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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com> on 2020/10/15 17:52:00 UTC
Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Hi.
The VSCode extension source is in and ready for testing and bugreports.
Instructions to build your own version are here:
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/java/java.lsp.server/vscode/README.md
Sváťa, Dušan, Martin, and others are now ready to bugfix a bit to stabilize
the behavior. Of course, thanks everyone helping us with reviews and
bugfixes, as the fixes may be spread around almost all NetBeans codebase.
Assuming everything gets sufficiently bugfixed in the next few weeks and a
good enough version of VSCode extension is released by Laszlo in the source
form, it is then reasonable to ask: What's going to happen next?
There has already been a VSCode extension release as Jan wrote:
> FWIW, Apache NetBeans has already released the VS Code extension in the
past:
>
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202004.mbox/%3CCALd%3D3dHVyENu%2Bj5o9stvP9_o%2B6FquTdzG7Wx-s-G5-_RdVeaDw%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
>
https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/netbeans/netbeans-vscode-ext/0.0.1/apache-netbeans-java-0.0.1.vsix
Let's repeat it. Let's release a convenience binary with the extension
again. I guess one of us, mentioned above, is going to take over the build
and vote process. Is that OK?
Then, the next step is to upload the extension to [Microsoft Marketplace](
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode), so it is available to users
worldwide and other extensions can depend on it. How do we handle this kind
of upload?
I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
great, let's use them.
If not, let me suggest (a heretic) approach. My organization has an
account. We have already uploaded some extensions in there (like
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=oracle-labs-graalvm.graalvm).
Just the uploader would be "oracle-labs" not "jlahoda" (current name in the
extension). This touches Apache copyright, so I am not sure if that is OK,
but from my perspective it would be just a redistribution of the same
source (we can probably modify our scripts to take the name from a property
- e.g. `-Dauthor=oracle-labs` would build the extension ready for upload
from the released sources).
Last, but not least. What shall be the name of the extension? I've heard
following suggestion:
> *After a while I incline towards*
*:*
*> - NetBeans Java Language Server*
*> - NetBeans Language Server*
*> 2nd is more language neutral for the future extensions of this server.*
Clearly, even if the extension gets uploaded by a non-Apache party, I'd
like to keep the NetBeans trademark in there. Good promotion of the work
Apache community provides! I hope we find a way to do so. Assuming there is
a way, what name the Apache community wants to give to this `.vsix`
convenience binary?
Thank you for your support and opinions.
-jt
Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>.
čt 15. 10. 2020 v 20:21 odesílatel Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
napsal:
> If it’s released by Apache, so why not Apache NetBeans Language Server.
>
True. Let's use this name consistently:
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2480/commits/bb591a879ad742cc8d0cedcf977eda9a89746279
Thank you, Geertjan.
-jt
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 19:52, Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> > The VSCode extension source is in and ready for testing and bugreports.
> > Instructions to build your own version are here:
> >
> >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/java/java.lsp.server/vscode/README.md
> >
> > Sváťa, Dušan, Martin, and others are now ready to bugfix a bit to
> stabilize
> > the behavior. Of course, thanks everyone helping us with reviews and
> > bugfixes, as the fixes may be spread around almost all NetBeans codebase.
> >
> > Assuming everything gets sufficiently bugfixed in the next few weeks and
> a
> > good enough version of VSCode extension is released by Laszlo in the
> source
> > form, it is then reasonable to ask: What's going to happen next?
> >
> > There has already been a VSCode extension release as Jan wrote:
> > > FWIW, Apache NetBeans has already released the VS Code extension in the
> > past:
> > >
> >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202004.mbox/%3CCALd%3D3dHVyENu%2Bj5o9stvP9_o%2B6FquTdzG7Wx-s-G5-_RdVeaDw%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/netbeans/netbeans-vscode-ext/0.0.1/apache-netbeans-java-0.0.1.vsix
> >
> > Let's repeat it. Let's release a convenience binary with the extension
> > again. I guess one of us, mentioned above, is going to take over the
> build
> > and vote process. Is that OK?
> >
> > Then, the next step is to upload the extension to [Microsoft
> Marketplace](
> > https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode), so it is available to
> users
> > worldwide and other extensions can depend on it. How do we handle this
> kind
> > of upload?
> >
> > I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
> > Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
> > great, let's use them.
> >
> > If not, let me suggest (a heretic) approach. My organization has an
> > account. We have already uploaded some extensions in there (like
> >
> >
> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=oracle-labs-graalvm.graalvm
> > ).
> > Just the uploader would be "oracle-labs" not "jlahoda" (current name in
> the
> > extension). This touches Apache copyright, so I am not sure if that is
> OK,
> > but from my perspective it would be just a redistribution of the same
> > source (we can probably modify our scripts to take the name from a
> property
> > - e.g. `-Dauthor=oracle-labs` would build the extension ready for upload
> > from the released sources).
> >
> > Last, but not least. What shall be the name of the extension? I've heard
> > following suggestion:
> >
> > > *After a while I incline towards*
> > *:*
> > *> - NetBeans Java Language Server*
> > *> - NetBeans Language Server*
> > *> 2nd is more language neutral for the future extensions of this
> server.*
> >
> > Clearly, even if the extension gets uploaded by a non-Apache party, I'd
> > like to keep the NetBeans trademark in there. Good promotion of the work
> > Apache community provides! I hope we find a way to do so. Assuming there
> is
> > a way, what name the Apache community wants to give to this `.vsix`
> > convenience binary?
> >
> > Thank you for your support and opinions.
> > -jt
> >
>
Re: Snap package by Apache NetBeans✓ (Verified account)
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
Well,
Yes, that verified publisher is a really valuable asset. I might open a
new distribution or join to some. So do not worry.
On 10/23/20 9:14 AM, John Neffenger wrote:
> On 10/21/20 10:01 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
>> I just came up with the warning as I'm seriously thinking about
>> somehow moving the Snap out of Apache distribution as there is no
>> legal way to me to package everything into one working out of the box
>> package.
>
> For those of us on Ubuntu, the Snap package is one of the best things
> that happened to NetBeans recently. I'm very grateful to Laszlo for
> creating it.
>
> I'm conservative in what I install on my development machine from the
> Snap Store, though, especially when the package requires "classic"
> mode to disable the security confinement. That means I'll only install
> Snap packages from a verified account.
>
> The "verified" marker shows up as a check mark next to the publisher's
> name in the listing:
>
> $ snap info netbeans
> name: netbeans
> summary: Apache NetBeans IDE
> publisher: Apache NetBeans✓
> ...
>
> I personally trust anything Laszlo builds, but that's only because I'm
> on this mailing list and in his Telegram group. I understand the
> frustration of users getting NetBeans without a JDK, but I think it's
> important to keep at least one package in the Snap store from a
> well-known, trusted, and verified publisher.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
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Snap package by Apache NetBeans✓ (Verified account)
Posted by John Neffenger <jo...@status6.com>.
On 10/21/20 10:01 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> I just came up with the warning as I'm seriously thinking about somehow
> moving the Snap out of Apache distribution as there is no legal way to
> me to package everything into one working out of the box package.
For those of us on Ubuntu, the Snap package is one of the best things
that happened to NetBeans recently. I'm very grateful to Laszlo for
creating it.
I'm conservative in what I install on my development machine from the
Snap Store, though, especially when the package requires "classic" mode
to disable the security confinement. That means I'll only install Snap
packages from a verified account.
The "verified" marker shows up as a check mark next to the publisher's
name in the listing:
$ snap info netbeans
name: netbeans
summary: Apache NetBeans IDE
publisher: Apache NetBeans✓
...
I personally trust anything Laszlo builds, but that's only because I'm
on this mailing list and in his Telegram group. I understand the
frustration of users getting NetBeans without a JDK, but I think it's
important to keep at least one package in the Snap store from a
well-known, trusted, and verified publisher.
Thanks,
John
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Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
On 10/21/20 9:10 PM, Jaroslav Tulach wrote:
> Dne středa 21. října 2020 20:37:16 CEST, Laszlo Kishalmi napsal(a):
>> That would be fine, I just have one concern: Apache Licensing Policy.
> David Nalley has joined the discussion and indicated Apache maintains accounts
> for iOS and Android publishing, btw.
>
>> And that could be a hard one to crack. So if we ever decide to ship
>> something non Apache Compliant stuff, like nb-javac or something else
>> with the VSCode Extension, it won't be really possible under the Apache
>> umbrella.
> Right, it is clear that Apache isn't going to distribute nb-javac. Let me
> describe the solution from a technical perspective. The PR
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2447
>
> introduces concept of extensibility: "the launcher ... scans all activated
> extensions and collects clusters from (their) `nbcode` subdirectory. As such
> it is possible for various VSCode extensions to contribute modules into the
> same backend and enhance its functionality."
>
> Thus the solution to nb-javac problem is: An independent entity shall release
> and upload to the Marketplace an extension with `nbcode` subdirectory
> providing the nb-javac modules. When users install "Apache NetBeans Language
> Server" extension as well as the extension providing nb-javac, the extensions
> find each other and start to co-operate.
>
>> So I'd propose not to tie the Publisher with Apache. It could
>> be an independent publisher group who can be eventually be member of the
>> Apache NetBeans community and also use the "built on Apache NetBeans"
>> rather than "built by Apache NetBeans". Though the later one sounds
>> better, but has many restrictions.
> This is also perfectly valid option, although I slightly prefer release of the
> "Apache NetBeans Language Server" extension by ASF, if we can make it in time
> (see David Nalley email).
>
> Best regards.
> -jt
Well, if you can it pull off with the extension dependency, then
definitely, "Apache NetBeans Language Server" extension by ASF, would
sound the best. I just came up with the warning as I'm seriously
thinking about somehow moving the Snap out of Apache distribution as
there is no legal way to me to package everything into one working out
of the box package.
BTW, do we have time constraints releasing this one? If everything goes
smooth we will have a voted source code release on 15th of Nov. The
binary installers+maven usually takes one more week. I would not
necessarily bind the VSCode release with the binaries and announcements.
It just depends on weather we would like to have one big bang or two
blasts in about 1-3 weeks apart.
>> On 10/21/20 11:12 AM, Martin Balin wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> My name is Martin Balin (mbalin) and I worked on NetBeans for a while
>>> since 1999 till 2017. Now I'm working with Jaroslav Tulach, Dusan
>>> Balek , Jan Lahoda and others on "Apache NetBeans Language Server" a
>>> proposed name by Geertjan.
>>>
>>> I'm writing to you re releasing the extension on VSCode Marketplace.
>>>
>>> I propose to create VSCode Marketplace Publisher, called "Apache
>>> NetBeans" owned by NetBeans community.
>>>
>>> The most important aspect of publishing, except for extension itself,
>>> are the Owners of the Publisher, the people who can publish the
>>> extension and add other people. I propose to put there people from
>>> NetBeans community like Geertjan and 1-2 others with Owner privileges,
>>> but this is completely up to community to decide. I'd like to nominate
>>> Dušan Bálek (dbalek) as he has a broad experience with VSCode
>>> extension development and publishing as well.
>>>
>>> Once the Apache NetBeans Language Server extension complementary
>>> binary is published by normal Apache channels, the Owners will upload
>>> it to VSCode Marketplace.
>>>
>>> Shall I proceed to create Apache NetBeans Publisher on Marketplace?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Martin Balin
>>>
>>> ...with NetBeans since 1999
>>>
>>> On 15. 10. 20 20:20, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>> If it’s released by Apache, so why not Apache NetBeans Language Server.
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 19:52, Jaroslav Tulach
>>>> <ja...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> The VSCode extension source is in and ready for testing and bugreports.
>>>>> Instructions to build your own version are here:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/mast
>>>>> er/java/java.lsp.server/vscode/README.md__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5f
>>>>> Q4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_QuFL9yg$
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sváťa, Dušan, Martin, and others are now ready to bugfix a bit to
>>>>> stabilize
>>>>> the behavior. Of course, thanks everyone helping us with reviews and
>>>>> bugfixes, as the fixes may be spread around almost all NetBeans
>>>>> codebase.
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming everything gets sufficiently bugfixed in the next few weeks
>>>>> and a
>>>>> good enough version of VSCode extension is released by Laszlo in the
>>>>> source
>>>>> form, it is then reasonable to ask: What's going to happen next?
>>>>>
>>>>> There has already been a VSCode extension release as Jan wrote:
>>>>>> FWIW, Apache NetBeans has already released the VS Code extension in
>>>>>> the
>>>>> past:
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/net
>>>>> beans-dev/202004.mbox/*3CCALd*3D3dHVyENu*2Bj5o9stvP9_o*2B6FquTdzG7Wx-s-G
>>>>> 5-_RdVeaDw*40mail.gmail.com*3E__;JSUlJSUl!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4
>>>>> YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI9f4urS-g$
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/netbea
>>>>> ns/netbeans-vscode-ext/0.0.1/apache-netbeans-java-0.0.1.vsix__;!!GqivPVa
>>>>> 7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_uwUlArQ
>>>>> $
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's repeat it. Let's release a convenience binary with the extension
>>>>> again. I guess one of us, mentioned above, is going to take over the
>>>>> build
>>>>> and vote process. Is that OK?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, the next step is to upload the extension to [Microsoft
>>>>> Marketplace](
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode_
>>>>> _;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAY
>>>>> PjI-UzIPmnw$ ), so it is available to users
>>>>> worldwide and other extensions can depend on it. How do we handle
>>>>> this kind
>>>>> of upload?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
>>>>> Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
>>>>> great, let's use them.
>>>>>
>>>>> If not, let me suggest (a heretic) approach. My organization has an
>>>>> account. We have already uploaded some extensions in there (like
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?i
>>>>> temName=oracle-labs-graalvm.graalvm__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4Ykj
>>>>> IfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI-USXwuDA$
>>>>>
>>>>> ).
>>>>> Just the uploader would be "oracle-labs" not "jlahoda" (current name
>>>>> in the
>>>>> extension). This touches Apache copyright, so I am not sure if that
>>>>> is OK,
>>>>> but from my perspective it would be just a redistribution of the same
>>>>> source (we can probably modify our scripts to take the name from a
>>>>> property
>>>>> - e.g. `-Dauthor=oracle-labs` would build the extension ready for
>>>>> upload
>>>>> from the released sources).
>>>>>
>>>>> Last, but not least. What shall be the name of the extension? I've
>>>>> heard
>>>>>
>>>>> following suggestion:
>>>>>> *After a while I incline towards*
>>>>> *:*
>>>>> *> - NetBeans Java Language Server*
>>>>> *> - NetBeans Language Server*
>>>>> *> 2nd is more language neutral for the future extensions of this
>>>>> server.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly, even if the extension gets uploaded by a non-Apache party, I'd
>>>>> like to keep the NetBeans trademark in there. Good promotion of the
>>>>> work
>>>>> Apache community provides! I hope we find a way to do so. Assuming
>>>>> there is
>>>>> a way, what name the Apache community wants to give to this `.vsix`
>>>>> convenience binary?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your support and opinions.
>>>>> -jt
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Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>.
Dne středa 21. října 2020 20:37:16 CEST, Laszlo Kishalmi napsal(a):
> That would be fine, I just have one concern: Apache Licensing Policy.
David Nalley has joined the discussion and indicated Apache maintains accounts
for iOS and Android publishing, btw.
> And that could be a hard one to crack. So if we ever decide to ship
> something non Apache Compliant stuff, like nb-javac or something else
> with the VSCode Extension, it won't be really possible under the Apache
> umbrella.
Right, it is clear that Apache isn't going to distribute nb-javac. Let me
describe the solution from a technical perspective. The PR
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2447
introduces concept of extensibility: "the launcher ... scans all activated
extensions and collects clusters from (their) `nbcode` subdirectory. As such
it is possible for various VSCode extensions to contribute modules into the
same backend and enhance its functionality."
Thus the solution to nb-javac problem is: An independent entity shall release
and upload to the Marketplace an extension with `nbcode` subdirectory
providing the nb-javac modules. When users install "Apache NetBeans Language
Server" extension as well as the extension providing nb-javac, the extensions
find each other and start to co-operate.
> So I'd propose not to tie the Publisher with Apache. It could
> be an independent publisher group who can be eventually be member of the
> Apache NetBeans community and also use the "built on Apache NetBeans"
> rather than "built by Apache NetBeans". Though the later one sounds
> better, but has many restrictions.
This is also perfectly valid option, although I slightly prefer release of the
"Apache NetBeans Language Server" extension by ASF, if we can make it in time
(see David Nalley email).
Best regards.
-jt
> On 10/21/20 11:12 AM, Martin Balin wrote:
> > Hello,
> > My name is Martin Balin (mbalin) and I worked on NetBeans for a while
> > since 1999 till 2017. Now I'm working with Jaroslav Tulach, Dusan
> > Balek , Jan Lahoda and others on "Apache NetBeans Language Server" a
> > proposed name by Geertjan.
> >
> > I'm writing to you re releasing the extension on VSCode Marketplace.
> >
> > I propose to create VSCode Marketplace Publisher, called "Apache
> > NetBeans" owned by NetBeans community.
> >
> > The most important aspect of publishing, except for extension itself,
> > are the Owners of the Publisher, the people who can publish the
> > extension and add other people. I propose to put there people from
> > NetBeans community like Geertjan and 1-2 others with Owner privileges,
> > but this is completely up to community to decide. I'd like to nominate
> > Dušan Bálek (dbalek) as he has a broad experience with VSCode
> > extension development and publishing as well.
> >
> > Once the Apache NetBeans Language Server extension complementary
> > binary is published by normal Apache channels, the Owners will upload
> > it to VSCode Marketplace.
> >
> > Shall I proceed to create Apache NetBeans Publisher on Marketplace?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Martin Balin
> >
> > ...with NetBeans since 1999
> >
> > On 15. 10. 20 20:20, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >> If it’s released by Apache, so why not Apache NetBeans Language Server.
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 19:52, Jaroslav Tulach
> >> <ja...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi.
> >>> The VSCode extension source is in and ready for testing and bugreports.
> >>> Instructions to build your own version are here:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/mast
> >>> er/java/java.lsp.server/vscode/README.md__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5f
> >>> Q4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_QuFL9yg$
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sváťa, Dušan, Martin, and others are now ready to bugfix a bit to
> >>> stabilize
> >>> the behavior. Of course, thanks everyone helping us with reviews and
> >>> bugfixes, as the fixes may be spread around almost all NetBeans
> >>> codebase.
> >>>
> >>> Assuming everything gets sufficiently bugfixed in the next few weeks
> >>> and a
> >>> good enough version of VSCode extension is released by Laszlo in the
> >>> source
> >>> form, it is then reasonable to ask: What's going to happen next?
> >>>
> >>> There has already been a VSCode extension release as Jan wrote:
> >>>> FWIW, Apache NetBeans has already released the VS Code extension in
> >>>> the
> >>>
> >>> past:
> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/net
> >>> beans-dev/202004.mbox/*3CCALd*3D3dHVyENu*2Bj5o9stvP9_o*2B6FquTdzG7Wx-s-G
> >>> 5-_RdVeaDw*40mail.gmail.com*3E__;JSUlJSUl!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4
> >>> YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI9f4urS-g$
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/netbea
> >>> ns/netbeans-vscode-ext/0.0.1/apache-netbeans-java-0.0.1.vsix__;!!GqivPVa
> >>> 7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_uwUlArQ
> >>> $
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Let's repeat it. Let's release a convenience binary with the extension
> >>> again. I guess one of us, mentioned above, is going to take over the
> >>> build
> >>> and vote process. Is that OK?
> >>>
> >>> Then, the next step is to upload the extension to [Microsoft
> >>> Marketplace](
> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode_
> >>> _;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAY
> >>> PjI-UzIPmnw$ ), so it is available to users
> >>> worldwide and other extensions can depend on it. How do we handle
> >>> this kind
> >>> of upload?
> >>>
> >>> I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
> >>> Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
> >>> great, let's use them.
> >>>
> >>> If not, let me suggest (a heretic) approach. My organization has an
> >>> account. We have already uploaded some extensions in there (like
> >>>
> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?i
> >>> temName=oracle-labs-graalvm.graalvm__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4Ykj
> >>> IfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI-USXwuDA$
> >>>
> >>> ).
> >>> Just the uploader would be "oracle-labs" not "jlahoda" (current name
> >>> in the
> >>> extension). This touches Apache copyright, so I am not sure if that
> >>> is OK,
> >>> but from my perspective it would be just a redistribution of the same
> >>> source (we can probably modify our scripts to take the name from a
> >>> property
> >>> - e.g. `-Dauthor=oracle-labs` would build the extension ready for
> >>> upload
> >>> from the released sources).
> >>>
> >>> Last, but not least. What shall be the name of the extension? I've
> >>> heard
> >>>
> >>> following suggestion:
> >>>> *After a while I incline towards*
> >>>
> >>> *:*
> >>> *> - NetBeans Java Language Server*
> >>> *> - NetBeans Language Server*
> >>> *> 2nd is more language neutral for the future extensions of this
> >>> server.*
> >>>
> >>> Clearly, even if the extension gets uploaded by a non-Apache party, I'd
> >>> like to keep the NetBeans trademark in there. Good promotion of the
> >>> work
> >>> Apache community provides! I hope we find a way to do so. Assuming
> >>> there is
> >>> a way, what name the Apache community wants to give to this `.vsix`
> >>> convenience binary?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your support and opinions.
> >>> -jt
> >
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Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
That would be fine, I just have one concern: Apache Licensing Policy.
And that could be a hard one to crack. So if we ever decide to ship
something non Apache Compliant stuff, like nb-javac or something else
with the VSCode Extension, it won't be really possible under the Apache
umbrella. So I'd propose not to tie the Publisher with Apache. It could
be an independent publisher group who can be eventually be member of the
Apache NetBeans community and also use the "built on Apache NetBeans"
rather than "built by Apache NetBeans". Though the later one sounds
better, but has many restrictions.
On 10/21/20 11:12 AM, Martin Balin wrote:
> Hello,
> My name is Martin Balin (mbalin) and I worked on NetBeans for a while
> since 1999 till 2017. Now I'm working with Jaroslav Tulach, Dusan
> Balek , Jan Lahoda and others on "Apache NetBeans Language Server" a
> proposed name by Geertjan.
>
> I'm writing to you re releasing the extension on VSCode Marketplace.
>
> I propose to create VSCode Marketplace Publisher, called "Apache
> NetBeans" owned by NetBeans community.
>
> The most important aspect of publishing, except for extension itself,
> are the Owners of the Publisher, the people who can publish the
> extension and add other people. I propose to put there people from
> NetBeans community like Geertjan and 1-2 others with Owner privileges,
> but this is completely up to community to decide. I'd like to nominate
> Dušan Bálek (dbalek) as he has a broad experience with VSCode
> extension development and publishing as well.
>
> Once the Apache NetBeans Language Server extension complementary
> binary is published by normal Apache channels, the Owners will upload
> it to VSCode Marketplace.
>
> Shall I proceed to create Apache NetBeans Publisher on Marketplace?
>
> Regards,
> Martin Balin
>
> ...with NetBeans since 1999
>
>
>
>
> On 15. 10. 20 20:20, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> If it’s released by Apache, so why not Apache NetBeans Language Server.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 19:52, Jaroslav Tulach
>> <ja...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>> The VSCode extension source is in and ready for testing and bugreports.
>>> Instructions to build your own version are here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/java/java.lsp.server/vscode/README.md__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_QuFL9yg$
>>>
>>>
>>> Sváťa, Dušan, Martin, and others are now ready to bugfix a bit to
>>> stabilize
>>> the behavior. Of course, thanks everyone helping us with reviews and
>>> bugfixes, as the fixes may be spread around almost all NetBeans
>>> codebase.
>>>
>>> Assuming everything gets sufficiently bugfixed in the next few weeks
>>> and a
>>> good enough version of VSCode extension is released by Laszlo in the
>>> source
>>> form, it is then reasonable to ask: What's going to happen next?
>>>
>>> There has already been a VSCode extension release as Jan wrote:
>>>> FWIW, Apache NetBeans has already released the VS Code extension in
>>>> the
>>> past:
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202004.mbox/*3CCALd*3D3dHVyENu*2Bj5o9stvP9_o*2B6FquTdzG7Wx-s-G5-_RdVeaDw*40mail.gmail.com*3E__;JSUlJSUl!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI9f4urS-g$
>>>
>>>>
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/netbeans/netbeans-vscode-ext/0.0.1/apache-netbeans-java-0.0.1.vsix__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_uwUlArQ$
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's repeat it. Let's release a convenience binary with the extension
>>> again. I guess one of us, mentioned above, is going to take over the
>>> build
>>> and vote process. Is that OK?
>>>
>>> Then, the next step is to upload the extension to [Microsoft
>>> Marketplace](
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI-UzIPmnw$
>>> ), so it is available to users
>>> worldwide and other extensions can depend on it. How do we handle
>>> this kind
>>> of upload?
>>>
>>> I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
>>> Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
>>> great, let's use them.
>>>
>>> If not, let me suggest (a heretic) approach. My organization has an
>>> account. We have already uploaded some extensions in there (like
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=oracle-labs-graalvm.graalvm__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI-USXwuDA$
>>>
>>> ).
>>> Just the uploader would be "oracle-labs" not "jlahoda" (current name
>>> in the
>>> extension). This touches Apache copyright, so I am not sure if that
>>> is OK,
>>> but from my perspective it would be just a redistribution of the same
>>> source (we can probably modify our scripts to take the name from a
>>> property
>>> - e.g. `-Dauthor=oracle-labs` would build the extension ready for
>>> upload
>>> from the released sources).
>>>
>>> Last, but not least. What shall be the name of the extension? I've
>>> heard
>>> following suggestion:
>>>
>>>> *After a while I incline towards*
>>> *:*
>>> *> - NetBeans Java Language Server*
>>> *> - NetBeans Language Server*
>>> *> 2nd is more language neutral for the future extensions of this
>>> server.*
>>>
>>> Clearly, even if the extension gets uploaded by a non-Apache party, I'd
>>> like to keep the NetBeans trademark in there. Good promotion of the
>>> work
>>> Apache community provides! I hope we find a way to do so. Assuming
>>> there is
>>> a way, what name the Apache community wants to give to this `.vsix`
>>> convenience binary?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your support and opinions.
>>> -jt
>>>
>
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Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by Martin Balin <ma...@oracle.com>.
Hello,
My name is Martin Balin (mbalin) and I worked on NetBeans for a while
since 1999 till 2017. Now I'm working with Jaroslav Tulach, Dusan Balek
, Jan Lahoda and others on "Apache NetBeans Language Server" a proposed
name by Geertjan.
I'm writing to you re releasing the extension on VSCode Marketplace.
I propose to create VSCode Marketplace Publisher, called "Apache
NetBeans" owned by NetBeans community.
The most important aspect of publishing, except for extension itself,
are the Owners of the Publisher, the people who can publish the
extension and add other people. I propose to put there people from
NetBeans community like Geertjan and 1-2 others with Owner privileges,
but this is completely up to community to decide. I'd like to nominate
Dušan Bálek (dbalek) as he has a broad experience with VSCode extension
development and publishing as well.
Once the Apache NetBeans Language Server extension complementary binary
is published by normal Apache channels, the Owners will upload it to
VSCode Marketplace.
Shall I proceed to create Apache NetBeans Publisher on Marketplace?
Regards,
Martin Balin
...with NetBeans since 1999
On 15. 10. 20 20:20, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> If it’s released by Apache, so why not Apache NetBeans Language Server.
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 19:52, Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>> The VSCode extension source is in and ready for testing and bugreports.
>> Instructions to build your own version are here:
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/java/java.lsp.server/vscode/README.md__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_QuFL9yg$
>>
>> Sváťa, Dušan, Martin, and others are now ready to bugfix a bit to stabilize
>> the behavior. Of course, thanks everyone helping us with reviews and
>> bugfixes, as the fixes may be spread around almost all NetBeans codebase.
>>
>> Assuming everything gets sufficiently bugfixed in the next few weeks and a
>> good enough version of VSCode extension is released by Laszlo in the source
>> form, it is then reasonable to ask: What's going to happen next?
>>
>> There has already been a VSCode extension release as Jan wrote:
>>> FWIW, Apache NetBeans has already released the VS Code extension in the
>> past:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202004.mbox/*3CCALd*3D3dHVyENu*2Bj5o9stvP9_o*2B6FquTdzG7Wx-s-G5-_RdVeaDw*40mail.gmail.com*3E__;JSUlJSUl!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI9f4urS-g$
>>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/netbeans/netbeans-vscode-ext/0.0.1/apache-netbeans-java-0.0.1.vsix__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_uwUlArQ$
>>
>> Let's repeat it. Let's release a convenience binary with the extension
>> again. I guess one of us, mentioned above, is going to take over the build
>> and vote process. Is that OK?
>>
>> Then, the next step is to upload the extension to [Microsoft Marketplace](
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI-UzIPmnw$ ), so it is available to users
>> worldwide and other extensions can depend on it. How do we handle this kind
>> of upload?
>>
>> I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
>> Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
>> great, let's use them.
>>
>> If not, let me suggest (a heretic) approach. My organization has an
>> account. We have already uploaded some extensions in there (like
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=oracle-labs-graalvm.graalvm__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI-USXwuDA$
>> ).
>> Just the uploader would be "oracle-labs" not "jlahoda" (current name in the
>> extension). This touches Apache copyright, so I am not sure if that is OK,
>> but from my perspective it would be just a redistribution of the same
>> source (we can probably modify our scripts to take the name from a property
>> - e.g. `-Dauthor=oracle-labs` would build the extension ready for upload
>> from the released sources).
>>
>> Last, but not least. What shall be the name of the extension? I've heard
>> following suggestion:
>>
>>> *After a while I incline towards*
>> *:*
>> *> - NetBeans Java Language Server*
>> *> - NetBeans Language Server*
>> *> 2nd is more language neutral for the future extensions of this server.*
>>
>> Clearly, even if the extension gets uploaded by a non-Apache party, I'd
>> like to keep the NetBeans trademark in there. Good promotion of the work
>> Apache community provides! I hope we find a way to do so. Assuming there is
>> a way, what name the Apache community wants to give to this `.vsix`
>> convenience binary?
>>
>> Thank you for your support and opinions.
>> -jt
>>
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Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
If it’s released by Apache, so why not Apache NetBeans Language Server.
Gj
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 19:52, Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi.
> The VSCode extension source is in and ready for testing and bugreports.
> Instructions to build your own version are here:
>
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/java/java.lsp.server/vscode/README.md
>
> Sváťa, Dušan, Martin, and others are now ready to bugfix a bit to stabilize
> the behavior. Of course, thanks everyone helping us with reviews and
> bugfixes, as the fixes may be spread around almost all NetBeans codebase.
>
> Assuming everything gets sufficiently bugfixed in the next few weeks and a
> good enough version of VSCode extension is released by Laszlo in the source
> form, it is then reasonable to ask: What's going to happen next?
>
> There has already been a VSCode extension release as Jan wrote:
> > FWIW, Apache NetBeans has already released the VS Code extension in the
> past:
> >
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202004.mbox/%3CCALd%3D3dHVyENu%2Bj5o9stvP9_o%2B6FquTdzG7Wx-s-G5-_RdVeaDw%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> >
>
> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/netbeans/netbeans-vscode-ext/0.0.1/apache-netbeans-java-0.0.1.vsix
>
> Let's repeat it. Let's release a convenience binary with the extension
> again. I guess one of us, mentioned above, is going to take over the build
> and vote process. Is that OK?
>
> Then, the next step is to upload the extension to [Microsoft Marketplace](
> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode), so it is available to users
> worldwide and other extensions can depend on it. How do we handle this kind
> of upload?
>
> I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
> Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
> great, let's use them.
>
> If not, let me suggest (a heretic) approach. My organization has an
> account. We have already uploaded some extensions in there (like
>
> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=oracle-labs-graalvm.graalvm
> ).
> Just the uploader would be "oracle-labs" not "jlahoda" (current name in the
> extension). This touches Apache copyright, so I am not sure if that is OK,
> but from my perspective it would be just a redistribution of the same
> source (we can probably modify our scripts to take the name from a property
> - e.g. `-Dauthor=oracle-labs` would build the extension ready for upload
> from the released sources).
>
> Last, but not least. What shall be the name of the extension? I've heard
> following suggestion:
>
> > *After a while I incline towards*
> *:*
> *> - NetBeans Java Language Server*
> *> - NetBeans Language Server*
> *> 2nd is more language neutral for the future extensions of this server.*
>
> Clearly, even if the extension gets uploaded by a non-Apache party, I'd
> like to keep the NetBeans trademark in there. Good promotion of the work
> Apache community provides! I hope we find a way to do so. Assuming there is
> a way, what name the Apache community wants to give to this `.vsix`
> convenience binary?
>
> Thank you for your support and opinions.
> -jt
>
Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by Martin Balin <ma...@oracle.com>.
Hi,
As suggested, I've created INFRA issue for ASF Publisher on VSCode
marketplace
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21017
thank you,
Martin
On 22. 10. 20 5:58, David Nalley wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 23:40 Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your reply, David.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
>>>> Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
>>>> great, let's use them.
>>> I don't recall off hand that the ASF has a Microsoft Marketplace account.
>>> However, we do maintain accounts at Apple and Google for similar
>>> purposes, and it's somewhat reasonable to assume that we could do
>>> similar in this case.
>>
>>
>> That would be ideal. How shall we proceed investigating this direction?
>> Submit
>>
>> an issue to infra? Legal?
>
> An infra ticket referencing this issue.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>> ....(publishing by an independent group)....
>>>> touches Apache copyright...
>>> I'd be more worried about the trademark implications than copyright.
>>
>>
>> Right, trademark is it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Laszlo seems to prefer an ...
>>
>>
>>
>>> independent publisher group who can be eventually be member of the
>>> Apache NetBeans community and also use the "built on Apache NetBeans"
>>> rather than "built by Apache NetBeans". Though the later one sounds
>>> better, but has many restrictions.
>>
>>
>> ...I guess we all would be fine with both solutions. Either upload managed
>> by
>>
>> Apache (like in case of Apple Store and Google Play) or upload by an
>>
>> independent group. It's just a question what we can handle in three weeks
>>
>> timeframe more easily?
>>
>>
>>
>> -jt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 23:40 Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks for your reply, David.
>
>
>
> > > I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
>
> > > Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
>
> > > great, let's use them.
>
> >
>
> > I don't recall off hand that the ASF has a Microsoft Marketplace account.
>
> > However, we do maintain accounts at Apple and Google for similar
>
> > purposes, and it's somewhat reasonable to assume that we could do
>
> > similar in this case.
>
>
>
> That would be ideal. How shall we proceed investigating this direction?
> Submit
>
> an issue to infra? Legal?
An infra ticket referencing this issue.
>
>
>
> > > ....(publishing by an independent group)....
>
> > > touches Apache copyright...
>
> >
>
> > I'd be more worried about the trademark implications than copyright.
>
>
>
> Right, trademark is it.
>
>
>
> Laszlo seems to prefer an ...
>
>
>
> > independent publisher group who can be eventually be member of the
>
> > Apache NetBeans community and also use the "built on Apache NetBeans"
>
> > rather than "built by Apache NetBeans". Though the later one sounds
>
> > better, but has many restrictions.
>
>
>
> ...I guess we all would be fine with both solutions. Either upload managed
> by
>
> Apache (like in case of Apple Store and Google Play) or upload by an
>
> independent group. It's just a question what we can handle in three weeks
>
> timeframe more easily?
>
>
>
> -jt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for your reply, David.
> > I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
> > Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
> > great, let's use them.
>
> I don't recall off hand that the ASF has a Microsoft Marketplace account.
> However, we do maintain accounts at Apple and Google for similar
> purposes, and it's somewhat reasonable to assume that we could do
> similar in this case.
That would be ideal. How shall we proceed investigating this direction? Submit
an issue to infra? Legal?
> > ....(publishing by an independent group)....
> > touches Apache copyright...
>
> I'd be more worried about the trademark implications than copyright.
Right, trademark is it.
Laszlo seems to prefer an ...
> independent publisher group who can be eventually be member of the
> Apache NetBeans community and also use the "built on Apache NetBeans"
> rather than "built by Apache NetBeans". Though the later one sounds
> better, but has many restrictions.
...I guess we all would be fine with both solutions. Either upload managed by
Apache (like in case of Apple Store and Google Play) or upload by an
independent group. It's just a question what we can handle in three weeks
timeframe more easily?
-jt
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Re: Releasing VSCode Extension on Apache and Microsoft Marketplace
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM Jaroslav Tulach
<ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi.
> The VSCode extension source is in and ready for testing and bugreports.
> Instructions to build your own version are here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/java/java.lsp.server/vscode/README.md
>
> Sváťa, Dušan, Martin, and others are now ready to bugfix a bit to stabilize
> the behavior. Of course, thanks everyone helping us with reviews and
> bugfixes, as the fixes may be spread around almost all NetBeans codebase.
>
> Assuming everything gets sufficiently bugfixed in the next few weeks and a
> good enough version of VSCode extension is released by Laszlo in the source
> form, it is then reasonable to ask: What's going to happen next?
>
> There has already been a VSCode extension release as Jan wrote:
> > FWIW, Apache NetBeans has already released the VS Code extension in the
> past:
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202004.mbox/%3CCALd%3D3dHVyENu%2Bj5o9stvP9_o%2B6FquTdzG7Wx-s-G5-_RdVeaDw%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> >
> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/netbeans/netbeans-vscode-ext/0.0.1/apache-netbeans-java-0.0.1.vsix
>
> Let's repeat it. Let's release a convenience binary with the extension
> again. I guess one of us, mentioned above, is going to take over the build
> and vote process. Is that OK?
>
> Then, the next step is to upload the extension to [Microsoft Marketplace](
> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode), so it is available to users
> worldwide and other extensions can depend on it. How do we handle this kind
> of upload?
>
> I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the
> Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so,
> great, let's use them.
I don't recall off hand that the ASF has a Microsoft Marketplace account.
However, we do maintain accounts at Apple and Google for similar
purposes, and it's somewhat reasonable to assume that we could do
similar in this case.
>
> If not, let me suggest (a heretic) approach. My organization has an
> account. We have already uploaded some extensions in there (like
> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=oracle-labs-graalvm.graalvm).
> Just the uploader would be "oracle-labs" not "jlahoda" (current name in the
> extension). This touches Apache copyright, so I am not sure if that is OK,
> but from my perspective it would be just a redistribution of the same
> source (we can probably modify our scripts to take the name from a property
> - e.g. `-Dauthor=oracle-labs` would build the extension ready for upload
> from the released sources).
>
I'd be more worried about the trademark implications than copyright.
> Last, but not least. What shall be the name of the extension? I've heard
> following suggestion:
>
> > *After a while I incline towards*
> *:*
> *> - NetBeans Java Language Server*
> *> - NetBeans Language Server*
> *> 2nd is more language neutral for the future extensions of this server.*
>
> Clearly, even if the extension gets uploaded by a non-Apache party, I'd
> like to keep the NetBeans trademark in there. Good promotion of the work
> Apache community provides! I hope we find a way to do so. Assuming there is
> a way, what name the Apache community wants to give to this `.vsix`
> convenience binary?
>
> Thank you for your support and opinions.
> -jt
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