You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to dev@directory.apache.org by Phil Steitz <ph...@steitz.com> on 2003/12/01 04:41:28 UTC
Re: Logo
>
> Because the data model for a Directory Server *is* a tree, so refering to
> the Tree of Knowledge is nice imagery, particularly when we use JNDI
> capabilities of the Directory Server to federate multiple data domains. I
> wasn't making any particular religious reference.
But the "tree of knowledge" *is* a religious reference ;-)
I understand and agree with the point that at least in terms of
addressing, ldap is tree-oriented, so some sort of tree symbol makes
sense. I just don't particularly like the religious undertones or the
"predetermined, written-in-stone" connotation of the tree of knowledge,
though. Dynamic config! Dynamic identities! Dynamic schema! These things
are hard, but I am sure that Eve will find a way. Maybe I am more
thinking in terms of the tree after Eve started to have at it :-)
Slightly more seriously, I also see ldap directories as much more general
than just "config or identity knowledge stores." It might also be nice to
capture some of Eve's embeddability in the logo -- i.e., part of what Eve
is enabling is lots of distributed trees instead of one great big central
"definitive source."
Phil
>
> Two other good tree references:
>
> http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/telperion.html
> http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/l/laurelin.html
>
> But I would avoid using Tolkien names, since I suspect that the Estate wants
> to maintain control over their use.
>
> --- Noel
>
RE: Logo
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ao...@bellsouth.net>.
> Slightly more seriously, I also see ldap directories as much more general
> than just "config or identity knowledge stores." It might also be nice to
> capture some of Eve's embeddability in the logo -- i.e., part of what Eve
> is enabling is lots of distributed trees instead of one great big central
> "definitive source."
I would agree with you whole heartedly its like a forrest
of trees in fact. Actually that triangle fractal does make a good
point about a bunch of trees making a bigger tree and so on
recursively.
Now with regard to Aspen it sounds like a good runner up
but I'm still going to stick to Eve. That's the name
we have been using for over 7 months now for this new
architecture. However I don't mind using the aspen tree
system as a logo instead of a name.
I'm still a +1 on Eve with Aspen (even though I like it) on
the menu.
Alex
RE: Logo
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> > Huh? From where did you get the idea that the Tree of Knowledge implies
any
> > sort of pre-determined, written-in-stone, anything?
> The Christian scholastic tradition started by Thomas Acquinas and
> continuing through the Rationalists, e.g. DesCartes:
> Sorry to be culturally myopic...
Replied off-list.
>>>part of what Eve is enabling is lots of distributed trees
>>>instead of one great big central "definitive source."
>
> > Yes ... and one of the interesting ideas that just popped into mind is
the
> > Aspen tree. Aspen would be an interesting name, too. Why? An entire
> > Aspen grove is actually one tree.
> Yeah. This is good. That's like the Sierpinski triangle, though using
> trees, which is better.
Apache Aspen ... Aggregated Scalable Pipelined Extensible Networks ;-)
--- Noel
Re: Logo
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@steitz.com>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>But the "tree of knowledge" *is* a religious reference ;-)
>
>
> It exists in many cultural myths.
OK...
>
>
>>I just don't particularly like the religious undertones or the
>>"predetermined, written-in-stone" connotation of the tree of
>>knowledge, though.
>
>
> Huh? From where did you get the idea that the Tree of Knowledge implies any
> sort of pre-determined, written-in-stone, anything?
The Christian scholastic tradition started by Thomas Acquinas and
continuing through the Rationalists, e.g. DesCartes:
http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/DA026SECT2
The Thomist use of this metaphor was heavy on absolutism (going back to
Plato and Aristotle). That is what I was referring to.
Sorry to be culturally myopic...
>
>
>>Dynamic config! Dynamic identities! Dynamic schema!
>
>
> Trees grow. Their structure changes dynamically. They can be pruned and
> manipulated.
>
>
>>part of what Eve is enabling is lots of distributed trees
>>instead of one great big central "definitive source."
>
>
> Yes ... and one of the interesting ideas that just popped into mind is the
> Aspen tree. Aspen would be an interesting name, too. Why? An entire
> Aspen grove is actually one tree.
Yeah. This is good. That's like the Sierpinski triangle, though using
trees, which is better.
>
> ref: http://members.tripod.com/~bbowles/aspentrees.html
Beautiful shot...
>
> --- Noel
>
RE: Logo
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> But the "tree of knowledge" *is* a religious reference ;-)
It exists in many cultural myths.
> I just don't particularly like the religious undertones or the
> "predetermined, written-in-stone" connotation of the tree of
> knowledge, though.
Huh? From where did you get the idea that the Tree of Knowledge implies any
sort of pre-determined, written-in-stone, anything?
> Dynamic config! Dynamic identities! Dynamic schema!
Trees grow. Their structure changes dynamically. They can be pruned and
manipulated.
> part of what Eve is enabling is lots of distributed trees
> instead of one great big central "definitive source."
Yes ... and one of the interesting ideas that just popped into mind is the
Aspen tree. Aspen would be an interesting name, too. Why? An entire
Aspen grove is actually one tree.
ref: http://members.tripod.com/~bbowles/aspentrees.html
--- Noel