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Posted to server-user@james.apache.org by Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com> on 2007/02/20 17:04:44 UTC
Original Message not returned in a bounce
If I have a typo in the email address of a recipient, I get the expected
bounce from James. But apparently since I moved to 2.3.0, I no longer
get the original email message as part of the bounce. That is very
inconvenient, especially if I sent several notes to the person in the
last hour or so. I have no way of knowing which one bounced.
Is this a configuration problem I have in my config.xml file? Is not
returning the orig msg a new feature in 2.3.0? Or is there something
else wrong.
Please advise what I can do to get the orig message returned as part of
the bounce.
Thanks.
Jerry
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Re: Original Message not returned in a bounce
Posted by Steven Azueta <st...@gmail.com>.
It might be a config issue where you need to specify "message" as the
attachment (though it's discouraged in the fight against spam).
Here's a snippet from the "local-address-error" processor in
config.xml -- maybe if you uncomment the match="All" mailet and change
attachment from "none" to "message" it will work...
<!-- To notify the sender the address was invalid, uncomment this
matcher/mailet configuration -->
<!-- The original message is not attached to keep the bounce processor
from deliverying spam -->
<!--
<mailet match="All" class="Bounce">
<attachment>none</attachment>
</mailet>
-->
On 2/20/07, Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com> wrote:
> If I have a typo in the email address of a recipient, I get the expected
> bounce from James. But apparently since I moved to 2.3.0, I no longer
> get the original email message as part of the bounce. That is very
> inconvenient, especially if I sent several notes to the person in the
> last hour or so. I have no way of knowing which one bounced.
>
> Is this a configuration problem I have in my config.xml file? Is not
> returning the orig msg a new feature in 2.3.0? Or is there something
> else wrong.
>
> Please advise what I can do to get the orig message returned as part of
> the bounce.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jerry
>
>
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Re: Original Message not returned in a bounce
Posted by Michael Weissenbacher <mw...@dermichi.com>.
Hi,
> I am curious, though, about your comment that sending the message back
> as an attachment affects spam. I realize that including the orig note
> increases the size of the bounce that needs to be sent. But other than
> that, I don't see how it's going to help spammers be more effective. Is
> it simply a bandwidth issue? Or am I missing something else?
Yes, spammers could easily trick your server to send bounce messages
with their message attached. This way your server will effectively
become a spam sender and may also be blacklisted.
If the original message isn't attached to the bounce, it is worthless
for the spammer.
Michael
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Re: Original Message not returned in a bounce
Posted by Michael Weissenbacher <mw...@dermichi.com>.
Hi,
> Good point. Thanks for the explanation. But in my case, I ONLY bounce
> outbound messages from authenticated users that cannot be delivered (due
> to invalid domain name or domain down). So there's no risk in attaching
> the message on the bounce since they are only going back to my own
> authenticated users. I stopped bouncing entirely for inbound messages,
> and am anxiously awaiting fastfail....
Well, bouncing full messages to authenticated users is fine.
Maybe you should consider bouncing a minimal message for inbound
messages, just to be nice to your legetimate senders. Because of the way
JAMES works (no fastfail), they won't get a notification if they
mistyped the address. Of course, that's up to you and your policy.
Michael
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Re: Original Message not returned in a bounce
Posted by Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com>.
Good point. Thanks for the explanation. But in my case, I ONLY bounce
outbound messages from authenticated users that cannot be delivered (due
to invalid domain name or domain down). So there's no risk in attaching
the message on the bounce since they are only going back to my own
authenticated users. I stopped bouncing entirely for inbound messages,
and am anxiously awaiting fastfail....
Thanks.
Jerry
Michael Weissenbacher wrote:
> Hi,
>> I am curious, though, about your comment that sending the message
>> back as an attachment affects spam. I realize that including the
>> orig note increases the size of the bounce that needs to be sent.
>> But other than that, I don't see how it's going to help spammers be
>> more effective. Is it simply a bandwidth issue? Or am I missing
>> something else?
> Yes, spammers could easily trick your server to send bounce messages
> with their message attached. This way your server will effectively
> become a spam sender and may also be blacklisted.
> If the original message isn't attached to the bounce, it is worthless
> for the spammer.
>
> Michael
>
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Re: Original Message not returned in a bounce
Posted by Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com>.
Thanks Steven. I'll look into how I have it configured.
I am curious, though, about your comment that sending the message back
as an attachment affects spam. I realize that including the orig note
increases the size of the bounce that needs to be sent. But other than
that, I don't see how it's going to help spammers be more effective. Is
it simply a bandwidth issue? Or am I missing something else?
Thanks again.
Jerry
Steven Azueta wrote:
> It might be a config issue where you need to specify "message" as the
> attachment (though it's discouraged in the fight against spam).
>
> Here's a snippet from the "local-address-error" processor in
> config.xml -- maybe if you uncomment the match="All" mailet and change
> attachment from "none" to "message" it will work...
>
> <!-- To notify the sender the address was invalid, uncomment this
> matcher/mailet configuration -->
> <!-- The original message is not attached to keep the bounce processor
> from deliverying spam -->
> <!--
> <mailet match="All" class="Bounce">
> <attachment>none</attachment>
> </mailet>
> -->
>
>
> On 2/20/07, Jerry M <te...@malcolms.com> wrote:
>> If I have a typo in the email address of a recipient, I get the expected
>> bounce from James. But apparently since I moved to 2.3.0, I no longer
>> get the original email message as part of the bounce. That is very
>> inconvenient, especially if I sent several notes to the person in the
>> last hour or so. I have no way of knowing which one bounced.
>>
>> Is this a configuration problem I have in my config.xml file? Is not
>> returning the orig msg a new feature in 2.3.0? Or is there something
>> else wrong.
>>
>> Please advise what I can do to get the orig message returned as part of
>> the bounce.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
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