with
one student and we never saw other community members working on them
actively (after gsoc) and the activities of all students decreased (a
lot) after gsoc.
actually we already changed our approach. before starting codi we made
such a community check.
and yes - in the past we missed to do that with some other
sub-projects - but we learned from it.
regards,
gerhard
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2011/11/2 Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>:
> I guess the question is what are you (all) trying to accomplish?
>
> If we have active committers who want to create an html5 subproject,
> it seems like our policy thus far is to create it.
>
> If we only have a code-dump, it should go through the incubator -- we
> have done this with other things which are now myfaces subprojects.
> If enough of the incubated project members are myfaces committers,
> then it would likely become a myfaces subproject. If there is no
> overlap, it would have to find its own place. Working out how much
> is "enough" and training up non-myfaces-committers would be the task
> of incubation.
>
> If the goal is to change our policies for new subprojects, then I
> don't see that incubation or apache labs is really relevant -- we're
> only talking about our own internal organization. And if we're
> changing our policies, I would hope that whatever we come up with
> applies to all existing projects as well as new projects. Or, in
> other words, we shouldn't be treating the html5 subproject any
> differently than we do anything else.
>
> Sandbox was a good start, but we've been having issues with getting
> things out of sandbox for several years now. I suspect this is why
> the trend recently has been to skip the sandbox and dive right in with
> a new subproject.
>
> While my personal preference would have been to reform the sandbox, I
> wasn't really doing any of the work. The folks doing the work have
> been making the subprojects idea succeed, so from a meritocracy point
> of view, I'd say that's the future, until something else better comes
> along.
>
> Maybe we're now at the point where some of us do want to see if we can
> come up with something better. Like I said, I personally think our
> explosion of subprojects is disorganized and confusing. But if
> that's our goal, let's say so, and apply it to everything. In the
> meantime, my opinion is that if we have html5 committers, we allow the
> html5 committers to have a subproject and move forward with a release.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> @matthias:
>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>> that's stupid :-)
>>>
>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Android
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>>>
>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>
>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>
>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>>>> > future experiments ?!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -M
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>>>> >> Greetings,
>>>>> >> Ali
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>>>>> >>> somewhere
>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>>> >>> Ali
>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>>>> >>>> importing.
>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>>>>> >>>> outside
>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>>>>> >>>> paperwork
>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>> >>>> strub
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>>>>> >>>> > we can
>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
>>>>> >>>> > it's
>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
>>>>> >>>> > have the
>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
>>>>> >>>> >> of
>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
>>>>> >>>> >> a
>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
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>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
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>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
I guess the question is what are you (all) trying to accomplish?
If we have active committers who want to create an html5 subproject,
it seems like our policy thus far is to create it.
If we only have a code-dump, it should go through the incubator -- we
have done this with other things which are now myfaces subprojects.
If enough of the incubated project members are myfaces committers,
then it would likely become a myfaces subproject. If there is no
overlap, it would have to find its own place. Working out how much
is "enough" and training up non-myfaces-committers would be the task
of incubation.
If the goal is to change our policies for new subprojects, then I
don't see that incubation or apache labs is really relevant -- we're
only talking about our own internal organization. And if we're
changing our policies, I would hope that whatever we come up with
applies to all existing projects as well as new projects. Or, in
other words, we shouldn't be treating the html5 subproject any
differently than we do anything else.
Sandbox was a good start, but we've been having issues with getting
things out of sandbox for several years now. I suspect this is why
the trend recently has been to skip the sandbox and dive right in with
a new subproject.
While my personal preference would have been to reform the sandbox, I
wasn't really doing any of the work. The folks doing the work have
been making the subprojects idea succeed, so from a meritocracy point
of view, I'd say that's the future, until something else better comes
along.
Maybe we're now at the point where some of us do want to see if we can
come up with something better. Like I said, I personally think our
explosion of subprojects is disorganized and confusing. But if
that's our goal, let's say so, and apply it to everything. In the
meantime, my opinion is that if we have html5 committers, we allow the
html5 committers to have a subproject and move forward with a release.
Regards,
Mike
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @matthias:
> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
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>
> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> that's stupid :-)
>>
>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>>
>> -M
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>>
>>> Sent from Android
>>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>>
>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>>
>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>>> itself.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> gerhard
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>
>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>
>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>>> > future experiments ?!
>>>> >
>>>> > -M
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>>> >> Greetings,
>>>> >> Ali
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>>>> >>> somewhere
>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>> >>> Ali
>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>>> >>>> importing.
>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>>>> >>>> outside
>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>>>> >>>> paperwork
>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>> >>>> strub
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>>>> >>>> > we can
>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
>>>> >>>> > it's
>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
>>>> >>>> > have the
>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
>>>> >>>> >> of
>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
>>>> >>>> >> a
>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
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>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
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>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
hi ali,
labs doesn't solve our issue. we need a community check and that isn't the
task of apache-labs.
if we find a solution for new projects in general (esp. gsoc projects), we
can handle html5-components the same way.
the community check is one goal of the apache-incubator. however, imo the
asf-incubator is difficult for such small modules and therefore i suggested
the internal incubator (or however we should call it).
regards,
gerhard
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Courses in English and German
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2011/11/7 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> Hi,
> I think we're unable to decide. If you also think so, I'd suggest moving
> project to labs.
> It is better for the project than having an indefinite status.
>
> We don't need a voting for that too right?
>
> Cheers,
> Ali
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> > <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> hi matthias,
>> >>
>> >>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>> >>
>> >> agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]).
>> >> however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started
>> >> with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project
>> >> and imo we have to continue with this approach.
>> >
>> > not everybody is happy w/ current Labs state (especially as others see
>> > Labs as a good area fo GSoC)
>>
>> but also - not sure if changes are coming (soon) :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > -M
>> >
>> >>
>> >> regards,
>> >> gerhard
>> >>
>> >> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>> >>
>> >> http://www.irian.at
>> >>
>> >> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >> Courses in English and German
>> >>
>> >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> >>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> @matthias:
>> >>>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
>> >>>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
>> >>>
>> >>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>> >>>
>> >>> However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited
>> >>> (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github
>> etc))
>> >>>
>> >>> -M
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> regards,
>> >>>> gerhard
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> >>>>> that's stupid :-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to
>> p.a.o/~asf-id)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -M
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make
>> releases.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sent from Android
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <
>> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on
>> innovative,
>> >>>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about
>> fitting in an
>> >>>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community
>> check"
>> >>>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>> >>>>>>> itself.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> gerhard
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> >>>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>> >>>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs...
>> for
>> >>>>>>> > future experiments ?!
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > -M
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >> Hi,
>> >>>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>> >>>>>>> >> Greetings,
>> >>>>>>> >> Ali
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not
>> be part of
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> >>>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>> >>>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>> >>>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>> >>>>>>> >>> somewhere
>> >>>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>> >>>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for
>> releases and
>> >>>>>>> >>> the
>> >>>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>> >>>>>>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>> >>> Ali
>> >>>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <
>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf
>> subproject
>> >>>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront
>> before
>> >>>>>>> >>>> importing.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects
>> developed
>> >>>>>>> >>>> outside
>> >>>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes
>> lots of
>> >>>>>>> >>>> paperwork
>> >>>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> strub
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that
>> something
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the
>> community,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > we can
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every
>> year. imo
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > it's
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and
>> we don't
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > have the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not
>> be part
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >> of
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release.
>> But before
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >> a
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5
>> support.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure
>> that we
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at
>> all.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support
>> themselfs?
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever)
>> calendar
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure
>> html5
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the
>> sandbox is
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the
>> sandbox
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own
>> sub-project. i
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp.
>> because the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those
>> artifact
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the
>> chance to
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and
>> later
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some
>> artifacts
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "...
>> software that
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test
>> inhouse. ...".
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <
>> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the
>> initial import.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity,
>> we
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the
>> release.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo
>> and I am the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a
>> week, so the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to
>> implement
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't
>> enough
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by
>> every browser
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old
>> browsers
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this
>> area and I
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
>> should do
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the
>> project, more
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
>> should do
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a
>> release.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss
>> the
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
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>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of
>> myfaces
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
I think we're unable to decide. If you also think so, I'd suggest moving
project to labs.
It is better for the project than having an indefinite status.
We don't need a voting for that too right?
Cheers,
Ali
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> > <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> hi matthias,
> >>
> >>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
> >>
> >> agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]).
> >> however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started
> >> with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project
> >> and imo we have to continue with this approach.
> >
> > not everybody is happy w/ current Labs state (especially as others see
> > Labs as a good area fo GSoC)
>
> but also - not sure if changes are coming (soon) :-)
>
>
>
> >
> > -M
> >
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> gerhard
> >>
> >> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> >>
> >> http://www.irian.at
> >>
> >> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >> Courses in English and German
> >>
> >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> @matthias:
> >>>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
> >>>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
> >>>
> >>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
> >>>
> >>> However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited
> >>> (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github
> etc))
> >>>
> >>> -M
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> regards,
> >>>> gerhard
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>
> >>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>
> >>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >>>>> that's stupid :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -M
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make
> releases.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from Android
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <
> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on
> innovative,
> >>>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about
> fitting in an
> >>>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community
> check"
> >>>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
> >>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >>>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
> >>>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs...
> for
> >>>>>>> > future experiments ?!
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > -M
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >> Hi,
> >>>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
> >>>>>>> >> Greetings,
> >>>>>>> >> Ali
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> Hi,
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be
> part of
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> >>>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
> >>>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
> >>>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
> >>>>>>> >>> somewhere
> >>>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
> >>>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for
> releases and
> >>>>>>> >>> the
> >>>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
> >>>>>>> >>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> >>> Ali
> >>>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de>
> >>>>>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf
> subproject
> >>>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront
> before
> >>>>>>> >>>> importing.
> >>>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects
> developed
> >>>>>>> >>>> outside
> >>>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes
> lots of
> >>>>>>> >>>> paperwork
> >>>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>>>>> >>>> strub
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> >>>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that
> something
> >>>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the
> community,
> >>>>>>> >>>> > we can
> >>>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every
> year. imo
> >>>>>>> >>>> > it's
> >>>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and
> we don't
> >>>>>>> >>>> > have the
> >>>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not
> be part
> >>>>>>> >>>> >> of
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But
> before
> >>>>>>> >>>> >> a
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5
> support.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure
> that we
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at
> all.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support
> themselfs?
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever)
> calendar
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure
> html5
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the
> sandbox is
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the
> sandbox
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own
> sub-project. i
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp.
> because the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those
> artifact
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the
> chance to
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and
> later
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "...
> software that
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test
> inhouse. ...".
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <
> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial
> import.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity,
> we
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the
> release.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I
> am the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a
> week, so the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to
> implement
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't
> enough
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every
> browser
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old
> browsers
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this
> area and I
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
> should do
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the
> project, more
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
> should do
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss
> the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
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> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of
> myfaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <gp...@apache.org>.
@mike:
that's what i'm talking about. if you check the details, you see the same
situation (only ali continued but he doesn't have a lot of time for it).
since i re-visited the situation some days before the vote was started, i
expected such a result and that was the reason for my heads-up.
imo it would be nice to keep those components, however, as mentioned before
we have to discuss it because we already see that we have a community issue
with it.
regards,
gerhard
2011/11/3 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> > <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> hi matthias,
> >>
> >>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
> >>
> >> agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]).
> >> however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started
> >> with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project
> >> and imo we have to continue with this approach.
> >
> > not everybody is happy w/ current Labs state (especially as others see
> > Labs as a good area fo GSoC)
>
> but also - not sure if changes are coming (soon) :-)
>
>
>
> >
> > -M
> >
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> gerhard
> >>
> >> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> >>
> >> http://www.irian.at
> >>
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> >> Courses in English and German
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> @matthias:
> >>>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
> >>>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
> >>>
> >>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
> >>>
> >>> However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited
> >>> (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github
etc))
> >>>
> >>> -M
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> regards,
> >>>> gerhard
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>
> >>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >>>>> that's stupid :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to
p.a.o/~asf-id)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -M
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make
releases.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from Android
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <
gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on
innovative,
> >>>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about
fitting in an
> >>>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community
check"
> >>>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
> >>>>>>> itself.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >>>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
> >>>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs...
for
> >>>>>>> > future experiments ?!
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > -M
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
wrote:
> >>>>>>> >> Hi,
> >>>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
> >>>>>>> >> Greetings,
> >>>>>>> >> Ali
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> Hi,
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not
be part of
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> >>>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
> >>>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
> >>>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
> >>>>>>> >>> somewhere
> >>>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
> >>>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for
releases and
> >>>>>>> >>> the
> >>>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
> >>>>>>> >>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> >>> Ali
> >>>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <
struberg@yahoo.de>
> >>>>>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf
subproject
> >>>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront
before
> >>>>>>> >>>> importing.
> >>>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects
developed
> >>>>>>> >>>> outside
> >>>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes
lots of
> >>>>>>> >>>> paperwork
> >>>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>>>>> >>>> strub
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> >>>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that
something
> >>>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the
community,
> >>>>>>> >>>> > we can
> >>>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every
year. imo
> >>>>>>> >>>> > it's
> >>>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and
we don't
> >>>>>>> >>>> > have the
> >>>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not
be part
> >>>>>>> >>>> >> of
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release.
But before
> >>>>>>> >>>> >> a
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5
support.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure
that we
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at
all.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support
themselfs?
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever)
calendar
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure
html5
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the
sandbox is
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the
sandbox
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own
sub-project. i
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp.
because the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those
artifact
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the
chance to
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and
later
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some
artifacts
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "...
software that
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test
inhouse. ...".
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <
gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the
initial import.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity,
we
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the
release.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo
and I am the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a
week, so the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to
implement
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't
enough
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by
every browser
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old
browsers
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this
area and I
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
should do
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the
project, more
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we
should do
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a
release.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss
the
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
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> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of
myfaces
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> hi matthias,
>>
>>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>>
>> agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]).
>> however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started
>> with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project
>> and imo we have to continue with this approach.
>
> not everybody is happy w/ current Labs state (especially as others see
> Labs as a good area fo GSoC)
but also - not sure if changes are coming (soon) :-)
>
> -M
>
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
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>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> @matthias:
>>>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
>>>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
>>>
>>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>>>
>>> However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited
>>> (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc))
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> gerhard
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>
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>>>> Courses in English and German
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>>>>
>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>>> that's stupid :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>>>>>
>>>>> -M
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Android
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>>>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>>>>>> > future experiments ?!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > -M
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>>>>>> >> Greetings,
>>>>>>> >> Ali
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>>>>>>> >>> somewhere
>>>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>>>>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> >>> Ali
>>>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>>>>>> >>>> importing.
>>>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>>>>>>> >>>> outside
>>>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>>>>>>> >>>> paperwork
>>>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>>>> >>>> strub
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>>>>>>> >>>> > we can
>>>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
>>>>>>> >>>> > it's
>>>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
>>>>>>> >>>> > have the
>>>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
>>>>>>> >>>> >> of
>>>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
>>>>>>> >>>> >> a
>>>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>> >>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
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>>>>>>> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
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>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> --
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Gerhard Petracek
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi matthias,
>
>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>
> agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]).
> however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started
> with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project
> and imo we have to continue with this approach.
not everybody is happy w/ current Labs state (especially as others see
Labs as a good area fo GSoC)
-M
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> @matthias:
>>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
>>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
>>
>> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>>
>> However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited
>> (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc))
>>
>> -M
>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>
>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> Courses in English and German
>>>
>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>> that's stupid :-)
>>>>
>>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>>>>
>>>> -M
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Android
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>>>>> > future experiments ?!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -M
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>>>>> >> Greetings,
>>>>>> >> Ali
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>>>>>> >>> somewhere
>>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>>>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>>>> >>> Ali
>>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>>>>> >>>> importing.
>>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>>>>>> >>>> outside
>>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>>>>>> >>>> paperwork
>>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>>> >>>> strub
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>>>>>> >>>> > we can
>>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
>>>>>> >>>> > it's
>>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
>>>>>> >>>> > have the
>>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
>>>>>> >>>> >> of
>>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
>>>>>> >>>> >> a
>>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
>>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>> >>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>>>> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>>>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
hi matthias,
> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
agreed - if the student is a committer (see [1]).
however, we would have the same issue afterwards. with codi we started
with a community check before adding btw. releasing a new sub-project
and imo we have to continue with this approach.
regards,
gerhard
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2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> @matthias:
>> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
>> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
>
> perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
>
> However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited
> (not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc))
>
> -M
>
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
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>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
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>>
>>
>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>> that's stupid :-)
>>>
>>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Android
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>>>
>>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>
>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>>>> > future experiments ?!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -M
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>>>> >> Greetings,
>>>>> >> Ali
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>>>>> >>> somewhere
>>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>>> >>> Ali
>>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>>>> >>>> importing.
>>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>>>>> >>>> outside
>>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>>>>> >>>> paperwork
>>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>> >>>> strub
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>>>>> >>>> > we can
>>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
>>>>> >>>> > it's
>>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
>>>>> >>>> > have the
>>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
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>>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
>>>>> >>>> >> of
>>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
>>>>> >>>> >> a
>>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
>>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
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>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
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>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> --
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Gerhard Petracek
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @matthias:
> apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
> incubator for building a community (see [1]).
perfect for new GSoC projects, IMO
However, generally Apache Labs is (unfortunately) pretty limited
(not sure I why would actually do stuff there (instead of at github etc))
-M
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> that's stupid :-)
>>
>> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>>
>> -M
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>>
>>> Sent from Android
>>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>>
>>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>>
>>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>>> itself.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> gerhard
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>
>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>
>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>>> > future experiments ?!
>>>> >
>>>> > -M
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>>> >> Greetings,
>>>> >> Ali
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>>>> >>> somewhere
>>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>>> >>> Cheers,
>>>> >>> Ali
>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>>> >>>> importing.
>>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>>>> >>>> outside
>>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>>>> >>>> paperwork
>>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>> >>>> strub
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>>>> >>>> > we can
>>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
>>>> >>>> > it's
>>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
>>>> >>>> > have the
>>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
>>>> >>>> >> of
>>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
>>>> >>>> >> a
>>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
>>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
>>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
>>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
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>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
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>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
@matthias:
apache labs are only for prototyping and the next step is e.g. the
incubator for building a community (see [1]).
regards,
gerhard
[1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
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2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> that's stupid :-)
>
> Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
>
> -M
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>>
>> Sent from Android
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> see [1] - esp.:
>>>
>>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>>
>>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>>> itself.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>>
>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> Courses in English and German
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>>> > future experiments ?!
>>> >
>>> > -M
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>>> >> Greetings,
>>> >> Ali
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>> >>>> project-ideas
>>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>>> >>> somewhere
>>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>> >>> Cheers,
>>> >>> Ali
>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>> >>>> importing.
>>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>>> >>>> outside
>>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>>> >>>> paperwork
>>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thus a +1
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>> >>>> strub
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>>> >>>> > we can
>>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
>>> >>>> > it's
>>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
>>> >>>> > have the
>>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >regards,
>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
>>> >>>> >> of
>>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
>>> >>>> >> a
>>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>Regards
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>Bernd
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
>>> >>>> >>> won't
>>> >>>> >>> promote
>>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>> >>>> >>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>> >>>> >>>> when a
>>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> }
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> ?
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>> >>>> >>>> strub
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
>>> >>>> >>>> > for
>>> >>>> >>>> > this
>>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
>>> >>>> >>>> > more
>>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
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>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
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>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>--
>>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>
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>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
that's stupid :-)
Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)
-M
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>
> Sent from Android
>
> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> see [1] - esp.:
>>
>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>
>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>> itself.
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>> > future experiments ?!
>> >
>> > -M
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>> >> Greetings,
>> >> Ali
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>> >>>>
>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> >>>> project-ideas
>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >>>
>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>> >>> somewhere
>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>> >>> the
>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Ali
>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>> >>>> importing.
>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>> >>>> outside
>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>> >>>> paperwork
>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thus a +1
>> >>>>
>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>> strub
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>> >>>> > we can
>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
>> >>>> > it's
>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
>> >>>> > have the
>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
>> >>>> >> of
>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before
>> >>>> >> a
>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>Regards
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>Bernd
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
>> >>>> >>> won't
>> >>>> >>> promote
>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>> >>>> >>> regards,
>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>> >>>> >>>> when a
>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> }
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> ?
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>> >>>> strub
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is
>> >>>> >>>> > for
>> >>>> >>>> > this
>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
>> >>>> >>>> > more
>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...".
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
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>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
Sent from Android
On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <ge...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> see [1] - esp.:
>
> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
> blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in
> an existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>
> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
> itself.
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
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>
> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
> > future experiments ?!
> >
> > -M
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
> >> Greetings,
> >> Ali
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
> >>>>
> >>>> the tomahawk project
> >>>
> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
> >>>>
> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> project-ideas
> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>
> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
> somewhere
> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
> the
> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Ali
> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
> >>>> importing.
> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
> outside
> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
> paperwork
> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
> >>>>
> >>>> Thus a +1
> >>>>
> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>> strub
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
> we can
> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo
> it's
> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
> have the
> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >regards,
> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>> >
> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
> of
> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Regards
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Bernd
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we
> won't
> >>>> >>> promote
> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
> >>>> >>> regards,
> >>>> >>> gerhard
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
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> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
> >>>> >>>> when a
> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
> >>>> >>>> aaaa
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> } else{
> >>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> }
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> ?
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
> >>>> >>>> rendering,
> >>>> >>>> isn't?
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>> >>>> strub
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >regards,
> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for
> >>>> >>>> > this
> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox
> more
> >>>> >>>> > often and
> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide
> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts
> "after" a
> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that
> has
> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I
> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the
> only
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement
> already
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser
> and
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers
> out
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I
> am
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
> an
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do
> an
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<gerhard.petracek@gmail.com
> >:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the
> future
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
> html5
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>--
> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
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> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
see [1] - esp.:
>Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative, blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
-> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
itself.
regards,
gerhard
[1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
> Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
> future experiments ?!
>
> -M
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>> Greetings,
>> Ali
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>>
>>>> the tomahawk project
>>>
>>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>>
>>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
>>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>
>>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
>>> else, I am also ok with it.
>>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
>>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ali
>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>>
>>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>>> importing.
>>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
>>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
>>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>>
>>>> Thus a +1
>>>>
>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >________________________________
>>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can
>>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
>>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the
>>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >regards,
>>>> >gerhard
>>>> >
>>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>> >
>>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>> >
>>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>>> >
>>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
>>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Regards
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Bernd
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
>>>> >>> promote
>>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>>> >>> regards,
>>>> >>> gerhard
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>>> >>>> when a
>>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>>> >>>> aaaa
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> } else{
>>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> }
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> ?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>>> >>>> rendering,
>>>> >>>> isn't?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>>> >>>> strub
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >regards,
>>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for
>>>> >>>> > this
>>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
>>>> >>>> > often and
>>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide
>>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has
>>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I
>>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should
>>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>--
>>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
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>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
future experiments ?!
-M
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi,
> So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
> Greetings,
> Ali
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>>
>>> the tomahawk project
>>
>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>>>
>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>
>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
>> else, I am also ok with it.
>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>> Cheers,
>> Ali
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>>
>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>>> importing.
>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>>
>>> Thus a +1
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >________________________________
>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can
>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the
>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >regards,
>>> >gerhard
>>> >
>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>> >
>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >Courses in English and German
>>> >
>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>>> >
>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>> >>
>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>>> >>
>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>> >>
>>> >>Regards
>>> >>
>>> >>Bernd
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
>>> >>> promote
>>> >>> incompatible components.
>>> >>> regards,
>>> >>> gerhard
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>>> >>>> when a
>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> if (html5){
>>> >>>> aaaa
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> } else{
>>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> }
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>>> >>>> rendering,
>>> >>>> isn't?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>>> >>>> strub
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >________________________________
>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >regards,
>>> >>>> >gerhard
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for
>>> >>>> > this
>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
>>> >>>> > often and
>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>>> >>>> >>> situation
>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact
>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide
>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has
>>> >>>> >>>> just
>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I
>>> >>>> >>>> think
>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import.
>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should
>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only
>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already
>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and
>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts
>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out
>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am
>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>--
>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>
>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>
--
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Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
Greetings,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>
> the tomahawk project
>
> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>
> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>
> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>
> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
> else, I am also ok with it.
> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>
> Cheers,
> Ali
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>
>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>> importing.
>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>
>> Thus a +1
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >
>> >
>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>> doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can
>> discuss the correct place for it.
>> >
>> >
>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
>> the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have
>> the resources/community to maintain them.
>> >
>> >
>> >regards,
>> >gerhard
>> >
>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >
>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >Courses in English and German
>> >
>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>> >
>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>> >>
>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>> >>the tomahawk project.
>> >>
>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>> >>
>> >>Regards
>> >>
>> >>Bernd
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
>> promote
>> >>> incompatible components.
>> >>> regards,
>> >>> gerhard
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>
>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>
>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>> when a
>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> if (html5){
>> >>>> aaaa
>> >>>>
>> >>>> } else{
>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>> >>>>
>> >>>> }
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>> rendering,
>> >>>> isn't?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>> strub
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for
>> this
>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
>> often and
>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>> >don't< say
>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>> situation
>> >>>> >>> changed).
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>regards,
>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>Hi
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>> know if
>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide
>> what to
>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has
>> just
>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I
>> think
>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that
>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should
>> re-visit
>> >>>> >>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only
>> ones
>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>> progress
>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already
>> in the
>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>> feedback,
>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and
>> not
>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts
>> who are
>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out
>> of the
>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am
>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
>> alpha
>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>> people
>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
>> alpha
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future
>> of this
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5
>> next
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>--
>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project
I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
> (esp. for gsoc projects).
Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
else, I am also ok with it.
Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
jars are deployed to maven repo.
Cheers,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>
> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would
> be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing.
> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>
> Thus a +1
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >
> >
> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
> (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't
> work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss
> the correct place for it.
> >
> >
> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
> the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the
> resources/community to maintain them.
> >
> >
> >regards,
> >gerhard
> >
> >http://www.irian.at
> >
> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >Courses in English and German
> >
> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
> >
> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
> >>
> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
> >>the tomahawk project.
> >>
> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>
> >>Bernd
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> >><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
> promote
> >>> incompatible components.
> >>> regards,
> >>> gerhard
> >>>
> >>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>
> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>> Courses in English and German
> >>>
> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>>>
> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
> >>>>
> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when
> a
> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
> >>>>
> >>>> if (html5){
> >>>> aaaa
> >>>>
> >>>> } else{
> >>>> bbbb //fallback
> >>>>
> >>>> }
> >>>>
> >>>> ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
> rendering,
> >>>> isn't?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>> strub
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >@grant: +1
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >regards,
> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this
> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
> often and
> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>hi leo,
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't<
> say
> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
> situation
> >>>> >>> changed).
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>regards,
> >>>> >>>gerhard
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>Hi
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know
> if
> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what
> to
> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has
> just
> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I
> think
> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>regards,
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that
> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should
> re-visit
> >>>> >>>>> the
> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> >>>> >>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only
> ones
> >>>> >>>>>> at the
> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
> progress
> >>>> >>>>>> is
> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in
> the
> >>>> >>>>>> issue
> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
> feedback,
> >>>> >>>>>> since I
> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and
> not
> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who
> are
> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of
> the
> >>>> >>>>>> box,
> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am
> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
> alpha
> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people
> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
> >>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
> alpha
> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of
> this
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5
> next
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> --
> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>--
> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
--
My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
including our very own little 'attic' :)
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing.
But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1
LieGrue,
strub
>________________________________
>From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>
>
>a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss the correct place for it.
>
>
>we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the resources/community to maintain them.
>
>
>regards,
>gerhard
>
>http://www.irian.at
>
>Your JSF powerhouse -
>JSF Consulting, Development and
>Courses in English and German
>
>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
>
>2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
>
>Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>>
>>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>>the tomahawk project.
>>
>>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
>>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Bernd
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>><ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote
>>> incompatible components.
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> Courses in English and German
>>>
>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>
>>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>>>
>>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>>>
>>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a
>>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>>>
>>>> if (html5){
>>>> aaaa
>>>>
>>>> } else{
>>>> bbbb //fallback
>>>>
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering,
>>>> isn't?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >________________________________
>>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>>>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >@grant: +1
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >regards,
>>>> >gerhard
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >http://www.irian.at
>>>> >
>>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >Courses in English and German
>>>> >
>>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>>>> >
>>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this
>>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and
>>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>>>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>hi leo,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say
>>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation
>>>> >>> changed).
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>regards,
>>>> >>>gerhard
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Hi
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
>>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
>>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
>>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
>>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
>>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>regards,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that
>>>> >>>>> didn't look
>>>> >>>>> very promising.
>>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit
>>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>> >>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones
>>>> >>>>>> at the
>>>> >>>>>> moment.
>>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress
>>>> >>>>>> is
>>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the
>>>> >>>>>> issue
>>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
>>>> >>>>>> since I
>>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
>>>> >>>>>> everyone
>>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
>>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the
>>>> >>>>>> box,
>>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am
>>>> >>>>>> willing to
>>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people
>>>> >>>>>> will hear
>>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>> >>>>>> Ali
>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> +1
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
>>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>--
>>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
(esp. for gsoc projects).
we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't
work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss
the correct place for it.
we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the
wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the
resources/community to maintain them.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>
> Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>
> Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
> the tomahawk project.
>
> I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
> beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>
> Regards
>
> Bernd
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
> > imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
> promote
> > incompatible components.
> > regards,
> > gerhard
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>
> >> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
> >>
> >> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
> >>
> >> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
> >> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a
> >> non-html5 browser is detected,
> >> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
> >>
> >> if (html5){
> >> aaaa
> >>
> >> } else{
> >> bbbb //fallback
> >>
> >> }
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering,
> >> isn't?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >>
> >> >________________________________
> >> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >@grant: +1
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >regards,
> >> >gerhard
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >http://www.irian.at
> >> >
> >> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >> >Courses in English and German
> >> >
> >> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this
> >> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
> often and
> >> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>hi leo,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't<
> say
> >> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
> situation
> >> >>> changed).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>regards,
> >> >>>gerhard
> >> >>>
> >> >>>http://www.irian.at
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >> >>>Courses in English and German
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Hi
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
> >> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
> >> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what
> to
> >> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
> >> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
> >> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
> >> >>>>that is enough clear.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>regards,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >> >>>>> hi ali,
> >> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that
> >> >>>>> didn't look
> >> >>>>> very promising.
> >> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
> >> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should
> re-visit
> >> >>>>> the
> >> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> >> >>>>> regards,
> >> >>>>> gerhard
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >> >>>>> Courses in English and German
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Hi,
> >> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
> >> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only
> ones
> >> >>>>>> at the
> >> >>>>>> moment.
> >> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
> progress
> >> >>>>>> is
> >> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
> >> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in
> the
> >> >>>>>> issue
> >> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
> >> >>>>>> since I
> >> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
> >> >>>>>> everyone
> >> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who
> are
> >> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
> >> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of
> the
> >> >>>>>> box,
> >> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
> >> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am
> >> >>>>>> willing to
> >> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
> >> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I agree.
> >> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people
> >> >>>>>> will hear
> >> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
> >> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >> >>>>>> Ali
> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
> >> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> +1
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
> alpha
> >> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> regards,
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of
> this
> >> >>>>>>>>> module.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next
> >> >>>>>>>>>> week.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>--
> >> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
> >> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>.
Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
the tomahawk project.
I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
Regards
Bernd
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote
> incompatible components.
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>
>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>>
>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>>
>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a
>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>>
>> if (html5){
>> aaaa
>>
>> } else{
>> bbbb //fallback
>>
>> }
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering,
>> isn't?
>>
>>
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >
>> >
>> >@grant: +1
>> >
>> >
>> >regards,
>> >gerhard
>> >
>> >
>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >
>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >Courses in English and German
>> >
>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this
>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and
>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>hi leo,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say
>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation
>> >>> changed).
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>regards,
>> >>>gerhard
>> >>>
>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>> >>>
>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>Courses in English and German
>> >>>
>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hi
>> >>>>
>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>
>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>> hi ali,
>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that
>> >>>>> didn't look
>> >>>>> very promising.
>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>> >>>>> regards,
>> >>>>> gerhard
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones
>> >>>>>> at the
>> >>>>>> moment.
>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress
>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the
>> >>>>>> issue
>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
>> >>>>>> since I
>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
>> >>>>>> everyone
>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the
>> >>>>>> box,
>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am
>> >>>>>> willing to
>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I agree.
>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people
>> >>>>>> will hear
>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>> Ali
>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>> >>>>>> <we...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> +1
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next
>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote
incompatible components.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>
> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>
> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a
> non-html5 browser is detected,
> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>
> if (html5){
> aaaa
>
> } else{
> bbbb //fallback
>
> }
>
> ?
>
> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering,
> isn't?
>
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
> >To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >
> >
> >@grant: +1
> >
> >
> >regards,
> >gerhard
> >
> >
> >http://www.irian.at
> >
> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >Courses in English and German
> >
> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
> >
> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very
> purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote
> on components that are ready to "graduate".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>hi leo,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say
> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation
> changed).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>regards,
> >>>gerhard
> >>>
> >>>http://www.irian.at
> >>>
> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>Courses in English and German
> >>>
> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>Hi
> >>>>
> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
> >>>>that is enough clear.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>
> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>> hi ali,
> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that
> didn't look
> >>>>> very promising.
> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit
> the
> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> >>>>> regards,
> >>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones
> at the
> >>>>>> moment.
> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress
> is
> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the
> issue
> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
> since I
> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
> everyone
> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the
> box,
> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing
> to
> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I agree.
> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will
> hear
> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Ali
> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <werner.punz@gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
> >>>>>>>>> module.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next
> week.
> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
+1 for moving it to tomahawk.
One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a non-html5 browser is detected,
or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
if (html5){
aaaa
} else{
bbbb //fallback
}
?
Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering, isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
>________________________________
>From: Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>
>To: MyFaces Development <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>
>
>@grant: +1
>
>
>regards,
>gerhard
>
>
>http://www.irian.at
>
>Your JSF powerhouse -
>JSF Consulting, Development and
>Courses in English and German
>
>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
>
>2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
>
>I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>hi leo,
>>>
>>>
>>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed).
>>>
>>>
>>>regards,
>>>gerhard
>>>
>>>http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>Courses in English and German
>>>
>>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>Hi
>>>>
>>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
>>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
>>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
>>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
>>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
>>>>that is enough clear.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>regards,
>>>>
>>>>Leonardo Uribe
>>>>
>>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> hi ali,
>>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that didn't look
>>>>> very promising.
>>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the
>>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>
>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>
>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the
>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is
>>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue
>>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I
>>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone
>>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
>>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box,
>>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to
>>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear
>>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ali
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
>>>>>>>>> module.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
>>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
@grant: +1
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>
> I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very
> purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote
> on components that are ready to "graduate".
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi leo,
>>
>> imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say -1.
>> my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed).
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
>>> never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
>>> the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
>>> do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>>> release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
>>> been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
>>> that is enough clear.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>
>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>> > hi ali,
>>> > most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that didn't
>>> look
>>> > very promising.
>>> > it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>>> > however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit
>>> the
>>> > option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>>> > regards,
>>> > gerhard
>>> >
>>> > http://www.irian.at
>>> >
>>> > Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> > JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> > Courses in English and German
>>> >
>>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>>> >> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at
>>> the
>>> >> moment.
>>> >> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is
>>> >> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>>> >> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the
>>> issue
>>> >> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback,
>>> since I
>>> >> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
>>> everyone
>>> >> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
>>> >> experimenting with Html5.
>>> >> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the
>>> box,
>>> >> but it is really hard to implement.
>>> >> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing
>>> to
>>> >> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>> >>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>> >>
>>> >> I agree.
>>> >> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will
>>> hear
>>> >> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Ali
>>> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> +1
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hi
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>> >>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> regards,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
>>> >>>>> module.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> regards,
>>> >>>>> gerhard
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next
>>> week.
>>> >>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> regards,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
> Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>.
I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this very
purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often and vote
on components that are ready to "graduate".
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi leo,
>
> imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say -1.
> my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed).
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
>> never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
>> the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
>> do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>> release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
>> been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
>> that is enough clear.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Leonardo Uribe
>>
>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
>> > hi ali,
>> > most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that didn't
>> look
>> > very promising.
>> > it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>> > however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the
>> > option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>> > regards,
>> > gerhard
>> >
>> > http://www.irian.at
>> >
>> > Your JSF powerhouse -
>> > JSF Consulting, Development and
>> > Courses in English and German
>> >
>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>> >> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>> >>
>> >> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at
>> the
>> >> moment.
>> >> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is
>> >> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>> >> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the
>> issue
>> >> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since
>> I
>> >> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
>> everyone
>> >> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
>> >> experimenting with Html5.
>> >> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box,
>> >> but it is really hard to implement.
>> >> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to
>> >> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>> >>>
>> >>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>> >>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>
>> >> I agree.
>> >> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will
>> hear
>> >> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Ali
>> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> +1
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>> >>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
>> >>>>> module.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> regards,
>> >>>>> gerhard
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
>> >>>>>> The site for this project is:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> regards,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
--
Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
hi leo,
imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say -1.
my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation changed).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
> Hi
>
> The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
> never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
> the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
> do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
> release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
> been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
> that is enough clear.
>
> regards,
>
> Leonardo Uribe
>
> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
> > hi ali,
> > most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that didn't
> look
> > very promising.
> > it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
> > however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the
> > option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> > regards,
> > gerhard
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
> >> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
> >>
> >> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at
> the
> >> moment.
> >> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is
> >> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
> >> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue
> >> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since
> I
> >> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not
> everyone
> >> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
> >> experimenting with Html5.
> >> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box,
> >> but it is really hard to implement.
> >> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to
> >> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
> >>>
> >>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
> >>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>
> >> I agree.
> >> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will
> hear
> >> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Ali
> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi
> >>>>
> >>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
> >>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
> >>>>
> >>>> regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>
> >>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
> >>>>> module.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> regards,
> >>>>> gerhard
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
> >>>>>> The site for this project is:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>.
Hi
The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if
the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to
do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just
been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think
that is enough clear.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
> hi ali,
> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that didn't look
> very promising.
> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the
> option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>>
>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the
>> moment.
>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is
>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue
>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I
>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone
>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
>> experimenting with Html5.
>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box,
>> but it is really hard to implement.
>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to
>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>>>
>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>
>> I agree.
>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear
>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>> Cheers,
>> Ali
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>
>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this
>>>>> module.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>>
>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>>
>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>
>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
hi ali,
most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that didn't look
very promising.
it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit the
option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> Hi,
>
> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>
> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>
>
> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the
> moment.
> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow.
> I think it will be like this for a while.
>
> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue
> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I
> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone
> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
> experimenting with Html5.
> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but
> it is really hard to implement.
>
> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to
> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>
> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>
>
> I agree.
> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear
> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>
> Cheers,
> Ali
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>>
>> Hi
>>>
>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>
>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>
>>> >:
>>>
>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> gerhard
>>>>
>>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>>
>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>>> Courses in English and German
>>>>
>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
>>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/**html5/ <http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/>
>>>>>
>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones at the
moment.
I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress is slow.
I think it will be like this for a while.
We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the issue
tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, since I
guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not everyone
can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are
experimenting with Html5.
What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the box, but
it is really hard to implement.
About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am willing to
work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
I agree.
I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people will hear
about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
Cheers,
Ali
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>
> Hi
>>
>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Leonardo Uribe
>>
>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>
>> >:
>>
>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> Courses in English and German
>>>
>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
>>>> The site for this project is:
>>>>
>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/**html5/ <http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/>
>>>>
>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
--
My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
+1
Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
> Hi
>
> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>
> regards,
>
> Leonardo Uribe
>
> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<ge...@gmail.com>:
>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module.
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
>>> The site for this project is:
>>>
>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>>
>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Leonardo Uribe
>>
>>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>.
Hi
That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha
release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
regards,
Leonardo Uribe
2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>:
> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module.
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
>> The site for this project is:
>>
>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>>
>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Leonardo Uribe
>
>
Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this module.
regards,
gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>
> Hi
>
> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next week.
> The site for this project is:
>
> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>
> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>
> regards,
>
> Leonardo Uribe
>