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Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
Ivy and IvyDE are still supporting Java 1.4.
Java 1.4 is starting to be very old. And I am missing generics (I need them so much that I do some generic-commenting [1]). So I suggest to require at least Java 5.
As discussed with the Java requirement of Ant, Java 5 is deprecated too, and I for instance cannot run it anymore on my machine. So I would suggest to jump directly to require Java 6.
So what do you think ?
[ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
[ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 5
[ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 6
Nicolas
[1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/ivy/core/trunk/src/java/org/apache/ivy/osgi/repo/ArtifactReportManifestIterable.java
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Re: Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
Posted by Nicolas Lalevée <ni...@hibnet.org>.
Le 2 sept. 2013 à 11:40, Andre-John Mas <an...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> I would vote for supporting Java 6 and then indicating on the website which ant + ivy/ivyDE version combination is needed to support pre-JDK 1.6 environments, especially given the argument about Ant requiring more recent JDK version.
There is a page dedicated to that in each version of IvyDE:
http://ant.apache.org/ivy/ivyde/history/latest-milestone/compatibility.html
We would indeed need one for Ivy.
Nicolas
>
> JDK 1.6 has been out long enough that it should probably be considered well established and suitable as the current baseline.
>
> At the same time it would be interesting to know from anyone who votes for continued support for java 1.4, why they are unable to use 1.6 as a their tooling environment, noting that you can still target 1.4 with 1.6 based build tools.
>
> André-John
>
> Sent from my phone. Envoyé depuis mon téléphone.
>
> On 2013-09-02, at 9:37, Nicolas Lalevée <ni...@hibnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Ivy and IvyDE are still supporting Java 1.4.
>>
>> Java 1.4 is starting to be very old. And I am missing generics (I need them so much that I do some generic-commenting [1]). So I suggest to require at least Java 5.
>>
>> As discussed with the Java requirement of Ant, Java 5 is deprecated too, and I for instance cannot run it anymore on my machine. So I would suggest to jump directly to require Java 6.
>>
>> So what do you think ?
>> [ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
>> [ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 5
>> [ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 6
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>> [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/ivy/core/trunk/src/java/org/apache/ivy/osgi/repo/ArtifactReportManifestIterable.java
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Re: Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
Posted by Nicolas Lalevée <ni...@hibnet.org>.
Le 2 sept. 2013 à 15:40, Jan Matèrne (jhm) <ap...@materne.de> a écrit :
>> I would vote for supporting Java 6 and then indicating on the website
>> which ant + ivy/ivyDE version combination is needed to support pre-JDK
>> 1.6 environments, especially given the argument about Ant requiring
>> more recent JDK version.
>
> +1
> Like [1] for Ant.
>
>
>>> As discussed with the Java requirement of Ant, Java 5 is deprecated
>> too, and I for instance cannot run it anymore on my machine. So I would
>> suggest to jump directly to require Java 6.
>
> For Ant there wasn't a vote that I am aware of.
> My last information is that Ant requires 1.5 [1], but there was a discussion [2] of moving to 1.6.
You're right, there was just a discussion. My phrasing was not clear. I was not talking about current Ant requirements, I was just referring to the arguments in the discussion.
Nicolas
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>
>
>
>>> So what do you think ?
>
>
> [ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
> [ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 5
> [X] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 6
>
> As Jesse pointed out in [2] the actuals IDEs are requiring newer Java versions.
> IvyDE is an IDE plugin so follow that.
> For Ivy go the way as Ant wanted to go (but hasnt voted yet).
>
> Jan
>
> [1] http://ant.apache.org/faq.html#java-version
> [2] http://ant.1045680.n5.nabble.com/Future-of-JDK-5-support-in-Ant-td5714291.html#a5714299
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Re: AW: Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
Posted by Maarten Coene <ma...@yahoo.com>.
For Ivy we should stick to the same minimal JDK version as Ant. (JDK 1.5)
For IvyDE we could upgrade to the mimimal JDK version required for Eclipse. (JDK 1.6)
So:
[ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
[X] we should make Ivy require Java 5
[X] we should make IvyDE require Java 6
Maarten
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Onderwerp: AW: Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
> I would vote for supporting Java 6 and then indicating on the website
> which ant + ivy/ivyDE version combination is needed to support pre-JDK
> 1.6 environments, especially given the argument about Ant requiring
> more recent JDK version.
+1
Like [1] for Ant.
> > As discussed with the Java requirement of Ant, Java 5 is deprecated
> too, and I for instance cannot run it anymore on my machine. So I would
> suggest to jump directly to require Java 6.
For Ant there wasn't a vote that I am aware of.
My last information is that Ant requires 1.5 [1], but there was a discussion [2] of moving to 1.6.
> > So what do you think ?
[ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
[ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 5
[X] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 6
As Jesse pointed out in [2] the actuals IDEs are requiring newer Java versions.
IvyDE is an IDE plugin so follow that.
For Ivy go the way as Ant wanted to go (but hasnt voted yet).
Jan
[1] http://ant.apache.org/faq.html#java-version
[2] http://ant.1045680.n5.nabble.com/Future-of-JDK-5-support-in-Ant-td5714291.html#a5714299
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AW: Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
Posted by "Jan Matèrne (jhm)" <ap...@materne.de>.
> I would vote for supporting Java 6 and then indicating on the website
> which ant + ivy/ivyDE version combination is needed to support pre-JDK
> 1.6 environments, especially given the argument about Ant requiring
> more recent JDK version.
+1
Like [1] for Ant.
> > As discussed with the Java requirement of Ant, Java 5 is deprecated
> too, and I for instance cannot run it anymore on my machine. So I would
> suggest to jump directly to require Java 6.
For Ant there wasn't a vote that I am aware of.
My last information is that Ant requires 1.5 [1], but there was a discussion [2] of moving to 1.6.
> > So what do you think ?
[ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
[ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 5
[X] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 6
As Jesse pointed out in [2] the actuals IDEs are requiring newer Java versions.
IvyDE is an IDE plugin so follow that.
For Ivy go the way as Ant wanted to go (but hasnt voted yet).
Jan
[1] http://ant.apache.org/faq.html#java-version
[2] http://ant.1045680.n5.nabble.com/Future-of-JDK-5-support-in-Ant-td5714291.html#a5714299
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Re: Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
Posted by Andre-John Mas <an...@gmail.com>.
I would vote for supporting Java 6 and then indicating on the website which ant + ivy/ivyDE version combination is needed to support pre-JDK 1.6 environments, especially given the argument about Ant requiring more recent JDK version.
JDK 1.6 has been out long enough that it should probably be considered well established and suitable as the current baseline.
At the same time it would be interesting to know from anyone who votes for continued support for java 1.4, why they are unable to use 1.6 as a their tooling environment, noting that you can still target 1.4 with 1.6 based build tools.
André-John
Sent from my phone. Envoyé depuis mon téléphone.
On 2013-09-02, at 9:37, Nicolas Lalevée <ni...@hibnet.org> wrote:
> Ivy and IvyDE are still supporting Java 1.4.
>
> Java 1.4 is starting to be very old. And I am missing generics (I need them so much that I do some generic-commenting [1]). So I suggest to require at least Java 5.
>
> As discussed with the Java requirement of Ant, Java 5 is deprecated too, and I for instance cannot run it anymore on my machine. So I would suggest to jump directly to require Java 6.
>
> So what do you think ?
> [ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
> [ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 5
> [ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 6
>
> Nicolas
>
> [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/ivy/core/trunk/src/java/org/apache/ivy/osgi/repo/ArtifactReportManifestIterable.java
>
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Re: Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
Posted by Nicolas Lalevée <ni...@hibnet.org>.
I have just committed a page in Ivy's doc about compatibility, see r1538473.
About IvyDE, I'll change it after the next release.
Nicolas
Le 4 sept. 2013 à 19:38, Nicolas Lalevée <ni...@hibnet.org> a écrit :
> So there is a consensus about IvyDE requiring Java 6. I suggest that it will take effect after the next release, which I intend to propose soon.
>
> And there is a consensus about dropping Java 1.4 support for Ivy.
>
> Since I have not proposed every kind of answer to the question, especially the solution suggested by Maarten, I consider the discussion still open about Ivy requiring Java 5 or Java 6.
>
> I like the argument raised by Maarten, that Ivy should follow Ant requirements. Do anybody objects ? Do somebody think we should drop support of Java 5 ?
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le 3 sept. 2013 à 12:04, Jean-Louis Boudart <je...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> So what do you think ?
>>> [ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
>>> [ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 5
>>> [x] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 6
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jean Louis Boudart
>> <http://ant.apache.org/easyant/>
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Re: Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
Posted by Nicolas Lalevée <ni...@hibnet.org>.
So there is a consensus about IvyDE requiring Java 6. I suggest that it will take effect after the next release, which I intend to propose soon.
And there is a consensus about dropping Java 1.4 support for Ivy.
Since I have not proposed every kind of answer to the question, especially the solution suggested by Maarten, I consider the discussion still open about Ivy requiring Java 5 or Java 6.
I like the argument raised by Maarten, that Ivy should follow Ant requirements. Do anybody objects ? Do somebody think we should drop support of Java 5 ?
Nicolas
Le 3 sept. 2013 à 12:04, Jean-Louis Boudart <je...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> So what do you think ?
>> [ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
>> [ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 5
>> [x] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 6
>>
>
>
> --
> Jean Louis Boudart
> <http://ant.apache.org/easyant/>
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Re: Java version of Ivy/IvyDE
Posted by Jean-Louis Boudart <je...@gmail.com>.
So what do you think ?
> [ ] we should continue to support Java 1.4
> [ ] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 5
> [x] we should make Ivy and IvyDE require Java 6
>
--
Jean Louis Boudart
<http://ant.apache.org/easyant/>