Design

[Mohammed Zabin <jo...@gmail.com>]

Hi All

I am developing an online exam site as a graduation project. I have some
questions regardsing the design:

1. In such a program which is a web site that introduce some multiple choice
questions, and shows the result of user answers, DO I HAVE TO USE EJB??

RE: Design

["Nelson, Tracy M." <Tr...@nelnet.net>]

| From: Pierre Goupil [mailto:goupilpierre@gmail.com]
| Sent: Tuesday, 19 June, 2007 05:59
| 
| And, no, definitely you don't need EJB : that's a too heavy-weight
| technology for such a project. And the learning curve is far more
longer.

Actually, with annotations and a supportive IDE (NetBeans, and probably
Eclipse as well), EJBs aren't too terribly difficult anymore.  You don't
have to worry about generating stubs and keeping your deployment
descriptors in sync anymore, pretty much all you have to do is specify
whether you want local and/or remote access.  They're not painless, but
they are friendlier.

That said, I agree that they're too heavyweight for this application.
I'd stick with Struts for handling the form submissions, and look into
Tomcat's connection pooling if database access is required.  This kind
of app wouldn't take an experienced web developer more than a couple of
days to write, after the requirements were nailed down.  It actually
sounds like an excellent "extended example" for learning web app
development.
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Re: Design

[Pierre Goupil <go...@gmail.com>]

Hello,

Learning curve means : the time it will take you to learn a new technology.
While learning it, you're not using it, that's the concept.

And yes, definitely, you should learn to use Spring : it's a kind of an
EJB-like service provider, but a lightweight one. As said, it will help you
code your interface with its MVC framework, amongst other things.

http://www.springframework.net

And, no, definitely you don't need EJB : that's a too heavy-weight
technology for such a project. And the learning curve is far more longer.

You can consider Struts as an alternative to Spring if you are only looking
for a view-layer framework :

http://struts.apache.org/

Regards,

Pierre


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Re: Design

[ben short <be...@benshort.co.uk>]

In learning the spring frameworks, or learning any new technology.

On 6/19/07, Mohammed Zabin <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What learning curve?
>
> On 6/19/07, ben short <be...@benshort.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Id suggest having a look at the spring web mvc stuff it can help you
> > simplify form submissions by mapping request params to objects so you
> > don't have to do, although there will be a slight learning curve.
> >
> > Just my 2 pence :)
> >
> > On 6/19/07, Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > I'd take the approach with Servlets/JSP that handle user inputs. You
> > could
> > > in deed use tags for the inputs and process them with suitable
> > controllers
> > > in the logic tier. May be there are simpler ways to proceed with
> > > questionaires.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:42 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Design
> > >
> > >
> > > >I am using a Tag that render the whole questions, can i create another
> > tag
> > > > that deals with user request?
> > > >
> > > > On 6/19/07, Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> No!
> > > >>
> > > >> This sounds like a simple webapp to me. Just use some Servlet
> > Container
> > > >> (Tomcat) and have all of the presentation (JSP), business and
> > persistence
> > > >> things handled in ONE engine.
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
> > > >> To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:26 AM
> > > >> Subject: Design
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hi All
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I am developing an online exam site as a graduation project. I have
> > > >> > some
> > > >> > questions regardsing the design:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 1. In such a program which is a web site that introduce some
> > multiple
> > > >> > choice
> > > >> > questions, and shows the result of user answers, DO I HAVE TO USE
> > EJB??
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
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Re: Design

[Mohammed Zabin <jo...@gmail.com>]

What learning curve?

On 6/19/07, ben short <be...@benshort.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Id suggest having a look at the spring web mvc stuff it can help you
> simplify form submissions by mapping request params to objects so you
> don't have to do, although there will be a slight learning curve.
>
> Just my 2 pence :)
>
> On 6/19/07, Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > I'd take the approach with Servlets/JSP that handle user inputs. You
> could
> > in deed use tags for the inputs and process them with suitable
> controllers
> > in the logic tier. May be there are simpler ways to proceed with
> > questionaires.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
> > To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: Design
> >
> >
> > >I am using a Tag that render the whole questions, can i create another
> tag
> > > that deals with user request?
> > >
> > > On 6/19/07, Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> No!
> > >>
> > >> This sounds like a simple webapp to me. Just use some Servlet
> Container
> > >> (Tomcat) and have all of the presentation (JSP), business and
> persistence
> > >> things handled in ONE engine.
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
> > >> To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:26 AM
> > >> Subject: Design
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Hi All
> > >> >
> > >> > I am developing an online exam site as a graduation project. I have
> > >> > some
> > >> > questions regardsing the design:
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. In such a program which is a web site that introduce some
> multiple
> > >> > choice
> > >> > questions, and shows the result of user answers, DO I HAVE TO USE
> EJB??
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
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> >
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Re: Design

[ben short <be...@benshort.co.uk>]

Id suggest having a look at the spring web mvc stuff it can help you
simplify form submissions by mapping request params to objects so you
don't have to do, although there will be a slight learning curve.

Just my 2 pence :)

On 6/19/07, Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net> wrote:
> I'd take the approach with Servlets/JSP that handle user inputs. You could
> in deed use tags for the inputs and process them with suitable controllers
> in the logic tier. May be there are simpler ways to proceed with
> questionaires.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
> To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Design
>
>
> >I am using a Tag that render the whole questions, can i create another tag
> > that deals with user request?
> >
> > On 6/19/07, Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> No!
> >>
> >> This sounds like a simple webapp to me. Just use some Servlet Container
> >> (Tomcat) and have all of the presentation (JSP), business and persistence
> >> things handled in ONE engine.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
> >> To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:26 AM
> >> Subject: Design
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi All
> >> >
> >> > I am developing an online exam site as a graduation project. I have
> >> > some
> >> > questions regardsing the design:
> >> >
> >> > 1. In such a program which is a web site that introduce some multiple
> >> > choice
> >> > questions, and shows the result of user answers, DO I HAVE TO USE EJB??
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
>
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Re: Design

[Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net>]

I'd take the approach with Servlets/JSP that handle user inputs. You could 
in deed use tags for the inputs and process them with suitable controllers 
in the logic tier. May be there are simpler ways to proceed with 
questionaires.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Design


>I am using a Tag that render the whole questions, can i create another tag
> that deals with user request?
>
> On 6/19/07, Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>> No!
>>
>> This sounds like a simple webapp to me. Just use some Servlet Container
>> (Tomcat) and have all of the presentation (JSP), business and persistence
>> things handled in ONE engine.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Design
>>
>>
>> > Hi All
>> >
>> > I am developing an online exam site as a graduation project. I have 
>> > some
>> > questions regardsing the design:
>> >
>> > 1. In such a program which is a web site that introduce some multiple
>> > choice
>> > questions, and shows the result of user answers, DO I HAVE TO USE EJB??
>> >
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: Design

[Mohammed Zabin <jo...@gmail.com>]

I am using a Tag that render the whole questions, can i create another tag
that deals with user request?

On 6/19/07, Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> No!
>
> This sounds like a simple webapp to me. Just use some Servlet Container
> (Tomcat) and have all of the presentation (JSP), business and persistence
> things handled in ONE engine.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
> To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:26 AM
> Subject: Design
>
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > I am developing an online exam site as a graduation project. I have some
> > questions regardsing the design:
> >
> > 1. In such a program which is a web site that introduce some multiple
> > choice
> > questions, and shows the result of user answers, DO I HAVE TO USE EJB??
> >
>
>
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>

Re: Design

[Kevin Wilhelm <ke...@gmx.net>]

No!

This sounds like a simple webapp to me. Just use some Servlet Container 
(Tomcat) and have all of the presentation (JSP), business and persistence 
things handled in ONE engine.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mohammed Zabin" <jo...@gmail.com>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Design


> Hi All
>
> I am developing an online exam site as a graduation project. I have some
> questions regardsing the design:
>
> 1. In such a program which is a web site that introduce some multiple 
> choice
> questions, and shows the result of user answers, DO I HAVE TO USE EJB??
> 


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