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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> on 2021/07/02 16:03:32 UTC

Beta for Apache NetBeans 12.5

Hi,

Is a beta needed for 12.5 ? 

 We still need to validate signature snapshot for 12.4 before this.

 

Just a reminder to all commiters please flag the milestone to 12.5 on merge
it's ease to construct  Release Note.

 

Best Regards

Eric

Re: NETBEANS-189 Sql Auto complete PR-2820

Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.

I think a solution here is to not begin with your first change to the repo
until you have two or three committers to support you from beginning to end
of the process.

In the case of Eric Brasie, his explanation makes sense to me, his work
sounds ready, and it appears three files are impacted, however, from the
sounds of things, it does sound like a bit of a brittle solution.

Eric Barboni as release manager should have the final call though it would
be great if Matthias would weigh in too since he’s been quite involved with
this one, to give his final approval.

Thanks,

Gj

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 2:57 PM Jakub Herkel <jh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I must say, that review process is not a straightforward as it can be.
> I have also some PR and I can see similar problems as you have with
> your PR. There were helpful review comments but after some time there
> weren't any further reactions (positive or negative). I understand
> that for open source projects there are some delays quite often but my
> observation
> is that there are three types of PR (with some simplification):
> 1) simple changes - no problem with a review
> 2) changes (sometimes quite complex) backboned by some "high level"
> developers (Oracle and some other people) - review process & merging
> is quite straightforward
> 3) some complex or not trivial changes without "support" - from time
> to time there are problems with review & merging
>
> Maybe now it is time to talk how we (developer,reviewers) could improve
> point 3.
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 1:44 AM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I know before sending this, that it will be perceived as yet another long
> > email including a lot of extra and/or editorial details…I’ve done long
> and
> > I’ve done short without much luck either way.
> >
> > It was suggested before taking on a larger task (i.e. Python), that I
> try a
> > smaller task.  So this was my first attempt (for what I believed to be a
> > smaller task) working a Netbeans ticket and submitting a PR.  I am by no
> > means an expert on all things Netbeans internals (and GitHub activities)
> > which is why I’ve been asking so many questions and looking for mentoring
> > on such things.
> >
> > The latest cleaned up version has resulted in a small fix of 3 file
> changes
> > visible in the PR.  Most of the discussions are resolved or awaiting
> > acceptance of most recent changes.
> >
> > While not a wiki page, I’ve documented it in mailing list threads,
> > NETBEANS-189 JIRA ticket, PR-2820 discussions and have discussed it on
> > Stack Netbeans general channel.
> >
> > If the requirement for a fix is to document it on a wiki or document line
> > by line, I would be interested to see other such actions on recent
> changes.
> >
> > I’ve responded multiple times on many threads (1), (2), (3), (4), (5),
> > including responses to your most recent (5) in which I summarized again,
> > showed how it was tested, and included a video showing the fix in action.
> >
> > I’ve asked questions receiving helpful responses; I’ve asked question
> with
> > no responses; I’ve asked lengthy and specific questions (assuming more
> > specifics were need) to focus the details with no responses; I’ve asked
> > short one…no response.  I’m really not sure how else to communicate on
> such
> > things.
> >
> > I know everyone has other work to and acknowledge not everyone has the
> > expertise, inclinations, or time to do so which is why I’ve been patient
> > waiting from inclusion for multiple releases raising the questions
> multiple
> > times.
> >
> > I had some bad changes (i.e. initial attempts for “SQL Hints” which were
> > removed for future work later, had some commit auto build issues [due to
> > missed bad change removal], attempted “connection less” refactoring
> without
> > much luck [this is a more complex architectural change out of scope of
> > this] but create a separate ticket to address it later, etc.) which I’ve
> > removed, updated and/or learned from.
> >
> > Here is yet another attempt to explain the problem and the PR changes.
> >
> > Problem is when no connection is available, it’s impossible to
> autocorrect
> > with DBs, tables, and fields identifiers.  So no auto-completion of DB
> > based is possible.  However it goes further in that even basic SQL
> > auto-completion is not possible.  As written rather than handle basic SQL
> > completion, it opens a dialog asking to establish a connection which is
> > fine but still prevents basic SQL auto-completion.
> >
> > Change involve:
> > - Checking in specific applicable locations in the Sql Editor project
> when
> > a “quoter” is null and allows it to recover and progress further.  The
> > quoter is usually null because at the time there is no connection used in
> > determining identifiers and how to quote them. Identifiers and quoters
> used
> > during autocompletion are dependent on the DB (connection) involved have
> to
> > account for different DB vendors implementation of identifiers and
> quoting
> > of identifiers (i.e. some DB allow quotes, allow spaces, single
> > quote/double quotes, etc.).  If the quoter is not available (i.e. no
> > connection), prior to the fix, this prevented any sql auto completion
> (i.e.
> > can’t even auto complete the start of an sql expression).  With the
> current
> > fixes, this is possible.
> > - Additional comments were also added in applicable locations to help.
> >
> > Should the PR just rejected, create a new PR with only the most recent
> > changes and start over?  I’m a little hesitant as there is a lot of (as
> has
> > been pointed out) what I view as valuable details and lessons learned.
> >
> > So….what now?
> >
> > References:
> > (1) Initial question on issue and how to proceed
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r3d81870ee2dda606e2a2ea2d23b48efca3dc0ed2c0e4976316e41a3b%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > (2) With requests and response including attempt (and removal) of
> > refactoring
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r212d97b370759b0cd32c8818915e71d4501b6d9317229e84a6ad707a%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > (3) Further updates and adding/removal of hints and annotations and build
> > issues
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rbff4e502afa275c2b78023d366e6e41bd0345fd7a1ab513e7f0561a1%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > (4) Nearing completion with discussion on refactoring
> > connection/connectionless and links to new tickets raise in the process
> for
> > future work
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf7e71e41291a33c286a55875e501fd849a2932373b93eccbaa55b30c%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > (5) Request and response
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r84872aa56881043a18ff2904bacee046167f2fafe69dedc97545a772%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> >
> > (6)  Latests thread showing summary details including test details and a
> > link to video showing the fix in action
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r88c0ee9aaba1c337ff306bf1349325c05b269b22eca43e717653a618%40%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 8:23 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I’ve asked you this in another thread but got no response — you have
> done
> > > so much work and rework on this pull request that it is hard to tell
> the
> > > wood from the trees. Probably almost nobody can review this PR anymore.
> > >
> > > Are you able to explain and account for every statement you’re
> proposing
> > > adding to the repository?
> > >
> > > If so, can you create a Wiki page or something somewhere with step by
> step
> > > instructions so someone can see what exactly your pull request
> consists of
> > > (explain from scratch what we’re trying to achieve with this pr and
> > > precisely what code needs to be put where in our repo to achieve that)?
> > >
> > > If not, i.e., if you cannot account for each line of code that you’re
> > > proposing to add, if you have hacked things together here and there, if
> > > there are parts that you don’t completely understand or can’t explain —
> > > then you probably don’t want this code in our repo yourself, because
> then
> > > there’ll be a lot of problems that someone else (who? you?) will be
> fixing
> > > to potentially even get NetBeans even to start.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 at 02:20, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2820
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 6:50 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > >> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Can you point to the PR you’re referring to?
> > >>>
> > >>> Gj
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 at 01:12, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > How’s does one get something approved?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > The last change requested was against old out of date files
> (changes
> > >>> were
> > >>> > made since then).  I’ve seen no further comments, reviews and/or
> > >>> approval
> > >>> > for close to 3 months now beyond my own comment (with new ticket to
> > >>> address
> > >>> > the major architectural changes requested).
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Eric
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 10:32 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > >>> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > Once a PR has been approved and merged, let’s think about setting
> > >>> tags
> > >>> > and
> > >>> > > so on for it at that stage.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Gj
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 at 17:16, Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > > There is a JIRA ticket (NETBEANS-189
> > >>> > > > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-189>) which
> allows
> > >>> > > labels
> > >>> > > > and target releases but github / PRs are different system(s).
> > >>> > > > I assume only official committers on the apache/netbeans with
> the
> > >>> > > > applicable roles and/or permissions are allowed to do so.
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > So then am I correct in saying I will need an "official
> committer"
> > >>> to
> > >>> > do
> > >>> > > > so?
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > Eric Bresie
> > >>> > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:41 PM Piotr Hoppe <
> tygrysekhd@gmail.com>
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > > Did you check a JIRA ticket?
> > >>> > > > >
> > >>> > > > > Piotr
> > >>> > > > >
> > >>> > > > > W dniu 2021-07-02 o 19:42, Eric Bresie pisze:
> > >>> > > > > > How does one flag the milestone and/or labels of a PR? Are
> > >>> there
> > >>> > > > specific
> > >>> > > > > > steps or permissions needed?  On a PR I'm working on I
> don't
> > >>> see
> > >>> > any
> > >>> > > > way
> > >>> > > > > to
> > >>> > > > > > do so or even if I'm allowed to.
> > >>> > > > > >
> > >>> > > > > > Eric Bresie
> > >>> > > > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > >>> > > > > >
> > >>> > > > > >
> > >>> > > > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 11:03 AM Eric Barboni <
> skygo@apache.org
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > wrote:
> > >>> > > > > >
> > >>> > > > > >> Just a reminder to all commiters please flag the
> milestone to
> > >>> 12.5
> > >>> > > on
> > >>> > > > > merge
> > >>> > > > > >> it's ease to construct  Release Note.
> > >>> > > > > >>
> > >>> > > > > >>
> > >>> > > > >
> > >>> > > > >
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> > >>> > --
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> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >> --
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> > >>
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