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Posted to legal-discuss@apache.org by Hen <ba...@apache.org> on 2019/12/01 17:04:59 UTC
Oracle-JDK Advisory
Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-484 - I'm wondering if
we should provide an advisory to our committers that they should be
cautious using the Oracle JDK for their personal development of Apache
software. Anyone have strong thoughts on the topic?
Hen
Re: Oracle-JDK Advisory
Posted by Fantri Fitriani <fa...@gmail.com>.
Pada tanggal Sen, 2 Des 2019 01.05, Hen <ba...@apache.org> menulis:
> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-484 - I'm wondering
> if we should provide an advisory to our committers that they should be
> cautious using the Oracle JDK for their personal development of Apache
> software. Anyone have strong thoughts on the topic?
>
> Hen
>
Re: Oracle-JDK Advisory
Posted by Fantri Fitriani <fa...@gmail.com>.
Pada tanggal Sen, 2 Des 2019 06.25, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>
menulis:
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:25 PM Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I don’t understand that statement (how “community development” has
>> anything to do with it).
>>
>
> My read is that the Oracle proprietary license terms for Java SE model
> developers as either working for their employer ("internal") or playing
> games and hacking Raspberry Pis ("personal"). The author of the license
> either has no concept of a developer who is working in the open and
> contributing to a code community ("community development") or intends to
> disrupt such activity. Either way I agree with Hen that Apache committers
> (and indeed all other open source developers) would be well advised to
> avoid any activity under the terms of this license.
>
> S.
>
>
Re: Oracle-JDK Advisory
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:25 PM Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
> I don’t understand that statement (how “community development” has
> anything to do with it).
>
My read is that the Oracle proprietary license terms for Java SE model
developers as either working for their employer ("internal") or playing
games and hacking Raspberry Pis ("personal"). The author of the license
either has no concept of a developer who is working in the open and
contributing to a code community ("community development") or intends to
disrupt such activity. Either way I agree with Hen that Apache committers
(and indeed all other open source developers) would be well advised to
avoid any activity under the terms of this license.
S.
Re: Oracle-JDK Advisory
Posted by Fantri Fitriani <fa...@gmail.com>.
Pada tanggal Sen, 2 Des 2019 04.25, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com>
menulis:
> I don’t understand that statement (how “community development” has
> anything to do with it).
>
> My read of the license is that for non-personal uses (as they defined it)
> or uses running software they don’t approve, they are going to charge for
> it.
>
> It’s a crappy commercial license.
>
> I’ve switched everything I do personally/professionally/commercially to
> openJDK much to my chagrin, but it’s just too \ dangerous to fool with
> Oracle JDK, IMO.
>
> geir
>
>
> > On Dec 1, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Simon Phipps <we...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I very much agree with your evaluation. The terms have been framed in a
> worldview that is at odds with community development.
> >
> > On Sun, 1 Dec 2019, 17:05 Hen, <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-484 - I'm
> wondering if we should provide an advisory to our committers that they
> should be cautious using the Oracle JDK for their personal development of
> Apache software. Anyone have strong thoughts on the topic?
> >
> > Hen
>
>
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Re: Oracle-JDK Advisory
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
I don’t understand that statement (how “community development” has anything to do with it).
My read of the license is that for non-personal uses (as they defined it) or uses running software they don’t approve, they are going to charge for it.
It’s a crappy commercial license.
I’ve switched everything I do personally/professionally/commercially to openJDK much to my chagrin, but it’s just too \ dangerous to fool with Oracle JDK, IMO.
geir
> On Dec 1, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Simon Phipps <we...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I very much agree with your evaluation. The terms have been framed in a worldview that is at odds with community development.
>
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019, 17:05 Hen, <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-484 - I'm wondering if we should provide an advisory to our committers that they should be cautious using the Oracle JDK for their personal development of Apache software. Anyone have strong thoughts on the topic?
>
> Hen
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Re: Oracle-JDK Advisory
Posted by Fantri Fitriani <fa...@gmail.com>.
Pada tanggal Sen, 2 Des 2019 01.58, Simon Phipps <we...@apache.org>
menulis:
> I very much agree with your evaluation. The terms have been framed in a
> worldview that is at odds with community development.
>
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019, 17:05 Hen, <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-484 - I'm wondering
>> if we should provide an advisory to our committers that they should be
>> cautious using the Oracle JDK for their personal development of Apache
>> software. Anyone have strong thoughts on the topic?
>>
>> Hen
>>
>
Re: Oracle-JDK Advisory
Posted by Simon Phipps <we...@apache.org>.
I very much agree with your evaluation. The terms have been framed in a
worldview that is at odds with community development.
On Sun, 1 Dec 2019, 17:05 Hen, <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-484 - I'm wondering
> if we should provide an advisory to our committers that they should be
> cautious using the Oracle JDK for their personal development of Apache
> software. Anyone have strong thoughts on the topic?
>
> Hen
>