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Flex Status
I have reviewed the flex report and community and didn't find any major issues. The small things I found are:
1) The report appears to be written by a single person
2) This person appears to be disheartened a bit ("We expect the initial RC's to be rejected as we finalize licensing and other policy issues"). I don't think the negativity belongs in the report. This isn't a big problem unless it is representative of the general community's state of mind, which I saw no evidence of in my short scan of the mail list.
3) No mentors have signed off on the report
4) The mail list has been decreasing steadily since the beginning, but still well within normal levels IMO
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RE: Flex Status
Posted by "Franklin, Matthew B." <mf...@mitre.org>.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Reddin [mailto:gredbug@gmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:29 PM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Flex Status
>
>On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>> Some day I'll write about the differences between AOO and Flex as large
>incubating projects, the contrasts are amazing.
>
>That would be very interesting.
+1
>
>Greg
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Re: Flex Status
Posted by Greg Reddin <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Some day I'll write about the differences between AOO and Flex as large incubating projects, the contrasts are amazing.
That would be very interesting.
Greg
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Re: Flex Status
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On May 10, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:44 AM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Flex Status
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2012, at 2:57 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> I think we'll be able to persuade the PPMC that they don't really want to
>> manage
>>>> their own JIRA instance once that is done. So, they have a little infra delay.
>>>
>>> There's a bit of history behind this. Flex was getting a bit
>>> frustrated at the slow migration progress, so last month I suggested
>>> [1] an external server as an interim solution. I totally agree that
>>> it's not an ideal or in any way final solution, but without some
>>> progress on this Flex will soon hit six months without effective
>>> development infrastructure. That's horrible.
>>>
>>> If not an external server, can we provision a new ASF server for this,
>>> perhaps just a virtual one to start with?
>>
>> Infrastructure is working on a JIRA upgrade and Flex can participate. Help is
>> needed with the ASF license checkbox code. I'm hoping to have cycles to help
>> with that next week. I have to standup JIRA at work ....
>>
>> About the fall off on the dev list. Two factors.
>>
>> - The group has a lot of energy and there was a huge amount of discussion at
>> the start.
>> - This was followed by a Logo contest with over 50 entries and two rounds of
>> voting on the flex-dev list. This was significant volume.
>
> Sounds like the contest was a great success. As I noted, the traffic is still high for a podling, there just happened to be a relative drop from the beginning. I don't think anyone should be worried about activity in a podling with ~250 e-mails in the first 10 days of the month
Not worried. It's just that the relative drop off is not due to waiting for JIRA. Adobe just added another donation and now work on an RC is proceeding. May will certainly exceed April in ML volume. Some day I'll write about the differences between AOO and Flex as large incubating projects, the contrasts are amazing.
Regards,
Dave
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> I'll certainly try to suggest another report author when report time truly
>> arrives.
>>>
>>> Having more people with experience in writing board reports is
>>> definitely useful, but I don't see particular problems with this
>>> report. It's informative and highlights problems that the podling is
>>> facing. What's more to ask?
>>>
>>>> I agree with Greg that we should remove this report.
>>>
>>> There's no harm in extra out-of-cycle reports, so let's keep it.
>>
>> I see, no problem, other than no signatures.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://markmail.org/message/q3aagw5jhqz5m6b5
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jukka Zitting
>>>
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RE: Flex Status
Posted by "Franklin, Matthew B." <mf...@mitre.org>.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:44 AM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Flex Status
>
>
>On May 10, 2012, at 2:57 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>>> I think we'll be able to persuade the PPMC that they don't really want to
>manage
>>> their own JIRA instance once that is done. So, they have a little infra delay.
>>
>> There's a bit of history behind this. Flex was getting a bit
>> frustrated at the slow migration progress, so last month I suggested
>> [1] an external server as an interim solution. I totally agree that
>> it's not an ideal or in any way final solution, but without some
>> progress on this Flex will soon hit six months without effective
>> development infrastructure. That's horrible.
>>
>> If not an external server, can we provision a new ASF server for this,
>> perhaps just a virtual one to start with?
>
>Infrastructure is working on a JIRA upgrade and Flex can participate. Help is
>needed with the ASF license checkbox code. I'm hoping to have cycles to help
>with that next week. I have to standup JIRA at work ....
>
>About the fall off on the dev list. Two factors.
>
>- The group has a lot of energy and there was a huge amount of discussion at
>the start.
>- This was followed by a Logo contest with over 50 entries and two rounds of
>voting on the flex-dev list. This was significant volume.
Sounds like the contest was a great success. As I noted, the traffic is still high for a podling, there just happened to be a relative drop from the beginning. I don't think anyone should be worried about activity in a podling with ~250 e-mails in the first 10 days of the month
>
>
>>
>>> I'll certainly try to suggest another report author when report time truly
>arrives.
>>
>> Having more people with experience in writing board reports is
>> definitely useful, but I don't see particular problems with this
>> report. It's informative and highlights problems that the podling is
>> facing. What's more to ask?
>>
>>> I agree with Greg that we should remove this report.
>>
>> There's no harm in extra out-of-cycle reports, so let's keep it.
>
>I see, no problem, other than no signatures.
>
>Regards,
>Dave
>
>>
>> [1] http://markmail.org/message/q3aagw5jhqz5m6b5
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jukka Zitting
>>
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Re: Flex Status
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On May 10, 2012, at 2:57 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I think we'll be able to persuade the PPMC that they don't really want to manage
>> their own JIRA instance once that is done. So, they have a little infra delay.
>
> There's a bit of history behind this. Flex was getting a bit
> frustrated at the slow migration progress, so last month I suggested
> [1] an external server as an interim solution. I totally agree that
> it's not an ideal or in any way final solution, but without some
> progress on this Flex will soon hit six months without effective
> development infrastructure. That's horrible.
>
> If not an external server, can we provision a new ASF server for this,
> perhaps just a virtual one to start with?
Infrastructure is working on a JIRA upgrade and Flex can participate. Help is needed with the ASF license checkbox code. I'm hoping to have cycles to help with that next week. I have to standup JIRA at work ....
About the fall off on the dev list. Two factors.
- The group has a lot of energy and there was a huge amount of discussion at the start.
- This was followed by a Logo contest with over 50 entries and two rounds of voting on the flex-dev list. This was significant volume.
>
>> I'll certainly try to suggest another report author when report time truly arrives.
>
> Having more people with experience in writing board reports is
> definitely useful, but I don't see particular problems with this
> report. It's informative and highlights problems that the podling is
> facing. What's more to ask?
>
>> I agree with Greg that we should remove this report.
>
> There's no harm in extra out-of-cycle reports, so let's keep it.
I see, no problem, other than no signatures.
Regards,
Dave
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/q3aagw5jhqz5m6b5
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: Flex Status
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I think we'll be able to persuade the PPMC that they don't really want to manage
> their own JIRA instance once that is done. So, they have a little infra delay.
There's a bit of history behind this. Flex was getting a bit
frustrated at the slow migration progress, so last month I suggested
[1] an external server as an interim solution. I totally agree that
it's not an ideal or in any way final solution, but without some
progress on this Flex will soon hit six months without effective
development infrastructure. That's horrible.
If not an external server, can we provision a new ASF server for this,
perhaps just a virtual one to start with?
> I'll certainly try to suggest another report author when report time truly arrives.
Having more people with experience in writing board reports is
definitely useful, but I don't see particular problems with this
report. It's informative and highlights problems that the podling is
facing. What's more to ask?
> I agree with Greg that we should remove this report.
There's no harm in extra out-of-cycle reports, so let's keep it.
[1] http://markmail.org/message/q3aagw5jhqz5m6b5
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: Flex Status
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On May 9, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Greg Reddin wrote:
> Actually we discovered after this draft report had been written that we are not supposed to report this month. It should probably be removed from the incubator report.
>
> I would not classify the attitude about the RC as negativity. The project is complex with a long history and I imagine it will take a few tries to get an acceptable release candidate.
They are concerned about getting all of their JIRA imported and have stumbled on some issues. At the same time Adobe legal is reviewing each part and releasing in pieces. Since this report was written the test suite has come in.
I think we'll be able to persuade the PPMC that they don't really want to manage their own JIRA instance once that is done. So, they have a little infra delay.
Interestingly, today someone on the OpenOffice dev ML was pointing to Flex's logo contest as a good idea for AOO.
I'll certainly try to suggest another report author when report time truly arrives. I agree with Greg that we should remove this report.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Greg
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
>
> On May 9, 2012, at 8:34 PM, "Franklin, Matthew B." <mf...@mitre.org> wrote:
>
>> I have reviewed the flex report and community and didn't find any major issues. The small things I found are:
>>
>> 1) The report appears to be written by a single person
>>
>> 2) This person appears to be disheartened a bit ("We expect the initial RC's to be rejected as we finalize licensing and other policy issues"). I don't think the negativity belongs in the report. This isn't a big problem unless it is representative of the general community's state of mind, which I saw no evidence of in my short scan of the mail list.
>>
>> 3) No mentors have signed off on the report
>>
>> 4) The mail list has been decreasing steadily since the beginning, but still well within normal levels IMO
>>
>>
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Re: Flex Status
Posted by Greg Reddin <gr...@gmail.com>.
Actually we discovered after this draft report had been written that we are not supposed to report this month. It should probably be removed from the incubator report.
I would not classify the attitude about the RC as negativity. The project is complex with a long history and I imagine it will take a few tries to get an acceptable release candidate.
Greg
Sent from my mobile device.
On May 9, 2012, at 8:34 PM, "Franklin, Matthew B." <mf...@mitre.org> wrote:
> I have reviewed the flex report and community and didn't find any major issues. The small things I found are:
>
> 1) The report appears to be written by a single person
>
> 2) This person appears to be disheartened a bit ("We expect the initial RC's to be rejected as we finalize licensing and other policy issues"). I don't think the negativity belongs in the report. This isn't a big problem unless it is representative of the general community's state of mind, which I saw no evidence of in my short scan of the mail list.
>
> 3) No mentors have signed off on the report
>
> 4) The mail list has been decreasing steadily since the beginning, but still well within normal levels IMO
>
>
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