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Posted to dev@tuscany.apache.org by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> on 2008/12/05 08:04:19 UTC
[SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
We have been making good progress on the 2.0 code base, and I was
wondering if we could start thinking on getting a milestone release
out. I was thinking on releasing the core modules we have been working
on, maybe add a minimal set of bindings and some iTests. As for a time
frame, I'd suggest end of year, but due to coming holidays, it looks
like early January seems more reasonable.
Thoughts ?
--
Luciano Resende
Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1 to have a milestone release for 2.0 (such as 2.0M1) in January. I
> > envision the following features to be supported:
> >
> > 1) OSGi-enabled core
> > 2) implementation.java
> > 3) binding.ws
> > 4) A simple/consitent SCA domain story
> > 5) samples and itests working with both JSE and Equinox
>
> Sounds good, we might need to expand the binding list if we want to
> have domain administration UI, but otherwise the list seems reasonable
> and doable.
>
> BTW, I'd like to volunteer for the Release Manager position.
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Raymond
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Luciano Resende" <lu...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:04 PM
> > To: <de...@tuscany.apache.org>
> > Subject: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
> >
> >> We have been making good progress on the 2.0 code base, and I was
> >> wondering if we could start thinking on getting a milestone release
> >> out. I was thinking on releasing the core modules we have been working
> >> on, maybe add a minimal set of bindings and some iTests. As for a time
> >> frame, I'd suggest end of year, but due to coming holidays, it looks
> >> like early January seems more reasonable.
> >>
> >> Thoughts ?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Luciano Resende
> >> Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
> >> http://people.apache.org/~lresende<http://people.apache.org/%7Elresende>
> >> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende <http://people.apache.org/%7Elresende>
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
Sounds good to me. I'd like us to be a bit more organized/open about what we
think should be in future releases. I've revamped the roadmap page [1] to
include both 1.x and 2.x releases and put in a two release horizon. Comments
welcome (or even better just go in and fix it).
I'm not convinced we need to go all the way and have the domain gui running
in 2.0-M1 but we may need some other bindings. Let's be a bit more precise
about what scenarios we want to support.
Simon
[1] http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Java+SCA+Roadmap
Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to have a milestone release for 2.0 (such as 2.0M1) in January. I
> envision the following features to be supported:
>
> 1) OSGi-enabled core
> 2) implementation.java
> 3) binding.ws
> 4) A simple/consitent SCA domain story
> 5) samples and itests working with both JSE and Equinox
Sounds good, we might need to expand the binding list if we want to
have domain administration UI, but otherwise the list seems reasonable
and doable.
BTW, I'd like to volunteer for the Release Manager position.
>
> Thanks,
> Raymond
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Luciano Resende" <lu...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:04 PM
> To: <de...@tuscany.apache.org>
> Subject: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
>
>> We have been making good progress on the 2.0 code base, and I was
>> wondering if we could start thinking on getting a milestone release
>> out. I was thinking on releasing the core modules we have been working
>> on, maybe add a minimal set of bindings and some iTests. As for a time
>> frame, I'd suggest end of year, but due to coming holidays, it looks
>> like early January seems more reasonable.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> --
>> Luciano Resende
>> Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
>> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
>> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
>
--
Luciano Resende
Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
>From past experience, broad discussions might get us to
meta-discussions. I'd prefer to define incremental scenarios and
making them supported in incremental milestones, where scope would
increase gradativelly giving us an opportunity to solidifying the
domain story in a broad perspective. I anticipate at least couple
milestones to get all the domain scenarios supported.
Well, but this is just what I had in mind... and might not be what
others are thinking... so I'm open to discussions and it would be
great to start identifying scenarios so that everybody be on the same
page and to help us have a feeling about the amount of work that will
be required.
Thoughts ?
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a little worried that we would try to attack multiple issues and
>> don't give the necessary attention to the core in this first milestone
>> release. I was considering ws binding already somewhat a stretch, and
>> maybe we should even revisit that. I think another option would be to
>> get milestones releases much more frequent then usual, and agree on a
>> roadmap where we would incrementally address these other areas ?
>>
>> BTW, for a release time frame idea, I was thinking on starting
>> preparing this release very early in January.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> +1 to have a milestone release for 2.0 (such as 2.0M1) in January. I
>> >>> envision the following features to be supported:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1) OSGi-enabled core
>> >>> 2) implementation.java
>> >>> 3) binding.ws
>> >>> 4) A simple/consitent SCA domain story
>> >>> 5) samples and itests working with both JSE and Equinox
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I'd like to include the webapp runtime here as well.
>> >>
>> >> ...ant
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I think we should look at webapp now also. It's been an awkward
>> > bedfellow of
>> > the domain for a while and I'd like to know how we think that it should
>> > work. It maybe that we don't think simple webapps should take part in
>> > the
>> > domain but it would be good to air the issue.
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Luciano Resende
>> Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
>> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
>> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
> I agree that things will be a stretch to get into the various milestones so
> we either adjust the milestones or slip things out. We need to use our
> judgement and be flexible. Given the job of getting a good story in the
> domain we need to at least discuss how we think webapp should work. Then we
> can decide whether the implementation is ready for the first release or
> whether it slips into a later release. I'm all for the increments and for
> some things we need to think ahead a little.
>
> Simon
>
--
Luciano Resende
Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
Posted by Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>.
+1 to take webapp into consideration when we define the SCA domain/node story. I view the milestone releases as stations for a moving train and the features only go on board when they are ready. We should try to avoid rushing to bring up something based on the fragile foundation before getting the story straight.
Thanks,
Raymond
From: Simon Laws
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:57 AM
To: dev@tuscany.apache.org
Subject: Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a little worried that we would try to attack multiple issues and
don't give the necessary attention to the core in this first milestone
release. I was considering ws binding already somewhat a stretch, and
maybe we should even revisit that. I think another option would be to
get milestones releases much more frequent then usual, and agree on a
roadmap where we would incrementally address these other areas ?
BTW, for a release time frame idea, I was thinking on starting
preparing this release very early in January.
Thoughts ?
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 to have a milestone release for 2.0 (such as 2.0M1) in January. I
>>> envision the following features to be supported:
>>>
>>> 1) OSGi-enabled core
>>> 2) implementation.java
>>> 3) binding.ws
>>> 4) A simple/consitent SCA domain story
>>> 5) samples and itests working with both JSE and Equinox
>>>
>>
>> I'd like to include the webapp runtime here as well.
>>
>> ...ant
>>
>>
> I think we should look at webapp now also. It's been an awkward bedfellow of
> the domain for a while and I'd like to know how we think that it should
> work. It maybe that we don't think simple webapps should take part in the
> domain but it would be good to air the issue.
>
> Simon
>
--
Luciano Resende
Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
I agree that things will be a stretch to get into the various milestones so we either adjust the milestones or slip things out. We need to use our judgement and be flexible. Given the job of getting a good story in the domain we need to at least discuss how we think webapp should work. Then we can decide whether the implementation is ready for the first release or whether it slips into a later release. I'm all for the increments and for some things we need to think ahead a little.
Simon
Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I'm a little worried that we would try to attack multiple issues and
> don't give the necessary attention to the core in this first milestone
> release. I was considering ws binding already somewhat a stretch, and
> maybe we should even revisit that. I think another option would be to
> get milestones releases much more frequent then usual, and agree on a
> roadmap where we would incrementally address these other areas ?
>
> BTW, for a release time frame idea, I was thinking on starting
> preparing this release very early in January.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1 to have a milestone release for 2.0 (such as 2.0M1) in January. I
> >>> envision the following features to be supported:
> >>>
> >>> 1) OSGi-enabled core
> >>> 2) implementation.java
> >>> 3) binding.ws
> >>> 4) A simple/consitent SCA domain story
> >>> 5) samples and itests working with both JSE and Equinox
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'd like to include the webapp runtime here as well.
> >>
> >> ...ant
> >>
> >>
> > I think we should look at webapp now also. It's been an awkward bedfellow
> of
> > the domain for a while and I'd like to know how we think that it should
> > work. It maybe that we don't think simple webapps should take part in the
> > domain but it would be good to air the issue.
> >
> > Simon
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende <http://people.apache.org/%7Elresende>
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
I agree that things will be a stretch to get into the various milestones so
we either adjust the milestones or slip things out. We need to use our
judgement and be flexible. Given the job of getting a good story in the
domain we need to at least discuss how we think webapp should work. Then we
can decide whether the implementation is ready for the first release or
whether it slips into a later release. I'm all for the increments and for
some things we need to think ahead a little.
Simon
Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
I'm a little worried that we would try to attack multiple issues and
don't give the necessary attention to the core in this first milestone
release. I was considering ws binding already somewhat a stretch, and
maybe we should even revisit that. I think another option would be to
get milestones releases much more frequent then usual, and agree on a
roadmap where we would incrementally address these other areas ?
BTW, for a release time frame idea, I was thinking on starting
preparing this release very early in January.
Thoughts ?
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 to have a milestone release for 2.0 (such as 2.0M1) in January. I
>>> envision the following features to be supported:
>>>
>>> 1) OSGi-enabled core
>>> 2) implementation.java
>>> 3) binding.ws
>>> 4) A simple/consitent SCA domain story
>>> 5) samples and itests working with both JSE and Equinox
>>>
>>
>> I'd like to include the webapp runtime here as well.
>>
>> ...ant
>>
>>
> I think we should look at webapp now also. It's been an awkward bedfellow of
> the domain for a while and I'd like to know how we think that it should
> work. It maybe that we don't think simple webapps should take part in the
> domain but it would be good to air the issue.
>
> Simon
>
--
Luciano Resende
Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 to have a milestone release for 2.0 (such as 2.0M1) in January. I
>> envision the following features to be supported:
>>
>> 1) OSGi-enabled core
>> 2) implementation.java
>> 3) binding.ws
>> 4) A simple/consitent SCA domain story
>> 5) samples and itests working with both JSE and Equinox
>>
>>
> I'd like to include the webapp runtime here as well.
>
> ...ant
>
>
> I think we should look at webapp now also. It's been an awkward bedfellow
of the domain for a while and I'd like to know how we think that it should
work. It maybe that we don't think simple webapps should take part in the
domain but it would be good to air the issue.
Simon
Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to have a milestone release for 2.0 (such as 2.0M1) in January. I
> envision the following features to be supported:
>
> 1) OSGi-enabled core
> 2) implementation.java
> 3) binding.ws
> 4) A simple/consitent SCA domain story
> 5) samples and itests working with both JSE and Equinox
>
>
I'd like to include the webapp runtime here as well.
...ant
Re: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
Posted by Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>.
+1 to have a milestone release for 2.0 (such as 2.0M1) in January. I
envision the following features to be supported:
1) OSGi-enabled core
2) implementation.java
3) binding.ws
4) A simple/consitent SCA domain story
5) samples and itests working with both JSE and Equinox
Thanks,
Raymond
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Luciano Resende" <lu...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:04 PM
To: <de...@tuscany.apache.org>
Subject: [SCA 2.0] A milestone release based on the 2.0 code base
> We have been making good progress on the 2.0 code base, and I was
> wondering if we could start thinking on getting a milestone release
> out. I was thinking on releasing the core modules we have been working
> on, maybe add a minimal set of bindings and some iTests. As for a time
> frame, I'd suggest end of year, but due to coming holidays, it looks
> like early January seems more reasonable.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/