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[jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-42) Change WikiWizard license into
Apache
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-42?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12595924#action_12595924 ]
Janne Jalkanen commented on JSPWIKI-42:
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Ping? Anyone? Shall we remove WikiWizard?
> Change WikiWizard license into Apache
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>
> Key: JSPWIKI-42
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-42
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Editors
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Fix For: 2.8
>
>
> WikiWizard is currently distributed under LGPL. In order for it to be a part of the distro, it needs to be relicensed under Apache 2.0.
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Re: [jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-42) Change WikiWizard license into Apache
Posted by Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>.
On 15 May 2008, at 16:21, Harry Metske wrote:
> Maybe I am wrong, but isn't WikiWizard an applet that generates
> wiki tekst
> for you.
> This is not WYSIWYG.
It's kind of. It combines both wikitext and the actual rendering...
/Janne
Re: [jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-42) Change WikiWizard license into Apache
Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
Maybe I am wrong, but isn't WikiWizard an applet that generates wiki tekst
for you.
This is not WYSIWYG.
Unlike FCK, which is really WYSIWYG.
Harry
2008/5/15, Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>:
>
> I personally agree with Harry but unfortunately should probably make a
>> plea for its continuation if at all possible, despite not being able to
>> provide any support for it timewise nor expertise-wise, as I have little
>> experience with JavaScript.
>>
>
> WikiWizard is a Java applet, not Javascript.
>
> I agree that WYSIWYG editing is an important feature. However, we will
> need to drop WikiWizard from the distribution unless it changes license.
>
> That isn't really the end of the world, though - we can easily provide a
> non-Apache download package, which allows the easy installation of
> WikiWizard on top of the existing JSPWiki install. It's just that we can't
> release it as a part of the content.
>
> We should investigate bringing in another editor, like FCK. Or something
> more designed for wiki usage.
>
> /Janne
>
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Re: [jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-42) Change WikiWizard license into Apache
Posted by Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>.
> I personally agree with Harry but unfortunately should probably make a
> plea for its continuation if at all possible, despite not being
> able to
> provide any support for it timewise nor expertise-wise, as I have
> little
> experience with JavaScript.
WikiWizard is a Java applet, not Javascript.
I agree that WYSIWYG editing is an important feature. However, we
will need to drop WikiWizard from the distribution unless it changes
license.
That isn't really the end of the world, though - we can easily
provide a non-Apache download package, which allows the easy
installation of WikiWizard on top of the existing JSPWiki install.
It's just that we can't release it as a part of the content.
We should investigate bringing in another editor, like FCK. Or
something more designed for wiki usage.
/Janne
Re: [jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-42) Change WikiWizard license into
Apache
Posted by Murray Altheim <mu...@altheim.com>.
Harry Metske wrote:
> As for as I'm concerned it can be removed, I don't want to rely on anything
> on the client except a standard browser.
> Also, a wiki should be lightweight, and it is already "heavy" enough with
> the current java scripts.
> I don't use it anywhere, and I don't plan to.
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I personally agree with Harry but unfortunately should probably make a
plea for its continuation if at all possible, despite not being able to
provide any support for it timewise nor expertise-wise, as I have little
experience with JavaScript.,Sadly, in our recent evaluation people (who
are not widely experienced with wikis) nevertheless felt that WYSIWYG
was an important feature, enough so that in the points scoring JSPWiki
might not have passed muster if it didn't have WYSIWYG [and please don't
judge me by the survey results -- I disagree quite vehemently with
*requiring* a wiki to provide WYSIWYG editing support, but I was just a
minor peep in that barren management wilderness.]
Point is, when decision makers decide which wiki to use they'll often
think "WYSIWYG editing" should be listed as a requirement for adoption
of a wiki, and if JSPWiki didn't have it there might be a migration to
other wiki applications that do. If that's enough of an issue to rally
to its cause, I dunno.
Murray
> 2008/5/11 Janne Jalkanen (JIRA) <ji...@apache.org>:
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>> Janne Jalkanen commented on JSPWIKI-42:
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>> Ping? Anyone? Shall we remove WikiWizard?
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Re: [jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-42) Change WikiWizard license into Apache
Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
As for as I'm concerned it can be removed, I don't want to rely on anything
on the client except a standard browser.
Also, a wiki should be lightweight, and it is already "heavy" enough with
the current java scripts.
I don't use it anywhere, and I don't plan to.
regards,
Harry
2008/5/11 Janne Jalkanen (JIRA) <ji...@apache.org>:
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> Janne Jalkanen commented on JSPWIKI-42:
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Ping? Anyone? Shall we remove WikiWizard?
>
> > Change WikiWizard license into Apache
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > Key: JSPWIKI-42
> > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-42
> > Project: JSPWiki
> > Issue Type: Task
> > Components: Editors
> > Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> > Fix For: 2.8
> >
> >
> > WikiWizard is currently distributed under LGPL. In order for it to be a
> part of the distro, it needs to be relicensed under Apache 2.0.
>
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