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Posted to derby-dev@db.apache.org by "Bernt M. Johnsen" <Be...@Sun.COM> on 2005/11/07 13:15:06 UTC
Where to place emacs-mode for ij
I have a quite handy emacs-mode for ij which I want to
contribute. Is plugins/emacs a suitable place?
There will be one .el file and one readme file.
--
Bernt Marius Johnsen, Database Technology Group,
Sun Microsystems, Trondheim, Norway
Re: Where to place emacs-mode for ij
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
> Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>
>>Knut Anders Hatlen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Bernt M. Johnsen" <Be...@Sun.COM> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bernt M. Johnsen wrote (2005-11-07 13:15:06):
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a quite handy emacs-mode for ij which I want to
>>>>>contribute. Is plugins/emacs a suitable place?
>>>>>
>>>>>There will be one .el file and one readme file.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A worry: sql-ij.el uses (calls) emacs' sqli.el which is distributed
>>>>under GPL (i think). Would that cuase problems if I want to distribute
>>>>sql-ij.el under an apache license as part of Derby?
> ...
> Hmmm, what's the exact relation of sql-ij.el to sqli.el?
sql-ij.el invokes sqli.el, according to Bernt's description.
> If sqli.el is seen as a library, or a plug-in then sql-ij.el would have
> to be released under the GPL. Which obviously would not be acceptable as
> ASF.
well, that's a good point -- and I'm glad you raised it.
I was viewing the .el file pretty much like an xsl style sheet file, but
the fact that it's actually lisp and needs to be compiled sets it a
notch above.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfLibraryIsGPL
>
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCGPLAndPlugins
>
> I would advise asking tha ASF legal-discuss before adding this code to SVN.
Bernt, did you produce the .el file entirely on your own?
If you did not, then it can't likely be committed/distributed.
If you did, then it would be worth checking with legal-discuss. This
issue hasn't been raised on that list yet.
-jean
Re: Where to place emacs-mode for ij
Posted by Daniel John Debrunner <dj...@debrunners.com>.
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Knut Anders Hatlen wrote:
>
>> "Bernt M. Johnsen" <Be...@Sun.COM> writes:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bernt M. Johnsen wrote (2005-11-07 13:15:06):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a quite handy emacs-mode for ij which I want to
>>>> contribute. Is plugins/emacs a suitable place?
>>>>
>>>> There will be one .el file and one readme file.
>>>
>>>
>>> A worry: sql-ij.el uses (calls) emacs' sqli.el which is distributed
>>> under GPL (i think). Would that cuase problems if I want to distribute
>>> sql-ij.el under an apache license as part of Derby?
>>
>>
>>
>> As long as we only distribute sql-ij.el in source form, not binary, I
>> don't think there's any problem. I'm not a lawyer, though...
>>
>
> Distributing Bernt's sql-ij.el source file contributed under the ASL
> should be fine, and distributing anything under GPL isn't. So maybe the
> readme could provide instructions on where to download the GPL piece and
> build it.
Hmmm, what's the exact relation of sql-ij.el to sqli.el?
If sqli.el is seen as a library, or a plug-in then sql-ij.el would have
to be released under the GPL. Which obviously would not be acceptable as
ASF.
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfLibraryIsGPL
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCGPLAndPlugins
I would advise asking tha ASF legal-discuss before adding this code to SVN.
Dan.
Re: Where to place emacs-mode for ij
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> ...
> p.s. There have been quite a few discussions on legal-discuss@apache.org
> regarding lgpl and possibly relaxing the current apache rules (if I'm
> reading things right). More importantly, it sounds like they're going to
> target ApacheCon in December for solidified info. I'd encourage all the
> committers interested in these licensing issues to attend.
I should have said committers *and* contributors and just generally
anyone who is interested in these issues. It's an excellent opportunity
to discuss licensing at a much higher baud rate.
-jean
Re: Where to place emacs-mode for ij
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Knut Anders Hatlen wrote:
> "Bernt M. Johnsen" <Be...@Sun.COM> writes:
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bernt M. Johnsen wrote (2005-11-07 13:15:06):
>>>
>>>I have a quite handy emacs-mode for ij which I want to
>>>contribute. Is plugins/emacs a suitable place?
>>>
>>>There will be one .el file and one readme file.
>>
>>A worry: sql-ij.el uses (calls) emacs' sqli.el which is distributed
>>under GPL (i think). Would that cuase problems if I want to distribute
>>sql-ij.el under an apache license as part of Derby?
>
>
> As long as we only distribute sql-ij.el in source form, not binary, I
> don't think there's any problem. I'm not a lawyer, though...
>
Distributing Bernt's sql-ij.el source file contributed under the ASL
should be fine, and distributing anything under GPL isn't. So maybe the
readme could provide instructions on where to download the GPL piece and
build it.
-jean
p.s. There have been quite a few discussions on legal-discuss@apache.org
regarding lgpl and possibly relaxing the current apache rules (if I'm
reading things right). More importantly, it sounds like they're going to
target ApacheCon in December for solidified info. I'd encourage all the
committers interested in these licensing issues to attend.
Re: Where to place emacs-mode for ij
Posted by Knut Anders Hatlen <Kn...@Sun.COM>.
"Bernt M. Johnsen" <Be...@Sun.COM> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bernt M. Johnsen wrote (2005-11-07 13:15:06):
>> I have a quite handy emacs-mode for ij which I want to
>> contribute. Is plugins/emacs a suitable place?
>>
>> There will be one .el file and one readme file.
>
> A worry: sql-ij.el uses (calls) emacs' sqli.el which is distributed
> under GPL (i think). Would that cuase problems if I want to distribute
> sql-ij.el under an apache license as part of Derby?
As long as we only distribute sql-ij.el in source form, not binary, I
don't think there's any problem. I'm not a lawyer, though...
--
Knut Anders
Re: Where to place emacs-mode for ij
Posted by "Bernt M. Johnsen" <Be...@Sun.COM>.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bernt M. Johnsen wrote (2005-11-07 13:15:06):
> I have a quite handy emacs-mode for ij which I want to
> contribute. Is plugins/emacs a suitable place?
>
> There will be one .el file and one readme file.
A worry: sql-ij.el uses (calls) emacs' sqli.el which is distributed
under GPL (i think). Would that cuase problems if I want to distribute
sql-ij.el under an apache license as part of Derby?
> --
> Bernt Marius Johnsen, Database Technology Group,
> Sun Microsystems, Trondheim, Norway
--
Bernt Marius Johnsen, Database Technology Group,
Sun Microsystems, Trondheim, Norway