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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl> on 2012/10/20 17:07:53 UTC
[DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Hi,
Om, first: sorry for changing my mind ;-)
All, here are my thoughts: after careful reading of the VOTE thread I
see three ways to continue:
1. release
2. remove localisation from first release
3. fix localisation (and maybe other issues) before first release
I'm now changing my vote away from option 1 (however tempting) because
I sure that we'll never get a second chance for a first impression.
And first impressions are all that matter since we're trying to win
back confidence in Flex as a viable software creation tool.
I'm also not a big fan of 3. This would mean that we have to change
around some stuff, and test the changes etc. I think this is more work
that we'd do for a next release (in concert, maybe, with the next
release of the framework, as Alex suggested).
I would like to suggest that we go with option 2. This would (I think,
without looking at the code) require only the changing of one line of
code (setting the ONLY language option to en_US) and the setting of
one property (hiding the option ComboBox from view). Minimal changes
would allow us to cut RC8 really soon and get a new VOTE going...
Thoughts?
EdB
--
Ix Multimedia Software
Jan Luykenstraat 27
3521 VB Utrecht
T. 06-51952295
I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Stefan Horochovec <st...@gmail.com>.
Great news!
Stefan Horochovec
2012/10/22 Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>
> "Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more!"
>
> We're preparing RC8, with localisation disabled.
>
> Keep your +1's handy, the VOTE will be started shortly :-)
>
> EdB
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Christophe Herreman
> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1 for a first release without localisation
> >
> > 2012/10/21 Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> On Saturday, October 20, 2012, Justin Mclean wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > -1 for removing localisation. How hard would it be to test the
> supplied
> >> > patch that looks like it fixes the issue?
> >> >
> >> > I can test on non US locals, and have been able to reproduce the issue
> >> BTW.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Justin
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Hard enough that it hasn't been tested and fixed thoroughly after 7 RCs.
> >> Release early, release often... the main functionality works, since we
> can
> >> disable localization for first release an bring it back once all the
> bugs
> >> are finally fixed we should do exactly that. Itd be different if it
> didn't
> >> perform its main task, but seeing that there are no show stopper issues
> we
> >> shoul release already.
> >>
> >> -Omar
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Christophe Herreman
> > http://www.herrodius.com
> > http://www.springactionscript.org
> > http://www.as3commons.org
>
>
>
> --
> Ix Multimedia Software
>
> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> 3521 VB Utrecht
>
> T. 06-51952295
> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>.
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more!"
We're preparing RC8, with localisation disabled.
Keep your +1's handy, the VOTE will be started shortly :-)
EdB
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Christophe Herreman
<ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for a first release without localisation
>
> 2012/10/21 Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>
>
>> On Saturday, October 20, 2012, Justin Mclean wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > -1 for removing localisation. How hard would it be to test the supplied
>> > patch that looks like it fixes the issue?
>> >
>> > I can test on non US locals, and have been able to reproduce the issue
>> BTW.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
>> >
>> >
>> Hard enough that it hasn't been tested and fixed thoroughly after 7 RCs.
>> Release early, release often... the main functionality works, since we can
>> disable localization for first release an bring it back once all the bugs
>> are finally fixed we should do exactly that. Itd be different if it didn't
>> perform its main task, but seeing that there are no show stopper issues we
>> shoul release already.
>>
>> -Omar
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Christophe Herreman
> http://www.herrodius.com
> http://www.springactionscript.org
> http://www.as3commons.org
--
Ix Multimedia Software
Jan Luykenstraat 27
3521 VB Utrecht
T. 06-51952295
I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Christophe Herreman <ch...@gmail.com>.
+1 for a first release without localisation
2012/10/21 Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>
> On Saturday, October 20, 2012, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > -1 for removing localisation. How hard would it be to test the supplied
> > patch that looks like it fixes the issue?
> >
> > I can test on non US locals, and have been able to reproduce the issue
> BTW.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> >
> Hard enough that it hasn't been tested and fixed thoroughly after 7 RCs.
> Release early, release often... the main functionality works, since we can
> disable localization for first release an bring it back once all the bugs
> are finally fixed we should do exactly that. Itd be different if it didn't
> perform its main task, but seeing that there are no show stopper issues we
> shoul release already.
>
> -Omar
>
--
Christophe Herreman
http://www.herrodius.com
http://www.springactionscript.org
http://www.as3commons.org
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>.
On Saturday, October 20, 2012, Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
>
> -1 for removing localisation. How hard would it be to test the supplied
> patch that looks like it fixes the issue?
>
> I can test on non US locals, and have been able to reproduce the issue BTW.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
Hard enough that it hasn't been tested and fixed thoroughly after 7 RCs.
Release early, release often... the main functionality works, since we can
disable localization for first release an bring it back once all the bugs
are finally fixed we should do exactly that. Itd be different if it didn't
perform its main task, but seeing that there are no show stopper issues we
shoul release already.
-Omar
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Om <bi...@gmail.com>.
We are not planning on removing localization. We want to disable it for
the first release.
We can take our time to do it right before we enable it in a subsequent
release.
Thanks,
Om
On Oct 20, 2012 4:35 PM, "Justin Mclean" <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> -1 for removing localisation. How hard would it be to test the supplied
> patch that looks like it fixes the issue?
>
> I can test on non US locals, and have been able to reproduce the issue BTW.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
-1 for removing localisation. How hard would it be to test the supplied patch that looks like it fixes the issue?
I can test on non US locals, and have been able to reproduce the issue BTW.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Stefan Horochovec <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi
Excellent idea Erik ;)
Option 2 +1
Regards
Stefan Horochovec
2012/10/20 Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>
> > I am worried if we would get peoole to vote in an another voting round.
> > But, I will leave that up to the community.
>
> I'm sure we've got everyone's attention now ;-)
>
> EdB
>
>
>
> --
> Ix Multimedia Software
>
> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> 3521 VB Utrecht
>
> T. 06-51952295
> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>.
> I am worried if we would get peoole to vote in an another voting round.
> But, I will leave that up to the community.
I'm sure we've got everyone's attention now ;-)
EdB
--
Ix Multimedia Software
Jan Luykenstraat 27
3521 VB Utrecht
T. 06-51952295
I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Om <bi...@gmail.com>.
+1 for option 2. Least risky option. That whole code path needs lots of
changes and testing.
I am worried if we would get peoole to vote in an another voting round.
But, I will leave that up to the community.
Om
On Oct 20, 2012 8:12 AM, "Omar Gonzalez" <om...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed, remove localization, release the app, and then bring back
> localization in a new release and we can then do more extensive testing and
> fixing, I'd vote #2.
>
> -omar
>
> On Saturday, October 20, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Om, first: sorry for changing my mind ;-)
> >
> > All, here are my thoughts: after careful reading of the VOTE thread I
> > see three ways to continue:
> >
> > 1. release
> > 2. remove localisation from first release
> > 3. fix localisation (and maybe other issues) before first release
> >
> > I'm now changing my vote away from option 1 (however tempting) because
> > I sure that we'll never get a second chance for a first impression.
> > And first impressions are all that matter since we're trying to win
> > back confidence in Flex as a viable software creation tool.
> >
> > I'm also not a big fan of 3. This would mean that we have to change
> > around some stuff, and test the changes etc. I think this is more work
> > that we'd do for a next release (in concert, maybe, with the next
> > release of the framework, as Alex suggested).
> >
> > I would like to suggest that we go with option 2. This would (I think,
> > without looking at the code) require only the changing of one line of
> > code (setting the ONLY language option to en_US) and the setting of
> > one property (hiding the option ComboBox from view). Minimal changes
> > would allow us to cut RC8 really soon and get a new VOTE going...
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > EdB
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ix Multimedia Software
> >
> > Jan Luykenstraat 27
> > 3521 VB Utrecht
> >
> > T. 06-51952295
> > I. www.ixsoftware.nl
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] InstallApacheFlex - RC8
Posted by Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>.
Agreed, remove localization, release the app, and then bring back
localization in a new release and we can then do more extensive testing and
fixing, I'd vote #2.
-omar
On Saturday, October 20, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Om, first: sorry for changing my mind ;-)
>
> All, here are my thoughts: after careful reading of the VOTE thread I
> see three ways to continue:
>
> 1. release
> 2. remove localisation from first release
> 3. fix localisation (and maybe other issues) before first release
>
> I'm now changing my vote away from option 1 (however tempting) because
> I sure that we'll never get a second chance for a first impression.
> And first impressions are all that matter since we're trying to win
> back confidence in Flex as a viable software creation tool.
>
> I'm also not a big fan of 3. This would mean that we have to change
> around some stuff, and test the changes etc. I think this is more work
> that we'd do for a next release (in concert, maybe, with the next
> release of the framework, as Alex suggested).
>
> I would like to suggest that we go with option 2. This would (I think,
> without looking at the code) require only the changing of one line of
> code (setting the ONLY language option to en_US) and the setting of
> one property (hiding the option ComboBox from view). Minimal changes
> would allow us to cut RC8 really soon and get a new VOTE going...
>
> Thoughts?
>
> EdB
>
>
>
> --
> Ix Multimedia Software
>
> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> 3521 VB Utrecht
>
> T. 06-51952295
> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>