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Posted to modperl@perl.apache.org by Bill Moseley <mo...@hank.org> on 2000/03/09 02:37:48 UTC
[OT] Which Unix
Hi,
"What SSL solution should I use..." got me wondering.
I do most of my work by telnet from a PC, but I've got a P133 PC with
Slackware on it, too. It needs to be rebuilt, so I'm wondering what the
best Unix flavor to use on this extra machine. I'd use it for building and
testing with mod_perl.
Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
$80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
issue.
Have any favorites?
Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley@hank.org
Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by "G.W. Haywood" <ge...@jubileegroup.co.uk>.
Hi all,
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Michael Robinton wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Trevor Phillips wrote:
> > Bill Moseley wrote:
> > > Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's
> > > easiest to get up and running with the least amount of work?
> >
> > I don't think anyone's mentioned Debian yet, so I'll add in a Plug
> > for it. ^_^ http://www.debian.org/ for more info and sources,
> >
> I've been using Slackware for year and found it very stable and
> reliable. You can download the whole shootin' match for debian,
> slackware, redhat from: ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/linux/
I also use Slackware (I'm still on Linux 2.0.34) with excellent
results, although it *was* a bit flaky until about three years ago.
The biggest problem I had when installing was to decide what I wanted
to install and what I didn't, as some of the packages duplicated
functionality. For example there were three different news servers.
The X configuration package was never very impressive. The manpage
organization is different from the other distributions, and like the
HOWTOs and some other docs they can be rather out of date - but you
can just go to a mirror to get the latest. The info system is crap.
My *three* different versions of emacs (terminal, Xterm, PC) are all
annoyingly different in irritating little ways which aren't quite
enough of a problem to sort out but *are* enough of a problem to say
"if Patrick J. Volkerding is reading this, please have a look at it".
The second biggest problem was Lilo (a boot loader) on my first LBA
disc drive. If you use Lilo, *don't* use LBA, stick to the real
number of tracks reported by the disc or you'll have weird troubles
which don't appear until after you've installed and you start using
the disc. Painful. I suppose I should say that my copy of Lilo is a
bit old, so the author may have put something in the docs about this
by now. Having said that, I really like Lilo. If possible, use a
freshly formatted disc, and don't put any other OS on it. Just make
one big partition, /dev/hda1. RAM is cheap enough now you don't need
a swap partition, but I'd use one on machines with less than say 256
Mbytes RAM.
I'd say if you don't absolutely know you want it, don't install it,
whatever it is. You can always go back and get it later. Forget
about downloading a couple of hundred Megabytes unless you're on a T1
line, get a CD. Upgrade the bits you need to upgrade, later.
I buy the CDs from Walnut Creek, they've been very helpful when there
were problems with a (very few) odd missing bits on other CDs, but
thankfully no problems like that on the Unixy stuff. They do most of
the other distributions too, so I picked up FreeBSD, RedHat and Debian
but didn't yet use them myself. I gave the RedHat CD to a friend of
mine (new to Unix) and he was a bit confused by the installation. It
works fine now, although he's got NINE partitions on a four Gigabyte
disc which is ridiculous. Ever since Daniel Jacobowitz re-joined the
List I've been thinking about installing Debian for my next machine...
If you go for Slackware and have trouble installing, drop me a line.
HTH.
73,
Ged.
Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by Michael Robinton <mi...@bizsystems.com>.
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Trevor Phillips wrote:
> Bill Moseley wrote:
> >
> > Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
> > up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
> > work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
> > $80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
> > issue.
> >
> > Have any favorites?
>
> I don't think anyone's mentioned Debian yet, so I'll add in a Plug for it. ^_^
> http://www.debian.org/ for more info and sources,
>
I've been using Slackware for year and found it very stable and reliable.
You can download the whole shootin' match for debian, slackware, redhat
from:
ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/linux/
Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by Trevor Phillips <ph...@central.murdoch.edu.au>.
Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
> up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
> work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
> $80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
> issue.
>
> Have any favorites?
I don't think anyone's mentioned Debian yet, so I'll add in a Plug for it. ^_^
http://www.debian.org/ for more info and sources,
It's a bit harder to install for the beginner, but if you have UNIX experience,
then you should be fine installing it. Once installed, its package management
is fantastic, and if you want a quick stable environment for mod_perl
development, you can use Debian's packaged Perl, Apache, Mod_Perl, etc...
Debian's package management has a strong set of dependencies which eliminate
messing around with runtime library versions, etc...
We currently use Sun/Solaris for all our servers (including Production ones),
but we are shifting to an Intel/Debian solution; Intel for the cheap(er) fast
hardware, and Debian for ease of install, system maintenance, and stability.
--
. Trevor Phillips - http://jurai.murdoch.edu.au/ .
: CWIS Systems Administrator - T.Phillips@murdoch.edu.au :
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Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by Gerd Knops <ge...@bitart.com>.
Bill Moseley wrote:
> Hi,
>
> "What SSL solution should I use..." got me wondering.
>
> I do most of my work by telnet from a PC, but I've got a P133 PC with
> Slackware on it, too. It needs to be rebuilt, so I'm wondering what the
> best Unix flavor to use on this extra machine. I'd use it for building and
> testing with mod_perl.
>
> Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
> up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
> work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
> $80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
> issue.
>
> Have any favorites?
>
FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org works great for me (and Yahoo! and Hotmail etc).
Gerd
Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by "Angel R. Rivera" <an...@wolf.com>.
If i am not mistaken, Raven comes as an object module so that should help.
At 09:33 AM 3/9/00 -0600, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>According to Bill Moseley:
>
> > Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
> > up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
> > work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
> > $80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
> > issue.
>
>If you want a secure server, you need the $149 'professional' Redhat
>bundle that (I think) includes RSA-licensed code. People have reported
>having trouble making a DSO version of mod_perl work with this and
>there are legal questions about recompiling it, so the easy approach
>would be to use this as a front end proxy to a built-from-source
>apache/mod_perl.
>
>As for OS versions in general, I happen to like the slightly modified
>verson of RedHat under ftp://ftp.valinux.com/pub/software/VALinux/
>for servers and Mandrake 7.0 for desktop use. Both are close enough
>to stock RedHat that there are few surprises and normal rpms drop
>in.
>
> Les Mikesell
> les@mcs.com
Angel R. Rivera, angel@wolf.com
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Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by Cliff Rayman <cl...@genwax.com>.
http://www.linuxmall.com/shop/01440
Vlad Safronov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Where did find "the CD for $1.89" on www.linuxmall.com ??
>
> Cliff Rayman wrote:
> >
> > I like RedHat myself.
> > You can get the CD for $1.89 from www.linuxmall.com and
> > try it out first before you spend $80 to help support further
> > development.
> >
> > i suggest that you build your perl, perl CPAN and modules,
> > apache and mod_perl from the sources so you have a cohesive,
> > reliable and up to date apache/mod_perl platform.
> >
> > cliff rayman
> > genwax.com
> >
> > Bill Moseley wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > "What SSL solution should I use..." got me wondering.
> > >
> > > I do most of my work by telnet from a PC, but I've got a P133 PC with
> > > Slackware on it, too. It needs to be rebuilt, so I'm wondering what the
> > > best Unix flavor to use on this extra machine. I'd use it for building and
> > > testing with mod_perl.
> > >
> > > Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
> > > up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
> > > work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
> > > $80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > Have any favorites?
> > >
> > > Bill Moseley
> > > mailto:moseley@hank.org
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> ******************************************************
> Vlad A. Safronov vlads@comptek.ru
Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by Vlad Safronov <vl...@comptek.ru>.
Hi!
Where did find "the CD for $1.89" on www.linuxmall.com ??
Cliff Rayman wrote:
>
> I like RedHat myself.
> You can get the CD for $1.89 from www.linuxmall.com and
> try it out first before you spend $80 to help support further
> development.
>
> i suggest that you build your perl, perl CPAN and modules,
> apache and mod_perl from the sources so you have a cohesive,
> reliable and up to date apache/mod_perl platform.
>
> cliff rayman
> genwax.com
>
> Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > "What SSL solution should I use..." got me wondering.
> >
> > I do most of my work by telnet from a PC, but I've got a P133 PC with
> > Slackware on it, too. It needs to be rebuilt, so I'm wondering what the
> > best Unix flavor to use on this extra machine. I'd use it for building and
> > testing with mod_perl.
> >
> > Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
> > up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
> > work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
> > $80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
> > issue.
> >
> > Have any favorites?
> >
> > Bill Moseley
> > mailto:moseley@hank.org
--
Best regards,
******************************************************
Vlad A. Safronov vlads@comptek.ru
Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by Cliff Rayman <cl...@genwax.com>.
I like RedHat myself.
You can get the CD for $1.89 from www.linuxmall.com and
try it out first before you spend $80 to help support further
development.
i suggest that you build your perl, perl CPAN and modules,
apache and mod_perl from the sources so you have a cohesive,
reliable and up to date apache/mod_perl platform.
cliff rayman
genwax.com
Bill Moseley wrote:
> Hi,
>
> "What SSL solution should I use..." got me wondering.
>
> I do most of my work by telnet from a PC, but I've got a P133 PC with
> Slackware on it, too. It needs to be rebuilt, so I'm wondering what the
> best Unix flavor to use on this extra machine. I'd use it for building and
> testing with mod_perl.
>
> Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
> up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
> work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
> $80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
> issue.
>
> Have any favorites?
>
> Bill Moseley
> mailto:moseley@hank.org
Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by Tom Mornini <tm...@infomania.com>.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Bill Moseley wrote:
> Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
> up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
> work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
> $80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
> issue.
I use Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD. I like them all. FreeBSD on Intel would
be my choice, though I'd prefer Solaris on Sparc even given the low
price/performance ratio.
Only problem with FreeBSD is lack of Oracle support...
--
-- Tom Mornini
-- InfoMania Printing and Prepress
Re: [OT] Which Unix
Posted by "Peter J. Schoenster" <we...@rede.com>.
On 8 Mar 00, at 17:37, Bill Moseley wrote:
> Not to start any wars, but anyone have a suggestion what's easiest to get
> up and running with the least amount of work? The machines I currently
> work on run BSD and Solaris, but I'd probably not do either of those. The
> $80 deluxe Redhat price doesn't scare me, so that amount of money isn't an
> issue.
I have never used mod_perl i an production environment ...
almost but I quit the company before it went live. I have
installed apache/mod_perl and tested my scripts/apps on
SuSe,Mandrake,RedHat (multiple versions), and Digital Unix and
I've never had a problem ... but I've always built from scratch
(no rpm's). How it works in a production environment might
return a different answer.
Peter
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