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New Committers Davide and Ryan

Dear Slide community!

We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.

Welcome to both of you.

Oliver

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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by Davide Savazzi <da...@corefandango.net>.
On Tuesday 10 August 2004 22:22, James Mason wrote:
> Welcome welcome :)
>
> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
> > Dear Slide community!
> >
> > We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
> >
> > Welcome to both of you.

Thanks! :)

-- 
Davide Savazzi

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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by Walter <wa...@builditglobal.com>.
Yes, read that when I signed up.  Thanks.

Oliver Zeigermann wrote:

> Have a look at this for clarification:
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Slide
>
> Oliver
>
> Walter wrote:
>
>> Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just for 
>> developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer section in 
>> after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from developers.  
>> Can someone tell me where the user section is so that I can get some 
>> cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a thread exist?
>>
>> James Mason wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome welcome :)
>>>
>>> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Slide community!
>>>>
>>>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to both of you.
>>>>
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by Oliver Zeigermann <ol...@zeigermann.de>.
Have a look at this for clarification:

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Slide

Oliver

Walter wrote:

> Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just for 
> developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer section in 
> after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from developers.  Can 
> someone tell me where the user section is so that I can get some 
> cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a thread exist?
> 
> James Mason wrote:
> 
>> Welcome welcome :)
>>
>> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Slide community!
>>>
>>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>
>>> Welcome to both of you.
>>>
>>> Oliver
>>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by James Mason <ma...@apache.org>.
Walter,
If you've already invested a lot of resources into your current 
direction it probably doesn't make sense to switch right now. I'm not 
familiar with Tapestry or Projector, so I can't really compare them for 
you. Maybe Daniel can give you a breakdown there.

What I can tell you is that the WebDAV API is easier to learn for a 
developer, but since you're already this far into the project that point 
is moot.

-James

Walter wrote:

> Hi James,
> 
> This comes from my developer.  Perhaps this might help make some 
> clarification.  It appears we have already gone too far down the road 
> developing the CMS GUI with Tapestry on top of Slide rather than use the 
> WebDAV with Slide.  It appears that I would either need to keep 
> developing our GUI with Tapestry or switch over to WebDAV and 
> Projector.  Here are his comments.
> 
> "So you mean to compare current approach (manually building CMS GUI with 
> using Tapestry on the top of Slide storage) and newly proposed approach: 
> use Projector GUI/CMS and Slide WebDAV.  Specifically, we are writing 
> web GUI to set user permissions on files and documents, as engine (aka 
> "Model") is ready.  Tapestry does not attempt to address workflow at 
> all. If we continue with current approach, we wouldl _build_ workflow, 
> using Tapestry as a tool to build web GUI. And Projector offers "ready 
> made" workflow support, and the question is "how easy can we use 
> Projector's workflow in BIG". It looks like Projector "framework" means 
> something different than Tapestry "framework"
> 
> The Slide Projector is a process based web framework that was designed 
> to build complex applications on top of Slide or any other 
> WebDAV-compliant repository. Projector is part of Slide since the 2.1 
> beta release. It features:
> 
>      * WebDAV based rendering framework
>      * Separation of concerns
>      * Contract based programming paradigm
>      * Synchronous, asynchronous and nested workflows
>      * Event driven workflows
>      * Content type aware templating
>      * HTML form generation and validation
>      * Table and tree rendering
>      * Application handling including deployment at runtime and 
> application dependencies
>      * Works with Slide and Microsoft Exchange"
> 
> Walt.
> 
> James Mason wrote:
> 
>> Walter,
>> Unfortunately I really can't comment on Projector. You'll need Daniel 
>> to give you information about how that will meet your needs.
>>
>> Looking at your other requirements I think Slide 2.1 will be a good 
>> fit for you, though. For search, Slide will index most of the file 
>> types you mentioned, and I believe Lucene has a contribution that will 
>> index at least one more. Slide can provide your audit trail, 
>> notifications of changes and the lock/unlock cycle. There should be no 
>> barriers for your collaboration requirements, but most of those 
>> features will need to be built on top of Slide.
>>
>> Since you mention contributing this effort to the community, I think 
>> it would be great to build a package of applications that run in the 
>> Projector framework. The collaboration features in particular interest 
>> me, but to be honest I'd be happy with pretty much anything :).
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>> -James
>>
>> Walter wrote:
>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> I would ask you the same question as Daniel.  You have seen our 
>>> requirements below for our Phase II work and if you think that we 
>>> should focus our development efforts with Projector on a specific set 
>>> of requirements, I would like to instruct our developers to work in 
>>> that area so it can be contributed to the Projector framework efforts.
>>>
>>> I'm leaving for meetings out of town today and will be back later 
>>> this afternoon/evening.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Walt.
>>>
>>> James Mason wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can understand the confusion :). Please feel free to contribute in 
>>>> the customer-user mode if that's what you're comfortable with. I 
>>>> think it's important to get feedback and contributions from as wide 
>>>> a range of people as possible. If you can suffer through the code 
>>>> discussions there are occasionally posts from people only interested 
>>>> in the out-of-the-box functionality that Slide provides. We usually 
>>>> get one or two of those day (heavy traffic, huh?).
>>>>
>>>> We really don't want to exclude anybody, and this is the appropriate 
>>>> forum for the kind of information exchange you're after. 
>>>> Unfortunately, this is also the only place we have developer-users 
>>>> so it can get a bit crowded with code sometimes.
>>>>
>>>> -James
>>>>
>>>> Walter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi James, thanks for the comments.  In hindsight I was thinking 
>>>>> user was sort of like customer-user, rather than developer-user.  
>>>>> Now I can see the difference after the past 10 days or so watching 
>>>>> the threads.  I'm not a developer of code, but more a customer who 
>>>>> would drive functionality.  However, I recently learned that a lot 
>>>>> of the customers-users are large corporations who use the code for 
>>>>> their own operations and software development, so they pay their 
>>>>> employees (who are developers) to participate in the open source 
>>>>> development.  This way they get more than one mind working on code 
>>>>> for their own projects.  I understand recently these are sort of 
>>>>> corporate sponsors for an open source project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus, I can see where the forum is really set up for software 
>>>>> developer-users that can ask good questions on technical 
>>>>> code/integration/implementation issues where I would be a customer 
>>>>> looking at open source solutions.  Slide and Tapestry both were 
>>>>> implemented in our first Phase of development so I subscribed to 
>>>>> both user lists to learn what the customer-users were saying, and 
>>>>> can see that these threads are really not set up for customers, per 
>>>>> se, but mainly for developer-users.  I hope this makes sense...I'm 
>>>>> still a little fuzzy myself! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for the reply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Walt.
>>>>>
>>>>> James Mason wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Walter,
>>>>>> What exactly are you looking for in "users" list? The majority of 
>>>>>> the users interested in Slide seem to also be java developers, so 
>>>>>> a lot of the questions on this list are related to using the Slide 
>>>>>> webdav client libraries. A lot of bug reports come through the 
>>>>>> list as well. Some people seem to find it easier to send an email 
>>>>>> than file a bug report on bugzilla. Go figure :).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I believe the majority of Slide's developers are also users. 
>>>>>> I know I am. I wouldn't be able to devote much time at all to the 
>>>>>> project if I wasn't actively using the code. Also, while I haven't 
>>>>>> been a member of the project for very long, I've been very 
>>>>>> impressed by the openness and willingness of the developers to get 
>>>>>> involved with helping users with problems. Personally, I think 
>>>>>> that's a strength of the project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is it about the user's list that you weren't expecting? Maybe 
>>>>>> we can help you find what you're looking for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Walter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just 
>>>>>>> for developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer 
>>>>>>> section in after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from 
>>>>>>> developers.  Can someone tell me where the user section is so 
>>>>>>> that I can get some cooperative commentary for users only?  Does 
>>>>>>> such a thread exist?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Mason wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome welcome :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Slide community!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Welcome to both of you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by Walter <wa...@builditglobal.com>.
Hi James,

This comes from my developer.  Perhaps this might help make some 
clarification.  It appears we have already gone too far down the road 
developing the CMS GUI with Tapestry on top of Slide rather than use the 
WebDAV with Slide.  It appears that I would either need to keep 
developing our GUI with Tapestry or switch over to WebDAV and 
Projector.  Here are his comments.

"So you mean to compare current approach (manually building CMS GUI with 
using Tapestry on the top of Slide storage) and newly proposed approach: 
use Projector GUI/CMS and Slide WebDAV.  Specifically, we are writing 
web GUI to set user permissions on files and documents, as engine (aka 
"Model") is ready.  Tapestry does not attempt to address workflow at 
all. If we continue with current approach, we wouldl _build_ workflow, 
using Tapestry as a tool to build web GUI. And Projector offers "ready 
made" workflow support, and the question is "how easy can we use 
Projector's workflow in BIG". It looks like Projector "framework" means 
something different than Tapestry "framework"

The Slide Projector is a process based web framework that was designed 
to build complex applications on top of Slide or any other 
WebDAV-compliant repository. Projector is part of Slide since the 2.1 
beta release. It features:

      * WebDAV based rendering framework
      * Separation of concerns
      * Contract based programming paradigm
      * Synchronous, asynchronous and nested workflows
      * Event driven workflows
      * Content type aware templating
      * HTML form generation and validation
      * Table and tree rendering
      * Application handling including deployment at runtime and 
application dependencies
      * Works with Slide and Microsoft Exchange"

Walt.

James Mason wrote:

> Walter,
> Unfortunately I really can't comment on Projector. You'll need Daniel 
> to give you information about how that will meet your needs.
>
> Looking at your other requirements I think Slide 2.1 will be a good 
> fit for you, though. For search, Slide will index most of the file 
> types you mentioned, and I believe Lucene has a contribution that will 
> index at least one more. Slide can provide your audit trail, 
> notifications of changes and the lock/unlock cycle. There should be no 
> barriers for your collaboration requirements, but most of those 
> features will need to be built on top of Slide.
>
> Since you mention contributing this effort to the community, I think 
> it would be great to build a package of applications that run in the 
> Projector framework. The collaboration features in particular interest 
> me, but to be honest I'd be happy with pretty much anything :).
>
> Hope this helps.
> -James
>
> Walter wrote:
>
>> James,
>>
>> I would ask you the same question as Daniel.  You have seen our 
>> requirements below for our Phase II work and if you think that we 
>> should focus our development efforts with Projector on a specific set 
>> of requirements, I would like to instruct our developers to work in 
>> that area so it can be contributed to the Projector framework efforts.
>>
>> I'm leaving for meetings out of town today and will be back later 
>> this afternoon/evening.
>>
>> Best,
>> Walt.
>>
>> James Mason wrote:
>>
>>> I can understand the confusion :). Please feel free to contribute in 
>>> the customer-user mode if that's what you're comfortable with. I 
>>> think it's important to get feedback and contributions from as wide 
>>> a range of people as possible. If you can suffer through the code 
>>> discussions there are occasionally posts from people only interested 
>>> in the out-of-the-box functionality that Slide provides. We usually 
>>> get one or two of those day (heavy traffic, huh?).
>>>
>>> We really don't want to exclude anybody, and this is the appropriate 
>>> forum for the kind of information exchange you're after. 
>>> Unfortunately, this is also the only place we have developer-users 
>>> so it can get a bit crowded with code sometimes.
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>> Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi James, thanks for the comments.  In hindsight I was thinking 
>>>> user was sort of like customer-user, rather than developer-user.  
>>>> Now I can see the difference after the past 10 days or so watching 
>>>> the threads.  I'm not a developer of code, but more a customer who 
>>>> would drive functionality.  However, I recently learned that a lot 
>>>> of the customers-users are large corporations who use the code for 
>>>> their own operations and software development, so they pay their 
>>>> employees (who are developers) to participate in the open source 
>>>> development.  This way they get more than one mind working on code 
>>>> for their own projects.  I understand recently these are sort of 
>>>> corporate sponsors for an open source project.
>>>>
>>>> Thus, I can see where the forum is really set up for software 
>>>> developer-users that can ask good questions on technical 
>>>> code/integration/implementation issues where I would be a customer 
>>>> looking at open source solutions.  Slide and Tapestry both were 
>>>> implemented in our first Phase of development so I subscribed to 
>>>> both user lists to learn what the customer-users were saying, and 
>>>> can see that these threads are really not set up for customers, per 
>>>> se, but mainly for developer-users.  I hope this makes sense...I'm 
>>>> still a little fuzzy myself! :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the reply.
>>>>
>>>> Walt.
>>>>
>>>> James Mason wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Walter,
>>>>> What exactly are you looking for in "users" list? The majority of 
>>>>> the users interested in Slide seem to also be java developers, so 
>>>>> a lot of the questions on this list are related to using the Slide 
>>>>> webdav client libraries. A lot of bug reports come through the 
>>>>> list as well. Some people seem to find it easier to send an email 
>>>>> than file a bug report on bugzilla. Go figure :).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I believe the majority of Slide's developers are also users. 
>>>>> I know I am. I wouldn't be able to devote much time at all to the 
>>>>> project if I wasn't actively using the code. Also, while I haven't 
>>>>> been a member of the project for very long, I've been very 
>>>>> impressed by the openness and willingness of the developers to get 
>>>>> involved with helping users with problems. Personally, I think 
>>>>> that's a strength of the project.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is it about the user's list that you weren't expecting? Maybe 
>>>>> we can help you find what you're looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>> -James
>>>>>
>>>>> Walter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just 
>>>>>> for developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer 
>>>>>> section in after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from 
>>>>>> developers.  Can someone tell me where the user section is so 
>>>>>> that I can get some cooperative commentary for users only?  Does 
>>>>>> such a thread exist?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Mason wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Welcome welcome :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Slide community!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome to both of you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by James Mason <ma...@apache.org>.
Walter,
Unfortunately I really can't comment on Projector. You'll need Daniel to 
give you information about how that will meet your needs.

Looking at your other requirements I think Slide 2.1 will be a good fit 
for you, though. For search, Slide will index most of the file types you 
mentioned, and I believe Lucene has a contribution that will index at 
least one more. Slide can provide your audit trail, notifications of 
changes and the lock/unlock cycle. There should be no barriers for your 
collaboration requirements, but most of those features will need to be 
built on top of Slide.

Since you mention contributing this effort to the community, I think it 
would be great to build a package of applications that run in the 
Projector framework. The collaboration features in particular interest 
me, but to be honest I'd be happy with pretty much anything :).

Hope this helps.
-James

Walter wrote:
> James,
> 
> I would ask you the same question as Daniel.  You have seen our 
> requirements below for our Phase II work and if you think that we should 
> focus our development efforts with Projector on a specific set of 
> requirements, I would like to instruct our developers to work in that 
> area so it can be contributed to the Projector framework efforts.
> 
> I'm leaving for meetings out of town today and will be back later this 
> afternoon/evening.
> 
> Best,
> Walt.
> 
> James Mason wrote:
> 
>> I can understand the confusion :). Please feel free to contribute in 
>> the customer-user mode if that's what you're comfortable with. I think 
>> it's important to get feedback and contributions from as wide a range 
>> of people as possible. If you can suffer through the code discussions 
>> there are occasionally posts from people only interested in the 
>> out-of-the-box functionality that Slide provides. We usually get one 
>> or two of those day (heavy traffic, huh?).
>>
>> We really don't want to exclude anybody, and this is the appropriate 
>> forum for the kind of information exchange you're after. 
>> Unfortunately, this is also the only place we have developer-users so 
>> it can get a bit crowded with code sometimes.
>>
>> -James
>>
>> Walter wrote:
>>
>>> Hi James, thanks for the comments.  In hindsight I was thinking user 
>>> was sort of like customer-user, rather than developer-user.  Now I 
>>> can see the difference after the past 10 days or so watching the 
>>> threads.  I'm not a developer of code, but more a customer who would 
>>> drive functionality.  However, I recently learned that a lot of the 
>>> customers-users are large corporations who use the code for their own 
>>> operations and software development, so they pay their employees (who 
>>> are developers) to participate in the open source development.  This 
>>> way they get more than one mind working on code for their own 
>>> projects.  I understand recently these are sort of corporate sponsors 
>>> for an open source project.
>>>
>>> Thus, I can see where the forum is really set up for software 
>>> developer-users that can ask good questions on technical 
>>> code/integration/implementation issues where I would be a customer 
>>> looking at open source solutions.  Slide and Tapestry both were 
>>> implemented in our first Phase of development so I subscribed to both 
>>> user lists to learn what the customer-users were saying, and can see 
>>> that these threads are really not set up for customers, per se, but 
>>> mainly for developer-users.  I hope this makes sense...I'm still a 
>>> little fuzzy myself! :)
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the reply.
>>>
>>> Walt.
>>>
>>> James Mason wrote:
>>>
>>>> Walter,
>>>> What exactly are you looking for in "users" list? The majority of 
>>>> the users interested in Slide seem to also be java developers, so a 
>>>> lot of the questions on this list are related to using the Slide 
>>>> webdav client libraries. A lot of bug reports come through the list 
>>>> as well. Some people seem to find it easier to send an email than 
>>>> file a bug report on bugzilla. Go figure :).
>>>>
>>>> Also, I believe the majority of Slide's developers are also users. I 
>>>> know I am. I wouldn't be able to devote much time at all to the 
>>>> project if I wasn't actively using the code. Also, while I haven't 
>>>> been a member of the project for very long, I've been very impressed 
>>>> by the openness and willingness of the developers to get involved 
>>>> with helping users with problems. Personally, I think that's a 
>>>> strength of the project.
>>>>
>>>> What is it about the user's list that you weren't expecting? Maybe 
>>>> we can help you find what you're looking for.
>>>>
>>>> -James
>>>>
>>>> Walter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just 
>>>>> for developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer 
>>>>> section in after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from 
>>>>> developers.  Can someone tell me where the user section is so that 
>>>>> I can get some cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a 
>>>>> thread exist?
>>>>>
>>>>> James Mason wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome welcome :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Slide community!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Welcome to both of you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: slide-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: slide-user-help@jakarta.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by Walter <wa...@builditglobal.com>.
James,

I would ask you the same question as Daniel.  You have seen our 
requirements below for our Phase II work and if you think that we should 
focus our development efforts with Projector on a specific set of 
requirements, I would like to instruct our developers to work in that 
area so it can be contributed to the Projector framework efforts.

I'm leaving for meetings out of town today and will be back later this 
afternoon/evening.

Best,
Walt.

James Mason wrote:

> I can understand the confusion :). Please feel free to contribute in 
> the customer-user mode if that's what you're comfortable with. I think 
> it's important to get feedback and contributions from as wide a range 
> of people as possible. If you can suffer through the code discussions 
> there are occasionally posts from people only interested in the 
> out-of-the-box functionality that Slide provides. We usually get one 
> or two of those day (heavy traffic, huh?).
>
> We really don't want to exclude anybody, and this is the appropriate 
> forum for the kind of information exchange you're after. 
> Unfortunately, this is also the only place we have developer-users so 
> it can get a bit crowded with code sometimes.
>
> -James
>
> Walter wrote:
>
>> Hi James, thanks for the comments.  In hindsight I was thinking user 
>> was sort of like customer-user, rather than developer-user.  Now I 
>> can see the difference after the past 10 days or so watching the 
>> threads.  I'm not a developer of code, but more a customer who would 
>> drive functionality.  However, I recently learned that a lot of the 
>> customers-users are large corporations who use the code for their own 
>> operations and software development, so they pay their employees (who 
>> are developers) to participate in the open source development.  This 
>> way they get more than one mind working on code for their own 
>> projects.  I understand recently these are sort of corporate sponsors 
>> for an open source project.
>>
>> Thus, I can see where the forum is really set up for software 
>> developer-users that can ask good questions on technical 
>> code/integration/implementation issues where I would be a customer 
>> looking at open source solutions.  Slide and Tapestry both were 
>> implemented in our first Phase of development so I subscribed to both 
>> user lists to learn what the customer-users were saying, and can see 
>> that these threads are really not set up for customers, per se, but 
>> mainly for developer-users.  I hope this makes sense...I'm still a 
>> little fuzzy myself! :)
>>
>> Thanks again for the reply.
>>
>> Walt.
>>
>> James Mason wrote:
>>
>>> Walter,
>>> What exactly are you looking for in "users" list? The majority of 
>>> the users interested in Slide seem to also be java developers, so a 
>>> lot of the questions on this list are related to using the Slide 
>>> webdav client libraries. A lot of bug reports come through the list 
>>> as well. Some people seem to find it easier to send an email than 
>>> file a bug report on bugzilla. Go figure :).
>>>
>>> Also, I believe the majority of Slide's developers are also users. I 
>>> know I am. I wouldn't be able to devote much time at all to the 
>>> project if I wasn't actively using the code. Also, while I haven't 
>>> been a member of the project for very long, I've been very impressed 
>>> by the openness and willingness of the developers to get involved 
>>> with helping users with problems. Personally, I think that's a 
>>> strength of the project.
>>>
>>> What is it about the user's list that you weren't expecting? Maybe 
>>> we can help you find what you're looking for.
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>> Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just 
>>>> for developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer 
>>>> section in after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from 
>>>> developers.  Can someone tell me where the user section is so that 
>>>> I can get some cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a 
>>>> thread exist?
>>>>
>>>> James Mason wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Welcome welcome :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Slide community!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome to both of you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by James Mason <ma...@apache.org>.
I can understand the confusion :). Please feel free to contribute in the 
customer-user mode if that's what you're comfortable with. I think it's 
important to get feedback and contributions from as wide a range of 
people as possible. If you can suffer through the code discussions there 
are occasionally posts from people only interested in the out-of-the-box 
functionality that Slide provides. We usually get one or two of those 
day (heavy traffic, huh?).

We really don't want to exclude anybody, and this is the appropriate 
forum for the kind of information exchange you're after. Unfortunately, 
this is also the only place we have developer-users so it can get a bit 
crowded with code sometimes.

-James

Walter wrote:

> Hi James, thanks for the comments.  In hindsight I was thinking user was 
> sort of like customer-user, rather than developer-user.  Now I can see 
> the difference after the past 10 days or so watching the threads.  I'm 
> not a developer of code, but more a customer who would drive 
> functionality.  However, I recently learned that a lot of the 
> customers-users are large corporations who use the code for their own 
> operations and software development, so they pay their employees (who 
> are developers) to participate in the open source development.  This way 
> they get more than one mind working on code for their own projects.  I 
> understand recently these are sort of corporate sponsors for an open 
> source project.
> 
> Thus, I can see where the forum is really set up for software 
> developer-users that can ask good questions on technical 
> code/integration/implementation issues where I would be a customer 
> looking at open source solutions.  Slide and Tapestry both were 
> implemented in our first Phase of development so I subscribed to both 
> user lists to learn what the customer-users were saying, and can see 
> that these threads are really not set up for customers, per se, but 
> mainly for developer-users.  I hope this makes sense...I'm still a 
> little fuzzy myself! :)
> 
> Thanks again for the reply.
> 
> Walt.
> 
> James Mason wrote:
> 
>> Walter,
>> What exactly are you looking for in "users" list? The majority of the 
>> users interested in Slide seem to also be java developers, so a lot of 
>> the questions on this list are related to using the Slide webdav 
>> client libraries. A lot of bug reports come through the list as well. 
>> Some people seem to find it easier to send an email than file a bug 
>> report on bugzilla. Go figure :).
>>
>> Also, I believe the majority of Slide's developers are also users. I 
>> know I am. I wouldn't be able to devote much time at all to the 
>> project if I wasn't actively using the code. Also, while I haven't 
>> been a member of the project for very long, I've been very impressed 
>> by the openness and willingness of the developers to get involved with 
>> helping users with problems. Personally, I think that's a strength of 
>> the project.
>>
>> What is it about the user's list that you weren't expecting? Maybe we 
>> can help you find what you're looking for.
>>
>> -James
>>
>> Walter wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just for 
>>> developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer section in 
>>> after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from developers.  
>>> Can someone tell me where the user section is so that I can get some 
>>> cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a thread exist?
>>>
>>> James Mason wrote:
>>>
>>>> Welcome welcome :)
>>>>
>>>> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Slide community!
>>>>>
>>>>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to both of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: slide-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: slide-user-help@jakarta.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by Walter <wa...@builditglobal.com>.
Hi James, thanks for the comments.  In hindsight I was thinking user was 
sort of like customer-user, rather than developer-user.  Now I can see 
the difference after the past 10 days or so watching the threads.  I'm 
not a developer of code, but more a customer who would drive 
functionality.  However, I recently learned that a lot of the 
customers-users are large corporations who use the code for their own 
operations and software development, so they pay their employees (who 
are developers) to participate in the open source development.  This way 
they get more than one mind working on code for their own projects.  I 
understand recently these are sort of corporate sponsors for an open 
source project.

Thus, I can see where the forum is really set up for software 
developer-users that can ask good questions on technical 
code/integration/implementation issues where I would be a customer 
looking at open source solutions.  Slide and Tapestry both were 
implemented in our first Phase of development so I subscribed to both 
user lists to learn what the customer-users were saying, and can see 
that these threads are really not set up for customers, per se, but 
mainly for developer-users.  I hope this makes sense...I'm still a 
little fuzzy myself! :)

Thanks again for the reply.

Walt.

James Mason wrote:

> Walter,
> What exactly are you looking for in "users" list? The majority of the 
> users interested in Slide seem to also be java developers, so a lot of 
> the questions on this list are related to using the Slide webdav 
> client libraries. A lot of bug reports come through the list as well. 
> Some people seem to find it easier to send an email than file a bug 
> report on bugzilla. Go figure :).
>
> Also, I believe the majority of Slide's developers are also users. I 
> know I am. I wouldn't be able to devote much time at all to the 
> project if I wasn't actively using the code. Also, while I haven't 
> been a member of the project for very long, I've been very impressed 
> by the openness and willingness of the developers to get involved with 
> helping users with problems. Personally, I think that's a strength of 
> the project.
>
> What is it about the user's list that you weren't expecting? Maybe we 
> can help you find what you're looking for.
>
> -James
>
> Walter wrote:
>
>> Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just for 
>> developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer section in 
>> after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from developers.  
>> Can someone tell me where the user section is so that I can get some 
>> cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a thread exist?
>>
>> James Mason wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome welcome :)
>>>
>>> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Slide community!
>>>>
>>>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to both of you.
>>>>
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: slide-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: slide-user-help@jakarta.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by James Mason <ma...@apache.org>.
Walter,
What exactly are you looking for in "users" list? The majority of the 
users interested in Slide seem to also be java developers, so a lot of 
the questions on this list are related to using the Slide webdav client 
libraries. A lot of bug reports come through the list as well. Some 
people seem to find it easier to send an email than file a bug report on 
bugzilla. Go figure :).

Also, I believe the majority of Slide's developers are also users. I 
know I am. I wouldn't be able to devote much time at all to the project 
if I wasn't actively using the code. Also, while I haven't been a member 
of the project for very long, I've been very impressed by the openness 
and willingness of the developers to get involved with helping users 
with problems. Personally, I think that's a strength of the project.

What is it about the user's list that you weren't expecting? Maybe we 
can help you find what you're looking for.

-James

Walter wrote:

> Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just for 
> developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer section in 
> after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from developers.  Can 
> someone tell me where the user section is so that I can get some 
> cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a thread exist?
> 
> James Mason wrote:
> 
>> Welcome welcome :)
>>
>> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Slide community!
>>>
>>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>
>>> Welcome to both of you.
>>>
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: slide-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: slide-user-help@jakarta.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by Walter <wa...@builditglobal.com>.
cute!  I just got the point.

Michael Oliver wrote:

>This is a user List and I am a User.
>
>Michael Oliver
>CTO
>Alarius Systems LLC
>3325 N. Nellis Blvd, #1
>Las Vegas, NV 89115
>Phone:(702)643-7425
>Fax:(520)844-1036
>*Note new email changed from oliverm@matrix-media.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Walter [mailto:walterb@builditglobal.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:30 PM
>To: Slide Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan
>
>Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just for 
>developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer section in 
>after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from developers.  Can 
>someone tell me where the user section is so that I can get some 
>cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a thread exist?
>
>James Mason wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Welcome welcome :)
>>
>>Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Dear Slide community!
>>>
>>>We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>>
>>>Welcome to both of you.
>>>
>>>Oliver
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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RE: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by Michael Oliver <ol...@sourceonenet.com>.
This is a user List and I am a User.

Michael Oliver
CTO
Alarius Systems LLC
3325 N. Nellis Blvd, #1
Las Vegas, NV 89115
Phone:(702)643-7425
Fax:(520)844-1036
*Note new email changed from oliverm@matrix-media.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter [mailto:walterb@builditglobal.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Slide Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just for 
developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer section in 
after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from developers.  Can 
someone tell me where the user section is so that I can get some 
cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a thread exist?

James Mason wrote:

> Welcome welcome :)
>
> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>
>> Dear Slide community!
>>
>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>
>> Welcome to both of you.
>>
>> Oliver
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by Walter <wa...@builditglobal.com>.
Can someone please tell me if this email thread for users or just for 
developers?  I signed up for the users, not the developer section in 
after the past 10 days or so I only see comments from developers.  Can 
someone tell me where the user section is so that I can get some 
cooperative commentary for users only?  Does such a thread exist?

James Mason wrote:

> Welcome welcome :)
>
> Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
>
>> Dear Slide community!
>>
>> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
>>
>> Welcome to both of you.
>>
>> Oliver
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: slide-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: slide-user-help@jakarta.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: New Committers Davide and Ryan

Posted by James Mason <ma...@apache.org>.
Welcome welcome :)

Oliver Zeigermann wrote:

> Dear Slide community!
> 
> We have two new committers, Davide and Ryan.
> 
> Welcome to both of you.
> 
> Oliver
> 
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