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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de> on 2003/09/03 12:01:11 UTC
[Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Thanks to Bruno we have a solution (or workaround)
for the CommandManager problem. Great!
So afaik we don't have another blocker for the 2.1.1 release.
As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I propose
to do the release this friday.
The alternatives are:
- someone else does the release in the next three weeks
- or we wait until i'm back
I think the description on the wiki for doing a release is very
good (I use it each time myself ;) ), so if someone is volunteering,
I'm fine with that as well of course.
Carsten
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Geoff Howard <co...@leverageweb.com>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I propose
> to do the release this friday.
+1 for Friday
Geoff
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> more seriously: How do we deal with bugfix releases in the future if we
> don't have a branch or another repository?
Like we do with 2.0.x? It's just a matter of releasing, actually.
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RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>
> From: Reinhard Poetz
>
> > From: Bruno Dumon
> >
> > > On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:01, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > > <snip/>
> > > > As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I
> > > propose to do the
> > > > release this friday.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Since we decided that we don't like creating new repositories
> > > nor CVS branches, I assume this will be the last release in
> > > the 2.1.x series?
> >
> > If this doesn't mean that we wait another 18 months or so
> > until releasing 2.2 ... ;)
>
> more seriously: How do we deal with bugfix releases in the future if we
> don't have a branch or another repository?
IMHO this is where CVS braches for bug fixes shine.
--
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Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>
>
>>>>Since we decided that we don't like creating new repositories nor CVS branches, I assume this will be the last release in the 2.1.x series?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>If this doesn't mean that we wait another 18 months or so until releasing 2.2 ... ;)
>>>
>>>
>>more seriously: How do we deal with bugfix releases in the future if we
>>don't have a branch or another repository?
>>
>>
>I'm really tired of discussing this (it's not your fault, Reinhard).
>
>I suggested again and again to start a new repository for 2.2 (which is equivalent to starting a 2.2 branch - or a 2.1.x branch), but I always got the reply "let's see if we really need 2.2, let's stick to 2.1 for now." Now, only 5 days later people ask for it.
>
The answer was more a "we currently have nothing concrete that asks for
a 2.2 repo". Things have changed quickly in the last days (e.g. move to
Fortress) so yes, a 2.2 repo makes sense now.
But this 2.2 repo should be for really new things. Other minor changes &
bug fixes should also be added to the 2.1 repo to allow for a 2.1.2
release if necessary without waiting for 2.2 final.
And of course +1 for the 2.1.1 release.
Sylvain
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Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Geoff Howard <co...@leverageweb.com>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> From: Carsten Ziegeler
>
>>Im really tired of discussing this (it's not your fault, Reinhard).
>>
>>I suggested again and again to start a new repository for 2.2
>>(which is equivalent to starting a 2.2 branch - or a 2.1.x
>>branch), but I always got the reply "let's see if we really
>>need 2.2, let's stick to 2.1 for now." Now, only 5 days later
>>people ask for it. So, if someone feels that our current
>>approach is wrong, start a new thread; I will not do it. BTW,
>>each release is tagged and we can always create a
>>maintainance branch afterwards - but that wouldn't be the way
>>we decided to use the cvs months ago...
>
> IMO we should be able to release 2.1.x version in the future. Mabe I'm a
> bit afraid of the changes (blocks, fortress, virtual sitemap components)
> and how long it takes us to release stable versions of Cocoon (not beta,
> not milestone or something else) again if we don't branch or fork our
> repository.
>
> I think so many people (of course including me) were waiting for 2.1 and
> I really want to use it for some time in production without doing
> alpha/beta testing of 2.2 and I like to have "support" of bugfix
> releases of 2.1 (see the security holes Sylvain fixed recently, maybe we
> can release a stable Cocoon Forms, ...).
>
> Am I (and Carsten) alone with this opinions?
No, I agree too. I think the move to Fortress makes a 2.2 repo wise.
Berin is optimistic about the chances of mitigating problems with the
transition, and I trust in that. But it is IMHO a significant enough
architectural change which can/will have un-forseen consequences across
the user-base.
If we don't, we risk putting people in a Microsoft-like situation: in
order to upgrade to fix bug A they need to accept bug B introduced in
the new version.
Exactly how that's achieved is less important. Of the less than optimal
options, I think a 2.2 repo is the best bet.
Geoff
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Andrew Savory wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Steven Noels wrote:
>
> > IMHO, it's simply unworkable to have major stuff going on in one module,
> > over two branches, at the same time.
>
> In CVS, I've always found branches == pain.
Can you explain you pains? I've found it quite usefull to have a main
branch for firther development an one for maintenance.
> I appreciate a move to something like subversion is quite a revolution,
> and I'd suggest it's something best kept for the next "revolution" in
> Cocoon (like the jump from 1.x to 2.x).
Still IIRC Apache does not use SVN as an infrastructure equivalent to
CVS.
> But I'd really like to see a 2.2 module created now. Should we put it to a
> vote?
What's the diffrence between a new repository and a branch (I know:
performance)
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RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
> From: Andrew Savory
> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Steven Noels wrote:
>
> > IMHO, it's simply unworkable to have major stuff going on in one
> > module, over two branches, at the same time.
>
> In CVS, I've always found branches == pain.
>
> I appreciate a move to something like subversion is quite a
> revolution, and I'd suggest it's something best kept for the
> next "revolution" in Cocoon (like the jump from 1.x to 2.x).
>
> But I'd really like to see a 2.2 module created now. Should
> we put it to a vote?
I'm +1 on Carstens original suggestion (create a 2.2 repository with as
less as possible code duplication and an enhanced 2.2 build system that
can include 2.1 blocks)
Cheers,
Reinhard
Re: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>>With WinXP, most people (meaning at least me) don't bother with WinZip
>>because XP has .zip support built in. Of course I do have to resort to
>>Cygwin for tar.gz or even tar.bz2 files--but that's just me.
>
>
> Please join "THE GPL CLUB" in this arena ;) When I need to go down to the
> Windows world I use 7-zip - http://www.7-zip.org/ for the task you sadi
> above.
>
> <from-the-website>
> Supported formats: 7z, ZIP, CAB, RAR, ARJ, GZIP, BZIP2, TAR, CPIO, RPM and
> DEB
> </from-the-website>
IMO, why? Cygwin gives me UNIX on a Windows box, right down to the compression
support--there is no need. I have my CVS, my tar, my zip/bzip2/gzip/etc. needs
all taken care of--not to mention SSH, SCP, and other things.
--
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
RE: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Jeff Ramsdale <je...@earthlink.net>.
> >>> I expect the average new Cocoon user is also a Windows user (though I
> >>> could be wrong). So why are the snapshots not in .zip format?
>
> Because there are too big for download and waste broandband ;)
Versus downloading from CVS, which was the suggestion from the initial
fictitious conversation I posted?
> >> FYI: WinZip supports tar.gz files just fine.
> >>
> >
> > With WinXP, most people (meaning at least me) don't bother with WinZip
> > because XP has .zip support built in. Of course I do have to resort to
> > Cygwin for tar.gz or even tar.bz2 files--but that's just me.
>
> Please join "THE GPL CLUB" in this arena ;) When I need to go down to the
> Windows world I use 7-zip - http://www.7-zip.org/ for the task you sadi
> above.
>
> <from-the-website>
> Supported formats: 7z, ZIP, CAB, RAR, ARJ, GZIP, BZIP2, TAR, CPIO, RPM and
> DEB
> </from-the-website>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Antonio Gallardo
Asking a user to download and install another software package is out of the
question. They have perfectly capable .zip functionality already on their
system. We provide a .zip file for the latest distribution, why night the
nightly snapshot?
Jeff
Re: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Berin Loritsch dijo:
> Miles Elam wrote:
>> Jeff Ramsdale wrote:
>>
>>> I expect the average new Cocoon user is also a Windows user (though I
>>> could be wrong). So why are the snapshots not in .zip format?
Because there are too big for download and waste broandband ;)
>> FYI: WinZip supports tar.gz files just fine.
>>
>
> With WinXP, most people (meaning at least me) don't bother with WinZip
> because XP has .zip support built in. Of course I do have to resort to
> Cygwin for tar.gz or even tar.bz2 files--but that's just me.
Please join "THE GPL CLUB" in this arena ;) When I need to go down to the
Windows world I use 7-zip - http://www.7-zip.org/ for the task you sadi
above.
<from-the-website>
Supported formats: 7z, ZIP, CAB, RAR, ARJ, GZIP, BZIP2, TAR, CPIO, RPM and
DEB
</from-the-website>
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
Re: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Miles Elam wrote:
> Jeff Ramsdale wrote:
>
>> I expect the average new Cocoon user is also a Windows user (though I
>> could be wrong). So why are the snapshots not in .zip format?
>>
>>
>
> FYI: WinZip supports tar.gz files just fine.
>
With WinXP, most people (meaning at least me) don't bother with WinZip
because XP has .zip support built in. Of course I do have to resort
to Cygwin for tar.gz or even tar.bz2 files--but that's just me.
--
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
Re: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
On Thursday, Sep 4, 2003, at 08:27 Europe/Rome, Jeff Ramsdale wrote:
>>> I expect the average new Cocoon user is also a Windows user
>> (though I could be wrong). So why are the snapshots not in .zip
>> format?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> FYI: WinZip supports tar.gz files just fine.
>
> That may be (and I suspected as much), but WinZip would be another
> download
> for a user who just wants to try out Cocoon. Also, Windows at some
> point
> (ME?) picked up the ability to unzip files natively so many users will
> think
> since they can deal with .zip files with no problem that the lack of a
> .zip
> file on the Cocoon site is a slight (intentional or otherwise). ME's
> .zip
> handling does not extend to tar.gz files.
Jeff,
a cocoon user that is not able to unpack a tar.gz file is going to
create more problems to this list than it would ever be able to
contribute.
sorry to appear cynical and racist, but that's the dry truth.
community filtering is a feature, not a bug of community engineering: a
community has a finite amount of energy to give into a user's question
and if the signal/noise ratio degrades, people go away.
this is one of the cases where too much usability too soon hurts rather
than helps.
the bar shouldn't bee raised too high, but it shouldn't be put too low
either. we want quality of feedback, not quantity.
world domination requires patience ;-)
--
Stefano.
RE: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Jeff Ramsdale <je...@earthlink.net>.
> >I expect the average new Cocoon user is also a Windows user
> (though I could be wrong). So why are the snapshots not in .zip format?
> >
> >
>
> FYI: WinZip supports tar.gz files just fine.
That may be (and I suspected as much), but WinZip would be another download
for a user who just wants to try out Cocoon. Also, Windows at some point
(ME?) picked up the ability to unzip files natively so many users will think
since they can deal with .zip files with no problem that the lack of a .zip
file on the Cocoon site is a slight (intentional or otherwise). ME's .zip
handling does not extend to tar.gz files.
> - Miles Elam
Jeff
Re: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Miles Elam <mi...@pcextremist.com>.
Jeff Ramsdale wrote:
>I expect the average new Cocoon user is also a Windows user (though I could be wrong). So why are the snapshots not in .zip format?
>
>
FYI: WinZip supports tar.gz files just fine.
- Miles Elam
RE: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Jeff Ramsdale <je...@earthlink.net>.
> >If all the cool features that users want to play with are in the HEAD via
> >Subversion, you might think about easing the path to entry for the new
> >user...
> >
> >
>
> Ain't this (http://cvs.apache.org/snapshots/cocoon-2.1/) easy enough? :)
>
> Vadim
For a moment I was going to acquiesce, but then I realized no, that's not
easy enough.
I expect the average new Cocoon user is also a Windows user (though I could
be wrong). So why are the snapshots not in .zip format?
A Linux user is more likely to be familiar and comfortable with CVS and/or
Subversion and won't need the snapshot. Perhaps we should put up .zip
snapshots as well and compare download rates on the two formats?
Jeff
Re: Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@verizon.net>.
Jeff Ramsdale wrote:
>If all the cool features that users want to play with are in the HEAD via
>Subversion, you might think about easing the path to entry for the new
>user...
>
>
Ain't this (http://cvs.apache.org/snapshots/cocoon-2.1/) easy enough? :)
Vadim
Future build (was RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1)
Posted by Jeff Ramsdale <je...@earthlink.net>.
> > IMHO, it's simply unworkable to have major stuff going on in one module,
> > over two branches, at the same time.
>
> In CVS, I've always found branches == pain.
>
> I appreciate a move to something like subversion is quite a revolution,
> and I'd suggest it's something best kept for the next "revolution" in
> Cocoon (like the jump from 1.x to 2.x).
>
> But I'd really like to see a 2.2 module created now. Should we put it to a
> vote?
>
> Oh, and I'm +1 on 2.1.1 on Friday.
>
>
> Andrew.
Given the recent user complaints about having to build Cocoon from source we
should be careful how Subversion is introduced into the equation (assuming,
as is likely, this happens at some point). I imagine something like this
happening:
newbie: "How do I install Cocoon?"
helpful developer: "Download from the web page and build from source."
newbie: "*grumble* *grumble*"
a couple days later...
newbie: "How do I do X with Cocoon?"
helpful developer: "You'll need the latest development version for that."
newbie: "How do I get that?"
helpful developer: "First you need to install a Subversion client..."
I don't have a solution, I'm just trying to tie together the discussions of
releases, Subversion, and building from source, so that the dev gang is
thinking about it.
If all the cool features that users want to play with are in the HEAD via
Subversion, you might think about easing the path to entry for the new
user...
Jeff
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Andrew Savory <an...@luminas.co.uk>.
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Steven Noels wrote:
> IMHO, it's simply unworkable to have major stuff going on in one module,
> over two branches, at the same time.
In CVS, I've always found branches == pain.
I appreciate a move to something like subversion is quite a revolution,
and I'd suggest it's something best kept for the next "revolution" in
Cocoon (like the jump from 1.x to 2.x).
But I'd really like to see a 2.2 module created now. Should we put it to a
vote?
Oh, and I'm +1 on 2.1.1 on Friday.
Andrew.
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Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Steven Noels wrote:
> I'm +1 on a 2.2 module, and +1 on 2.1.1 on Friday. Fortress might be
> something for 2.2 rather than 2.1.1, but I'll leave that to the people
^^^^^
duh: 2.1.x, of course
</Steven>
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Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> I haven't got it: How are we able to release e.g. 2.1.2 without a
> branch/new repository without using e.g. Fortress as container (nothing
> against Fortress, I'm no specialist in these container things and maybe
> this is the reason for my concerns)? I would like to give us some time
> until we do a "production ready" release with all those new things. In
> the meantime we should always be able to do a stable 2.1.x release?
>
> Did I miss something?
Nope, you've got my 'hint'. ;-)
IMHO, it's simply unworkable to have major stuff going on in one module,
over two branches, at the same time. We've been there before with the
docs and Cocoon2. Now however, some people were quite vocal in
explaining they still wanted to stick to one module & branch. If they do
the actual work, they get to decide how things are done (tm). But
vice-versa as well, of course, which seems to be what Carsten is
pointing at.
See Sylvain's reply as well.
I'm +1 on a 2.2 module, and +1 on 2.1.1 on Friday. Fortress might be
something for 2.2 rather than 2.1.1, but I'll leave that to the people
doing the actual work to decide.
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
From: Steven Noels
> Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>
> > I understand your feelings ...
> >
> > IMO we should be able to release 2.1.x version in the
> future. Mabe I'm
> > a bit afraid of the changes (blocks, fortress, virtual sitemap
> > components) and how long it takes us to release stable versions of
> > Cocoon (not beta, not milestone or something else) again if
> we don't
> > branch or fork our repository.
>
> Look at what happened to 2.0.x: quite some stuff has been backported
> onto it even after 2.1 started achieving release quality. As long as
> anyone goes for it, starting another module or not doesn't mean we
> aren't able to bugfix, backport and release older versions.
I haven't got it: How are we able to release e.g. 2.1.2 without a
branch/new repository without using e.g. Fortress as container (nothing
against Fortress, I'm no specialist in these container things and maybe
this is the reason for my concerns)? I would like to give us some time
until we do a "production ready" release with all those new things. In
the meantime we should always be able to do a stable 2.1.x release?
Did I miss something?
> Of course, having a separate module for major versions (2.x) makes
> shifting things around a lot easier.
>
> > I think so many people (of course including me) were
> waiting for 2.1
> > and I really want to use it for some time in production
> without doing
> > alpha/beta testing of 2.2 and I like to have "support" of bugfix
> > releases of 2.1 (see the security holes Sylvain fixed
> recently, maybe
> > we can release a stable Cocoon Forms, ...).
> >
> > Am I (and Carsten) alone with this opinions?
>
> Not at all. Don't forget the silent majority.
Please stand up1 ;)
Reinhard
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> I understand your feelings ...
>
> IMO we should be able to release 2.1.x version in the future. Mabe I'm a
> bit afraid of the changes (blocks, fortress, virtual sitemap components)
> and how long it takes us to release stable versions of Cocoon (not beta,
> not milestone or something else) again if we don't branch or fork our
> repository.
Look at what happened to 2.0.x: quite some stuff has been backported
onto it even after 2.1 started achieving release quality. As long as
anyone goes for it, starting another module or not doesn't mean we
aren't able to bugfix, backport and release older versions.
Of course, having a separate module for major versions (2.x) makes
shifting things around a lot easier.
> I think so many people (of course including me) were waiting for 2.1 and
> I really want to use it for some time in production without doing
> alpha/beta testing of 2.2 and I like to have "support" of bugfix
> releases of 2.1 (see the security holes Sylvain fixed recently, maybe we
> can release a stable Cocoon Forms, ...).
>
> Am I (and Carsten) alone with this opinions?
Not at all. Don't forget the silent majority.
</Steven>
--
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Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
From: Antonio Gallardo
> Timothy Larson dijo:
> > --- Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> > ...
> >> I think so many people (of course including me) were
> waiting for 2.1
> >> and I really want to use it for some time in production
> without doing
> >> alpha/beta testing of 2.2 and I like to have "support" of bugfix
> >> releases of 2.1 (see the security holes Sylvain fixed
> recently, maybe
> >> we can release a stable Cocoon Forms, ...).
> >>
> >> Am I (and Carsten) alone with this opinions?
> >>
> Here is another critical bug:
>
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20308
Critical of course but not a blocker because in releases Carsten sets
Xalan as default XSLT transformer.
Cheers,
Reinhard
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Timothy Larson dijo:
> --- Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...
>> I think so many people (of course including me) were waiting for 2.1
>> and I really want to use it for some time in production without doing
>> alpha/beta testing of 2.2 and I like to have "support" of bugfix
>> releases of 2.1 (see the security holes Sylvain fixed recently, maybe
>> we can release a stable Cocoon Forms, ...).
>>
>> Am I (and Carsten) alone with this opinions?
>>
Here is another critical bug:
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20308
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Timothy Larson <ti...@yahoo.com>.
--- Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org> wrote:
...
> I think so many people (of course including me) were waiting for 2.1 and
> I really want to use it for some time in production without doing
> alpha/beta testing of 2.2 and I like to have "support" of bugfix
> releases of 2.1 (see the security holes Sylvain fixed recently, maybe we
> can release a stable Cocoon Forms, ...).
>
> Am I (and Carsten) alone with this opinions?
>
> Reinhard
I agree with you that we need to keep a stable 2.1 line running with
bugfixes and backports from 2.2, just like was done with 2.0.
It would be too risky to run 2.1 in production if the only way to get
bugfixes and security fixes were to upgrade to the development 2.2.
--Tim Larson
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RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
From: Carsten Ziegeler
> Im really tired of discussing this (it's not your fault, Reinhard).
>
> I suggested again and again to start a new repository for 2.2
> (which is equivalent to starting a 2.2 branch - or a 2.1.x
> branch), but I always got the reply "let's see if we really
> need 2.2, let's stick to 2.1 for now." Now, only 5 days later
> people ask for it. So, if someone feels that our current
> approach is wrong, start a new thread; I will not do it. BTW,
> each release is tagged and we can always create a
> maintainance branch afterwards - but that wouldn't be the way
> we decided to use the cvs months ago...
I understand your feelings ...
IMO we should be able to release 2.1.x version in the future. Mabe I'm a
bit afraid of the changes (blocks, fortress, virtual sitemap components)
and how long it takes us to release stable versions of Cocoon (not beta,
not milestone or something else) again if we don't branch or fork our
repository.
I think so many people (of course including me) were waiting for 2.1 and
I really want to use it for some time in production without doing
alpha/beta testing of 2.2 and I like to have "support" of bugfix
releases of 2.1 (see the security holes Sylvain fixed recently, maybe we
can release a stable Cocoon Forms, ...).
Am I (and Carsten) alone with this opinions?
Reinhard
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> > > Since we decided that we don't like creating new repositories
> > > nor CVS branches, I assume this will be the last release in
> > > the 2.1.x series?
> >
> > If this doesn't mean that we wait another 18 months or so
> > until releasing 2.2 ... ;)
>
> more seriously: How do we deal with bugfix releases in the future if we
> don't have a branch or another repository?
>
I'm really tired of discussing this (it's not your fault, Reinhard).
I suggested again and again to start a new repository for 2.2 (which is
equivalent
to starting a 2.2 branch - or a 2.1.x branch), but I always got the reply
"let's see if we really need 2.2, let's stick to 2.1 for now." Now, only
5 days later people ask for it.
So, if someone feels that our current approach is wrong, start a new thread;
I will not do it.
BTW, each release is tagged and we can always create a maintainance branch
afterwards - but that wouldn't be the way we decided to use the cvs months
ago...
Carsten
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
From: Reinhard Poetz
> From: Bruno Dumon
>
> > On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:01, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > <snip/>
> > > As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I
> > propose to do the
> > > release this friday.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Since we decided that we don't like creating new repositories
> > nor CVS branches, I assume this will be the last release in
> > the 2.1.x series?
>
> If this doesn't mean that we wait another 18 months or so
> until releasing 2.2 ... ;)
more seriously: How do we deal with bugfix releases in the future if we
don't have a branch or another repository?
Cheers,
Reinhard
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
From: Bruno Dumon
> On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:01, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> <snip/>
> > As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I
> propose to do the
> > release this friday.
>
> +1
>
> Since we decided that we don't like creating new repositories
> nor CVS branches, I assume this will be the last release in
> the 2.1.x series?
If this doesn't mean that we wait another 18 months or so until
releasing 2.2 ... ;)
Cheers,
Reinhard
>
> --
> Bruno Dumon http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> bruno@outerthought.org bruno@apache.org
>
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Bruno Dumon <br...@outerthought.org>.
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 12:01, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
<snip/>
> As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I propose
> to do the release this friday.
+1
Since we decided that we don't like creating new repositories nor CVS
branches, I assume this will be the last release in the 2.1.x series?
--
Bruno Dumon http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
bruno@outerthought.org bruno@apache.org
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@upaya.co.uk>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>Thanks to Bruno we have a solution (or workaround)
>for the CommandManager problem. Great!
>
>So afaik we don't have another blocker for the 2.1.1 release.
>
>As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I propose
>to do the release this friday.
>
>The alternatives are:
>- someone else does the release in the next three weeks
>- or we wait until i'm back
>
>I think the description on the wiki for doing a release is very
>good (I use it each time myself ;) ), so if someone is volunteering,
>I'm fine with that as well of course.
>
>
>Carsten
>
>
+1
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Carsten Ziegeler dijo:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>>
>> +1 ;) But please include:
>>
>> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13070
>>
> I will apply the patch asap. Thanks Antonio!
>
> Could you please provide some docs as well for using the
> logicsheet in the correct xml format. Something like you
> have in the readme perhaps with two or three more
> sentences wrapped in a correct xml doc would be enough.
> That would be great ;)
Hi:
Thanks Carsten :)
I will try my best ;)
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
>
> Thanks
> Carsten
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
> +1 ;) But please include:
>
> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13070
>
I will apply the patch asap. Thanks Antonio!
Could you please provide some docs as well for using the
logicsheet in the correct xml format. Something like you
have in the readme perhaps with two or three more
sentences wrapped in a correct xml doc would be enough.
That would be great ;)
Thanks
Carsten
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi dijo:
>
> Carsten Ziegeler wrote, On 03/09/2003 12.01:
> ...
>> As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I propose
>> to do the release this friday.
>
> +1
+1 ;) But please include:
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13070
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote, On 03/09/2003 12.01:
...
> As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I propose
> to do the release this friday.
+1
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by David Kavanagh <da...@dotech.com>.
Whops! I ment to mail to Carsten (as he and I had conversations about
this before the scheduler switch)
Sorry.
David Kavanagh wrote:
> So, if I followed all the scheduler stuff going back and forth for the
> past week, the Quartz scheduler is being used and your scheduler stuff
> uses it now. I just wanted to wait for the dust to settle before
> thinking about getting some other functionality moved into your
> scheduler. If/When I get time, should I just get a CVS image and mail
> you changes?
>
> David
>
> Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>
>>Giacomo Pati wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I will have a look at the cron block right now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Thanks, awaiting your comments :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi Giacomo,
>>
>>please look at the other thread (Cron Block). I added
>>an addPeriodicJob() method to your scheduler to allow
>>periodic invocation (in seconds).
>>
>>With that change I'm able to convert to your scheduler
>>and we can forget the cornerstone one (and 5 jar files...)
>>
>>Carsten
>>
>>
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Hi,
I just removed my scheduler from the scratchpad. The new cron based
scheduler from Giacomo is very similar.
If you have any changes/editions you can enter a patch (like you
already did) into bugzilla.
Carsten
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kavanagh [mailto:dak@dotech.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:53 PM
To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
So, if I followed all the scheduler stuff going back and forth for the past
week, the Quartz scheduler is being used and your scheduler stuff uses it
now. I just wanted to wait for the dust to settle before thinking about
getting some other functionality moved into your scheduler. If/When I get
time, should I just get a CVS image and mail you changes?
David
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Giacomo Pati wrote:
I will have a look at the cron block right now.
Thanks, awaiting your comments :-)
Hi Giacomo,
please look at the other thread (Cron Block). I added
an addPeriodicJob() method to your scheduler to allow
periodic invocation (in seconds).
With that change I'm able to convert to your scheduler
and we can forget the cornerstone one (and 5 jar files...)
Carsten
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by David Kavanagh <da...@dotech.com>.
So, if I followed all the scheduler stuff going back and forth for the
past week, the Quartz scheduler is being used and your scheduler stuff
uses it now. I just wanted to wait for the dust to settle before
thinking about getting some other functionality moved into your
scheduler. If/When I get time, should I just get a CVS image and mail
you changes?
David
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>Giacomo Pati wrote:
>
>
>>>I will have a look at the cron block right now.
>>>
>>>
>>Thanks, awaiting your comments :-)
>>
>>
>>
>Hi Giacomo,
>
>please look at the other thread (Cron Block). I added
>an addPeriodicJob() method to your scheduler to allow
>periodic invocation (in seconds).
>
>With that change I'm able to convert to your scheduler
>and we can forget the cornerstone one (and 5 jar files...)
>
>Carsten
>
>
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>
> > Giacomo Pati wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>please look at the other thread (Cron Block). I added
> >>>an addPeriodicJob() method to your scheduler to allow
> >>>periodic invocation (in seconds).
> >>>
> >>>With that change I'm able to convert to your scheduler
> >>>and we can forget the cornerstone one (and 5 jar files...)
> >>
> >>Why didnd you use a addJob(...., "* * * * * *", ...) which will be
> >>triggered each second?
> >>
> >
> > Yes, this is easy for each second, but what when I want to schedule the
> > job, let's say every 5 seconds or every 80 minutes?
>
> According to cron specs:
>
> "* * * * * */5" -> every five seconds
> "* * * * */80 *" -> every 80 minutes
No, Quartz dosn't accept a */80. It complains it must not be >60
Actually the cron spec it the other way around:
seconds minutes hours days months weekdays [years]
The seconds and years isn't in the cron spec IIRC. But Quartz has
introduced it.
--
Giacomo Pati
Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Giacomo Pati wrote:
>
>
>>>please look at the other thread (Cron Block). I added
>>>an addPeriodicJob() method to your scheduler to allow
>>>periodic invocation (in seconds).
>>>
>>>With that change I'm able to convert to your scheduler
>>>and we can forget the cornerstone one (and 5 jar files...)
>>
>>Why didnd you use a addJob(...., "* * * * * *", ...) which will be
>>triggered each second?
>>
>
> Yes, this is easy for each second, but what when I want to schedule the
> job, let's say every 5 seconds or every 80 minutes?
According to cron specs:
"* * * * * */5" -> every five seconds
"* * * * */80 *" -> every 80 minutes
Can it handle this?
--
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Giacomo Pati dijo:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>> Carsten Ziegeler dijo:
>> > Giacomo Pati wrote:
>> >> > I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible
>> >> from here right
>> >> > now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger
>> :)
>> >>
>> >> Go blame you ISP :-)
>> >>
>> > Or I can drink some "corn" until I forget about it :)
>>
>> Do you mean corn wine? lol.
>
> No, he means a schnapps (made from corn or grain).
I think I know the drink Carsten said.... Once upon a time... when I was a
student in Slovakia there was some bags with corn in little grains. I dont
remember the name, sorry :( But I know here is some people from Slovakia
that can help me to remeber the name of the drink. :)
>
>> Seriously, here in Latin America this is a kind of native drink.
>
> One gets "native" very soon drinking the "corn" Carsten means ;-)
>
>> In my
>> country it is called "chicha bruja" Also the indians has another drink
>> using corn it is destilled alcohol called "cususa". :)
>
> Corn from sweet corn?
Yep! There are also many other drinks with corn here. One is also a mix of
corn with cocoa called "pinolillo". This is very nice :)
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Matthew Langham <ml...@s-und-n.de>.
>
> > Seriously, here in Latin America this is a kind of native drink.
>
> One gets "native" very soon drinking the "corn" Carsten means ;-)
>
> > In my
> > country it is called "chicha bruja" Also the indians has another drink
> > using corn it is destilled alcohol called "cususa". :)
>
> Corn from sweet corn?
>
Can we have a "corn" BOF at the GetTogether? Then we could compare notes on
this interesting subject.
;-)
Matthew
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> Carsten Ziegeler dijo:
> > Giacomo Pati wrote:
> >> > I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible
> >> from here right
> >> > now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger :)
> >>
> >> Go blame you ISP :-)
> >>
> > Or I can drink some "corn" until I forget about it :)
>
> Do you mean corn wine? lol.
No, he means a schnapps (made from corn or grain).
> Seriously, here in Latin America this is a kind of native drink.
One gets "native" very soon drinking the "corn" Carsten means ;-)
> In my
> country it is called "chicha bruja" Also the indians has another drink
> using corn it is destilled alcohol called "cususa". :)
Corn from sweet corn?
--
Giacomo Pati
Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi dijo:
>
> On Thursday, Sep 4, 2003, at 16:21 Europe/Rome, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>
>> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>>>
>>> Carsten Ziegeler dijo:
>>>> Giacomo Pati wrote:
>>>>>> I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible
>>>>> from here right
>>>>>> now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Go blame you ISP :-)
>>>>>
>>>> Or I can drink some "corn" until I forget about it :)
>>>
>>> Do you mean corn wine? lol.
>>>
>>> Seriously, here in Latin America this is a kind of native drink. In
>>> my country it is called "chicha bruja" Also the indians has another
>>> drink using corn it is destilled alcohol called "cususa". :)
>>>
>> Sounds good to me as well :)
>
> hmmm, Antonio forgot to tell you that chicha is fermented with the spit
> of the people who make it? still sounds good? ;-)
Nice joke! :)
Remember there was Aztecas and Incas in America. Stefano visists the old
Inca's empire zone. I live in the old Azteca's empire zone and here this
does not apply. Maybe on the south they do that, who knows. I also asked
from my parents and they said this is not true. To fermentation they use
cane's sugar. Anyway here in my country when we need alcohol we drink rum
called "Flor de Caña" - http://www.flordecana.com/ (but if your are under
18, I dont recommend you to visit this site! ;)
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
>
> --
> Stefano.
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
On Thursday, Sep 4, 2003, at 16:21 Europe/Rome, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>>
>> Carsten Ziegeler dijo:
>>> Giacomo Pati wrote:
>>>>> I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible
>>>> from here right
>>>>> now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger :)
>>>>
>>>> Go blame you ISP :-)
>>>>
>>> Or I can drink some "corn" until I forget about it :)
>>
>> Do you mean corn wine? lol.
>>
>> Seriously, here in Latin America this is a kind of native drink. In my
>> country it is called "chicha bruja" Also the indians has another drink
>> using corn it is destilled alcohol called "cususa". :)
>>
> Sounds good to me as well :)
hmmm, Antonio forgot to tell you that chicha is fermented with the spit
of the people who make it? still sounds good? ;-)
--
Stefano.
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
> Carsten Ziegeler dijo:
> > Giacomo Pati wrote:
> >> > I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible
> >> from here right
> >> > now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger :)
> >>
> >> Go blame you ISP :-)
> >>
> > Or I can drink some "corn" until I forget about it :)
>
> Do you mean corn wine? lol.
>
> Seriously, here in Latin America this is a kind of native drink. In my
> country it is called "chicha bruja" Also the indians has another drink
> using corn it is destilled alcohol called "cususa". :)
>
Sounds good to me as well :)
Carsten
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Carsten Ziegeler dijo:
> Giacomo Pati wrote:
>> > I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible
>> from here right
>> > now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger :)
>>
>> Go blame you ISP :-)
>>
> Or I can drink some "corn" until I forget about it :)
Do you mean corn wine? lol.
Seriously, here in Latin America this is a kind of native drink. In my
country it is called "chicha bruja" Also the indians has another drink
using corn it is destilled alcohol called "cususa". :)
Best Regards,
Antonio
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Niclas Hedhman dijo:
> On Saturday 13 September 2003 20:46, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>> > Writing DOS comes to mind my the interesting means of this abrev.
>> for today world (Denial of services) I wonder think of what will
>> means Windows
>> > in the future of the Internet!
>>
>> what about
>>
>> Windows Intruding Nicely Debugged Operations With Sh*t
>>
>> it's even recursive ;-)
>
> MS will also probably push the XP name pretty hard. The "XP OS" then
> becomes "Extreme Piece Of S**t" ;o)
That is totally cool! :))))))))) lol.
Antonio Gallardo.
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Saturday 13 September 2003 20:46, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> > Writing DOS comes to mind my the interesting means of this abrev. for
> > today world (Denial of services) I wonder think of what will means
> > Windows
> > in the future of the Internet!
>
> what about
>
> Windows Intruding Nicely Debugged Operations With Sh*t
>
> it's even recursive ;-)
MS will also probably push the XP name pretty hard. The "XP OS" then becomes
"Extreme Piece Of S**t" ;o)
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
On Thursday, Sep 4, 2003, at 16:13 Europe/Rome, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> Giacomo Pati dijo:
>>>> Have a look at
>>>> http://quartz.sourceforge.net/javadoc/org/quartz/CronTrigger.html
>>> for more details.
>>>>
>>> I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible from
>>> here
>>> right now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger
>>> :)
>>
>> Go blame you ISP :-)
>
> Nope it was another sf.net error. sf.net site is very busy and it
> happens
> from time to time. Afortunately, sf.net is doing some works to avoid
> this
> DOS.
>
> Writing DOS comes to mind my the interesting means of this abrev. for
> today world (Denial of services) I wonder think of what will means
> Windows
> in the future of the Internet!
what about
Windows Intruding Nicely Debugged Operations With Sh*t
it's even recursive ;-)
--
Stefano.
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Giacomo Pati dijo:
>> > Have a look at
>> > http://quartz.sourceforge.net/javadoc/org/quartz/CronTrigger.html
>> for more details.
>> >
>> I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible from here
>> right now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger
>> :)
>
> Go blame you ISP :-)
Nope it was another sf.net error. sf.net site is very busy and it happens
from time to time. Afortunately, sf.net is doing some works to avoid this
DOS.
Writing DOS comes to mind my the interesting means of this abrev. for
today world (Denial of services) I wonder think of what will means Windows
in the future of the Internet!
lol. ;)
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo.
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Giacomo Pati wrote:
> > I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible
> from here right
> > now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger :)
>
> Go blame you ISP :-)
>
Or I can drink some "corn" until I forget about it :)
Carsten
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Giacomo Pati wrote:
> > > >
> > > Yes, this is easy for each second, but what when I want to schedule the
> > > job, let's say every 5 seconds or every 80 minutes?
> >
> > You don't know cron, don't you?
> >
> No, and the expert I ask, suggested to write 0,5,10,... * * * * :)
>
> > every 5 second: */5 * * * *
> > every 80 minutes: hmm... how's going to schedule a periodic job every 80
> > minutes (dumb example :-)?
> >
> :), so it's a hard one, isn't it? Ok, it can be written as a cron
> configuration
> e.g. if you use two triggers (or three). But I want to have an easy way of
> configuring it, which means I want to say 80 minutes. If someone (a
> UtilClass)
> is able to create a cron configuration out of it, I'm fine :)
>
> > Have a look at
> > http://quartz.sourceforge.net/javadoc/org/quartz/CronTrigger.html
> > for more details.
> >
> I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible from here right
> now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger :)
Go blame you ISP :-)
--
Giacomo Pati
Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Giacomo Pati wrote:
> > >
> > Yes, this is easy for each second, but what when I want to schedule the
> > job, let's say every 5 seconds or every 80 minutes?
>
> You don't know cron, don't you?
>
No, and the expert I ask, suggested to write 0,5,10,... * * * * :)
> every 5 second: */5 * * * *
> every 80 minutes: hmm... how's going to schedule a periodic job every 80
> minutes (dumb example :-)?
>
:), so it's a hard one, isn't it? Ok, it can be written as a cron
configuration
e.g. if you use two triggers (or three). But I want to have an easy way of
configuring it, which means I want to say 80 minutes. If someone (a
UtilClass)
is able to create a cron configuration out of it, I'm fine :)
> Have a look at
> http://quartz.sourceforge.net/javadoc/org/quartz/CronTrigger.html
> for more details.
>
I would love to, but it is - for any reason - not accessible from here right
now - only the tutorial. And there I found the periodic trigger :)
Carsten
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Giacomo Pati wrote:
>
> > > please look at the other thread (Cron Block). I added
> > > an addPeriodicJob() method to your scheduler to allow
> > > periodic invocation (in seconds).
> > >
> > > With that change I'm able to convert to your scheduler
> > > and we can forget the cornerstone one (and 5 jar files...)
> >
> > Why didnd you use a addJob(...., "* * * * * *", ...) which will be
> > triggered each second?
> >
> Yes, this is easy for each second, but what when I want to schedule the
> job, let's say every 5 seconds or every 80 minutes?
You don't know cron, don't you?
every 5 second: */5 * * * *
every 80 minutes: hmm... how's going to schedule a periodic job every 80
minutes (dumb example :-)?
Have a look at
http://quartz.sourceforge.net/javadoc/org/quartz/CronTrigger.html
for more details.
--
Giacomo Pati
Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Giacomo Pati wrote:
> > please look at the other thread (Cron Block). I added
> > an addPeriodicJob() method to your scheduler to allow
> > periodic invocation (in seconds).
> >
> > With that change I'm able to convert to your scheduler
> > and we can forget the cornerstone one (and 5 jar files...)
>
> Why didnd you use a addJob(...., "* * * * * *", ...) which will be
> triggered each second?
>
Yes, this is easy for each second, but what when I want to schedule the
job, let's say every 5 seconds or every 80 minutes?
Carsten
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Giacomo Pati wrote:
> > > I will have a look at the cron block right now.
> >
> > Thanks, awaiting your comments :-)
> >
> Hi Giacomo,
>
> please look at the other thread (Cron Block). I added
> an addPeriodicJob() method to your scheduler to allow
> periodic invocation (in seconds).
>
> With that change I'm able to convert to your scheduler
> and we can forget the cornerstone one (and 5 jar files...)
Why didnd you use a addJob(...., "* * * * * *", ...) which will be
triggered each second?
--
Giacomo Pati
Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Giacomo Pati wrote:
> > I will have a look at the cron block right now.
>
> Thanks, awaiting your comments :-)
>
Hi Giacomo,
please look at the other thread (Cron Block). I added
an addPeriodicJob() method to your scheduler to allow
periodic invocation (in seconds).
With that change I'm able to convert to your scheduler
and we can forget the cornerstone one (and 5 jar files...)
Carsten
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Giacomo Pati wrote:
> > One thing I'd like to put in:
> >
> > Now that the new Corn block has been added, can we get rid of the
> > Cornerstone Scheduler? If we can, it would never appear in ANY release.
> >
> Corn? Nice. You know, if you go into a pub you often order "a beer and
> a corn (=booze)". Ok, I'm drifting away...
It seems I'm always in a hurry, but Korn is good anyway (sometimes).
:-)
> I will have a look at the cron block right now.
Thanks, awaiting your comments :-)
--
Giacomo Pati
Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Giacomo Pati wrote:
> One thing I'd like to put in:
>
> Now that the new Corn block has been added, can we get rid of the
> Cornerstone Scheduler? If we can, it would never appear in ANY release.
>
Corn? Nice. You know, if you go into a pub you often order "a beer and
a corn (=booze)". Ok, I'm drifting away...
I will have a look at the cron block right now.
Carsten
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Thanks to Bruno we have a solution (or workaround)
> for the CommandManager problem. Great!
>
> So afaik we don't have another blocker for the 2.1.1 release.
>
> As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I propose
> to do the release this friday.
+1 for friday.
One thing I'd like to put in:
Now that the new Corn block has been added, can we get rid of the
Cornerstone Scheduler? If we can, it would never appear in ANY release.
--
Giacomo Pati
Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jh...@virbus.de>.
Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>
>> a comment by Vadim:
>> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106096301526641&w=2
>
> My comment has nothing to do with proxies. As Joerg found out, this is
> the problem with M$ html "extensions" and XPath:
>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106100194226641&w=2
>
>
> Consensus was to switch away from yahoo to some other site, say, google.
> Not sure if it was done or not yet...
>
>
> Vadim
The switch is done, it's a really pure list of Google tech and SciFi
news until now.
Joerg
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
From: Vadim Gritsenko
> Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>
> >a comment by Vadim:
> >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106096301526641&w=2
> >
> >
> >
>
> My comment has nothing to do with proxies. As Joerg found
> out, this is
> the problem with M$ html "extensions" and XPath:
>
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106100194226641&w=2
Thank you for clarification!
Reinhard
Re: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@verizon.net>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>a comment by Vadim:
>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106096301526641&w=2
>
>
>
My comment has nothing to do with proxies. As Joerg found out, this is
the problem with M$ html "extensions" and XPath:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106100194226641&w=2
Consensus was to switch away from yahoo to some other site, say, google.
Not sure if it was done or not yet...
Vadim
>the original bug report on the users list:
>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-users&m=106018487631767&w=2
>
>
>I'm not sure - I think Vadim and Jörg worked on this issue.
>
>Reinhard
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Carsten Ziegeler [mailto:cziegeler@s-und-n.de]
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:50 PM
>>To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
>>Subject: RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
>>
>>
>>Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One question: Has the issue with proxies been solved?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Do you have a pointer?
>>
>>Carsten
>>
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
a comment by Vadim:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106096301526641&w=2
the original bug report on the users list:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-users&m=106018487631767&w=2
I'm not sure - I think Vadim and Jörg worked on this issue.
Reinhard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carsten Ziegeler [mailto:cziegeler@s-und-n.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:50 PM
> To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
>
>
> Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> > One question: Has the issue with proxies been solved?
> >
> Do you have a pointer?
>
> Carsten
>
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> One question: Has the issue with proxies been solved?
>
Do you have a pointer?
Carsten
RE: [Vote] Releasing 2.1.1
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
From: Carsten Ziegeler
> Thanks to Bruno we have a solution (or workaround)
> for the CommandManager problem. Great!
>
> So afaik we don't have another blocker for the 2.1.1 release.
>
> As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I propose
> to do the release this friday.
>
> The alternatives are:
> - someone else does the release in the next three weeks
> - or we wait until i'm back
>
> I think the description on the wiki for doing a release is
> very good (I use it each time myself ;) ), so if someone is
> volunteering, I'm fine with that as well of course.
+1 for this friday
One question: Has the issue with proxies been solved?
Reinhard