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JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.
Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:
JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
a few quarters.
JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: jspwiki
Posted by Florian Holeczek <fl...@apache.org>.
Hi Jukka,
basically yes. Maybe important to explain that the slowdown of activity was due to big changes in the codebase (3.0 branch), which had been planned and started mainly by two committers who then hadn't that much time anymore to finish them (That's life!). It took some time to realize this, but finally we decided to adapt our plans to the new situation, which means continuing with the 2.x codebase and concentrate on graduating asap.
Best regards
Florian
Am 13.10.2012 16:49, schrieb Jukka Zitting:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.
>
> Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
> felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
> perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:
>
> JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
> Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
> create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
> leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
> much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
> the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
> no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
> with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
> these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
> help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
> a few quarters.
>
> JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: Volunteering as JSPWiki Mentor - WAS Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you are already an IPMC member, just get to work. Add yourself to
> the project's metadata.
>
> If not, and you are a foundation member, Jukka just needs to send you
> off to the board for an ACK and then give you karma.
>
> If not, we need a vote.
For the record, Siegfried is on the IPMC:
http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#sgoeschl
(The clear explanation is a boon to the list regardless, so thanks Benson.)
Marvin Humphrey
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Re: Volunteering as JSPWiki Mentor - WAS Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Siegfried Goeschl <sg...@gmx.at> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I actually wanted to go emeritus but I'm a f****** idiot and therefore would
> like to help here and volunteer as JSPWiki Mentor ... :-)
>
> I'm a bit familiar with JSPWiki since a maintain a "JSPWiki On A Stick"
> distribution and we use JSPWiki in my company on a daily base. So I have a
> personal interest to see the project leaving the incubator.
>
> What formal steps are required?
If you are already an IPMC member, just get to work. Add yourself to
the project's metadata.
If not, and you are a foundation member, Jukka just needs to send you
off to the board for an ACK and then give you karma.
If not, we need a vote.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Siegfried Goeschl
>
> PS: Please note that over the weekend I'm retiring from most of my other
> Apache projects roles officially so don't get confused
>
> On 13.10.12 17:34, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jukka,
>>>
>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting
>>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
>>>> felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
>>>> perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:
>>>>
>>>> JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
>>>> Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
>>>> create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
>>>> leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
>>>> much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
>>>> the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
>>>> no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
>>>> with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
>>>> these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
>>>> help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
>>>> a few quarters.
>>>>
>>>> JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds fair enough. I'm still actively mentoring the project but could
>>> it use some more mentors.
>>
>>
>> Correction: It could use some more mentors.
>>>
>>>
>>> The project is in the middle of cutting their first release, and we
>>> all know that the first time is the hardest.
>>>
>>> The biggest issue regarding the release was the decision to *not*
>>> release the 3.0 code base that had been the focus of previous efforts.
>>>
>>> If everyone stays focused, I believe that the project can graduate
>>> within a few months after release.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>>
>>>> Jukka Zitting
>>>>
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>>>
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>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
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Volunteering as JSPWiki Mentor - WAS Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)
Posted by Siegfried Goeschl <sg...@gmx.at>.
Hi folks,
I actually wanted to go emeritus but I'm a f****** idiot and therefore
would like to help here and volunteer as JSPWiki Mentor ... :-)
I'm a bit familiar with JSPWiki since a maintain a "JSPWiki On A Stick"
distribution and we use JSPWiki in my company on a daily base. So I have
a personal interest to see the project leaving the incubator.
What formal steps are required?
Thanks in advance
Siegfried Goeschl
PS: Please note that over the weekend I'm retiring from most of my other
Apache projects roles officially so don't get confused
On 13.10.12 17:34, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
>> Hi Jukka,
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting
>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.
>>>
>>> Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
>>> felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
>>> perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:
>>>
>>> JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
>>> Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
>>> create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
>>> leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
>>> much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
>>> the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
>>> no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
>>> with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
>>> these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
>>> help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
>>> a few quarters.
>>>
>>> JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?
>>
>> Sounds fair enough. I'm still actively mentoring the project but could
>> it use some more mentors.
>
> Correction: It could use some more mentors.
>>
>> The project is in the middle of cutting their first release, and we
>> all know that the first time is the hardest.
>>
>> The biggest issue regarding the release was the decision to *not*
>> release the 3.0 code base that had been the focus of previous efforts.
>>
>> If everyone stays focused, I believe that the project can graduate
>> within a few months after release.
>>
>> Craig
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jukka Zitting
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
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>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
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Volunteering as JSPWiki Mentor - WAS Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)
Posted by Siegfried Goeschl <sg...@gmx.at>.
Hi folks,
I actually wanted to go emeritus but I'm a f****** idiot and therefore
would like to help here and volunteer as JSPWiki Mentor ... :-)
I'm a bit familiar with JSPWiki since a maintain a "JSPWiki On A Stick"
distribution and we use JSPWiki in my company on a daily base. So I have
a personal interest to see the project leaving the incubator.
What formal steps are required?
Thanks in advance
Siegfried Goeschl
PS: Please note that over the weekend I'm retiring from most of my other
Apache projects roles officially so don't get confused
On 13.10.12 17:34, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
>> Hi Jukka,
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting
>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.
>>>
>>> Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
>>> felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
>>> perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:
>>>
>>> JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
>>> Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
>>> create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
>>> leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
>>> much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
>>> the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
>>> no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
>>> with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
>>> these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
>>> help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
>>> a few quarters.
>>>
>>> JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?
>>
>> Sounds fair enough. I'm still actively mentoring the project but could
>> it use some more mentors.
>
> Correction: It could use some more mentors.
>>
>> The project is in the middle of cutting their first release, and we
>> all know that the first time is the hardest.
>>
>> The biggest issue regarding the release was the decision to *not*
>> release the 3.0 code base that had been the focus of previous efforts.
>>
>> If everyone stays focused, I believe that the project can graduate
>> within a few months after release.
>>
>> Craig
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jukka Zitting
>>>
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>>>
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
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>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
> Hi Jukka,
>
> On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>> JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.
>>
>> Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest
>> podling, I
>> felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
>> perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:
>>
>> JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
>> Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
>> create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
>> leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
>> much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
>> the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
>> no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
>> with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
>> these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
>> help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
>> a few quarters.
>>
>> JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?
>
> Sounds fair enough. I'm still actively mentoring the project but
> could it use some more mentors.
Correction: It could use some more mentors.
>
> The project is in the middle of cutting their first release, and we
> all know that the first time is the hardest.
>
> The biggest issue regarding the release was the decision to *not*
> release the 3.0 code base that had been the focus of previous efforts.
>
> If everyone stays focused, I believe that the project can graduate
> within a few months after release.
>
> Craig
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jukka Zitting
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
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Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
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Re: JSPWiki status (Was: jspwiki)
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
Hi Jukka,
On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jukka Zitting
> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> JSPWiki has been troubled for quite some time.
>
> Following up on this and since JSPWiki is by far our oldest podling, I
> felt it appropriate to summarize its status and outlook from the IPMC
> perspective in this months board report. Here's my summary:
>
> JSPWiki is our oldest podling with over five years in the Incubator.
> Activity in JSPWiki was very low for a few years and they've yet to
> create their first Apache release. Earlier this year they discussed
> leaving the Incubator and the ASF since they clearly weren't making
> much progress. That discussion led to some revival of activity and
> the decision to continue in the Incubator. Unfortunately the podling
> no longer has enough active mentors, which has led to some trouble
> with premature attempts at cutting releases or graduating. Despite
> these troubles the podling is making progress, and with sufficient
> help from the IPMC they might well become ready to graduate within
> a few quarters.
>
> JSPWiki committers/mentors, does this sound like an accurate summary?
Sounds fair enough. I'm still actively mentoring the project but could
it use some more mentors.
The project is in the middle of cutting their first release, and we
all know that the first time is the hardest.
The biggest issue regarding the release was the decision to *not*
release the 3.0 code base that had been the focus of previous efforts.
If everyone stays focused, I believe that the project can graduate
within a few months after release.
Craig
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
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