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Posted to users@camel.apache.org by Tim Dudgeon <td...@gmail.com> on 2015/08/19 18:53:16 UTC
what's happening to camel extra?
Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
(https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) I wondered
what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
Tim
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com>.
IMHO SourceForge is a piece of crap that has never been anywhere near the
"good solution" ;) .
Cheers!
pt., 4.09.2015 o 15:22 użytkownik Victor NOËL <vi...@linagora.com>
napisał:
> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
>
> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting adware
> and other spyware in installers available to download there.
> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that wasn't
> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>
> See
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> for details.
>
> Victor
>
> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> > Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors for
> > the project ?
> > I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has been
> > moved (where ever it is moved).
> >
> > I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
> >
> > // Pontus
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to the...
> >> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the
> project
> >> after SourceForge migration.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> >> napisał:
> >>
> >>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in charge
> >> of
> >>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >>>
> >>> // Pontus
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
> >> migration?
> >>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
> >>>>
> >>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
> >> Maybe I
> >>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty
> over
> >>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
> Source
> >>>> Integration specialist
> >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge
> >>> for
> >>>>> the move.
> >>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
> >>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
> >>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> >>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
> >>>> mailinglist.
> >>>>> [1]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >>>>> [2]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> >>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
> >>> backup
> >>>>> plan
> >>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it will
> >> be
> >>>>> moved
> >>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
> >> Apache
> >>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
> >>>>>> discussion
> >>>>>>>> yet.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >>>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >>>>>>>> [3]
> >>>>>>>>
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> >> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> >>>>>>>>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >> I
> >>>>>> wondered
> >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> --
> >> Henryk Konsek
> >> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >>
>
> --
>
>
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Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Unfortuantly I've never done the release myself so I do not have
the continuity for how to do the release.
The latest releases has been handled by Christoph Emmersberger.
Related question why have we disabled the db4o component ?
Not that I have use for it myself at the moment.
But I'm not sure why camel-extra should discontinue it just because Actian
has discontinued there commercial db4o product offering ?
If we need a commercial product offering for all components in camel-extra
(or camel for that matter) my guess is that it will be a pretty empty place
:-)
// Pontus
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 at 14:39 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> Hi Pontus,
>
> OK, I will create the branch.
>
> And, agree to do release. I just want to check if we have all the
> resources needed (maybe asking a staging repo a OSS Sonatype).
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 11/16/2015 11:25 AM, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> > (Moving the discussion to camel-dev)
> >
> > Yes I think we should start a 2.15.x branch.
> > Also now that we have moved camel-extra to github I think it is time to
> > start thinking about getting a releases out so that we can get in pace
> with
> > the camel versions.
> >
> > While camel-extra is it's own project it helps the users if camel-extra
> > keeps up with the main project.
> >
> > Regards
> > Pontus
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 at 11:17 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Pontus,
> >>
> >> It looks good. I'm upgrading to Camel 2.15.4 and so fixing components.
> >>
> >> If we have to "maintain" 2.15.0 I will create a specific branch.
> >>
> >> WDYT ?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >> On 11/13/2015 10:47 PM, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> >>> So now the repository should be back "online".
> >>>
> >>> I did a reimport of the google code repository and then rebased the
> >>> changes in master, that was previously only in the github repo, on top
> >>> of that.
> >>> Hopefully I have not missed any commits.
> >>>
> >>> I had to disable the wmq (and the cis was disabled since before)
> >>> components since they depend on artifacts that are not in any public
> >>> repos. This was made intentionally.
> >>>
> >>> Jean-Baptist, Roman Martin, Stephen and Greg: Could you all please take
> >>> a extra close look at make sure I have not missed any of your commits.
> >>> If I have please forgive me and tell me so I can try to fix it. Or just
> >>> recommit them and push :-)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Pontus Ullgren
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 17:06 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> >>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> OK so the new imported repo was trashed I guess due to some forced
> >> push.
> >>>
> >>> I will make a new try to fix this later.
> >>> Could you please wait with pushing commits for the time beeing.
> >>>
> >>> // Pontus
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 16:51 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> >>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello.
> >>>
> >>> The camel-extra repo from google code has been reimported to a
> >>> new repo on github.
> >>> The previous import has been renamed to
> camel-extra-firstimport
> >>> but I could not find any easy way to make it read only.
> >>>
> >>> What is left is to reapply the patches I will get onto that
> >>> during the weekend.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Pontus Ullgren
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 11:16 David Karlsen
> >>> <davidkarlsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That sounds good so we don't loose anything. Can I
> >> additionally
> >>> suggest that the old repo get's closed/set readonly or
> >>> something after
> >>> the move so we don't end up here again?
> >>> Keeping the mailinglist seems reasonable as extra will be
> >>> very low
> >>> traffic - and then easier to notice when using same
> >>> communication
> >>> channels etc
> >>>
> >>> 2015-11-11 9:43 GMT+01:00 Pontus Ullgren <
> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>> <ma...@gmail.com>>:
> >>> > Great,
> >>> >
> >>> > I would be happy to do this new migration (already have
> >>> the privileges
> >>> > needed on the github organisation).
> >>> > However I will wait an additional 72h just to see if
> >>> there are any
> >>> > objections :-)
> >>> >
> >>> > // Pontus
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 09:40 Claus Ibsen
> >>> <claus.ibsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Hi
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with
> >>> latest from
> >>> >> google code, and then add those PR's commits that are
> >>> extra on github
> >>> >> today could be the way forward.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we
> are
> >>> sure we have
> >>> >> all the bits that people are using today from the
> >>> official releases.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer
> >>> to not
> >>> >> duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this
> >>> mailing list, and
> >>> >> then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets.
> By
> >>> using this
> >>> >> mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge
> of
> >>> the extra
> >>> >> project. I dont think people bother to signup on
> endless
> >>> number of
> >>> >> mailing lists.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren
> >>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> >> > Hello,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Any thoughts or comments on this ?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but
> >>> since the latest
> >>> >> > official release has been made from the google code
> >>> repo I think it
> >>> >> would
> >>> >> > be best to treat this as the official repository and
> >>> recreate the gihub
> >>> >> > repo with a new import to from google code.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue
> >>> be handled on the
> >>> >> > camel-extra mailing list instead ?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Best regards
> >>> >> > Pontus Ullgren
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren
> >>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> A short update.
> >>> >> >> Looked through the commits in the google code repo
> >>> and github and as a
> >>> >> >> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits
> >>> being done to both
> >>> >> >> places.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for
> >>> the master branch so
> >>> >> >> that the result is something that is acceptable. I
> >>> have yet to run tests
> >>> >> >> and make sure things work as expected.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I have not yet started looking into merging in the
> >>> changes for the
> >>> >> 2.13.x,
> >>> >> >> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> However looking at the commit in github it seems to
> >>> mainly be the
> >>> >> >> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ
> >>> component. Both which I
> >>> >> find a
> >>> >> >> bit strange that they were even added to
> camel-extra
> >>> since they have
> >>> >> >> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly
> >>> accessible, and must be
> >>> >> >> locally installed. So these will never be able to
> >>> build and test in the
> >>> >> CI
> >>> >> >> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible
> >>> licensing issues for
> >>> >> >> these components. And will we be able to release
> them
> >>> if the person in
> >>> >> >> charge of the release does not have access to the
> >>> closed source
> >>> >> libraries ?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be
> to
> >>> rename the current
> >>> >> >> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply
> >>> re-import from the
> >>> >> current
> >>> >> >> google code repo.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> We could then sit down and move over the commits
> that
> >>> makes sense from
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >> once that was done on github.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Comments ?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> // Pontus
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren
> >>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time
> >>> ago. However after
> >>> >> that
> >>> >> >>> there was a period of uncertainty during which
> more
> >>> commits and even
> >>> >> >>> releases where made from the Google code repo up
> >>> until the point where
> >>> >> >>> google shutdown there service.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk
> >>> that the code bases
> >>> >> has
> >>> >> >>> diverge.
> >>> >> >>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If
> not I
> >>> would be happy to
> >>> >> >>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google
> >>> code is synced to the
> >>> >> >>> github.com <http://github.com> repositories.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it
> >>> turns out that, at
> >>> >> >>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC
> to
> >>> decide where and
> >>> >> what
> >>> >> >>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing
> >>> will be
> >>> >> automatically
> >>> >> >>> moved by apache infra.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Best regards
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Pontus
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen
> >>> <davidkarlsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
> >>> >> >>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com
> >>> <ma...@gmail.com>>:
> >>> >> >>>> > Hi JB
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is
> >>> going to move to
> >>> >> >>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you
> >>> already final descision
> >>> >> about
> >>> >> >>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev
> >>> about moving to SF but
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >>>> projects will be not forced to move together to
> SF.
> >>> As i have seen
> >>> >> Camel
> >>> >> >>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
> >>> >> >>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git
> >>> and I thought Camel
> >>> >> >>>> has already finished this process.
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > Kindly regards
> >>> >> >>>> > Krzysztof
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
> >>> >> >>>> >>
> >>> >> >>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've
> done
> >>> some cleanups and
> >>> >> >>>> upgrades.
> >>> >> >>>> >>
> >>> >> >>>> >> Regards
> >>> >> >>>> >> JB
> >>> >> >>>> >>
> >>> >> >>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak
> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>> Hi
> >>> >> >>>> >>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to
> >>> Github? Have you done
> >>> >> it
> >>> >> >>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this
> process?
> >>> >> >>>> >>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>> Regards
> >>> >> >>>> >>> Krzysztof
> >>> >> >>>> >>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would
> be a
> >>> real problem for
> >>> >> >>>> users of
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> the library.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that
> >>> package name since
> >>> >> >>>> according
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev
> >>> mailinglist [1] it is up
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> >>>> each
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras
> >>> project should be
> >>> >> handled.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel
> >>> Extras source code
> >>> >> >>>> should be
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to
> >>> keep the package
> >>> >> name
> >>> >> >>>> as is.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> [1]
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> // Pontus
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian
> Müller <
> >>> >> >>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com
> >>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the
> support/guidance
> >>> from dev@community
> >>> >> >>>> regarding
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now.
> I'm
> >>> not convinced from
> >>> >> SF.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release
> >>> there, please check
> >>> >> with
> >>> >> >>>> the
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can
> >>> still use the name
> >>> >> "Camel
> >>> >> >>>> Extra"
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it
> has
> >>> apache and camel
> >>> >> in
> >>> >> >>>> it),
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to
> Apache
> >>> Extra anymore in
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >>>> future,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> Best,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> Christian
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul
> Kripalani"
> >>> <raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
> >>> >> >:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel
> >>> extras community
> >>> >> feels
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it.
> It
> >>> seems like the
> >>> >> joint
> >>> >> >>>> Apache
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated
> >> anyway.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there
> >>> and sharing our
> >>> >> >>>> concerns at
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we
> >>> dealt with this issue.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can
> update
> >>> the links on the
> >>> >> >>>> Apache Camel
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>> website.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren"
> >>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev
> >>> beginning this month[1] and
> >>> >> >>>> it seems
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is
> up
> >>> to the PMCs.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3]
> [4]
> >>> I think we should
> >>> >> go
> >>> >> >>>> ahead
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> and
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [1]
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [2]
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [3]
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [4]
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus
> Ullgren
> >>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >>>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github
> is
> >>> superior to what
> >>> >> SF
> >>> >> >>>> offers
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to
> github)
> >>> for camel-extra I
> >>> >> >>>> don't
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> think
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that
> big
> >>> a deal.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> )
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian
> (
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are
> >>> hosted on the main
> >>> >> camel
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> project
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google
> code
> >>> the only thing that
> >>> >> >>>> it was
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> used
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific
> >>> documentation such
> >>> >> as
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> release
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider
> >>> provides git, a simple
> >>> >> way of
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> hosting
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good
> >>> uptime on the service
> >>> >> >>>> in my
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The
> important
> >>> thing is that we
> >>> >> get
> >>> >> >>>> this
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> up
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul
> Kripalani
> >>> <raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >>>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the
> >>> Apache Extras [1]
> >>> >> >>>> umbrella...
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's
> the
> >>> point of grouping
> >>> >> all
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> "extras"
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF
> >>> umbrella – I'm assuming
> >>> >> >>>> it's
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> for
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> ASF
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely
> >>> doesn't serve a
> >>> >> technical
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> reason
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> nor
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras
> >>> project is more
> >>> >> closely
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> related
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> to
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras
> >>> project in ASF and (b)
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >>>> roles
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> in
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show
> some
> >>> correlation with
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> >>>> roles
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> at
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not
> >>> necessarily tied together,
> >>> >> i.e.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> there's
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> no
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in
> >>> camel-extras has to be a
> >>> >> >>>> committer
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> in
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>> https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob
> >> Davies <
> >>> >> >>>> rajdavies@gmail.com <mailto:rajdavies@gmail.com
> >>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing
> a
> >>> mass migration to
> >>> >> SF
> >>> >> >>>> - its
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want
> >>> multiple targets - so to
> >>> >> >>>> pick
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> one
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes
> >>> sense. However its not
> >>> >> >>>> clear
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> that
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> we
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or
> why
> >>> we couldn’t just
> >>> >> move
> >>> >> >>>> it
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus
> Ullgren
> >> <
> >>> >> ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to
> >>> join the com-dev
> >>> >> mailing
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> list
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> and
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on
> >>> that question :-)
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David
> >> Karlsen <
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
> >>> <ma...@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor
> >>> NOËL" <
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >>> <ma...@linagora.com>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem
> >>> with sourceforge?
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there
> >>> (such as a member of
> >>> >> an
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take
> >>> the wrong decision?
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought
> >>> because after the
> >>> >> Gimp
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> people
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> told
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things,
> >>> they actually insisted
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> during
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul
> Kripalani a
> >>> écrit :
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last
> >>> resort. But the
> >>> >> Apache
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> Extras
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the
> ASF
> >>> and the consensus
> >>> >> >>>> seems
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> point
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would
> have
> >>> been my personal
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> preference)
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> or
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member &
> Committer
> >>> | Enterprise
> >>> >> >>>> Architect,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> Open
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter:
> >>> @raulvk
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM,
> >>> Victor NOËL <
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >>> <ma...@linagora.com>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we
> sure
> >>> sourceforge is a
> >>> >> good
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their
> >>> terrible behaviour by
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> implanting
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers
> >>> available to download
> >>> >> there.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big
> >>> complain of the Gimp
> >>> >> project
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> (that
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus
> Ullgren
> >>> a écrit :
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers
> >>> in the current set
> >>> >> of
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue
> >>> maintaining the
> >>> >> project
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> once
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> it
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> has
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now
> is
> >>> the progress of
> >>> >> the SF
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18
> Henryk
> >>> Konsek <
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com <mailto:
> hekonsek@gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache
> >>> Extras projects are
> >>> >> being
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> moved to
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to
> find a
> >>> volunteer willing
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> maintain
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38
> >>> użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com <mailto:
> >> ullgren@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates
> >>> on the comdev
> >>> >> mailing
> >>> >> >>>> list
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> no.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to
> >>> Daniel Gruno (that
> >>> >> >>>> seems
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> to be
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status
> update
> >>> for camel-extra.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57
> Raul
> >>> Kripalani <
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the
> ASF
> >>> front about the
> >>> >> >>>> Apache
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Extras
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new
> >>> releases of camel-extras
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> components...
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the
> >>> ComDev thread but
> >>> >> found no
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that
> >>> thread. Things tend to
> >>> >> get
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> very
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly
> >>> marked conclusion
> >>> >> email.
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Pontus,
OK, I will create the branch.
And, agree to do release. I just want to check if we have all the
resources needed (maybe asking a staging repo a OSS Sonatype).
Regards
JB
On 11/16/2015 11:25 AM, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> (Moving the discussion to camel-dev)
>
> Yes I think we should start a 2.15.x branch.
> Also now that we have moved camel-extra to github I think it is time to
> start thinking about getting a releases out so that we can get in pace with
> the camel versions.
>
> While camel-extra is it's own project it helps the users if camel-extra
> keeps up with the main project.
>
> Regards
> Pontus
>
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 at 11:17 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pontus,
>>
>> It looks good. I'm upgrading to Camel 2.15.4 and so fixing components.
>>
>> If we have to "maintain" 2.15.0 I will create a specific branch.
>>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 11/13/2015 10:47 PM, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>>> So now the repository should be back "online".
>>>
>>> I did a reimport of the google code repository and then rebased the
>>> changes in master, that was previously only in the github repo, on top
>>> of that.
>>> Hopefully I have not missed any commits.
>>>
>>> I had to disable the wmq (and the cis was disabled since before)
>>> components since they depend on artifacts that are not in any public
>>> repos. This was made intentionally.
>>>
>>> Jean-Baptist, Roman Martin, Stephen and Greg: Could you all please take
>>> a extra close look at make sure I have not missed any of your commits.
>>> If I have please forgive me and tell me so I can try to fix it. Or just
>>> recommit them and push :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Pontus Ullgren
>>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 17:06 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK so the new imported repo was trashed I guess due to some forced
>> push.
>>>
>>> I will make a new try to fix this later.
>>> Could you please wait with pushing commits for the time beeing.
>>>
>>> // Pontus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 16:51 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> The camel-extra repo from google code has been reimported to a
>>> new repo on github.
>>> The previous import has been renamed to camel-extra-firstimport
>>> but I could not find any easy way to make it read only.
>>>
>>> What is left is to reapply the patches I will get onto that
>>> during the weekend.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Pontus Ullgren
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 11:16 David Karlsen
>>> <davidkarlsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That sounds good so we don't loose anything. Can I
>> additionally
>>> suggest that the old repo get's closed/set readonly or
>>> something after
>>> the move so we don't end up here again?
>>> Keeping the mailinglist seems reasonable as extra will be
>>> very low
>>> traffic - and then easier to notice when using same
>>> communication
>>> channels etc
>>>
>>> 2015-11-11 9:43 GMT+01:00 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>> > Great,
>>> >
>>> > I would be happy to do this new migration (already have
>>> the privileges
>>> > needed on the github organisation).
>>> > However I will wait an additional 72h just to see if
>>> there are any
>>> > objections :-)
>>> >
>>> > // Pontus
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 09:40 Claus Ibsen
>>> <claus.ibsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi
>>> >>
>>> >> Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with
>>> latest from
>>> >> google code, and then add those PR's commits that are
>>> extra on github
>>> >> today could be the way forward.
>>> >>
>>> >> As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we are
>>> sure we have
>>> >> all the bits that people are using today from the
>>> official releases.
>>> >>
>>> >> About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer
>>> to not
>>> >> duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this
>>> mailing list, and
>>> >> then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets. By
>>> using this
>>> >> mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge of
>>> the extra
>>> >> project. I dont think people bother to signup on endless
>>> number of
>>> >> mailing lists.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren
>>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >> > Hello,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Any thoughts or comments on this ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but
>>> since the latest
>>> >> > official release has been made from the google code
>>> repo I think it
>>> >> would
>>> >> > be best to treat this as the official repository and
>>> recreate the gihub
>>> >> > repo with a new import to from google code.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue
>>> be handled on the
>>> >> > camel-extra mailing list instead ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Best regards
>>> >> > Pontus Ullgren
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren
>>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> A short update.
>>> >> >> Looked through the commits in the google code repo
>>> and github and as a
>>> >> >> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits
>>> being done to both
>>> >> >> places.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for
>>> the master branch so
>>> >> >> that the result is something that is acceptable. I
>>> have yet to run tests
>>> >> >> and make sure things work as expected.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I have not yet started looking into merging in the
>>> changes for the
>>> >> 2.13.x,
>>> >> >> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> However looking at the commit in github it seems to
>>> mainly be the
>>> >> >> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ
>>> component. Both which I
>>> >> find a
>>> >> >> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra
>>> since they have
>>> >> >> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly
>>> accessible, and must be
>>> >> >> locally installed. So these will never be able to
>>> build and test in the
>>> >> CI
>>> >> >> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible
>>> licensing issues for
>>> >> >> these components. And will we be able to release them
>>> if the person in
>>> >> >> charge of the release does not have access to the
>>> closed source
>>> >> libraries ?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to
>>> rename the current
>>> >> >> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply
>>> re-import from the
>>> >> current
>>> >> >> google code repo.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We could then sit down and move over the commits that
>>> makes sense from
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> once that was done on github.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Comments ?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> // Pontus
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren
>>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time
>>> ago. However after
>>> >> that
>>> >> >>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more
>>> commits and even
>>> >> >>> releases where made from the Google code repo up
>>> until the point where
>>> >> >>> google shutdown there service.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk
>>> that the code bases
>>> >> has
>>> >> >>> diverge.
>>> >> >>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I
>>> would be happy to
>>> >> >>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google
>>> code is synced to the
>>> >> >>> github.com <http://github.com> repositories.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it
>>> turns out that, at
>>> >> >>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to
>>> decide where and
>>> >> what
>>> >> >>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing
>>> will be
>>> >> automatically
>>> >> >>> moved by apache infra.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Best regards
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Pontus
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen
>>> <davidkarlsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
>>> >> >>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>> >> >>>> > Hi JB
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is
>>> going to move to
>>> >> >>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you
>>> already final descision
>>> >> about
>>> >> >>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev
>>> about moving to SF but
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF.
>>> As i have seen
>>> >> Camel
>>> >> >>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
>>> >> >>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git
>>> and I thought Camel
>>> >> >>>> has already finished this process.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > Kindly regards
>>> >> >>>> > Krzysztof
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done
>>> some cleanups and
>>> >> >>>> upgrades.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Regards
>>> >> >>>> >> JB
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak
>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>> Hi
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to
>>> Github? Have you done
>>> >> it
>>> >> >>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> Regards
>>> >> >>>> >>> Krzysztof
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a
>>> real problem for
>>> >> >>>> users of
>>> >> >>>> >>>> the library.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that
>>> package name since
>>> >> >>>> according
>>> >> >>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev
>>> mailinglist [1] it is up
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>>> each
>>> >> >>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras
>>> project should be
>>> >> handled.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel
>>> Extras source code
>>> >> >>>> should be
>>> >> >>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to
>>> keep the package
>>> >> name
>>> >> >>>> as is.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> [1]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
>>> >> >>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance
>>> from dev@community
>>> >> >>>> regarding
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm
>>> not convinced from
>>> >> SF.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release
>>> there, please check
>>> >> with
>>> >> >>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can
>>> still use the name
>>> >> "Camel
>>> >> >>>> Extra"
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has
>>> apache and camel
>>> >> in
>>> >> >>>> it),
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache
>>> Extra anymore in
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> future,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Best,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Christian
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani"
>>> <raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
>>> >> >:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel
>>> extras community
>>> >> feels
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It
>>> seems like the
>>> >> joint
>>> >> >>>> Apache
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated
>> anyway.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there
>>> and sharing our
>>> >> >>>> concerns at
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we
>>> dealt with this issue.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update
>>> the links on the
>>> >> >>>> Apache Camel
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> website.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren"
>>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev
>>> beginning this month[1] and
>>> >> >>>> it seems
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up
>>> to the PMCs.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4]
>>> I think we should
>>> >> go
>>> >> >>>> ahead
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> and
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [1]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [2]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [3]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [4]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren
>>> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is
>>> superior to what
>>> >> SF
>>> >> >>>> offers
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github)
>>> for camel-extra I
>>> >> >>>> don't
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> think
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big
>>> a deal.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> )
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are
>>> hosted on the main
>>> >> camel
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code
>>> the only thing that
>>> >> >>>> it was
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> used
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific
>>> documentation such
>>> >> as
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> release
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider
>>> provides git, a simple
>>> >> way of
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> hosting
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good
>>> uptime on the service
>>> >> >>>> in my
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important
>>> thing is that we
>>> >> get
>>> >> >>>> this
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> up
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani
>>> <raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the
>>> Apache Extras [1]
>>> >> >>>> umbrella...
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the
>>> point of grouping
>>> >> all
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> "extras"
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF
>>> umbrella – I'm assuming
>>> >> >>>> it's
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> for
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> ASF
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely
>>> doesn't serve a
>>> >> technical
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> reason
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> nor
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras
>>> project is more
>>> >> closely
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> related
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras
>>> project in ASF and (b)
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> roles
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some
>>> correlation with
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> roles
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> at
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not
>>> necessarily tied together,
>>> >> i.e.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> there's
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> no
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in
>>> camel-extras has to be a
>>> >> >>>> committer
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> [1]
>>> https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob
>> Davies <
>>> >> >>>> rajdavies@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a
>>> mass migration to
>>> >> SF
>>> >> >>>> - its
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want
>>> multiple targets - so to
>>> >> >>>> pick
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> one
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes
>>> sense. However its not
>>> >> >>>> clear
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> that
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> we
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why
>>> we couldn’t just
>>> >> move
>>> >> >>>> it
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren
>> <
>>> >> ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to
>>> join the com-dev
>>> >> mailing
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> list
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> and
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on
>>> that question :-)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David
>> Karlsen <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor
>>> NOËL" <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>> <ma...@linagora.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem
>>> with sourceforge?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there
>>> (such as a member of
>>> >> an
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take
>>> the wrong decision?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought
>>> because after the
>>> >> Gimp
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> people
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> told
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things,
>>> they actually insisted
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> during
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a
>>> écrit :
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last
>>> resort. But the
>>> >> Apache
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Extras
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF
>>> and the consensus
>>> >> >>>> seems
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> point
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have
>>> been my personal
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> preference)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> or
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer
>>> | Enterprise
>>> >> >>>> Architect,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Open
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter:
>>> @raulvk
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM,
>>> Victor NOËL <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>> <ma...@linagora.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure
>>> sourceforge is a
>>> >> good
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their
>>> terrible behaviour by
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> implanting
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers
>>> available to download
>>> >> there.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big
>>> complain of the Gimp
>>> >> project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> (that
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren
>>> a écrit :
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers
>>> in the current set
>>> >> of
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue
>>> maintaining the
>>> >> project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> once
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> it
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> has
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is
>>> the progress of
>>> >> the SF
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk
>>> Konsek <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com <mailto:hekonsek@gmail.com
>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache
>>> Extras projects are
>>> >> being
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> moved to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a
>>> volunteer willing
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> maintain
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38
>>> użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com <mailto:
>> ullgren@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates
>>> on the comdev
>>> >> mailing
>>> >> >>>> list
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> no.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to
>>> Daniel Gruno (that
>>> >> >>>> seems
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> to be
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update
>>> for camel-extra.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul
>>> Kripalani <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF
>>> front about the
>>> >> >>>> Apache
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Extras
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new
>>> releases of camel-extras
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> components...
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the
>>> ComDev thread but
>>> >> found no
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that
>>> thread. Things tend to
>>> >> get
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> very
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly
>>> marked conclusion
>>> >> email.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member &
>>> Committer | Enterprise
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Architect,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net |
>>> twitter: @raulvk
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56
>>> AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com <mailto:
>> ullgren@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems
>>> that Daniel Gruno
>>> >> is
>>> >> >>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> one
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any
>>> indication on the
>>> >> >>>> progress
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> or
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan
>>> does NOT[2] seem to
>>> >> >>>> be a
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev
>>> decision.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move
>>> this discussion to
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17
>>> Christoph
>>> >> Emmersberger <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this
>>> move is expected? We
>>> >> >>>> have
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> still
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
(Moving the discussion to camel-dev)
Yes I think we should start a 2.15.x branch.
Also now that we have moved camel-extra to github I think it is time to
start thinking about getting a releases out so that we can get in pace with
the camel versions.
While camel-extra is it's own project it helps the users if camel-extra
keeps up with the main project.
Regards
Pontus
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 at 11:17 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> Hi Pontus,
>
> It looks good. I'm upgrading to Camel 2.15.4 and so fixing components.
>
> If we have to "maintain" 2.15.0 I will create a specific branch.
>
> WDYT ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 11/13/2015 10:47 PM, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> > So now the repository should be back "online".
> >
> > I did a reimport of the google code repository and then rebased the
> > changes in master, that was previously only in the github repo, on top
> > of that.
> > Hopefully I have not missed any commits.
> >
> > I had to disable the wmq (and the cis was disabled since before)
> > components since they depend on artifacts that are not in any public
> > repos. This was made intentionally.
> >
> > Jean-Baptist, Roman Martin, Stephen and Greg: Could you all please take
> > a extra close look at make sure I have not missed any of your commits.
> > If I have please forgive me and tell me so I can try to fix it. Or just
> > recommit them and push :-)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Pontus Ullgren
> >
> > On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 17:06 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > OK so the new imported repo was trashed I guess due to some forced
> push.
> >
> > I will make a new try to fix this later.
> > Could you please wait with pushing commits for the time beeing.
> >
> > // Pontus
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 16:51 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > The camel-extra repo from google code has been reimported to a
> > new repo on github.
> > The previous import has been renamed to camel-extra-firstimport
> > but I could not find any easy way to make it read only.
> >
> > What is left is to reapply the patches I will get onto that
> > during the weekend.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Pontus Ullgren
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 11:16 David Karlsen
> > <davidkarlsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > That sounds good so we don't loose anything. Can I
> additionally
> > suggest that the old repo get's closed/set readonly or
> > something after
> > the move so we don't end up here again?
> > Keeping the mailinglist seems reasonable as extra will be
> > very low
> > traffic - and then easier to notice when using same
> > communication
> > channels etc
> >
> > 2015-11-11 9:43 GMT+01:00 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>>:
> > > Great,
> > >
> > > I would be happy to do this new migration (already have
> > the privileges
> > > needed on the github organisation).
> > > However I will wait an additional 72h just to see if
> > there are any
> > > objections :-)
> > >
> > > // Pontus
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 09:40 Claus Ibsen
> > <claus.ibsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi
> > >>
> > >> Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with
> > latest from
> > >> google code, and then add those PR's commits that are
> > extra on github
> > >> today could be the way forward.
> > >>
> > >> As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we are
> > sure we have
> > >> all the bits that people are using today from the
> > official releases.
> > >>
> > >> About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer
> > to not
> > >> duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this
> > mailing list, and
> > >> then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets. By
> > using this
> > >> mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge of
> > the extra
> > >> project. I dont think people bother to signup on endless
> > number of
> > >> mailing lists.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren
> > <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> > Hello,
> > >> >
> > >> > Any thoughts or comments on this ?
> > >> >
> > >> > As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but
> > since the latest
> > >> > official release has been made from the google code
> > repo I think it
> > >> would
> > >> > be best to treat this as the official repository and
> > recreate the gihub
> > >> > repo with a new import to from google code.
> > >> >
> > >> > Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue
> > be handled on the
> > >> > camel-extra mailing list instead ?
> > >> >
> > >> > Best regards
> > >> > Pontus Ullgren
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren
> > <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> A short update.
> > >> >> Looked through the commits in the google code repo
> > and github and as a
> > >> >> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits
> > being done to both
> > >> >> places.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for
> > the master branch so
> > >> >> that the result is something that is acceptable. I
> > have yet to run tests
> > >> >> and make sure things work as expected.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have not yet started looking into merging in the
> > changes for the
> > >> 2.13.x,
> > >> >> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> However looking at the commit in github it seems to
> > mainly be the
> > >> >> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ
> > component. Both which I
> > >> find a
> > >> >> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra
> > since they have
> > >> >> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly
> > accessible, and must be
> > >> >> locally installed. So these will never be able to
> > build and test in the
> > >> CI
> > >> >> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible
> > licensing issues for
> > >> >> these components. And will we be able to release them
> > if the person in
> > >> >> charge of the release does not have access to the
> > closed source
> > >> libraries ?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to
> > rename the current
> > >> >> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply
> > re-import from the
> > >> current
> > >> >> google code repo.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> We could then sit down and move over the commits that
> > makes sense from
> > >> the
> > >> >> once that was done on github.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Comments ?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> // Pontus
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren
> > <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time
> > ago. However after
> > >> that
> > >> >>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more
> > commits and even
> > >> >>> releases where made from the Google code repo up
> > until the point where
> > >> >>> google shutdown there service.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk
> > that the code bases
> > >> has
> > >> >>> diverge.
> > >> >>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I
> > would be happy to
> > >> >>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google
> > code is synced to the
> > >> >>> github.com <http://github.com> repositories.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it
> > turns out that, at
> > >> >>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to
> > decide where and
> > >> what
> > >> >>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing
> > will be
> > >> automatically
> > >> >>> moved by apache infra.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Best regards
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Pontus
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen
> > <davidkarlsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
> > >> >>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>>:
> > >> >>>> > Hi JB
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is
> > going to move to
> > >> >>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you
> > already final descision
> > >> about
> > >> >>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev
> > about moving to SF but
> > >> the
> > >> >>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF.
> > As i have seen
> > >> Camel
> > >> >>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
> > >> >>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git
> > and I thought Camel
> > >> >>>> has already finished this process.
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> > Kindly regards
> > >> >>>> > Krzysztof
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> > >> >>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
> > >> >>>> >>
> > >> >>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done
> > some cleanups and
> > >> >>>> upgrades.
> > >> >>>> >>
> > >> >>>> >> Regards
> > >> >>>> >> JB
> > >> >>>> >>
> > >> >>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak
> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>> Hi
> > >> >>>> >>>
> > >> >>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to
> > Github? Have you done
> > >> it
> > >> >>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
> > >> >>>> >>>
> > >> >>>> >>> Regards
> > >> >>>> >>> Krzysztof
> > >> >>>> >>>
> > >> >>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a
> > real problem for
> > >> >>>> users of
> > >> >>>> >>>> the library.
> > >> >>>> >>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that
> > package name since
> > >> >>>> according
> > >> >>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev
> > mailinglist [1] it is up
> > >> to
> > >> >>>> each
> > >> >>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras
> > project should be
> > >> handled.
> > >> >>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel
> > Extras source code
> > >> >>>> should be
> > >> >>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to
> > keep the package
> > >> name
> > >> >>>> as is.
> > >> >>>> >>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>> [1]
> > >> >>>> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >> >>>> >>>> // Pontus
> > >> >>>> >>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
> > >> >>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > >> >>>> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance
> > from dev@community
> > >> >>>> regarding
> > >> >>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm
> > not convinced from
> > >> SF.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release
> > there, please check
> > >> with
> > >> >>>> the
> > >> >>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can
> > still use the name
> > >> "Camel
> > >> >>>> Extra"
> > >> >>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has
> > apache and camel
> > >> in
> > >> >>>> it),
> > >> >>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache
> > Extra anymore in
> > >> the
> > >> >>>> future,
> > >> >>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>> Best,
> > >> >>>> >>>>> Christian
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani"
> > <raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
> > >> >:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel
> > extras community
> > >> feels
> > >> >>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It
> > seems like the
> > >> joint
> > >> >>>> Apache
> > >> >>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated
> anyway.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there
> > and sharing our
> > >> >>>> concerns at
> > >> >>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we
> > dealt with this issue.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update
> > the links on the
> > >> >>>> Apache Camel
> > >> >>>> >>>>>> website.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren"
> > <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev
> > beginning this month[1] and
> > >> >>>> it seems
> > >> >>>> >>>>> to
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up
> > to the PMCs.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4]
> > I think we should
> > >> go
> > >> >>>> ahead
> > >> >>>> >>>>> and
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> [1]
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> [2]
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> [3]
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> [4]
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren
> > <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> > >> >
> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is
> > superior to what
> > >> SF
> > >> >>>> offers
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github)
> > for camel-extra I
> > >> >>>> don't
> > >> >>>> >>>>> think
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big
> > a deal.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
> > >> >>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
> > >> >>>> >>>>> )
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> > http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> > https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are
> > hosted on the main
> > >> camel
> > >> >>>> >>>>> project
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code
> > the only thing that
> > >> >>>> it was
> > >> >>>> >>>>> used
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific
> > documentation such
> > >> as
> > >> >>>> >>>>> release
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider
> > provides git, a simple
> > >> way of
> > >> >>>> >>>>> hosting
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good
> > uptime on the service
> > >> >>>> in my
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important
> > thing is that we
> > >> get
> > >> >>>> this
> > >> >>>> >>>>> up
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani
> > <raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
> > >> >
> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the
> > Apache Extras [1]
> > >> >>>> umbrella...
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the
> > point of grouping
> > >> all
> > >> >>>> >>>>> "extras"
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF
> > umbrella – I'm assuming
> > >> >>>> it's
> > >> >>>> >>>>> for
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> ASF
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely
> > doesn't serve a
> > >> technical
> > >> >>>> >>>>> reason
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> nor
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras
> > project is more
> > >> closely
> > >> >>>> >>>>> related
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> to
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras
> > project in ASF and (b)
> > >> the
> > >> >>>> roles
> > >> >>>> >>>>> in
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some
> > correlation with
> > >> the
> > >> >>>> roles
> > >> >>>> >>>>> at
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not
> > necessarily tied together,
> > >> i.e.
> > >> >>>> >>>>> there's
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> no
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in
> > camel-extras has to be a
> > >> >>>> committer
> > >> >>>> >>>>> in
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> [1]
> > https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob
> Davies <
> > >> >>>> rajdavies@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a
> > mass migration to
> > >> SF
> > >> >>>> - its
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want
> > multiple targets - so to
> > >> >>>> pick
> > >> >>>> >>>>> one
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes
> > sense. However its not
> > >> >>>> clear
> > >> >>>> >>>>> that
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> we
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why
> > we couldn’t just
> > >> move
> > >> >>>> it
> > >> >>>> >>>>> to
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren
> <
> > >> ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to
> > join the com-dev
> > >> mailing
> > >> >>>> >>>>> list
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> and
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on
> > that question :-)
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David
> Karlsen <
> > >> >>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor
> > NOËL" <
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> > <ma...@linagora.com>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem
> > with sourceforge?
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there
> > (such as a member of
> > >> an
> > >> >>>> >>>>> Apache
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take
> > the wrong decision?
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought
> > because after the
> > >> Gimp
> > >> >>>> >>>>> people
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> told
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things,
> > they actually insisted
> > >> >>>> >>>>> during
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a
> > écrit :
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last
> > resort. But the
> > >> Apache
> > >> >>>> >>>>> Extras
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF
> > and the consensus
> > >> >>>> seems
> > >> >>>> >>>>> to
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> point
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have
> > been my personal
> > >> >>>> >>>>> preference)
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> or
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer
> > | Enterprise
> > >> >>>> Architect,
> > >> >>>> >>>>> Open
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter:
> > @raulvk
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM,
> > Victor NOËL <
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> > <ma...@linagora.com>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure
> > sourceforge is a
> > >> good
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their
> > terrible behaviour by
> > >> >>>> >>>>> implanting
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers
> > available to download
> > >> there.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big
> > complain of the Gimp
> > >> project
> > >> >>>> >>>>> (that
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren
> > a écrit :
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers
> > in the current set
> > >> of
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue
> > maintaining the
> > >> project
> > >> >>>> >>>>> once
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> it
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> has
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is
> > the progress of
> > >> the SF
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk
> > Konsek <
> > >> >>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com <mailto:hekonsek@gmail.com
> >>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache
> > Extras projects are
> > >> being
> > >> >>>> >>>>> moved to
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a
> > volunteer willing
> > >> to
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> maintain
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38
> > użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com <mailto:
> ullgren@gmail.com>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates
> > on the comdev
> > >> mailing
> > >> >>>> list
> > >> >>>> >>>>> no.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to
> > Daniel Gruno (that
> > >> >>>> seems
> > >> >>>> >>>>> to be
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update
> > for camel-extra.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul
> > Kripalani <
> > >> >>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF
> > front about the
> > >> >>>> Apache
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> Extras
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new
> > releases of camel-extras
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> components...
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the
> > ComDev thread but
> > >> found no
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that
> > thread. Things tend to
> > >> get
> > >> >>>> >>>>> very
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly
> > marked conclusion
> > >> email.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member &
> > Committer | Enterprise
> > >> >>>> >>>>> Architect,
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net |
> > twitter: @raulvk
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56
> > AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com <mailto:
> ullgren@gmail.com>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems
> > that Daniel Gruno
> > >> is
> > >> >>>> the
> > >> >>>> >>>>> one
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>> in
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any
> > indication on the
> > >> >>>> progress
> > >> >>>> >>>>> or
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan
> > does NOT[2] seem to
> > >> >>>> be a
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev
> > decision.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move
> > this discussion to
> > >> the
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17
> > Christoph
> > >> Emmersberger <
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this
> > move is expected? We
> > >> >>>> have
> > >> >>>> >>>>> still
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
> > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Pontus,
It looks good. I'm upgrading to Camel 2.15.4 and so fixing components.
If we have to "maintain" 2.15.0 I will create a specific branch.
WDYT ?
Regards
JB
On 11/13/2015 10:47 PM, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> So now the repository should be back "online".
>
> I did a reimport of the google code repository and then rebased the
> changes in master, that was previously only in the github repo, on top
> of that.
> Hopefully I have not missed any commits.
>
> I had to disable the wmq (and the cis was disabled since before)
> components since they depend on artifacts that are not in any public
> repos. This was made intentionally.
>
> Jean-Baptist, Roman Martin, Stephen and Greg: Could you all please take
> a extra close look at make sure I have not missed any of your commits.
> If I have please forgive me and tell me so I can try to fix it. Or just
> recommit them and push :-)
>
> Thanks
> Pontus Ullgren
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 17:06 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> OK so the new imported repo was trashed I guess due to some forced push.
>
> I will make a new try to fix this later.
> Could you please wait with pushing commits for the time beeing.
>
> // Pontus
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 16:51 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> The camel-extra repo from google code has been reimported to a
> new repo on github.
> The previous import has been renamed to camel-extra-firstimport
> but I could not find any easy way to make it read only.
>
> What is left is to reapply the patches I will get onto that
> during the weekend.
>
> Best regards
> Pontus Ullgren
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 11:16 David Karlsen
> <davidkarlsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> That sounds good so we don't loose anything. Can I additionally
> suggest that the old repo get's closed/set readonly or
> something after
> the move so we don't end up here again?
> Keeping the mailinglist seems reasonable as extra will be
> very low
> traffic - and then easier to notice when using same
> communication
> channels etc
>
> 2015-11-11 9:43 GMT+01:00 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>:
> > Great,
> >
> > I would be happy to do this new migration (already have
> the privileges
> > needed on the github organisation).
> > However I will wait an additional 72h just to see if
> there are any
> > objections :-)
> >
> > // Pontus
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 09:40 Claus Ibsen
> <claus.ibsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with
> latest from
> >> google code, and then add those PR's commits that are
> extra on github
> >> today could be the way forward.
> >>
> >> As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we are
> sure we have
> >> all the bits that people are using today from the
> official releases.
> >>
> >> About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer
> to not
> >> duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this
> mailing list, and
> >> then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets. By
> using this
> >> mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge of
> the extra
> >> project. I dont think people bother to signup on endless
> number of
> >> mailing lists.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren
> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > Any thoughts or comments on this ?
> >> >
> >> > As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but
> since the latest
> >> > official release has been made from the google code
> repo I think it
> >> would
> >> > be best to treat this as the official repository and
> recreate the gihub
> >> > repo with a new import to from google code.
> >> >
> >> > Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue
> be handled on the
> >> > camel-extra mailing list instead ?
> >> >
> >> > Best regards
> >> > Pontus Ullgren
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren
> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> A short update.
> >> >> Looked through the commits in the google code repo
> and github and as a
> >> >> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits
> being done to both
> >> >> places.
> >> >>
> >> >> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for
> the master branch so
> >> >> that the result is something that is acceptable. I
> have yet to run tests
> >> >> and make sure things work as expected.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have not yet started looking into merging in the
> changes for the
> >> 2.13.x,
> >> >> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
> >> >>
> >> >> However looking at the commit in github it seems to
> mainly be the
> >> >> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ
> component. Both which I
> >> find a
> >> >> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra
> since they have
> >> >> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly
> accessible, and must be
> >> >> locally installed. So these will never be able to
> build and test in the
> >> CI
> >> >> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible
> licensing issues for
> >> >> these components. And will we be able to release them
> if the person in
> >> >> charge of the release does not have access to the
> closed source
> >> libraries ?
> >> >>
> >> >> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to
> rename the current
> >> >> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply
> re-import from the
> >> current
> >> >> google code repo.
> >> >>
> >> >> We could then sit down and move over the commits that
> makes sense from
> >> the
> >> >> once that was done on github.
> >> >>
> >> >> Comments ?
> >> >>
> >> >> // Pontus
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren
> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time
> ago. However after
> >> that
> >> >>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more
> commits and even
> >> >>> releases where made from the Google code repo up
> until the point where
> >> >>> google shutdown there service.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk
> that the code bases
> >> has
> >> >>> diverge.
> >> >>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I
> would be happy to
> >> >>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google
> code is synced to the
> >> >>> github.com <http://github.com> repositories.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it
> turns out that, at
> >> >>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to
> decide where and
> >> what
> >> >>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing
> will be
> >> automatically
> >> >>> moved by apache infra.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best regards
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Pontus
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen
> <davidkarlsen@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
> >> >>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>:
> >> >>>> > Hi JB
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is
> going to move to
> >> >>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you
> already final descision
> >> about
> >> >>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev
> about moving to SF but
> >> the
> >> >>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF.
> As i have seen
> >> Camel
> >> >>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
> >> >>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git
> and I thought Camel
> >> >>>> has already finished this process.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Kindly regards
> >> >>>> > Krzysztof
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> >> >>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done
> some cleanups and
> >> >>>> upgrades.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Regards
> >> >>>> >> JB
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
> >> >>>> >>> Hi
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to
> Github? Have you done
> >> it
> >> >>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> Regards
> >> >>>> >>> Krzysztof
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a
> real problem for
> >> >>>> users of
> >> >>>> >>>> the library.
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that
> package name since
> >> >>>> according
> >> >>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev
> mailinglist [1] it is up
> >> to
> >> >>>> each
> >> >>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras
> project should be
> >> handled.
> >> >>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel
> Extras source code
> >> >>>> should be
> >> >>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to
> keep the package
> >> name
> >> >>>> as is.
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>> [1]
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
> >> >>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >> >>>> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance
> from dev@community
> >> >>>> regarding
> >> >>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm
> not convinced from
> >> SF.
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release
> there, please check
> >> with
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can
> still use the name
> >> "Camel
> >> >>>> Extra"
> >> >>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has
> apache and camel
> >> in
> >> >>>> it),
> >> >>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache
> Extra anymore in
> >> the
> >> >>>> future,
> >> >>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> Best,
> >> >>>> >>>>> Christian
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani"
> <raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
> >> >:
> >> >>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel
> extras community
> >> feels
> >> >>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It
> seems like the
> >> joint
> >> >>>> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there
> and sharing our
> >> >>>> concerns at
> >> >>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we
> dealt with this issue.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update
> the links on the
> >> >>>> Apache Camel
> >> >>>> >>>>>> website.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
> >> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren"
> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev
> beginning this month[1] and
> >> >>>> it seems
> >> >>>> >>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up
> to the PMCs.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4]
> I think we should
> >> go
> >> >>>> ahead
> >> >>>> >>>>> and
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [1]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [2]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [3]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [4]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren
> <ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is
> superior to what
> >> SF
> >> >>>> offers
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github)
> for camel-extra I
> >> >>>> don't
> >> >>>> >>>>> think
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big
> a deal.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
> >> >>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
> >> >>>> >>>>> )
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are
> hosted on the main
> >> camel
> >> >>>> >>>>> project
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code
> the only thing that
> >> >>>> it was
> >> >>>> >>>>> used
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific
> documentation such
> >> as
> >> >>>> >>>>> release
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider
> provides git, a simple
> >> way of
> >> >>>> >>>>> hosting
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good
> uptime on the service
> >> >>>> in my
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important
> thing is that we
> >> get
> >> >>>> this
> >> >>>> >>>>> up
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani
> <raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
> >> >
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the
> Apache Extras [1]
> >> >>>> umbrella...
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the
> point of grouping
> >> all
> >> >>>> >>>>> "extras"
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF
> umbrella – I'm assuming
> >> >>>> it's
> >> >>>> >>>>> for
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> ASF
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely
> doesn't serve a
> >> technical
> >> >>>> >>>>> reason
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> nor
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras
> project is more
> >> closely
> >> >>>> >>>>> related
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras
> project in ASF and (b)
> >> the
> >> >>>> roles
> >> >>>> >>>>> in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some
> correlation with
> >> the
> >> >>>> roles
> >> >>>> >>>>> at
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not
> necessarily tied together,
> >> i.e.
> >> >>>> >>>>> there's
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> no
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in
> camel-extras has to be a
> >> >>>> committer
> >> >>>> >>>>> in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> [1]
> https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <
> >> >>>> rajdavies@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a
> mass migration to
> >> SF
> >> >>>> - its
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want
> multiple targets - so to
> >> >>>> pick
> >> >>>> >>>>> one
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes
> sense. However its not
> >> >>>> clear
> >> >>>> >>>>> that
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> we
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why
> we couldn’t just
> >> move
> >> >>>> it
> >> >>>> >>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <
> >> ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to
> join the com-dev
> >> mailing
> >> >>>> >>>>> list
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> and
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on
> that question :-)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
> >> >>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor
> NOËL" <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> <ma...@linagora.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem
> with sourceforge?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there
> (such as a member of
> >> an
> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take
> the wrong decision?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought
> because after the
> >> Gimp
> >> >>>> >>>>> people
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> told
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things,
> they actually insisted
> >> >>>> >>>>> during
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a
> écrit :
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last
> resort. But the
> >> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>> Extras
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF
> and the consensus
> >> >>>> seems
> >> >>>> >>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> point
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have
> been my personal
> >> >>>> >>>>> preference)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> or
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer
> | Enterprise
> >> >>>> Architect,
> >> >>>> >>>>> Open
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter:
> @raulvk
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM,
> Victor NOËL <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> <ma...@linagora.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure
> sourceforge is a
> >> good
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their
> terrible behaviour by
> >> >>>> >>>>> implanting
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers
> available to download
> >> there.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big
> complain of the Gimp
> >> project
> >> >>>> >>>>> (that
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren
> a écrit :
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers
> in the current set
> >> of
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue
> maintaining the
> >> project
> >> >>>> >>>>> once
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> it
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> has
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is
> the progress of
> >> the SF
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk
> Konsek <
> >> >>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache
> Extras projects are
> >> being
> >> >>>> >>>>> moved to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a
> volunteer willing
> >> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> maintain
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38
> użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates
> on the comdev
> >> mailing
> >> >>>> list
> >> >>>> >>>>> no.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to
> Daniel Gruno (that
> >> >>>> seems
> >> >>>> >>>>> to be
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update
> for camel-extra.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul
> Kripalani <
> >> >>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com <ma...@evosent.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF
> front about the
> >> >>>> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Extras
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new
> releases of camel-extras
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> components...
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the
> ComDev thread but
> >> found no
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that
> thread. Things tend to
> >> get
> >> >>>> >>>>> very
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly
> marked conclusion
> >> email.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member &
> Committer | Enterprise
> >> >>>> >>>>> Architect,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net |
> twitter: @raulvk
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56
> AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems
> that Daniel Gruno
> >> is
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>> one
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any
> indication on the
> >> >>>> progress
> >> >>>> >>>>> or
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan
> does NOT[2] seem to
> >> >>>> be a
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev
> decision.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move
> this discussion to
> >> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17
> Christoph
> >> Emmersberger <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this
> move is expected? We
> >> >>>> have
> >> >>>> >>>>> still
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54
> AM, Pontus Ullgren
> >> <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community
> development list
> >> shows
> >> >>>> >>>>> that it
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> will
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the
> rest of the apache
> >> >>>> extra.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus
> Ullgren <
> >> >>>> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on
> the dev list[1][2]
> >> >>>> and
> >> >>>> >>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not
> seem to be any
> >> >>>> >>>>> conclusion on
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> this
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim
> Dudgeon <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site
> is about to switch
> >> to
> >> >>>> read
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> only
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the
> Camel Extras stuff?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et
> gratuite d'OBM,
> >> >>>> développée
> >> >>>> >>>>> et
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en
> souscrivant à une
> >> offre
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ -
> http://www.linagora.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et
> gratuite d'OBM,
> >> >>>> développée
> >> >>>> >>>>> et
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> supportée
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en
> souscrivant à une
> >> offre
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ -
> http://www.linagora.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > --
> >> >>>> > Krzysztof Sobkowiak
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
> >> >>>> > Apache Software Foundation Member
> (http://apache.org/)
> >> >>>> > Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (
> >> >>>> http://servicemix.apache.org/)
> >> >>>> > Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (
> >> >>>> http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> David J. M. Karlsen -
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Claus Ibsen
> >> -----------------
> >> http://davsclaus.com @davsclaus
> >> Camel in Action 2: https://www.manning.com/ibsen2
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
So now the repository should be back "online".
I did a reimport of the google code repository and then rebased the changes
in master, that was previously only in the github repo, on top of that.
Hopefully I have not missed any commits.
I had to disable the wmq (and the cis was disabled since before) components
since they depend on artifacts that are not in any public repos. This was
made intentionally.
Jean-Baptist, Roman Martin, Stephen and Greg: Could you all please take a
extra close look at make sure I have not missed any of your commits.
If I have please forgive me and tell me so I can try to fix it. Or just
recommit them and push :-)
Thanks
Pontus Ullgren
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 17:06 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK so the new imported repo was trashed I guess due to some forced push.
>
> I will make a new try to fix this later.
> Could you please wait with pushing commits for the time beeing.
>
> // Pontus
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 16:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> The camel-extra repo from google code has been reimported to a new repo
>> on github.
>> The previous import has been renamed to camel-extra-firstimport but I
>> could not find any easy way to make it read only.
>>
>> What is left is to reapply the patches I will get onto that during the
>> weekend.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Pontus Ullgren
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 11:16 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds good so we don't loose anything. Can I additionally
>>> suggest that the old repo get's closed/set readonly or something after
>>> the move so we don't end up here again?
>>> Keeping the mailinglist seems reasonable as extra will be very low
>>> traffic - and then easier to notice when using same communication
>>> channels etc
>>>
>>> 2015-11-11 9:43 GMT+01:00 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>:
>>> > Great,
>>> >
>>> > I would be happy to do this new migration (already have the privileges
>>> > needed on the github organisation).
>>> > However I will wait an additional 72h just to see if there are any
>>> > objections :-)
>>> >
>>> > // Pontus
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 09:40 Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi
>>> >>
>>> >> Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with latest from
>>> >> google code, and then add those PR's commits that are extra on github
>>> >> today could be the way forward.
>>> >>
>>> >> As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we are sure we have
>>> >> all the bits that people are using today from the official releases.
>>> >>
>>> >> About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer to not
>>> >> duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this mailing list, and
>>> >> then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets. By using this
>>> >> mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge of the extra
>>> >> project. I dont think people bother to signup on endless number of
>>> >> mailing lists.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > Hello,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Any thoughts or comments on this ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but since the
>>> latest
>>> >> > official release has been made from the google code repo I think it
>>> >> would
>>> >> > be best to treat this as the official repository and recreate the
>>> gihub
>>> >> > repo with a new import to from google code.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue be handled on
>>> the
>>> >> > camel-extra mailing list instead ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Best regards
>>> >> > Pontus Ullgren
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> A short update.
>>> >> >> Looked through the commits in the google code repo and github and
>>> as a
>>> >> >> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits being done to
>>> both
>>> >> >> places.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for the master
>>> branch so
>>> >> >> that the result is something that is acceptable. I have yet to run
>>> tests
>>> >> >> and make sure things work as expected.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I have not yet started looking into merging in the changes for the
>>> >> 2.13.x,
>>> >> >> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> However looking at the commit in github it seems to mainly be the
>>> >> >> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ component. Both which
>>> I
>>> >> find a
>>> >> >> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra since they
>>> have
>>> >> >> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly accessible, and
>>> must be
>>> >> >> locally installed. So these will never be able to build and test
>>> in the
>>> >> CI
>>> >> >> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible licensing issues
>>> for
>>> >> >> these components. And will we be able to release them if the
>>> person in
>>> >> >> charge of the release does not have access to the closed source
>>> >> libraries ?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to rename the
>>> current
>>> >> >> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply re-import from the
>>> >> current
>>> >> >> google code repo.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We could then sit down and move over the commits that makes sense
>>> from
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> once that was done on github.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Comments ?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> // Pontus
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time ago. However
>>> after
>>> >> that
>>> >> >>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more commits and
>>> even
>>> >> >>> releases where made from the Google code repo up until the point
>>> where
>>> >> >>> google shutdown there service.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk that the code
>>> bases
>>> >> has
>>> >> >>> diverge.
>>> >> >>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I would be
>>> happy to
>>> >> >>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google code is synced
>>> to the
>>> >> >>> github.com repositories.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it turns out
>>> that, at
>>> >> >>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to decide where
>>> and
>>> >> what
>>> >> >>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing will be
>>> >> automatically
>>> >> >>> moved by apache infra.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Best regards
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Pontus
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
>>> >> >>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com>:
>>> >> >>>> > Hi JB
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move
>>> to
>>> >> >>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final
>>> descision
>>> >> about
>>> >> >>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to
>>> SF but
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have
>>> seen
>>> >> Camel
>>> >> >>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
>>> >> >>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought
>>> Camel
>>> >> >>>> has already finished this process.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > Kindly regards
>>> >> >>>> > Krzysztof
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups
>>> and
>>> >> >>>> upgrades.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Regards
>>> >> >>>> >> JB
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>> Hi
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you
>>> done
>>> >> it
>>> >> >>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> Regards
>>> >> >>>> >>> Krzysztof
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem
>>> for
>>> >> >>>> users of
>>> >> >>>> >>>> the library.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name
>>> since
>>> >> >>>> according
>>> >> >>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it
>>> is up
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>>> each
>>> >> >>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be
>>> >> handled.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source
>>> code
>>> >> >>>> should be
>>> >> >>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the
>>> package
>>> >> name
>>> >> >>>> as is.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> [1]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
>>> >> >>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from
>>> dev@community
>>> >> >>>> regarding
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced
>>> from
>>> >> SF.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please
>>> check
>>> >> with
>>> >> >>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name
>>> >> "Camel
>>> >> >>>> Extra"
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and
>>> camel
>>> >> in
>>> >> >>>> it),
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra
>>> anymore in
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> future,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Best,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Christian
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <
>>> raul@evosent.com
>>> >> >:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras
>>> community
>>> >> feels
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the
>>> >> joint
>>> >> >>>> Apache
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our
>>> >> >>>> concerns at
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this
>>> issue.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on
>>> the
>>> >> >>>> Apache Camel
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> website.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this
>>> month[1] and
>>> >> >>>> it seems
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we
>>> should
>>> >> go
>>> >> >>>> ahead
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> and
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [1]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [2]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [3]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [4]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <
>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to
>>> what
>>> >> SF
>>> >> >>>> offers
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for
>>> camel-extra I
>>> >> >>>> don't
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> think
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> )
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the
>>> main
>>> >> camel
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only
>>> thing that
>>> >> >>>> it was
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> used
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation
>>> such
>>> >> as
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> release
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a
>>> simple
>>> >> way of
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> hosting
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the
>>> service
>>> >> >>>> in my
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is
>>> that we
>>> >> get
>>> >> >>>> this
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> up
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <
>>> raul@evosent.com
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1]
>>> >> >>>> umbrella...
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of
>>> grouping
>>> >> all
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> "extras"
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm
>>> assuming
>>> >> >>>> it's
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> for
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> ASF
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a
>>> >> technical
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> reason
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> nor
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more
>>> >> closely
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> related
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and
>>> (b)
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> roles
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation
>>> with
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> roles
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> at
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied
>>> together,
>>> >> i.e.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> there's
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> no
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be
>>> a
>>> >> >>>> committer
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> [1]
>>> https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <
>>> >> >>>> rajdavies@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass
>>> migration to
>>> >> SF
>>> >> >>>> - its
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets -
>>> so to
>>> >> >>>> pick
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> one
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However
>>> its not
>>> >> >>>> clear
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> that
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> we
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t
>>> just
>>> >> move
>>> >> >>>> it
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <
>>> >> ullgren@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev
>>> >> mailing
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> list
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> and
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with
>>> sourceforge?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a
>>> member of
>>> >> an
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong
>>> decision?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after
>>> the
>>> >> Gimp
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> people
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> told
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually
>>> insisted
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> during
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the
>>> >> Apache
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Extras
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the
>>> consensus
>>> >> >>>> seems
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> point
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my
>>> personal
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> preference)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> or
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>>> >> >>>> Architect,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Open
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge
>>> is a
>>> >> good
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible
>>> behaviour by
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> implanting
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download
>>> >> there.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp
>>> >> project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> (that
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current
>>> set
>>> >> of
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the
>>> >> project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> once
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> it
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> has
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress
>>> of
>>> >> the SF
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are
>>> >> being
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> moved to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer
>>> willing
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> maintain
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus
>>> Ullgren <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev
>>> >> mailing
>>> >> >>>> list
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> no.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno
>>> (that
>>> >> >>>> seems
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> to be
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for
>>> camel-extra.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about
>>> the
>>> >> >>>> Apache
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Extras
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of
>>> camel-extras
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> components...
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but
>>> >> found no
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things
>>> tend to
>>> >> get
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> very
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked
>>> conclusion
>>> >> email.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer |
>>> Enterprise
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Architect,
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus
>>> Ullgren <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel
>>> Gruno
>>> >> is
>>> >> >>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> one
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the
>>> >> >>>> progress
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> or
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2]
>>> seem to
>>> >> >>>> be a
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this
>>> discussion to
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph
>>> >> Emmersberger <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is
>>> expected? We
>>> >> >>>> have
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> still
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus
>>> Ullgren
>>> >> <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development
>>> list
>>> >> shows
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> that it
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> will
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the
>>> apache
>>> >> >>>> extra.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev
>>> list[1][2]
>>> >> >>>> and
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be
>>> any
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> conclusion on
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> this
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to
>>> switch
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>>> read
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> only
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras
>>> stuff?
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
>>> >> >>>> développée
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> et
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à
>>> une
>>> >> offre
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
>>> >> >>>> développée
>>> >> >>>> >>>>> et
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> supportée
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une
>>> >> offre
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > --
>>> >> >>>> > Krzysztof Sobkowiak
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
>>> >> >>>> > Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/)
>>> >> >>>> > Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (
>>> >> >>>> http://servicemix.apache.org/)
>>> >> >>>> > Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (
>>> >> >>>> http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> --
>>> >> >>>> --
>>> >> >>>> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Claus Ibsen
>>> >> -----------------
>>> >> http://davsclaus.com @davsclaus
>>> >> Camel in Action 2: https://www.manning.com/ibsen2
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>>>
>>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
OK so the new imported repo was trashed I guess due to some forced push.
I will make a new try to fix this later.
Could you please wait with pushing commits for the time beeing.
// Pontus
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 at 16:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> The camel-extra repo from google code has been reimported to a new repo on
> github.
> The previous import has been renamed to camel-extra-firstimport but I
> could not find any easy way to make it read only.
>
> What is left is to reapply the patches I will get onto that during the
> weekend.
>
> Best regards
> Pontus Ullgren
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 11:16 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That sounds good so we don't loose anything. Can I additionally
>> suggest that the old repo get's closed/set readonly or something after
>> the move so we don't end up here again?
>> Keeping the mailinglist seems reasonable as extra will be very low
>> traffic - and then easier to notice when using same communication
>> channels etc
>>
>> 2015-11-11 9:43 GMT+01:00 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>:
>> > Great,
>> >
>> > I would be happy to do this new migration (already have the privileges
>> > needed on the github organisation).
>> > However I will wait an additional 72h just to see if there are any
>> > objections :-)
>> >
>> > // Pontus
>> >
>> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 09:40 Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with latest from
>> >> google code, and then add those PR's commits that are extra on github
>> >> today could be the way forward.
>> >>
>> >> As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we are sure we have
>> >> all the bits that people are using today from the official releases.
>> >>
>> >> About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer to not
>> >> duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this mailing list, and
>> >> then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets. By using this
>> >> mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge of the extra
>> >> project. I dont think people bother to signup on endless number of
>> >> mailing lists.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > Hello,
>> >> >
>> >> > Any thoughts or comments on this ?
>> >> >
>> >> > As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but since the latest
>> >> > official release has been made from the google code repo I think it
>> >> would
>> >> > be best to treat this as the official repository and recreate the
>> gihub
>> >> > repo with a new import to from google code.
>> >> >
>> >> > Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue be handled on
>> the
>> >> > camel-extra mailing list instead ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Best regards
>> >> > Pontus Ullgren
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> A short update.
>> >> >> Looked through the commits in the google code repo and github and
>> as a
>> >> >> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits being done to
>> both
>> >> >> places.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for the master
>> branch so
>> >> >> that the result is something that is acceptable. I have yet to run
>> tests
>> >> >> and make sure things work as expected.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have not yet started looking into merging in the changes for the
>> >> 2.13.x,
>> >> >> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However looking at the commit in github it seems to mainly be the
>> >> >> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ component. Both which I
>> >> find a
>> >> >> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra since they have
>> >> >> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly accessible, and
>> must be
>> >> >> locally installed. So these will never be able to build and test in
>> the
>> >> CI
>> >> >> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible licensing issues
>> for
>> >> >> these components. And will we be able to release them if the person
>> in
>> >> >> charge of the release does not have access to the closed source
>> >> libraries ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to rename the
>> current
>> >> >> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply re-import from the
>> >> current
>> >> >> google code repo.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We could then sit down and move over the commits that makes sense
>> from
>> >> the
>> >> >> once that was done on github.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Comments ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> // Pontus
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time ago. However
>> after
>> >> that
>> >> >>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more commits and
>> even
>> >> >>> releases where made from the Google code repo up until the point
>> where
>> >> >>> google shutdown there service.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk that the code
>> bases
>> >> has
>> >> >>> diverge.
>> >> >>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I would be
>> happy to
>> >> >>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google code is synced
>> to the
>> >> >>> github.com repositories.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it turns out that,
>> at
>> >> >>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to decide where
>> and
>> >> what
>> >> >>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing will be
>> >> automatically
>> >> >>> moved by apache infra.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Best regards
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Pontus
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
>> >> >>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com>:
>> >> >>>> > Hi JB
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to
>> >> >>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final
>> descision
>> >> about
>> >> >>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF
>> but
>> >> the
>> >> >>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen
>> >> Camel
>> >> >>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
>> >> >>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought
>> Camel
>> >> >>>> has already finished this process.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Kindly regards
>> >> >>>> > Krzysztof
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups
>> and
>> >> >>>> upgrades.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Regards
>> >> >>>> >> JB
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>> Hi
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you
>> done
>> >> it
>> >> >>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>> Regards
>> >> >>>> >>> Krzysztof
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem
>> for
>> >> >>>> users of
>> >> >>>> >>>> the library.
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name
>> since
>> >> >>>> according
>> >> >>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is
>> up
>> >> to
>> >> >>>> each
>> >> >>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be
>> >> handled.
>> >> >>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code
>> >> >>>> should be
>> >> >>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package
>> >> name
>> >> >>>> as is.
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>> [1]
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >> >>>> >>>> // Pontus
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
>> >> >>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from
>> dev@community
>> >> >>>> regarding
>> >> >>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced
>> from
>> >> SF.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please
>> check
>> >> with
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name
>> >> "Camel
>> >> >>>> Extra"
>> >> >>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and
>> camel
>> >> in
>> >> >>>> it),
>> >> >>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >>>> future,
>> >> >>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>> Best,
>> >> >>>> >>>>> Christian
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <
>> raul@evosent.com
>> >> >:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community
>> >> feels
>> >> >>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the
>> >> joint
>> >> >>>> Apache
>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our
>> >> >>>> concerns at
>> >> >>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this
>> issue.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on
>> the
>> >> >>>> Apache Camel
>> >> >>>> >>>>>> website.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this
>> month[1] and
>> >> >>>> it seems
>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we
>> should
>> >> go
>> >> >>>> ahead
>> >> >>>> >>>>> and
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [1]
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [2]
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [3]
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [4]
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <
>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to
>> what
>> >> SF
>> >> >>>> offers
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for
>> camel-extra I
>> >> >>>> don't
>> >> >>>> >>>>> think
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>> >> >>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>> >> >>>> >>>>> )
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the
>> main
>> >> camel
>> >> >>>> >>>>> project
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing
>> that
>> >> >>>> it was
>> >> >>>> >>>>> used
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation
>> such
>> >> as
>> >> >>>> >>>>> release
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple
>> >> way of
>> >> >>>> >>>>> hosting
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the
>> service
>> >> >>>> in my
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that
>> we
>> >> get
>> >> >>>> this
>> >> >>>> >>>>> up
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <
>> raul@evosent.com
>> >> >
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1]
>> >> >>>> umbrella...
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of
>> grouping
>> >> all
>> >> >>>> >>>>> "extras"
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm
>> assuming
>> >> >>>> it's
>> >> >>>> >>>>> for
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> ASF
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a
>> >> technical
>> >> >>>> >>>>> reason
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> nor
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more
>> >> closely
>> >> >>>> >>>>> related
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> to
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and
>> (b)
>> >> the
>> >> >>>> roles
>> >> >>>> >>>>> in
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation
>> with
>> >> the
>> >> >>>> roles
>> >> >>>> >>>>> at
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied
>> together,
>> >> i.e.
>> >> >>>> >>>>> there's
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> no
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a
>> >> >>>> committer
>> >> >>>> >>>>> in
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <
>> >> >>>> rajdavies@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration
>> to
>> >> SF
>> >> >>>> - its
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets -
>> so to
>> >> >>>> pick
>> >> >>>> >>>>> one
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its
>> not
>> >> >>>> clear
>> >> >>>> >>>>> that
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> we
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t
>> just
>> >> move
>> >> >>>> it
>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <
>> >> ullgren@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev
>> >> mailing
>> >> >>>> >>>>> list
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>> >> >>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member
>> of
>> >> an
>> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong
>> decision?
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after
>> the
>> >> Gimp
>> >> >>>> >>>>> people
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> told
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually
>> insisted
>> >> >>>> >>>>> during
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the
>> >> Apache
>> >> >>>> >>>>> Extras
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the
>> consensus
>> >> >>>> seems
>> >> >>>> >>>>> to
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> point
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my
>> personal
>> >> >>>> >>>>> preference)
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> or
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>> >> >>>> Architect,
>> >> >>>> >>>>> Open
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge
>> is a
>> >> good
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour
>> by
>> >> >>>> >>>>> implanting
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download
>> >> there.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp
>> >> project
>> >> >>>> >>>>> (that
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current
>> set
>> >> of
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the
>> >> project
>> >> >>>> >>>>> once
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> it
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> has
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of
>> >> the SF
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>> >> >>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are
>> >> being
>> >> >>>> >>>>> moved to
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer
>> willing
>> >> to
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> maintain
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus
>> Ullgren <
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev
>> >> mailing
>> >> >>>> list
>> >> >>>> >>>>> no.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno
>> (that
>> >> >>>> seems
>> >> >>>> >>>>> to be
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for
>> camel-extra.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>> >> >>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about
>> the
>> >> >>>> Apache
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Extras
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of
>> camel-extras
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> components...
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but
>> >> found no
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things
>> tend to
>> >> get
>> >> >>>> >>>>> very
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion
>> >> email.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer |
>> Enterprise
>> >> >>>> >>>>> Architect,
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus
>> Ullgren <
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel
>> Gruno
>> >> is
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> >>>>> one
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the
>> >> >>>> progress
>> >> >>>> >>>>> or
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2]
>> seem to
>> >> >>>> be a
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this
>> discussion to
>> >> the
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph
>> >> Emmersberger <
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is
>> expected? We
>> >> >>>> have
>> >> >>>> >>>>> still
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus
>> Ullgren
>> >> <
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list
>> >> shows
>> >> >>>> >>>>> that it
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> will
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the
>> apache
>> >> >>>> extra.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>> >> >>>> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev
>> list[1][2]
>> >> >>>> and
>> >> >>>> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>> >> >>>> >>>>> conclusion on
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> this
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>> >> >>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to
>> switch
>> >> to
>> >> >>>> read
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> only
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras
>> stuff?
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
>> >> >>>> développée
>> >> >>>> >>>>> et
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à
>> une
>> >> offre
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
>> >> >>>> développée
>> >> >>>> >>>>> et
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> supportée
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une
>> >> offre
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > --
>> >> >>>> > Krzysztof Sobkowiak
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
>> >> >>>> > Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/)
>> >> >>>> > Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (
>> >> >>>> http://servicemix.apache.org/)
>> >> >>>> > Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (
>> >> >>>> http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> --
>> >> >>>> --
>> >> >>>> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Claus Ibsen
>> >> -----------------
>> >> http://davsclaus.com @davsclaus
>> >> Camel in Action 2: https://www.manning.com/ibsen2
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>>
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Hello.
The camel-extra repo from google code has been reimported to a new repo on
github.
The previous import has been renamed to camel-extra-firstimport but I could
not find any easy way to make it read only.
What is left is to reapply the patches I will get onto that during the
weekend.
Best regards
Pontus Ullgren
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 11:16 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That sounds good so we don't loose anything. Can I additionally
> suggest that the old repo get's closed/set readonly or something after
> the move so we don't end up here again?
> Keeping the mailinglist seems reasonable as extra will be very low
> traffic - and then easier to notice when using same communication
> channels etc
>
> 2015-11-11 9:43 GMT+01:00 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>:
> > Great,
> >
> > I would be happy to do this new migration (already have the privileges
> > needed on the github organisation).
> > However I will wait an additional 72h just to see if there are any
> > objections :-)
> >
> > // Pontus
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 09:40 Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with latest from
> >> google code, and then add those PR's commits that are extra on github
> >> today could be the way forward.
> >>
> >> As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we are sure we have
> >> all the bits that people are using today from the official releases.
> >>
> >> About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer to not
> >> duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this mailing list, and
> >> then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets. By using this
> >> mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge of the extra
> >> project. I dont think people bother to signup on endless number of
> >> mailing lists.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > Any thoughts or comments on this ?
> >> >
> >> > As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but since the latest
> >> > official release has been made from the google code repo I think it
> >> would
> >> > be best to treat this as the official repository and recreate the
> gihub
> >> > repo with a new import to from google code.
> >> >
> >> > Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue be handled on the
> >> > camel-extra mailing list instead ?
> >> >
> >> > Best regards
> >> > Pontus Ullgren
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> A short update.
> >> >> Looked through the commits in the google code repo and github and as
> a
> >> >> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits being done to
> both
> >> >> places.
> >> >>
> >> >> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for the master
> branch so
> >> >> that the result is something that is acceptable. I have yet to run
> tests
> >> >> and make sure things work as expected.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have not yet started looking into merging in the changes for the
> >> 2.13.x,
> >> >> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
> >> >>
> >> >> However looking at the commit in github it seems to mainly be the
> >> >> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ component. Both which I
> >> find a
> >> >> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra since they have
> >> >> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly accessible, and must
> be
> >> >> locally installed. So these will never be able to build and test in
> the
> >> CI
> >> >> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible licensing issues
> for
> >> >> these components. And will we be able to release them if the person
> in
> >> >> charge of the release does not have access to the closed source
> >> libraries ?
> >> >>
> >> >> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to rename the
> current
> >> >> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply re-import from the
> >> current
> >> >> google code repo.
> >> >>
> >> >> We could then sit down and move over the commits that makes sense
> from
> >> the
> >> >> once that was done on github.
> >> >>
> >> >> Comments ?
> >> >>
> >> >> // Pontus
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time ago. However after
> >> that
> >> >>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more commits and even
> >> >>> releases where made from the Google code repo up until the point
> where
> >> >>> google shutdown there service.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk that the code
> bases
> >> has
> >> >>> diverge.
> >> >>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I would be happy
> to
> >> >>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google code is synced to
> the
> >> >>> github.com repositories.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it turns out that,
> at
> >> >>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to decide where and
> >> what
> >> >>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing will be
> >> automatically
> >> >>> moved by apache infra.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best regards
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Pontus
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
> >> >>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com>:
> >> >>>> > Hi JB
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to
> >> >>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final
> descision
> >> about
> >> >>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF
> but
> >> the
> >> >>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen
> >> Camel
> >> >>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
> >> >>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought
> Camel
> >> >>>> has already finished this process.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Kindly regards
> >> >>>> > Krzysztof
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> >> >>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups
> and
> >> >>>> upgrades.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Regards
> >> >>>> >> JB
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
> >> >>>> >>> Hi
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you
> done
> >> it
> >> >>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> Regards
> >> >>>> >>> Krzysztof
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem
> for
> >> >>>> users of
> >> >>>> >>>> the library.
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name
> since
> >> >>>> according
> >> >>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is
> up
> >> to
> >> >>>> each
> >> >>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be
> >> handled.
> >> >>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code
> >> >>>> should be
> >> >>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package
> >> name
> >> >>>> as is.
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>> [1]
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
> >> >>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from
> dev@community
> >> >>>> regarding
> >> >>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced
> from
> >> SF.
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check
> >> with
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name
> >> "Camel
> >> >>>> Extra"
> >> >>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and
> camel
> >> in
> >> >>>> it),
> >> >>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore
> in
> >> the
> >> >>>> future,
> >> >>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> Best,
> >> >>>> >>>>> Christian
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <
> raul@evosent.com
> >> >:
> >> >>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community
> >> feels
> >> >>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the
> >> joint
> >> >>>> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our
> >> >>>> concerns at
> >> >>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this
> issue.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the
> >> >>>> Apache Camel
> >> >>>> >>>>>> website.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
> >> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1]
> and
> >> >>>> it seems
> >> >>>> >>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we
> should
> >> go
> >> >>>> ahead
> >> >>>> >>>>> and
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [1]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [2]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [3]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> [4]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <
> ullgren@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to
> what
> >> SF
> >> >>>> offers
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for
> camel-extra I
> >> >>>> don't
> >> >>>> >>>>> think
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
> >> >>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
> >> >>>> >>>>> )
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main
> >> camel
> >> >>>> >>>>> project
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing
> that
> >> >>>> it was
> >> >>>> >>>>> used
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation
> such
> >> as
> >> >>>> >>>>> release
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple
> >> way of
> >> >>>> >>>>> hosting
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the
> service
> >> >>>> in my
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that
> we
> >> get
> >> >>>> this
> >> >>>> >>>>> up
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <
> raul@evosent.com
> >> >
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1]
> >> >>>> umbrella...
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of
> grouping
> >> all
> >> >>>> >>>>> "extras"
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm
> assuming
> >> >>>> it's
> >> >>>> >>>>> for
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> ASF
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a
> >> technical
> >> >>>> >>>>> reason
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> nor
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more
> >> closely
> >> >>>> >>>>> related
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and
> (b)
> >> the
> >> >>>> roles
> >> >>>> >>>>> in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with
> >> the
> >> >>>> roles
> >> >>>> >>>>> at
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together,
> >> i.e.
> >> >>>> >>>>> there's
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> no
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a
> >> >>>> committer
> >> >>>> >>>>> in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <
> >> >>>> rajdavies@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration
> to
> >> SF
> >> >>>> - its
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so
> to
> >> >>>> pick
> >> >>>> >>>>> one
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its
> not
> >> >>>> clear
> >> >>>> >>>>> that
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> we
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just
> >> move
> >> >>>> it
> >> >>>> >>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <
> >> ullgren@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev
> >> mailing
> >> >>>> >>>>> list
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> and
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
> >> >>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member
> of
> >> an
> >> >>>> >>>>> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong
> decision?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the
> >> Gimp
> >> >>>> >>>>> people
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> told
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually
> insisted
> >> >>>> >>>>> during
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the
> >> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>> Extras
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the
> consensus
> >> >>>> seems
> >> >>>> >>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> point
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my
> personal
> >> >>>> >>>>> preference)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> or
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
> >> >>>> Architect,
> >> >>>> >>>>> Open
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is
> a
> >> good
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour
> by
> >> >>>> >>>>> implanting
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download
> >> there.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp
> >> project
> >> >>>> >>>>> (that
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current
> set
> >> of
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the
> >> project
> >> >>>> >>>>> once
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> it
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> has
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of
> >> the SF
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
> >> >>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are
> >> being
> >> >>>> >>>>> moved to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer
> willing
> >> to
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> maintain
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus
> Ullgren <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev
> >> mailing
> >> >>>> list
> >> >>>> >>>>> no.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno
> (that
> >> >>>> seems
> >> >>>> >>>>> to be
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
> >> >>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the
> >> >>>> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> Extras
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of
> camel-extras
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> components...
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but
> >> found no
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend
> to
> >> get
> >> >>>> >>>>> very
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion
> >> email.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer |
> Enterprise
> >> >>>> >>>>> Architect,
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus
> Ullgren <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel
> Gruno
> >> is
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>> one
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the
> >> >>>> progress
> >> >>>> >>>>> or
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2]
> seem to
> >> >>>> be a
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion
> to
> >> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph
> >> Emmersberger <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected?
> We
> >> >>>> have
> >> >>>> >>>>> still
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus
> Ullgren
> >> <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list
> >> shows
> >> >>>> >>>>> that it
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> will
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the
> apache
> >> >>>> extra.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
> >> >>>> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev
> list[1][2]
> >> >>>> and
> >> >>>> >>>>> the
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
> >> >>>> >>>>> conclusion on
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> this
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
> >> >>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to
> switch
> >> to
> >> >>>> read
> >> >>>> >>>>>>> only
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras
> stuff?
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
> >> >>>> développée
> >> >>>> >>>>> et
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une
> >> offre
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
> >> >>>> développée
> >> >>>> >>>>> et
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> supportée
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une
> >> offre
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > --
> >> >>>> > Krzysztof Sobkowiak
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
> >> >>>> > Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/)
> >> >>>> > Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (
> >> >>>> http://servicemix.apache.org/)
> >> >>>> > Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (
> >> >>>> http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Claus Ibsen
> >> -----------------
> >> http://davsclaus.com @davsclaus
> >> Camel in Action 2: https://www.manning.com/ibsen2
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>.
That sounds good so we don't loose anything. Can I additionally
suggest that the old repo get's closed/set readonly or something after
the move so we don't end up here again?
Keeping the mailinglist seems reasonable as extra will be very low
traffic - and then easier to notice when using same communication
channels etc
2015-11-11 9:43 GMT+01:00 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>:
> Great,
>
> I would be happy to do this new migration (already have the privileges
> needed on the github organisation).
> However I will wait an additional 72h just to see if there are any
> objections :-)
>
> // Pontus
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 09:40 Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with latest from
>> google code, and then add those PR's commits that are extra on github
>> today could be the way forward.
>>
>> As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we are sure we have
>> all the bits that people are using today from the official releases.
>>
>> About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer to not
>> duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this mailing list, and
>> then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets. By using this
>> mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge of the extra
>> project. I dont think people bother to signup on endless number of
>> mailing lists.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Any thoughts or comments on this ?
>> >
>> > As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but since the latest
>> > official release has been made from the google code repo I think it
>> would
>> > be best to treat this as the official repository and recreate the gihub
>> > repo with a new import to from google code.
>> >
>> > Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue be handled on the
>> > camel-extra mailing list instead ?
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > Pontus Ullgren
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A short update.
>> >> Looked through the commits in the google code repo and github and as a
>> >> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits being done to both
>> >> places.
>> >>
>> >> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for the master branch so
>> >> that the result is something that is acceptable. I have yet to run tests
>> >> and make sure things work as expected.
>> >>
>> >> I have not yet started looking into merging in the changes for the
>> 2.13.x,
>> >> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
>> >>
>> >> However looking at the commit in github it seems to mainly be the
>> >> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ component. Both which I
>> find a
>> >> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra since they have
>> >> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly accessible, and must be
>> >> locally installed. So these will never be able to build and test in the
>> CI
>> >> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible licensing issues for
>> >> these components. And will we be able to release them if the person in
>> >> charge of the release does not have access to the closed source
>> libraries ?
>> >>
>> >> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to rename the current
>> >> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply re-import from the
>> current
>> >> google code repo.
>> >>
>> >> We could then sit down and move over the commits that makes sense from
>> the
>> >> once that was done on github.
>> >>
>> >> Comments ?
>> >>
>> >> // Pontus
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time ago. However after
>> that
>> >>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more commits and even
>> >>> releases where made from the Google code repo up until the point where
>> >>> google shutdown there service.
>> >>>
>> >>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk that the code bases
>> has
>> >>> diverge.
>> >>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I would be happy to
>> >>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google code is synced to the
>> >>> github.com repositories.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it turns out that, at
>> >>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to decide where and
>> what
>> >>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing will be
>> automatically
>> >>> moved by apache infra.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Pontus
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
>> >>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> > Hi JB
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to
>> >>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final descision
>> about
>> >>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF but
>> the
>> >>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen
>> Camel
>> >>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
>> >>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought Camel
>> >>>> has already finished this process.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Kindly regards
>> >>>> > Krzysztof
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> >>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and
>> >>>> upgrades.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Regards
>> >>>> >> JB
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>> >>>> >>> Hi
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done
>> it
>> >>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Regards
>> >>>> >>> Krzysztof
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>> >>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for
>> >>>> users of
>> >>>> >>>> the library.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since
>> >>>> according
>> >>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up
>> to
>> >>>> each
>> >>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be
>> handled.
>> >>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code
>> >>>> should be
>> >>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package
>> name
>> >>>> as is.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> [1]
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >>>> >>>> // Pontus
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
>> >>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community
>> >>>> regarding
>> >>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from
>> SF.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check
>> with
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name
>> "Camel
>> >>>> Extra"
>> >>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel
>> in
>> >>>> it),
>> >>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in
>> the
>> >>>> future,
>> >>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> Best,
>> >>>> >>>>> Christian
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <raul@evosent.com
>> >:
>> >>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community
>> feels
>> >>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the
>> joint
>> >>>> Apache
>> >>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our
>> >>>> concerns at
>> >>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the
>> >>>> Apache Camel
>> >>>> >>>>>> website.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
>> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and
>> >>>> it seems
>> >>>> >>>>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should
>> go
>> >>>> ahead
>> >>>> >>>>> and
>> >>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
>> >>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >>>> >>>>>>> [2]
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >>>> >>>>>>> [3]
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>> >>>> >>>>>>> [4]
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what
>> SF
>> >>>> offers
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I
>> >>>> don't
>> >>>> >>>>> think
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>> >>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>> >>>> >>>>> )
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main
>> camel
>> >>>> >>>>> project
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that
>> >>>> it was
>> >>>> >>>>> used
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such
>> as
>> >>>> >>>>> release
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple
>> way of
>> >>>> >>>>> hosting
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service
>> >>>> in my
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we
>> get
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> >>>>> up
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <raul@evosent.com
>> >
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1]
>> >>>> umbrella...
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping
>> all
>> >>>> >>>>> "extras"
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming
>> >>>> it's
>> >>>> >>>>> for
>> >>>> >>>>>>> ASF
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a
>> technical
>> >>>> >>>>> reason
>> >>>> >>>>>>> nor
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more
>> closely
>> >>>> >>>>> related
>> >>>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b)
>> the
>> >>>> roles
>> >>>> >>>>> in
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with
>> the
>> >>>> roles
>> >>>> >>>>> at
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together,
>> i.e.
>> >>>> >>>>> there's
>> >>>> >>>>>>> no
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a
>> >>>> committer
>> >>>> >>>>> in
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <
>> >>>> rajdavies@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to
>> SF
>> >>>> - its
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to
>> >>>> pick
>> >>>> >>>>> one
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not
>> >>>> clear
>> >>>> >>>>> that
>> >>>> >>>>>>> we
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just
>> move
>> >>>> it
>> >>>> >>>>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <
>> ullgren@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev
>> mailing
>> >>>> >>>>> list
>> >>>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>> >>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>> >>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of
>> an
>> >>>> >>>>> Apache
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the
>> Gimp
>> >>>> >>>>> people
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> told
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
>> >>>> >>>>> during
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the
>> Apache
>> >>>> >>>>> Extras
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus
>> >>>> seems
>> >>>> >>>>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> point
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
>> >>>> >>>>> preference)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> or
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>> >>>> Architect,
>> >>>> >>>>> Open
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a
>> good
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
>> >>>> >>>>> implanting
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download
>> there.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp
>> project
>> >>>> >>>>> (that
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set
>> of
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the
>> project
>> >>>> >>>>> once
>> >>>> >>>>>>> it
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> has
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of
>> the SF
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>> >>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are
>> being
>> >>>> >>>>> moved to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing
>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>>> maintain
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev
>> mailing
>> >>>> list
>> >>>> >>>>> no.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that
>> >>>> seems
>> >>>> >>>>> to be
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>> >>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the
>> >>>> Apache
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Extras
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
>> >>>> >>>>>>> components...
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but
>> found no
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to
>> get
>> >>>> >>>>> very
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion
>> email.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>> >>>> >>>>> Architect,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno
>> is
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>> one
>> >>>> >>>>>>> in
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the
>> >>>> progress
>> >>>> >>>>> or
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to
>> >>>> be a
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to
>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph
>> Emmersberger <
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We
>> >>>> have
>> >>>> >>>>> still
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren
>> <
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list
>> shows
>> >>>> >>>>> that it
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache
>> >>>> extra.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>> >>>> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2]
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> >>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>> >>>> >>>>> conclusion on
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> this
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch
>> to
>> >>>> read
>> >>>> >>>>>>> only
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
>> >>>> développée
>> >>>> >>>>> et
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une
>> offre
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
>> >>>> développée
>> >>>> >>>>> et
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> supportée
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une
>> offre
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > Krzysztof Sobkowiak
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
>> >>>> > Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/)
>> >>>> > Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (
>> >>>> http://servicemix.apache.org/)
>> >>>> > Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (
>> >>>> http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Claus Ibsen
>> -----------------
>> http://davsclaus.com @davsclaus
>> Camel in Action 2: https://www.manning.com/ibsen2
>>
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Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Great,
I would be happy to do this new migration (already have the privileges
needed on the github organisation).
However I will wait an additional 72h just to see if there are any
objections :-)
// Pontus
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 at 09:40 Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with latest from
> google code, and then add those PR's commits that are extra on github
> today could be the way forward.
>
> As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we are sure we have
> all the bits that people are using today from the official releases.
>
> About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer to not
> duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this mailing list, and
> then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets. By using this
> mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge of the extra
> project. I dont think people bother to signup on endless number of
> mailing lists.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Any thoughts or comments on this ?
> >
> > As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but since the latest
> > official release has been made from the google code repo I think it
> would
> > be best to treat this as the official repository and recreate the gihub
> > repo with a new import to from google code.
> >
> > Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue be handled on the
> > camel-extra mailing list instead ?
> >
> > Best regards
> > Pontus Ullgren
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A short update.
> >> Looked through the commits in the google code repo and github and as a
> >> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits being done to both
> >> places.
> >>
> >> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for the master branch so
> >> that the result is something that is acceptable. I have yet to run tests
> >> and make sure things work as expected.
> >>
> >> I have not yet started looking into merging in the changes for the
> 2.13.x,
> >> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
> >>
> >> However looking at the commit in github it seems to mainly be the
> >> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ component. Both which I
> find a
> >> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra since they have
> >> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly accessible, and must be
> >> locally installed. So these will never be able to build and test in the
> CI
> >> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible licensing issues for
> >> these components. And will we be able to release them if the person in
> >> charge of the release does not have access to the closed source
> libraries ?
> >>
> >> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to rename the current
> >> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply re-import from the
> current
> >> google code repo.
> >>
> >> We could then sit down and move over the commits that makes sense from
> the
> >> once that was done on github.
> >>
> >> Comments ?
> >>
> >> // Pontus
> >>
> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time ago. However after
> that
> >>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more commits and even
> >>> releases where made from the Google code repo up until the point where
> >>> google shutdown there service.
> >>>
> >>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk that the code bases
> has
> >>> diverge.
> >>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I would be happy to
> >>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google code is synced to the
> >>> github.com repositories.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it turns out that, at
> >>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to decide where and
> what
> >>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing will be
> automatically
> >>> moved by apache infra.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>>
> >>> Pontus
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
> >>>>
> >>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
> >>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com>:
> >>>> > Hi JB
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to
> >>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final descision
> about
> >>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF but
> the
> >>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen
> Camel
> >>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
> >>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought Camel
> >>>> has already finished this process.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Kindly regards
> >>>> > Krzysztof
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> >>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and
> >>>> upgrades.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Regards
> >>>> >> JB
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
> >>>> >>> Hi
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done
> it
> >>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Regards
> >>>> >>> Krzysztof
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> >>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for
> >>>> users of
> >>>> >>>> the library.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since
> >>>> according
> >>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up
> to
> >>>> each
> >>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be
> handled.
> >>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code
> >>>> should be
> >>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package
> name
> >>>> as is.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> [1]
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>> >>>> // Pontus
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
> >>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community
> >>>> regarding
> >>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from
> SF.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check
> with
> >>>> the
> >>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name
> "Camel
> >>>> Extra"
> >>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel
> in
> >>>> it),
> >>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in
> the
> >>>> future,
> >>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Best,
> >>>> >>>>> Christian
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <raul@evosent.com
> >:
> >>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community
> feels
> >>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the
> joint
> >>>> Apache
> >>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our
> >>>> concerns at
> >>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the
> >>>> Apache Camel
> >>>> >>>>>> website.
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and
> >>>> it seems
> >>>> >>>>> to
> >>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
> >>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should
> go
> >>>> ahead
> >>>> >>>>> and
> >>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
> >>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> [1]
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>> >>>>>>> [2]
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>> >>>>>>> [3]
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >>>> >>>>>>> [4]
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what
> SF
> >>>> offers
> >>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I
> >>>> don't
> >>>> >>>>> think
> >>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
> >>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
> >>>> >>>>> )
> >>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> >>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> >>>> >>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> >>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main
> camel
> >>>> >>>>> project
> >>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that
> >>>> it was
> >>>> >>>>> used
> >>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
> >>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such
> as
> >>>> >>>>> release
> >>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
> >>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple
> way of
> >>>> >>>>> hosting
> >>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
> >>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service
> >>>> in my
> >>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
> >>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we
> get
> >>>> this
> >>>> >>>>> up
> >>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
> >>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <raul@evosent.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1]
> >>>> umbrella...
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping
> all
> >>>> >>>>> "extras"
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming
> >>>> it's
> >>>> >>>>> for
> >>>> >>>>>>> ASF
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a
> technical
> >>>> >>>>> reason
> >>>> >>>>>>> nor
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more
> closely
> >>>> >>>>> related
> >>>> >>>>>>> to
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b)
> the
> >>>> roles
> >>>> >>>>> in
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with
> the
> >>>> roles
> >>>> >>>>> at
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together,
> i.e.
> >>>> >>>>> there's
> >>>> >>>>>>> no
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a
> >>>> committer
> >>>> >>>>> in
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <
> >>>> rajdavies@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to
> SF
> >>>> - its
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to
> >>>> pick
> >>>> >>>>> one
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not
> >>>> clear
> >>>> >>>>> that
> >>>> >>>>>>> we
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just
> move
> >>>> it
> >>>> >>>>> to
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <
> ullgren@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev
> mailing
> >>>> >>>>> list
> >>>> >>>>>>> and
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
> >>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
> >>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of
> an
> >>>> >>>>> Apache
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the
> Gimp
> >>>> >>>>> people
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> told
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
> >>>> >>>>> during
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the
> Apache
> >>>> >>>>> Extras
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus
> >>>> seems
> >>>> >>>>> to
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> point
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
> >>>> >>>>> preference)
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> or
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
> >>>> Architect,
> >>>> >>>>> Open
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a
> good
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
> >>>> >>>>> implanting
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download
> there.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp
> project
> >>>> >>>>> (that
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set
> of
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the
> project
> >>>> >>>>> once
> >>>> >>>>>>> it
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> has
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of
> the SF
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
> >>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are
> being
> >>>> >>>>> moved to
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing
> to
> >>>> >>>>>>> maintain
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev
> mailing
> >>>> list
> >>>> >>>>> no.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that
> >>>> seems
> >>>> >>>>> to be
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
> >>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the
> >>>> Apache
> >>>> >>>>>>> Extras
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
> >>>> >>>>>>> components...
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but
> found no
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to
> get
> >>>> >>>>> very
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion
> email.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
> >>>> >>>>> Architect,
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno
> is
> >>>> the
> >>>> >>>>> one
> >>>> >>>>>>> in
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the
> >>>> progress
> >>>> >>>>> or
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to
> >>>> be a
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to
> the
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph
> Emmersberger <
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We
> >>>> have
> >>>> >>>>> still
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren
> <
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list
> shows
> >>>> >>>>> that it
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache
> >>>> extra.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
> >>>> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2]
> >>>> and
> >>>> >>>>> the
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
> >>>> >>>>> conclusion on
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> this
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch
> to
> >>>> read
> >>>> >>>>>>> only
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
> >>>> développée
> >>>> >>>>> et
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une
> offre
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
> >>>> développée
> >>>> >>>>> et
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> supportée
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une
> offre
> >>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > Krzysztof Sobkowiak
> >>>> >
> >>>> > JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
> >>>> > Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/)
> >>>> > Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (
> >>>> http://servicemix.apache.org/)
> >>>> > Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (
> >>>> http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> --
> >>>> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
> >>>>
> >>>
>
>
>
> --
> Claus Ibsen
> -----------------
> http://davsclaus.com @davsclaus
> Camel in Action 2: https://www.manning.com/ibsen2
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>.
Hi
Yeah sure I think re-creating the code on github with latest from
google code, and then add those PR's commits that are extra on github
today could be the way forward.
As we take the latest code from camel-extra then we are sure we have
all the bits that people are using today from the official releases.
About the extra mailing lists. I would actually prefer to not
duplicate all the setup for extra, but just use this mailing list, and
then the github issue tracker for the extra tickets. By using this
mailing list then its much easier to share knowledge of the extra
project. I dont think people bother to signup on endless number of
mailing lists.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Any thoughts or comments on this ?
>
> As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but since the latest
> official release has been made from the google code repo I think it would
> be best to treat this as the official repository and recreate the gihub
> repo with a new import to from google code.
>
> Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue be handled on the
> camel-extra mailing list instead ?
>
> Best regards
> Pontus Ullgren
>
>
>
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A short update.
>> Looked through the commits in the google code repo and github and as a
>> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits being done to both
>> places.
>>
>> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for the master branch so
>> that the result is something that is acceptable. I have yet to run tests
>> and make sure things work as expected.
>>
>> I have not yet started looking into merging in the changes for the 2.13.x,
>> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
>>
>> However looking at the commit in github it seems to mainly be the
>> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ component. Both which I find a
>> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra since they have
>> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly accessible, and must be
>> locally installed. So these will never be able to build and test in the CI
>> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible licensing issues for
>> these components. And will we be able to release them if the person in
>> charge of the release does not have access to the closed source libraries ?
>>
>> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to rename the current
>> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply re-import from the current
>> google code repo.
>>
>> We could then sit down and move over the commits that makes sense from the
>> once that was done on github.
>>
>> Comments ?
>>
>> // Pontus
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time ago. However after that
>>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more commits and even
>>> releases where made from the Google code repo up until the point where
>>> google shutdown there service.
>>>
>>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk that the code bases has
>>> diverge.
>>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I would be happy to
>>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google code is synced to the
>>> github.com repositories.
>>>
>>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it turns out that, at
>>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to decide where and what
>>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing will be automatically
>>> moved by apache infra.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Pontus
>>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
>>>>
>>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
>>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com>:
>>>> > Hi JB
>>>> >
>>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to
>>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final descision about
>>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF but the
>>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen Camel
>>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
>>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought Camel
>>>> has already finished this process.
>>>> >
>>>> > Kindly regards
>>>> > Krzysztof
>>>> >
>>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and
>>>> upgrades.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards
>>>> >> JB
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>>>> >>> Hi
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it
>>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Regards
>>>> >>> Krzysztof
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for
>>>> users of
>>>> >>>> the library.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since
>>>> according
>>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to
>>>> each
>>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
>>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code
>>>> should be
>>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name
>>>> as is.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> [1]
>>>> >>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>> >>>> // Pontus
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
>>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community
>>>> regarding
>>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel
>>>> Extra"
>>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in
>>>> it),
>>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the
>>>> future,
>>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best,
>>>> >>>>> Christian
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
>>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
>>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint
>>>> Apache
>>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our
>>>> concerns at
>>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the
>>>> Apache Camel
>>>> >>>>>> website.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
>>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and
>>>> it seems
>>>> >>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
>>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go
>>>> ahead
>>>> >>>>> and
>>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
>>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> [1]
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>> >>>>>>> [2]
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>> >>>>>>> [3]
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>> >>>>>>> [4]
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF
>>>> offers
>>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I
>>>> don't
>>>> >>>>> think
>>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>>>> >>>>> )
>>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>>>> >>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>>>> >>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
>>>> >>>>> project
>>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that
>>>> it was
>>>> >>>>> used
>>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
>>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
>>>> >>>>> release
>>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
>>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
>>>> >>>>> hosting
>>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
>>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service
>>>> in my
>>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get
>>>> this
>>>> >>>>> up
>>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1]
>>>> umbrella...
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
>>>> >>>>> "extras"
>>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming
>>>> it's
>>>> >>>>> for
>>>> >>>>>>> ASF
>>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
>>>> >>>>> reason
>>>> >>>>>>> nor
>>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
>>>> >>>>> related
>>>> >>>>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the
>>>> roles
>>>> >>>>> in
>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the
>>>> roles
>>>> >>>>> at
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
>>>> >>>>> there's
>>>> >>>>>>> no
>>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a
>>>> committer
>>>> >>>>> in
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <
>>>> rajdavies@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF
>>>> - its
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to
>>>> pick
>>>> >>>>> one
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not
>>>> clear
>>>> >>>>> that
>>>> >>>>>>> we
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move
>>>> it
>>>> >>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
>>>> >>>>> list
>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
>>>> >>>>> Apache
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
>>>> >>>>> people
>>>> >>>>>>>>> told
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
>>>> >>>>> during
>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
>>>> >>>>> Extras
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus
>>>> seems
>>>> >>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>>>>> point
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
>>>> >>>>> preference)
>>>> >>>>>>>>> or
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>>>> Architect,
>>>> >>>>> Open
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
>>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
>>>> >>>>> implanting
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
>>>> >>>>> (that
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
>>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
>>>> >>>>> once
>>>> >>>>>>> it
>>>> >>>>>>>>> has
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
>>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
>>>> >>>>> moved to
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
>>>> >>>>>>> maintain
>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing
>>>> list
>>>> >>>>> no.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that
>>>> seems
>>>> >>>>> to be
>>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the
>>>> Apache
>>>> >>>>>>> Extras
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
>>>> >>>>>>> components...
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
>>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
>>>> >>>>> very
>>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>>>> >>>>> Architect,
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> one
>>>> >>>>>>> in
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the
>>>> progress
>>>> >>>>> or
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to
>>>> be a
>>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
>>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We
>>>> have
>>>> >>>>> still
>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
>>>> >>>>> that it
>>>> >>>>>>>>> will
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache
>>>> extra.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>>>> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2]
>>>> and
>>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>>>> >>>>> conclusion on
>>>> >>>>>>>>> this
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to
>>>> read
>>>> >>>>>>> only
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
Any thoughts or comments on this ?
As I wrote above the two code bases has diverged but since the latest
official release has been made from the google code repo I think it would
be best to treat this as the official repository and recreate the gihub
repo with a new import to from google code.
Should we have a vote on this ? Or should this issue be handled on the
camel-extra mailing list instead ?
Best regards
Pontus Ullgren
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 at 00:13 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A short update.
> Looked through the commits in the google code repo and github and as a
> feared the two code bases has diverged with commits being done to both
> places.
>
> However I think I managed to juggle the commits for the master branch so
> that the result is something that is acceptable. I have yet to run tests
> and make sure things work as expected.
>
> I have not yet started looking into merging in the changes for the 2.13.x,
> 2.14.x and 2.15.x.
>
> However looking at the commit in github it seems to mainly be the
> contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ component. Both which I find a
> bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra since they have
> dependencies to libraries that are not publicly accessible, and must be
> locally installed. So these will never be able to build and test in the CI
> environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible licensing issues for
> these components. And will we be able to release them if the person in
> charge of the release does not have access to the closed source libraries ?
>
> So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to rename the current
> github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply re-import from the current
> google code repo.
>
> We could then sit down and move over the commits that makes sense from the
> once that was done on github.
>
> Comments ?
>
> // Pontus
>
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time ago. However after that
>> there was a period of uncertainty during which more commits and even
>> releases where made from the Google code repo up until the point where
>> google shutdown there service.
>>
>> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk that the code bases has
>> diverge.
>> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I would be happy to
>> try to make sure that the latest code from Google code is synced to the
>> github.com repositories.
>>
>> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it turns out that, at
>> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to decide where and what
>> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing will be automatically
>> moved by apache infra.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Pontus
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
>>>
>>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <
>>> krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com>:
>>> > Hi JB
>>> >
>>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to
>>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final descision about
>>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF but the
>>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen Camel
>>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
>>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought Camel
>>> has already finished this process.
>>> >
>>> > Kindly regards
>>> > Krzysztof
>>> >
>>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> >> Hi Krysztof,
>>> >>
>>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and
>>> upgrades.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards
>>> >> JB
>>> >>
>>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>>> >>> Hi
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it
>>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards
>>> >>> Krzysztof
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for
>>> users of
>>> >>>> the library.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since
>>> according
>>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to
>>> each
>>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
>>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code
>>> should be
>>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name
>>> as is.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> [1]
>>> >>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >>>> // Pontus
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
>>> christian.mueller@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community
>>> regarding
>>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with
>>> the
>>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel
>>> Extra"
>>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in
>>> it),
>>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the
>>> future,
>>> >>>>> in my opinion.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best,
>>> >>>>> Christian
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
>>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
>>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint
>>> Apache
>>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our
>>> concerns at
>>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the
>>> Apache Camel
>>> >>>>>> website.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Raúl.
>>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and
>>> it seems
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
>>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go
>>> ahead
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Best regards
>>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> [1]
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >>>>>>> [2]
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> >>>>>>> [3]
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>> >>>>>>> [4]
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF
>>> offers
>>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I
>>> don't
>>> >>>>> think
>>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>>> >>>>> )
>>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>>> >>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>>> >>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
>>> >>>>> project
>>> >>>>>>>> wiki
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that
>>> it was
>>> >>>>> used
>>> >>>>>>>> for was to
>>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
>>> >>>>> release
>>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
>>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
>>> >>>>> hosting
>>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
>>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service
>>> in my
>>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get
>>> this
>>> >>>>> up
>>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1]
>>> umbrella...
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
>>> >>>>> "extras"
>>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming
>>> it's
>>> >>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>> ASF
>>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
>>> >>>>> reason
>>> >>>>>>> nor
>>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
>>> >>>>> related
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the
>>> roles
>>> >>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the
>>> roles
>>> >>>>> at
>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
>>> >>>>> there's
>>> >>>>>>> no
>>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a
>>> committer
>>> >>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <
>>> rajdavies@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF
>>> - its
>>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to
>>> pick
>>> >>>>> one
>>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not
>>> clear
>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>> we
>>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move
>>> it
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
>>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
>>> >>>>> list
>>> >>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>> :
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
>>> >>>>> Apache
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
>>> >>>>> people
>>> >>>>>>>>> told
>>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
>>> >>>>> during
>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
>>> >>>>>
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>>> >>>>>
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
>>> >>>>> Extras
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus
>>> seems
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>> point
>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
>>> >>>>> preference)
>>> >>>>>>>>> or
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>>> Architect,
>>> >>>>> Open
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
>>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
>>> >>>>> implanting
>>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
>>> >>>>> (that
>>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
>>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
>>> >>>>> once
>>> >>>>>>> it
>>> >>>>>>>>> has
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
>>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
>>> >>>>> moved to
>>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
>>> >>>>>>> maintain
>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing
>>> list
>>> >>>>> no.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that
>>> seems
>>> >>>>> to be
>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the
>>> Apache
>>> >>>>>>> Extras
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
>>> >>>>>>> components...
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
>>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
>>> >>>>> very
>>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>>> >>>>> Architect,
>>> >>>>>>>>> Open
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is
>>> the
>>> >>>>> one
>>> >>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the
>>> progress
>>> >>>>> or
>>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to
>>> be a
>>> >>>>>>>>> option in
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
>>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We
>>> have
>>> >>>>> still
>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
>>> >>>>> that it
>>> >>>>>>>>> will
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache
>>> extra.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>>> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2]
>>> and
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>>> >>>>> conclusion on
>>> >>>>>>>>> this
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to
>>> read
>>> >>>>>>> only
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>>> >>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
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>>> >>>>> et
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>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
>>> développée
>>> >>>>> et
>>> >>>>>>>>>> supportée
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Krzysztof Sobkowiak
>>> >
>>> > JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
>>> > Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/)
>>> > Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (
>>> http://servicemix.apache.org/)
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>>> http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>>>
>>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
A short update.
Looked through the commits in the google code repo and github and as a
feared the two code bases has diverged with commits being done to both
places.
However I think I managed to juggle the commits for the master branch so
that the result is something that is acceptable. I have yet to run tests
and make sure things work as expected.
I have not yet started looking into merging in the changes for the 2.13.x,
2.14.x and 2.15.x.
However looking at the commit in github it seems to mainly be the
contribution of Camel IBM CICS and Camel WMQ component. Both which I find a
bit strange that they were even added to camel-extra since they have
dependencies to libraries that are not publicly accessible, and must be
locally installed. So these will never be able to build and test in the CI
environment. Also I'm not sure about the possible licensing issues for
these components. And will we be able to release them if the person in
charge of the release does not have access to the closed source libraries ?
So a possible, much simpler, way forward would be to rename the current
github camel-extra repo, create a new and simply re-import from the current
google code repo.
We could then sit down and move over the commits that makes sense from the
once that was done on github.
Comments ?
// Pontus
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 at 15:51 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time ago. However after that
> there was a period of uncertainty during which more commits and even
> releases where made from the Google code repo up until the point where
> google shutdown there service.
>
> As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk that the code bases has
> diverge.
> Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I would be happy to try
> to make sure that the latest code from Google code is synced to the
> github.com repositories.
>
> Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it turns out that, at
> least to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to decide where and what
> they want to do with their extras project. Nothing will be automatically
> moved by apache infra.
>
> Best regards
>
> Pontus
>
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
>>
>> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com
>> >:
>> > Hi JB
>> >
>> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to
>> Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final descision about
>> Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF but the
>> projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen Camel
>> prefers Github. I'm looking for
>> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought Camel has
>> already finished this process.
>> >
>> > Kindly regards
>> > Krzysztof
>> >
>> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> >> Hi Krysztof,
>> >>
>> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and
>> upgrades.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> JB
>> >>
>> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>> >>> Hi
>> >>>
>> >>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it
>> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards
>> >>> Krzysztof
>> >>>
>> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for
>> users of
>> >>>> the library.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since
>> according
>> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to
>> each
>> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
>> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should
>> be
>> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name
>> as is.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [1]
>> >>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >>>> // Pontus
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
>> christian.mueller@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community
>> regarding
>> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with
>> the
>> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel
>> Extra"
>> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in
>> it),
>> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the
>> future,
>> >>>>> in my opinion.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best,
>> >>>>> Christian
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
>> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
>> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint
>> Apache
>> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our
>> concerns at
>> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the
>> Apache Camel
>> >>>>>> website.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Raúl.
>> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hello again,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it
>> seems
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
>> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go
>> ahead
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Best regards
>> >>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >>>>>>> [2]
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >>>>>>> [3]
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>> >>>>>>> [4]
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF
>> offers
>> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I
>> don't
>> >>>>> think
>> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>> >>>>> )
>> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>> >>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>> >>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
>> >>>>> project
>> >>>>>>>> wiki
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it
>> was
>> >>>>> used
>> >>>>>>>> for was to
>> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
>> >>>>> release
>> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
>> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
>> >>>>> hosting
>> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
>> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in
>> my
>> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get
>> this
>> >>>>> up
>> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1]
>> umbrella...
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
>> >>>>> "extras"
>> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming
>> it's
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>>>> ASF
>> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
>> >>>>> reason
>> >>>>>>> nor
>> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
>> >>>>> related
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the
>> roles
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the
>> roles
>> >>>>> at
>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
>> >>>>> there's
>> >>>>>>> no
>> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a
>> committer
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <rajdavies@gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF -
>> its
>> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick
>> >>>>> one
>> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not
>> clear
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move
>> it
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
>> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
>> >>>>> list
>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>> >>>>>>>>>> :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
>> >>>>> Apache
>> >>>>>>>>>> Project
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
>> >>>>> people
>> >>>>>>>>> told
>> >>>>>>>>>> SF
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
>> >>>>> during
>> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
>> >>>>>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>> >>>>>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
>> >>>>> Extras
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus
>> seems
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>> point
>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
>> >>>>> preference)
>> >>>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
>> >>>>> Open
>> >>>>>>>>>> Source
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
>> >>>>>>>>> solution?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
>> >>>>> implanting
>> >>>>>>>>>> adware
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
>> >>>>> (that
>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
>> >>>>>>>>> contributors
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
>> >>>>> once
>> >>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>> has
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
>> >>>>>>>>> migration.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
>> >>>>> moved to
>> >>>>>>>>>> the...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
>> >>>>>>> maintain
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing
>> list
>> >>>>> no.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
>> >>>>> to be
>> >>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>> >>>>> raul@evosent.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
>> >>>>>>> Extras
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
>> >>>>>>> components...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
>> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
>> >>>>> very
>> >>>>>>>>> chatty
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>> >>>>> Architect,
>> >>>>>>>>> Open
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is
>> the
>> >>>>> one
>> >>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress
>> >>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be
>> a
>> >>>>>>>>> option in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
>> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have
>> >>>>> still
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
>> >>>>> that it
>> >>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache
>> extra.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>> >>>>> conclusion on
>> >>>>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>> >>>>>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>> >>>>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to
>> read
>> >>>>>>> only
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>> >>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
>> développée
>> >>>>> et
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
>> >>>>> et
>> >>>>>>>>>> supportée
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Krzysztof Sobkowiak
>> >
>> > JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
>> > Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/)
>> > Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (http://servicemix.apache.org/
>> )
>> > Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (
>> http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
>> >
>> >
>> > 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>>
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Yes, camel-extra copied to github quite some time ago. However after that
there was a period of uncertainty during which more commits and even
releases where made from the Google code repo up until the point where
google shutdown there service.
As time has gone by it seems that there is a risk that the code bases has
diverge.
Is there anybody already looking into this? If not I would be happy to try
to make sure that the latest code from Google code is synced to the
github.com repositories.
Regarding SF from the latest ComDev discussions it turns out that, at least
to my interpretation, it is up to each PMC to decide where and what they
want to do with their extras project. Nothing will be automatically moved
by apache infra.
Best regards
Pontus
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 14:42 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
>
> 2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com
> >:
> > Hi JB
> >
> > I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to Github.
> I thought it's done already. Have you already final descision about Camel
> Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF but the
> projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen Camel
> prefers Github. I'm looking for
> > instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought Camel has
> already finished this process.
> >
> > Kindly regards
> > Krzysztof
> >
> > On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> >> Hi Krysztof,
> >>
> >> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and
> upgrades.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it
> alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Krzysztof
> >>>
> >>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> >>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users
> of
> >>>> the library.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since
> according
> >>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to
> each
> >>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
> >>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should
> be
> >>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as
> is.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> >>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>> // Pontus
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <
> christian.mueller@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community
> regarding
> >>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with
> the
> >>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel
> Extra"
> >>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in
> it),
> >>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the
> future,
> >>>>> in my opinion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Christian
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
> >>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
> >>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint
> Apache
> >>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns
> at
> >>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache
> Camel
> >>>>>> website.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Raúl.
> >>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello again,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it
> seems
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> be a dead end.
> >>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go
> ahead
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>> continue the move to github.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best regards
> >>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>>>>> [3]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >>>>>>> [4]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF
> offers
> >>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't
> >>>>> think
> >>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
> >>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> >>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> >>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
> >>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
> >>>>> )
> >>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> >>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> >>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> >>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> >>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
> >>>>> project
> >>>>>>>> wiki
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it
> was
> >>>>> used
> >>>>>>>> for was to
> >>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
> >>>>> release
> >>>>>>>> notes and most important
> >>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
> >>>>> hosting
> >>>>>>>> some documentation and
> >>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in
> my
> >>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
> >>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get
> this
> >>>>> up
> >>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
> >>>>> "extras"
> >>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>> ASF
> >>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
> >>>>> reason
> >>>>>>> nor
> >>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
> >>>>> related
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the
> roles
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the
> roles
> >>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
> >>>>> there's
> >>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a
> committer
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>> Raúl.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF -
> its
> >>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick
> >>>>> one
> >>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> GitHub
> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
> >>>>> list
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
> >>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
> >>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >>>>>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
> >>>>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>>> Project
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
> >>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>> told
> >>>>>>>>>> SF
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
> >>>>> during
> >>>>>>>>> 2015:
> >>>>>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >>>>>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
> >>>>> Extras
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> point
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
> >>>>> preference)
> >>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
> >>>>> Open
> >>>>>>>>>> Source
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> >>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
> >>>>>>>>> solution?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
> >>>>> implanting
> >>>>>>>>>> adware
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
> >>>>> (that
> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
> >>>>>>>>> contributors
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
> >>>>> once
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
> >>>>>>>>> migration.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
> >>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
> >>>>> moved to
> >>>>>>>>>> the...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
> >>>>>>> maintain
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing
> list
> >>>>> no.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
> >>>>> to be
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
> >>>>> raul@evosent.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
> >>>>>>> Extras
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
> >>>>>>> components...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
> >>>>>>>>> conclusion.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
> >>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>> chatty
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
> >>>>> Architect,
> >>>>>>>>> Open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> >>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the
> >>>>> one
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> charge
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
> >>>>>>>>> option in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
> >>>>>>>>> camel-dev
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have
> >>>>> still
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
> >>>>> that it
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
> >>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
> >>>>> conclusion on
> >>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
> >>>>>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to
> read
> >>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> >>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
> développée
> >>>>> et
> >>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
> >>>>> et
> >>>>>>>>>> supportée
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> >>>>>>>>> entreprise.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Krzysztof Sobkowiak
> >
> > JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect
> > Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/)
> > Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (http://servicemix.apache.org/)
> > Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (
> http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/)
> >
> >
> > 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
>
>
>
> --
> --
> David J. M. Karlsen - http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkarlsen
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>.
https://github.com/camel-extra/camel-extra
2015-10-31 14:01 GMT+01:00 Krzysztof Sobkowiak <kr...@gmail.com>:
> Hi JB
>
> I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final descision about Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF but the projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen Camel prefers Github. I'm looking for
> instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought Camel has already finished this process.
>
> Kindly regards
> Krzysztof
>
> On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>> Hi Krysztof,
>>
>> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and upgrades.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Krzysztof
>>>
>>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users of
>>>> the library.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since according
>>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to each
>>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
>>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should be
>>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as is.
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>> // Pontus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community regarding
>>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the
>>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra"
>>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it),
>>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the future,
>>>>> in my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
>>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
>>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache
>>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at
>>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache Camel
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raúl.
>>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello again,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be a dead end.
>>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
>>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't
>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>>>>> )
>>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
>>>>> project
>>>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was
>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> for was to
>>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
>>>>> release
>>>>>>>> notes and most important
>>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
>>>>> hosting
>>>>>>>> some documentation and
>>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
>>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this
>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
>>>>> "extras"
>>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> ASF
>>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
>>>>> related
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
>>>>> there's
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
>>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick
>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> GitHub
>>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>> Project
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>> 2015:
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
>>>>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
>>>>> preference)
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
>>>>>>>>> solution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
>>>>> implanting
>>>>>>>>>> adware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
>>>>> (that
>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
>>>>>>>>> contributors
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
>>>>> once
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
>>>>>>>>> migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
>>>>> moved to
>>>>>>>>>> the...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
>>>>>>> maintain
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list
>>>>> no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>>>>> raul@evosent.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
>>>>>>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
>>>>>>> components...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
>>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> chatty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>>>>> Architect,
>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the
>>>>> one
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
>>>>>>>>> option in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
>>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have
>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>>>>> conclusion on
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
>>>>> et
>>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
>>>>> et
>>>>>>>>>> supportée
>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Krzysztof Sobkowiak <kr...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB
I have seen the discussion that Camel Extras is going to move to Github. I thought it's done already. Have you already final descision about Camel Extras? I have seen discussion on ComDev about moving to SF but the projects will be not forced to move together to SF. As i have seen Camel prefers Github. I'm looking for
instructions how to migrate the svn repo to git and I thought Camel has already finished this process.
Kindly regards
Krzysztof
On 31.10.2015 13:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi Krysztof,
>
> camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and upgrades.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>>
>> Regards
>> Krzysztof
>>
>> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users of
>>> the library.
>>>
>>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since according
>>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to each
>>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
>>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should be
>>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as is.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>> // Pontus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community regarding
>>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
>>>>
>>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the
>>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra"
>>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it),
>>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the future,
>>>> in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
>>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
>>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache
>>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at
>>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache Camel
>>>>> website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Raúl.
>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello again,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems
>>>> to
>>>>>> be a dead end.
>>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead
>>>> and
>>>>>> continue the move to github.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
>>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't
>>>> think
>>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>>>> )
>>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
>>>> project
>>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was
>>>> used
>>>>>>> for was to
>>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
>>>> release
>>>>>>> notes and most important
>>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
>>>> hosting
>>>>>>> some documentation and
>>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
>>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this
>>>> up
>>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
>>>> "extras"
>>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's
>>>> for
>>>>>> ASF
>>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
>>>> reason
>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
>>>> related
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles
>>>> at
>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
>>>> there's
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Raúl.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
>>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick
>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear
>>>> that
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> GitHub
>>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
>>>> list
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>> Project
>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
>>>> people
>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
>>>> during
>>>>>>>> 2015:
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
>>>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
>>>> preference)
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
>>>>>>>> solution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
>>>> implanting
>>>>>>>>> adware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
>>>> (that
>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
>>>>>>>> contributors
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
>>>> once
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
>>>>>>>> migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
>>>> moved to
>>>>>>>>> the...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
>>>>>> maintain
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list
>>>> no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>>>> raul@evosent.com
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
>>>>>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
>>>>>> components...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
>>>>>>>> conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
>>>> very
>>>>>>>> chatty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>>>> Architect,
>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the
>>>> one
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress
>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
>>>>>>>> option in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
>>>>>>>> camel-dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have
>>>> still
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
>>>> that it
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>>>> conclusion on
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read
>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
>>>> et
>>>>>>>>>>> supportée
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
>>>> et
>>>>>>>>> supportée
>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>
--
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Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Krysztof,
camel-extras are not on github right. I've done some cleanups and upgrades.
Regards
JB
On 10/29/2015 08:15 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
> Hi
>
> Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
>
> Regards
> Krzysztof
>
> On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
>> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users of
>> the library.
>>
>> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since according
>> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to each
>> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
>> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should be
>> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as is.
>>
>> [1]
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> // Pontus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community regarding
>>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
>>>
>>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the
>>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra"
>>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it),
>>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the future,
>>> in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
>>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
>>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache
>>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>>>>
>>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at
>>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>>>>
>>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache Camel
>>>> website.
>>>>
>>>> Raúl.
>>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello again,
>>>>>
>>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems
>>> to
>>>>> be a dead end.
>>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>>>>>
>>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead
>>> and
>>>>> continue the move to github.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>> [3]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>>> [4]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
>>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't
>>> think
>>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>>> )
>>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
>>> project
>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was
>>> used
>>>>>> for was to
>>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
>>> release
>>>>>> notes and most important
>>>>>> the GIT repo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
>>> hosting
>>>>>> some documentation and
>>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
>>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this
>>> up
>>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my $0.02
>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
>>> "extras"
>>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's
>>> for
>>>>> ASF
>>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
>>> reason
>>>>> nor
>>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
>>> related
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles
>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles
>>> at
>>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
>>> there's
>>>>> no
>>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer
>>> in
>>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Raúl.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
>>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick
>>> one
>>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear
>>> that
>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it
>>> to
>>>>>>> GitHub
>>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
>>> list
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
>>> Apache
>>>>>>>> Project
>>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
>>> people
>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
>>> during
>>>>>>> 2015:
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
>>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems
>>> to
>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
>>> preference)
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
>>> Open
>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
>>>>>>> solution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
>>> implanting
>>>>>>>> adware
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
>>> (that
>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
>>>>>>> contributors
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
>>> once
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
>>>>>>> migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
>>> moved to
>>>>>>>> the...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
>>>>> maintain
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list
>>> no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
>>> to be
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>>> raul@evosent.com
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
>>>>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
>>>>> components...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
>>>>>>> conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
>>> very
>>>>>>> chatty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>>> Architect,
>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the
>>> one
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress
>>> or
>>>>>>>> roadmap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
>>>>>>> option in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
>>>>>>> camel-dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have
>>> still
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
>>> that it
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>>> conclusion on
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read
>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
>>> et
>>>>>>>>>> supportée
>>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
>>> et
>>>>>>>> supportée
>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>>>>>>> entreprise.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>
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Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Krzysztof Sobkowiak <kr...@gmail.com>.
Hi
Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
Regards
Krzysztof
On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote:
> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users of
> the library.
>
> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since according
> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to each
> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should be
> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as is.
>
> [1]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> // Pontus
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community regarding
>> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
>>
>> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the
>> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra"
>> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it),
>> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the future,
>> in my opinion.
>>
>> Best,
>> Christian
>>
>> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
>>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
>>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache
>>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>>>
>>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at
>>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>>>
>>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache Camel
>>> website.
>>>
>>> Raúl.
>>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello again,
>>>>
>>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems
>> to
>>>> be a dead end.
>>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>>>>
>>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead
>> and
>>>> continue the move to github.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> // Pontus
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>> [2]
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>> [3]
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>> [4]
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
>>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't
>> think
>>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses
>>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
>>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
>>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
>> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
>> )
>>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
>>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
>>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
>>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
>>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
>> project
>>>>> wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was
>> used
>>>>> for was to
>>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
>> release
>>>>> notes and most important
>>>>> the GIT repo.
>>>>>
>>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
>> hosting
>>>>> some documentation and
>>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
>>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal
>>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this
>> up
>>>>> read-write ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my $0.02
>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
>> "extras"
>>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's
>> for
>>>> ASF
>>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
>> reason
>>>> nor
>>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
>> related
>>>> to
>>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles
>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles
>> at
>>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
>> there's
>>>> no
>>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer
>> in
>>>>>> Apache Camel, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Raúl.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
>>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick
>> one
>>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear
>> that
>>>> we
>>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it
>> to
>>>>>> GitHub
>>>>>>> ourselves ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
>> list
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> enlighten them.
>>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
>> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why not github?
>>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
>> Apache
>>>>>>> Project
>>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
>> people
>>>>>> told
>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
>> during
>>>>>> 2015:
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems
>> to
>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
>> preference)
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
>> Open
>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>>>>>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
>>>>>> solution?
>>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
>> implanting
>>>>>>> adware
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
>> (that
>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>>>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
>>>>>> contributors
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
>> once
>>>> it
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
>>>>>> migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
>> hekonsek@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
>> moved to
>>>>>>> the...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
>>>> maintain
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list
>> no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
>> to be
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
>> raul@evosent.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
>>>> Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
>>>> components...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
>>>>>> conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
>> very
>>>>>> chatty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
>> Architect,
>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the
>> one
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress
>> or
>>>>>>> roadmap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
>>>>>> option in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
>>>>>> camel-dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have
>> still
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>>>>>>>>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
>> that it
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
>> conclusion on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read
>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
>> et
>>>>>>>>> supportée
>>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>>>>>> entreprise.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
>> et
>>>>>>> supportée
>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora.
>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>>>>>> entreprise.
>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
Hi Pontus,
I missed the mail you are referring to.
But after reading it, I agree. It should be ok, using the same (package)
name.
Best,
Christian
Am 17.09.2015 21:01 schrieb "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com>:
> I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users of
> the library.
>
> Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since according
> to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to each
> projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
> So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should be
> hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as is.
>
> [1]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> // Pontus
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <christian.mueller@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community
> regarding
> > this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
> >
> > Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the
> > Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra"
> > or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it),
> > because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the
> future,
> > in my opinion.
> >
> > Best,
> > Christian
> >
> > Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
> > >
> > > Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
> > > comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache
> > > Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
> > >
> > > We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at
> > > dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
> > >
> > > Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache
> Camel
> > > website.
> > >
> > > Raúl.
> > > On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello again,
> > > >
> > > > So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it
> seems
> > to
> > > > be a dead end.
> > > > Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
> > > >
> > > > So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go
> ahead
> > and
> > > > continue the move to github.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > // Pontus
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > > > [3]
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> > > > [4]
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF
> offers
> > > > > (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't
> > think
> > > > > the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Camel-Extra currently uses
> > > > > * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> > > > > http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> > > > > * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
> > https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
> > )
> > > > > * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> > > > > http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> > > > > * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> > > > > https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> > > > > * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
> > project
> > > > > wiki
> > > > >
> > > > > So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it
> was
> > used
> > > > > for was to
> > > > > provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
> > release
> > > > > notes and most important
> > > > > the GIT repo.
> > > > >
> > > > > So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
> > hosting
> > > > > some documentation and
> > > > > has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
> > > > > opinion it is not that big a deal
> > > > > where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get
> this
> > up
> > > > > read-write ASAP.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my $0.02
> > > > > // Pontus
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Rob,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
> > "extras"
> > > > >> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's
> > for
> > > > ASF
> > > > >> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
> > reason
> > > > nor
> > > > >> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
> > related
> > > > to
> > > > >> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the
> roles
> > in
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the
> roles
> > at
> > > > >> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
> > there's
> > > > no
> > > > >> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer
> > in
> > > > >> Apache Camel, right?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards,
> > > > >> Raúl.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF -
> its
> > > > >> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick
> > one
> > > > >> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear
> > that
> > > > we
> > > > >> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it
> > to
> > > > >> GitHub
> > > > >> > ourselves ?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
> > list
> > > > and
> > > > >> > > enlighten them.
> > > > >> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > // Pontus
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
> > davidkarlsen@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> Why not github?
> > > > >> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
> > > > victor.noel@linagora.com
> > > > >> >:
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> > > > >> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
> > Apache
> > > > >> > Project
> > > > >> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
> > people
> > > > >> told
> > > > >> > SF
> > > > >> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
> > during
> > > > >> 2015:
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> Victor
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
> > Extras
> > > > >> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus
> seems
> > to
> > > > >> point
> > > > >> > to
> > > > >> > >>>> SF
> > > > >> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
> > preference)
> > > > >> or
> > > > >> > >>>> Bitbucket.
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> Regards,
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > > > >> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
> > Open
> > > > >> > Source
> > > > >> > >>>> Integration specialist
> > > > >> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > > > >> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > > > >> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> > > > >> victor.noel@linagora.com
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
> > > > >> solution?
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
> > implanting
> > > > >> > adware
> > > > >> > >>>>> and
> > > > >> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> > > > >> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
> > (that
> > > > >> > wasn't
> > > > >> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> See
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> > > > >> > >>>>> for details.
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> Victor
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
> > > > >> contributors
> > > > >> > >> for
> > > > >> > >>>>>> the project ?
> > > > >> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
> > once
> > > > it
> > > > >> has
> > > > >> > >>>>>> been
> > > > >> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
> > > > >> migration.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> // Pontus
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
> > hekonsek@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
> > moved to
> > > > >> > the...
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
> > > > maintain
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> project
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Cheers!
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> > > > >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> napisał:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing
> list
> > no.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
> > to be
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> charge
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> of
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
> > raul@evosent.com
> > > > >
> > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
> > > > Extras
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> migration?
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
> > > > components...
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
> > > > >> conclusion.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
> > very
> > > > >> chatty
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> over
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
> > Architect,
> > > > >> Open
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Source
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > > > >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the
> > one
> > > > in
> > > > >> > >> charge
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> for
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> the move.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress
> > or
> > > > >> > roadmap.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be
> a
> > > > >> option in
> > > > >> > >> the
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
> > > > >> camel-dev
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> // Pontus
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have
> > still
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> backup
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> plan
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > > > >> > >> ullgren@gmail.com
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
> > that it
> > > > >> will
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> moved
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache
> extra.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
> > the
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> community
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
> > conclusion on
> > > > >> this
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> [3]
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >>
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to
> read
> > > > only
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> > > > >> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM,
> développée
> > et
> > > > >> > >> supportée
> > > > >> > >>>>> par Linagora.
> > > > >> > >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> > > > >> entreprise.
> > > > >> > >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>> --
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
> > et
> > > > >> > supportée
> > > > >> > >>> par Linagora.
> > > > >> > >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> > > > >> entreprise.
> > > > >> > >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users of
the library.
Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since according
to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to each
projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled.
So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should be
hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as is.
[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
// Pontus
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community regarding
> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
>
> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the
> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra"
> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it),
> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the future,
> in my opinion.
>
> Best,
> Christian
>
> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
> >
> > Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
> > comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache
> > Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
> >
> > We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at
> > dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
> >
> > Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache Camel
> > website.
> >
> > Raúl.
> > On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello again,
> > >
> > > So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems
> to
> > > be a dead end.
> > > Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
> > >
> > > So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead
> and
> > > continue the move to github.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > // Pontus
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > > [2]
> > >
> > >
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > > [3]
> > >
> > >
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> > > [4]
> > >
> > >
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
> > > > (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't
> think
> > > > the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
> > > >
> > > > Camel-Extra currently uses
> > > > * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> > > > http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> > > > * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (
> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
> )
> > > > * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> > > > http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> > > > * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> > > > https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> > > > * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
> project
> > > > wiki
> > > >
> > > > So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was
> used
> > > > for was to
> > > > provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as
> release
> > > > notes and most important
> > > > the GIT repo.
> > > >
> > > > So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
> hosting
> > > > some documentation and
> > > > has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
> > > > opinion it is not that big a deal
> > > > where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this
> up
> > > > read-write ASAP.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just my $0.02
> > > > // Pontus
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Rob,
> > > >>
> > > >> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
> > > >>
> > > >> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
> "extras"
> > > >> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's
> for
> > > ASF
> > > >> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
> reason
> > > nor
> > > >> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
> related
> > > to
> > > >> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles
> in
> > > >> the
> > > >> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles
> at
> > > >> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
> there's
> > > no
> > > >> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer
> in
> > > >> Apache Camel, right?
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Raúl.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
> > > >> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick
> one
> > > >> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear
> that
> > > we
> > > >> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it
> to
> > > >> GitHub
> > > >> > ourselves ?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
> list
> > > and
> > > >> > > enlighten them.
> > > >> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > // Pontus
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <
> davidkarlsen@gmail.com
> >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> Why not github?
> > > >> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
> > > victor.noel@linagora.com
> > > >> >:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> > > >> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
> Apache
> > > >> > Project
> > > >> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
> people
> > > >> told
> > > >> > SF
> > > >> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted
> during
> > > >> 2015:
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> Victor
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
> Extras
> > > >> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems
> to
> > > >> point
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > >>>> SF
> > > >> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
> preference)
> > > >> or
> > > >> > >>>> Bitbucket.
> > > >> > >>>>
> > > >> > >>>> Regards,
> > > >> > >>>>
> > > >> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > > >> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
> Open
> > > >> > Source
> > > >> > >>>> Integration specialist
> > > >> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > > >> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > > >> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > > >> > >>>>
> > > >> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> > > >> victor.noel@linagora.com
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>>> wrote:
> > > >> > >>>>
> > > >> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
> > > >> solution?
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
> implanting
> > > >> > adware
> > > >> > >>>>> and
> > > >> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> > > >> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
> (that
> > > >> > wasn't
> > > >> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>> See
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> > > >> > >>>>> for details.
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>> Victor
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
> > > >> contributors
> > > >> > >> for
> > > >> > >>>>>> the project ?
> > > >> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
> once
> > > it
> > > >> has
> > > >> > >>>>>> been
> > > >> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
> > > >> migration.
> > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>> // Pontus
> > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
> hekonsek@gmail.com>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
> moved to
> > > >> > the...
> > > >> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
> > > maintain
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >>>>>>> project
> > > >> > >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> Cheers!
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> > > >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> napisał:
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list
> no.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
> to be
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> charge
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> of
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
> raul@evosent.com
> > > >
> > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
> > > Extras
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> migration?
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
> > > components...
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
> > > >> conclusion.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
> very
> > > >> chatty
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> over
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
> Architect,
> > > >> Open
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Source
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > > >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the
> one
> > > in
> > > >> > >> charge
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> for
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> the move.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress
> or
> > > >> > roadmap.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
> > > >> option in
> > > >> > >> the
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
> > > >> camel-dev
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> // Pontus
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have
> still
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> backup
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> plan
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > > >> > >> ullgren@gmail.com
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
> that it
> > > >> will
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> moved
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <
> ullgren@gmail.com
> >
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
> the
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> community
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
> conclusion on
> > > >> this
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> [3]
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read
> > > only
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> > > >> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> > > >> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>>> --
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
> et
> > > >> > >> supportée
> > > >> > >>>>> par Linagora.
> > > >> > >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> > > >> entreprise.
> > > >> > >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>>>>
> > > >> > >>> --
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
> et
> > > >> > supportée
> > > >> > >>> par Linagora.
> > > >> > >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> > > >> entreprise.
> > > >> > >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community regarding
this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF.
Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the
Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra"
or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it),
because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the future,
in my opinion.
Best,
Christian
Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <ra...@evosent.com>:
>
> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache
> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
>
> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at
> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
>
> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache Camel
> website.
>
> Raúl.
> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello again,
> >
> > So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems
to
> > be a dead end.
> > Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
> >
> > So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead
and
> > continue the move to github.
> >
> > Best regards
> > // Pontus
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > [2]
> >
> >
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > [3]
> >
> >
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> > [4]
> >
> >
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
> > > (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't
think
> > > the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
> > >
> > > Camel-Extra currently uses
> > > * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> > > http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> > > * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/
)
> > > * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> > > http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> > > * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> > > https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> > > * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel
project
> > > wiki
> > >
> > > So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was
used
> > > for was to
> > > provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as release
> > > notes and most important
> > > the GIT repo.
> > >
> > > So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of
hosting
> > > some documentation and
> > > has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
> > > opinion it is not that big a deal
> > > where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this
up
> > > read-write ASAP.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just my $0.02
> > > // Pontus
> > >
> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Rob,
> > >>
> > >> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
> > >>
> > >> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all
"extras"
> > >> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's for
> > ASF
> > >> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical
reason
> > nor
> > >> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely
related
> > to
> > >> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles
in
> > >> the
> > >> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles
at
> > >> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e.
there's
> > no
> > >> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer in
> > >> Apache Camel, right?
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Raúl.
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
> > >> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one
> > >> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear
that
> > we
> > >> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to
> > >> GitHub
> > >> > ourselves ?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing
list
> > and
> > >> > > enlighten them.
> > >> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >> > >
> > >> > > // Pontus
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <davidkarlsen@gmail.com
>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Why not github?
> > >> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
> > victor.noel@linagora.com
> > >> >:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> > >> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an
Apache
> > >> > Project
> > >> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp
people
> > >> told
> > >> > SF
> > >> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during
> > >> 2015:
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Victor
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache
Extras
> > >> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems
to
> > >> point
> > >> > to
> > >> > >>>> SF
> > >> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal
preference)
> > >> or
> > >> > >>>> Bitbucket.
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> Regards,
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
Open
> > >> > Source
> > >> > >>>> Integration specialist
> > >> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> > >> victor.noel@linagora.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
> > >> solution?
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by
implanting
> > >> > adware
> > >> > >>>>> and
> > >> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> > >> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project
(that
> > >> > wasn't
> > >> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> See
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> > >> > >>>>> for details.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Victor
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
> > >> contributors
> > >> > >> for
> > >> > >>>>>> the project ?
> > >> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project
once
> > it
> > >> has
> > >> > >>>>>> been
> > >> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
> > >> migration.
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <
hekonsek@gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being
moved to
> > >> > the...
> > >> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
> > maintain
> > >> the
> > >> > >>>>>>> project
> > >> > >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> Cheers!
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> > >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> napisał:
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list
no.
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems
to be
> > >> in
> > >> > >>>>>>>> charge
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> of
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <
raul@evosent.com
> > >
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
> > Extras
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> migration?
> > >> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
> > components...
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
> > >> conclusion.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> > >> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get
very
> > >> chatty
> > >> > >>>>>>>> over
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise
Architect,
> > >> Open
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Source
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the
one
> > in
> > >> > >> charge
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> for
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> the move.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or
> > >> > roadmap.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
> > >> option in
> > >> > >> the
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
> > >> camel-dev
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> [1]
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have
still
> > >> the
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> backup
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> plan
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > >> > >> ullgren@gmail.com
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows
that it
> > >> will
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> moved
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and
the
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> community
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any
conclusion on
> > >> this
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> [3]
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>
> > >>
http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read
> > only
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> > >> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> > >> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> --
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée
et
> > >> > >> supportée
> > >> > >>>>> par Linagora.
> > >> > >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> > >> entreprise.
> > >> > >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>> --
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> > >> > supportée
> > >> > >>> par Linagora.
> > >> > >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> > >> entreprise.
> > >> > >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>.
Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels
comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache
Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway.
We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at
dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue.
Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache Camel
website.
Raúl.
On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems to
> be a dead end.
> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
>
> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead and
> continue the move to github.
>
> Best regards
> // Pontus
>
> [1]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> [2]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> [3]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
> [4]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
> > (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't think
> > the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
> >
> > Camel-Extra currently uses
> > * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> > http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> > * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/)
> > * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> > http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> > * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> > https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> > * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel project
> > wiki
> >
> > So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was used
> > for was to
> > provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as release
> > notes and most important
> > the GIT repo.
> >
> > So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of hosting
> > some documentation and
> > has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
> > opinion it is not that big a deal
> > where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this up
> > read-write ASAP.
> >
> >
> > Just my $0.02
> > // Pontus
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Rob,
> >>
> >> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
> >>
> >> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all "extras"
> >> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's for
> ASF
> >> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical reason
> nor
> >> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely related
> to
> >> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles in
> >> the
> >> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles at
> >> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e. there's
> no
> >> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer in
> >> Apache Camel, right?
> >>
> >> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Raúl.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
> >> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one
> >> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear that
> we
> >> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to
> >> GitHub
> >> > ourselves ?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list
> and
> >> > > enlighten them.
> >> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >> > >
> >> > > // Pontus
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Why not github?
> >> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <
> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >> >:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> >> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache
> >> > Project
> >> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people
> >> told
> >> > SF
> >> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during
> >> 2015:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Victor
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
> >> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to
> >> point
> >> > to
> >> > >>>> SF
> >> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference)
> >> or
> >> > >>>> Bitbucket.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
> >> > Source
> >> > >>>> Integration specialist
> >> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> >> victor.noel@linagora.com
> >> > >
> >> > >>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
> >> solution?
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting
> >> > adware
> >> > >>>>> and
> >> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> >> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that
> >> > wasn't
> >> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> See
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >> > >>>>> for details.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Victor
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
> >> contributors
> >> > >> for
> >> > >>>>>> the project ?
> >> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once
> it
> >> has
> >> > >>>>>> been
> >> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
> >> migration.
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> // Pontus
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> Hi,
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to
> >> > the...
> >> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to
> maintain
> >> the
> >> > >>>>>>> project
> >> > >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Cheers!
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>>>>> napisał:
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be
> >> in
> >> > >>>>>>>> charge
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> of
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <raul@evosent.com
> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache
> Extras
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> migration?
> >> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras
> components...
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
> >> conclusion.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> >> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very
> >> chatty
> >> > >>>>>>>> over
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
> >> Open
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Source
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> >> > ullgren@gmail.com
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one
> in
> >> > >> charge
> >> > >>>>>>>>> for
> >> > >>>>>>>>> the move.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or
> >> > roadmap.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
> >> option in
> >> > >> the
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
> >> camel-dev
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still
> >> the
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> backup
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> plan
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> >> > >> ullgren@gmail.com
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it
> >> will
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> moved
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on
> >> this
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> [2]
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> [3]
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read
> only
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> >> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> >> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> >> > >> supportée
> >> > >>>>> par Linagora.
> >> > >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> >> entreprise.
> >> > >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>> --
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> >> > supportée
> >> > >>> par Linagora.
> >> > >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> >> entreprise.
> >> > >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Hello again,
So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems to
be a dead end.
Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs.
So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead and
continue the move to github.
Best regards
// Pontus
[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
[2]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCADmm+Kcy9C6rgoDshExGsrdUU7Jur06JwCs9YP-hc8MAPM6CCw@mail.gmail.com%3E
[3]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
[4]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't think
> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
>
> Camel-Extra currently uses
> * Mailing list provided by nabble (
> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/)
> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees (https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/)
> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel project
> wiki
>
> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was used
> for was to
> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as release
> notes and most important
> the GIT repo.
>
> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of hosting
> some documentation and
> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my
> opinion it is not that big a deal
> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this up
> read-write ASAP.
>
>
> Just my $0.02
> // Pontus
>
> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
>>
>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all "extras"
>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's for ASF
>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical reason nor
>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely related to
>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles in
>> the
>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles at
>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e. there's no
>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer in
>> Apache Camel, right?
>>
>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>>
>> Regards,
>> Raúl.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
>> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one
>> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear that we
>> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to
>> GitHub
>> > ourselves ?
>> >
>> >
>> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list and
>> > > enlighten them.
>> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>> > >
>> > > // Pontus
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Why not github?
>> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <victor.noel@linagora.com
>> >:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache
>> > Project
>> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people
>> told
>> > SF
>> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during
>> 2015:
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Victor
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
>> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to
>> point
>> > to
>> > >>>> SF
>> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference)
>> or
>> > >>>> Bitbucket.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Regards,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
>> > Source
>> > >>>> Integration specialist
>> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
>> victor.noel@linagora.com
>> > >
>> > >>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good
>> solution?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting
>> > adware
>> > >>>>> and
>> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that
>> > wasn't
>> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> See
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>> > >>>>> for details.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Victor
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
>> contributors
>> > >> for
>> > >>>>>> the project ?
>> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it
>> has
>> > >>>>>> been
>> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
>> migration.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> // Pontus
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Hi,
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to
>> > the...
>> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain
>> the
>> > >>>>>>> project
>> > >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Cheers!
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
>> > ullgren@gmail.com
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>>> napisał:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be
>> in
>> > >>>>>>>> charge
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> of
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> migration?
>> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
>> conclusion.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very
>> chatty
>> > >>>>>>>> over
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
>> Open
>> > >>>>>>>>> Source
>> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>> > ullgren@gmail.com
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in
>> > >> charge
>> > >>>>>>>>> for
>> > >>>>>>>>> the move.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or
>> > roadmap.
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a
>> option in
>> > >> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the
>> camel-dev
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> [1]
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> [2]
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> // Pontus
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still
>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>> backup
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> plan
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>> > >> ullgren@gmail.com
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it
>> will
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> moved
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> community
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on
>> this
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> [2]
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> [3]
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (
>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
>> > >> supportée
>> > >>>>> par Linagora.
>> > >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>> entreprise.
>> > >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
>> > supportée
>> > >>> par Linagora.
>> > >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
>> entreprise.
>> > >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers
(and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't think
the choice of hosting company is that big a deal.
Camel-Extra currently uses
* Mailing list provided by nabble (http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/
)
* Jenkins provided by cloudbees (https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/)
* SonarQube provided by SonarQube (
http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228)
* Jira for issues provided by Atlassian (
https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX)
* End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel project
wiki
So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was used
for was to
provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as release
notes and most important
the GIT repo.
So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of hosting
some documentation and
has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my opinion
it is not that big a deal
where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this up
read-write ASAP.
Just my $0.02
// Pontus
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
>
> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all "extras"
> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's for ASF
> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical reason nor
> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely related to
> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles in the
> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles at
> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e. there's no
> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer in
> Apache Camel, right?
>
> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>
> Regards,
> Raúl.
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one
> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear that we
> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to
> GitHub
> > ourselves ?
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list and
> > > enlighten them.
> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >
> > > // Pontus
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why not github?
> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <victor.noel@linagora.com
> >:
> > >>
> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache
> > Project
> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> > >>>
> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people
> told
> > SF
> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during 2015:
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> > >>>
> > >>> Victor
> > >>>
> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> > >>>
> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to
> point
> > to
> > >>>> SF
> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference) or
> > >>>> Bitbucket.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
> > Source
> > >>>> Integration specialist
> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> victor.noel@linagora.com
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting
> > adware
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that
> > wasn't
> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> See
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> > >>>>> for details.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Victor
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
> contributors
> > >> for
> > >>>>>> the project ?
> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it
> has
> > >>>>>> been
> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
> migration.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to
> > the...
> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain
> the
> > >>>>>>> project
> > >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Cheers!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>> napisał:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in
> > >>>>>>>> charge
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> migration?
> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
> conclusion.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very
> chatty
> > >>>>>>>> over
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
> Open
> > >>>>>>>>> Source
> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in
> > >> charge
> > >>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> the move.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or
> > roadmap.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option
> in
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still
> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> backup
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> plan
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > >> ullgren@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it
> will
> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> moved
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> community
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on
> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [3]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> > >> supportée
> > >>>>> par Linagora.
> > >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> entreprise.
> > >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> > supportée
> > >>> par Linagora.
> > >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> > >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>.
Hi Rob,
I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella...
That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all "extras"
from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's for ASF
organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical reason nor
an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely related to
the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles in the
camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles at
Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e. there's no
requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer in
Apache Camel, right?
[1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
Regards,
Raúl.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one
> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear that we
> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to GitHub
> ourselves ?
>
>
> > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list and
> > enlighten them.
> > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >
> > // Pontus
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Why not github?
> >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <vi...@linagora.com>:
> >>
> >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache
> Project
> >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> >>>
> >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people told
> SF
> >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during 2015:
> >>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >>>
> >>> Victor
> >>>
> >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
> >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to point
> to
> >>>> SF
> >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference) or
> >>>> Bitbucket.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
> Source
> >>>> Integration specialist
> >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <victor.noel@linagora.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting
> adware
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that
> wasn't
> >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> See
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >>>>> for details.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Victor
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors
> >> for
> >>>>>> the project ?
> >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has
> >>>>>> been
> >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to
> the...
> >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the
> >>>>>>> project
> >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>> napisał:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in
> >>>>>>>> charge
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> migration?
> >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty
> >>>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
> >>>>>>>>> Source
> >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in
> >> charge
> >>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> the move.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or
> roadmap.
> >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
> >>>>>>>>>> backup
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> plan
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> >> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it will
> >>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> moved
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [3]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> >> supportée
> >>>>> par Linagora.
> >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> supportée
> >>> par Linagora.
> >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>.
Good point, Thierry. The conversation has certainly taken a twist which
makes it now belong to dev@.
@All, let's continue there.
Thanks.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Rabuel, Thierry <tr...@cora.fr> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Despite the fact this subject is really interesting, could you please
> notice that you are on the USERS' mailing-list and not the DEVS' one ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Thierry
>
> 2015-09-04 16:59 GMT+02:00 Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>:
>
> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one
> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear that we
> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to
> GitHub
> > ourselves ?
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list and
> > > enlighten them.
> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >
> > > // Pontus
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why not github?
> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <victor.noel@linagora.com
> >:
> > >>
> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache
> > Project
> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> > >>>
> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people
> told
> > SF
> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during 2015:
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> > >>>
> > >>> Victor
> > >>>
> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> > >>>
> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to
> point
> > to
> > >>>> SF
> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference) or
> > >>>> Bitbucket.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
> > Source
> > >>>> Integration specialist
> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <
> victor.noel@linagora.com
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting
> > adware
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that
> > wasn't
> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> See
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> > >>>>> for details.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Victor
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of
> contributors
> > >> for
> > >>>>>> the project ?
> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it
> has
> > >>>>>> been
> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF
> migration.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to
> > the...
> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain
> the
> > >>>>>>> project
> > >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Cheers!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>> napisał:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in
> > >>>>>>>> charge
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> migration?
> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no
> conclusion.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very
> chatty
> > >>>>>>>> over
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect,
> Open
> > >>>>>>>>> Source
> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > ullgren@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in
> > >> charge
> > >>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> the move.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or
> > roadmap.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option
> in
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still
> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> backup
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> plan
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> > >> ullgren@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it
> will
> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> moved
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> community
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on
> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [3]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (
> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> > >> supportée
> > >>>>> par Linagora.
> > >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre
> entreprise.
> > >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> > supportée
> > >>> par Linagora.
> > >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> > >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by "Rabuel, Thierry" <tr...@cora.fr>.
Hi all,
Despite the fact this subject is really interesting, could you please
notice that you are on the USERS' mailing-list and not the DEVS' one ?
Best regards,
Thierry
2015-09-04 16:59 GMT+02:00 Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>:
> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its
> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one
> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear that we
> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to GitHub
> ourselves ?
>
>
> > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list and
> > enlighten them.
> > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
> >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >
> > // Pontus
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Why not github?
> >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <vi...@linagora.com>:
> >>
> >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache
> Project
> >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> >>>
> >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people told
> SF
> >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during 2015:
> >>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >>>
> >>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >>>
> >>> Victor
> >>>
> >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
> >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to point
> to
> >>>> SF
> >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference) or
> >>>> Bitbucket.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
> Source
> >>>> Integration specialist
> >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <victor.noel@linagora.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting
> adware
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that
> wasn't
> >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> See
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >>>>> for details.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Victor
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors
> >> for
> >>>>>> the project ?
> >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has
> >>>>>> been
> >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to
> the...
> >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the
> >>>>>>> project
> >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <
> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>> napisał:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in
> >>>>>>>> charge
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey guys,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> migration?
> >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Maybe I
> >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty
> >>>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
> >>>>>>>>> Source
> >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in
> >> charge
> >>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> the move.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or
> roadmap.
> >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
> >>>>>>>>>> backup
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> plan
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> >> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it will
> >>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> moved
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [3]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> >> supportée
> >>>>> par Linagora.
> >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> supportée
> >>> par Linagora.
> >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Rob Davies <ra...@gmail.com>.
The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick one destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear that we have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it to GitHub ourselves ?
> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list and
> enlighten them.
> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>
> // Pontus
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why not github?
>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <vi...@linagora.com>:
>>
>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache Project
>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>>>
>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people told SF
>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during 2015:
>>>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
>>>
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to point to
>>>> SF
>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference) or
>>>> Bitbucket.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
>>>> Integration specialist
>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <vi...@linagora.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
>>>>>
>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting adware
>>>>> and
>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that wasn't
>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>>>>
>>>>> See
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>>>> for details.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors
>> for
>>>>>> the project ?
>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to the...
>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the
>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>>>
>>>>>>> napisał:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in
>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> migration?
>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
>>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in
>> charge
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the move.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
>> ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it will
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
>> supportée
>>>>> par Linagora.
>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et supportée
>>> par Linagora.
>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>
>>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing list and
enlighten them.
Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-)
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
// Pontus
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not github?
> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <vi...@linagora.com>:
>
> > Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> > Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache Project
> > ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
> >
> > It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people told SF
> > to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during 2015:
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
> >
> > Victor
> >
> > Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> >
> >> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
> >> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to point to
> >> SF
> >> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference) or
> >> Bitbucket.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
> >> Integration specialist
> >> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <vi...@linagora.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
> >>>
> >>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting adware
> >>> and
> >>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> >>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that wasn't
> >>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
> >>>
> >>> See
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> >>> for details.
> >>>
> >>> Victor
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors
> for
> >>>> the project ?
> >>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has
> >>>> been
> >>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
> >>>>
> >>>> // Pontus
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to the...
> >>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the
> >>>>> project
> >>>>> after SourceForge migration.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> >
> >>>>> napisał:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in
> >>>>>> charge
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey guys,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> migration?
> >>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe I
> >>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty
> >>>>>> over
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
> >>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
> >>>>>>> Source
> >>>>>>> Integration specialist
> >>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> >>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in
> charge
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> the move.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
> >>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in
> the
> >>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> >>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> mailinglist.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >>>>>
> >>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
> >>>>>>>> backup
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> plan
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <
> ullgren@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it will
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> moved
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >>>>>>>>>> yet.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [3]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wondered
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
> >>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
> supportée
> >>> par Linagora.
> >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >>>
> >>>
> > --
> >
> >
> > Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et supportée
> > par Linagora.
> > Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> > http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
> >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>.
Why not github?
4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" <vi...@linagora.com>:
> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache Project
> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
>
> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people told SF
> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during 2015:
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
>
> Victor
>
> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
>
>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to point to
>> SF
>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference) or
>> Bitbucket.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
>> Integration specialist
>> http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <vi...@linagora.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
>>>
>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting adware
>>> and
>>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that wasn't
>>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>>
>>> See
>>>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>>> for details.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>>
>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors for
>>>> the project ?
>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has
>>>> been
>>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>>>
>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
>>>>
>>>> // Pontus
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to the...
>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the
>>>>> project
>>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>
>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>>> napisał:
>>>>>
>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in
>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> migration?
>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I
>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty
>>>>>> over
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open
>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the move.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>>>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>>
>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it will
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>>>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>>>
>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et supportée
>>> par Linagora.
>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>>
>>>
> --
>
>
> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et supportée
> par Linagora.
> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Victor NOËL <vi...@linagora.com>.
Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge?
Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an Apache Project
;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision?
It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp people told
SF to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted during 2015:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html
Victor
Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit :
> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to point to SF
> rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference) or
> Bitbucket.
>
> Regards,
>
> *Raúl Kripalani*
> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
> Integration specialist
> http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <vi...@linagora.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
>>
>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting adware and
>> other spyware in installers available to download there.
>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that wasn't
>> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>>
>> See
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
>> for details.
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>
>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>>
>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors for
>>> the project ?
>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has been
>>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>>
>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
>>>
>>> // Pontus
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to the...
>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the
>>>> project
>>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>> napisał:
>>>>
>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in charge
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>>>
>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
>>>>>>
>>>>> migration?
>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I
>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty over
>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
>>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the move.
>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>
>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>> moved
>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>>
>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
>>>>>>>>>>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>> Henryk Konsek
>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>>
>>>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et supportée
>> par Linagora.
>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
>>
--
Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée et
supportée par Linagora.
Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre entreprise.
http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>.
Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache Extras
repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems to point to SF
rather than Github (which would have been my personal preference) or
Bitbucket.
Regards,
*Raúl Kripalani*
Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
Integration specialist
http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL <vi...@linagora.com>
wrote:
> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
>
> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting adware and
> other spyware in installers available to download there.
> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that wasn't
> even fixed by SourceForge…).
>
> See
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
> for details.
>
> Victor
>
>
> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
>
>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors for
>> the project ?
>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has been
>> moved (where ever it is moved).
>>
>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
>>
>> // Pontus
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to the...
>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the
>>> project
>>> after SourceForge migration.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>> napisał:
>>>
>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in charge
>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>>
>>>> // Pontus
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
>>>>>
>>>> migration?
>>>
>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
>>>>>
>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe I
>>>
>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty over
>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
>>>>> Integration specialist
>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>
>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge
>>>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>> the move.
>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
>>>>>>
>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>
>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>
>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>>>>>
>>>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> backup
>>>>
>>>>> plan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>
>>>> moved
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>
>>>> community
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>
>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>
>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
>>>>>>>>>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>
>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> Henryk Konsek
>>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>>
>>>
> --
>
>
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Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Victor NOËL <vi...@linagora.com>.
I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good solution?
After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by implanting adware
and other spyware in installers available to download there.
It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project (that wasn't
even fixed by SourceForge…).
See
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/
for details.
Victor
Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit :
> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors for
> the project ?
> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has been
> moved (where ever it is moved).
>
> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
>
> // Pontus
>
> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to the...
>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the project
>> after SourceForge migration.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>> napisał:
>>
>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in charge
>> of
>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>>>
>>> // Pontus
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
>> migration?
>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
>>>>
>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
>> Maybe I
>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty over
>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> *Raúl Kripalani*
>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
>>>> Integration specialist
>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani |
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge
>>> for
>>>>> the move.
>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision.
>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>> [1]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
>>> cemmersb@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
>>> backup
>>>>> plan
>>>>>> with Github in place, ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows that it will
>> be
>>>>> moved
>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
>> Apache
>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> // Pontus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>
>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
>> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
>>>>>>>>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
>> I
>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>
>> --
>> Henryk Konsek
>> http://about.me/hekonsek
>>
--
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Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of contributors for
the project ?
I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project once it has been
moved (where ever it is moved).
I think the question right now is the progress of the SF migration.
// Pontus
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to the...
> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the project
> after SourceForge migration.
>
> Cheers!
>
> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> napisał:
>
> > Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
> >
> > Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in charge
> of
> > the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
> >
> > // Pontus
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey guys,
> > >
> > > Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras
> migration?
> > > Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
> > >
> > > I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion.
> Maybe I
> > > overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty over
> > > there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > *Raúl Kripalani*
> > > Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
> > > Integration specialist
> > > http://about.me/raulkripalani |
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > > http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge
> > for
> > > > the move.
> > > > However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
> > > > Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
> > > > opinion of the community-dev decision.
> > > > Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
> > > mailinglist.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > > >
> > > > // Pontus
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> > cemmersb@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
> > backup
> > > > plan
> > > > > with Github in place, ...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ullgren@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Diging through the community development list shows that it will
> be
> > > > moved
> > > > > > to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the
> Apache
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > > development mailing list [2].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > yet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > // Pontus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > > > > > > [3]
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <
> tdudgeon.ml@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> > > > > > >> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/)
> I
> > > > > wondered
> > > > > > >> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Tim
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --
> Henryk Konsek
> http://about.me/hekonsek
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Henryk Konsek <he...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being moved to the...
SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to maintain the project
after SourceForge migration.
Cheers!
czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
napisał:
> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
>
> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in charge of
> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
>
> // Pontus
>
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras migration?
> > Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
> >
> > I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion. Maybe I
> > overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty over
> > there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > *Raúl Kripalani*
> > Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
> > Integration specialist
> > http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge
> for
> > > the move.
> > > However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
> > > Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
> > > opinion of the community-dev decision.
> > > Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
> > mailinglist.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > > [2]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> > >
> > > // Pontus
> > >
> > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <
> cemmersb@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the
> backup
> > > plan
> > > > with Github in place, ...
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Diging through the community development list shows that it will be
> > > moved
> > > > > to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the Apache
> > > > > community
> > > > > > development mailing list [2].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
> > > > discussion
> > > > > > yet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > // Pontus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > > > > > [2]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > > > > > [3]
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <td...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> > > > > >> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) I
> > > > wondered
> > > > > >> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Tim
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Henryk Konsek
http://about.me/hekonsek
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list no.
Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems to be in charge of
the move) to get a status update for camel-extra.
// Pontus
On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras migration?
> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
>
> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion. Maybe I
> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty over
> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
>
> Regards,
>
> *Raúl Kripalani*
> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
> Integration specialist
> http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge for
> > the move.
> > However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
> > Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
> > opinion of the community-dev decision.
> > Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev
> mailinglist.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
> >
> > // Pontus
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <ce...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the backup
> > plan
> > > with Github in place, ...
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Diging through the community development list shows that it will be
> > moved
> > > > to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the Apache
> > > > community
> > > > > development mailing list [2].
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
> > > discussion
> > > > > yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > // Pontus
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > > > > [2]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > > > > [3]
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <td...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> > > > >> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) I
> > > wondered
> > > > >> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Tim
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Raul Kripalani <ra...@evosent.com>.
Hey guys,
Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache Extras migration?
Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras components...
I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no conclusion. Maybe I
overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get very chatty over
there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email.
Regards,
*Raúl Kripalani*
Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, Open Source
Integration specialist
http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge for
> the move.
> However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
> opinion of the community-dev decision.
> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev mailinglist.
>
> [1]
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
> [2]
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
>
> // Pontus
>
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <ce...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the backup
> plan
> > with Github in place, ...
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Diging through the community development list shows that it will be
> moved
> > > to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> > >
> > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the Apache
> > > community
> > > > development mailing list [2].
> > > >
> > > > Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
> > discussion
> > > > yet.
> > > >
> > > > // Pontus
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > > > [3]
> > > >
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <td...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> > > >> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) I
> > wondered
> > > >> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > > >>
> > > >> Tim
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
>From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the one in charge for
the move.
However I fail to find any indication on the progress or roadmap.
Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a option in the
opinion of the community-dev decision.
Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the camel-dev mailinglist.
[1]
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E
[2]
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900@BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E
// Pontus
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger <ce...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the backup plan
> with Github in place, ...
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Diging through the community development list shows that it will be moved
> > to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
> >
> >
> >
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
> >
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the Apache
> > community
> > > development mailing list [2].
> > >
> > > Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this
> discussion
> > > yet.
> > >
> > > // Pontus
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > > [2]
> > >
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > > [3]
> > >
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <td...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> > >> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) I
> wondered
> > >> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> > >>
> > >> Tim
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Christoph Emmersberger <ce...@gmail.com>.
Is there any date when this move is expected? We have still the backup plan
with Github in place, ...
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Diging through the community development list shows that it will be moved
> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
>
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
>
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the Apache
> community
> > development mailing list [2].
> >
> > Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this discussion
> > yet.
> >
> > // Pontus
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> > [2]
> >
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> > [3]
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <td...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> >> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) I wondered
> >> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Diging through the community development list shows that it will be moved
to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra.
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the Apache community
> development mailing list [2].
>
> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this discussion
> yet.
>
> // Pontus
>
> [1]
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
> [2]
> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
> [3]
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <td...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
>> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) I wondered
>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
Re: what's happening to camel extra?
Posted by Pontus Ullgren <ul...@gmail.com>.
Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and the Apache community
development mailing list [2].
Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any conclusion on this discussion
yet.
// Pontus
[1]
http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html
[2]
http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html
[3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon <td...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read only
> (https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) I wondered
> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff?
>
> Tim
>