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Posted to dev@whimsical.apache.org by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> on 2015/11/21 04:10:33 UTC

ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.

How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:

to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.

Craig


Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:32 AM, Craig L Russell
<cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>>>
>>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>>>
>>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
>>
>> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail', but here
>> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
>> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
>> then enter the expressions listed below.
>
> did this.
>
> irb(main):004:0* ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
> => ["craig.russell@sun.com"]
>
> clr actually has one alias in mail aliases according to https://id.apache.org/info/MailAlias.txt
>
> What source does ASF::Person use?

If you configure ~/.whimsy to include foundation, it will pick up
email addresses from members.txt too.

> Craig

- Sam Ruby

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>> 
>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>> 
>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
> 
> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail', but here
> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
> then enter the expressions listed below.

did this. 

irb(main):004:0* ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
=> ["craig.russell@sun.com"]

clr actually has one alias in mail aliases according to https://id.apache.org/info/MailAlias.txt

What source does ASF::Person use?

Craig
> 
> Here is how to find all email addresses:
> 
> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
> 
> Here is how to remove the 'to' address:
> 
> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']
> 
> Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:
> 
> (ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')
> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
> 
> - Sam Ruby

Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 5:51 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24 November 2015 at 04:39, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok. The bad entries with notinavail come in three flavors:
>>
>> no icla stub
>> icla stub but no document in documents/iclas/stub
>
> Not sure how one can detect that easily - or do you mean that the file
> name field is missing?
>
>> comment  (+=r9120) or  (+=r9154) or (page 3 missing)
>>
>> If the acreq tool can be updated to deny these cases, then there is nothing more needed to flag these entries.
>
> Seems to me that an unambiguous way to fix these would be to remove or
> replace the 'Signed CLA' text for cases that don't have valid CLAs.

+1

Here is the acreq tool:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/trunk/tools/submit-account-request.rb

Here is the regular expression it currently uses:

/^notinavail:.*?:(.*?):(.*?):Signed CLA/

- Sam Ruby

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 24 November 2015 at 04:39, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 23 November 2015 at 20:54, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 9:38 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 22 November 2015 at 16:14, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 22, 2015, at 7:22 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 November 2015 at 03:50, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail’,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not really needed, since notinavail entries can simply be removed after sending email once.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure that's true - see recent e-mail from Sam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/board/201511.mbox/%3cCAFG6u8E+v_j_R8cCMfS5VQaHSsuf_VNgRvqXx5QQsh0SoWvSCQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't we need to keep a record of all ICLAs submitted?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I’m no longer thinking that we should remove the iclas.txt entry, but need to modify the public name to indicate that the icla went missing.
>>>>
>>>> "modify the public name"
>>>>
>>>> Not sure that is a good idea.
>>>> Surely the place to record missing ICLA files is the 5th field which
>>>> has a suffix (after the semi-colon) for recording the ICLA file name.
>>>
>>> The problem is that a PMC just looks at http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html and sees that an ICLA is on file. But these 33 entries have no ICLA. So if the PMC request an account, root would have to research whether there is actually an icla. I’m trying to avoid that.
>>>
>>> My proposal: Instead of e.g. Charles McLouth showing up, it would be Charles McLouth (no ICLA) and surely there is no need for research by root.
>>>
>>> The alternative to avoid the above is to remove the iclas.txt entry, but that has its own problems.
>>
>> Or fix the people.a.o app to take note of another indicator in the file.
>
> Ok. The bad entries with notinavail come in three flavors:
>
> no icla stub
> icla stub but no document in documents/iclas/stub

Not sure how one can detect that easily - or do you mean that the file
name field is missing?

> comment  (+=r9120) or  (+=r9154) or (page 3 missing)
>
> If the acreq tool can be updated to deny these cases, then there is nothing more needed to flag these entries.

Seems to me that an unambiguous way to fix these would be to remove or
replace the 'Signed CLA' text for cases that don't have valid CLAs.

> Craig
>
>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There are only 33 cases of missing iclas for notinavail, so the tool will simply be full of those folks that we cannot locate. What would be bad is for these folks to fail to respond to the request for a replacement, and for a PMC to then offer commit privileges.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> " the tool will simply be full ..."
>>>>
>>>> Not sure I understand what tool is being referenced here.
>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but here
>>>>>>>> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
>>>>>>>> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
>>>>>>>> then enter the expressions listed below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ll give these a shot and let you know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is how to find all email addresses:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is how to remove the 'to' address:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
> On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 23 November 2015 at 20:54, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 9:38 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 22 November 2015 at 16:14, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 22, 2015, at 7:22 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 November 2015 at 03:50, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail’,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> not really needed, since notinavail entries can simply be removed after sending email once.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure that's true - see recent e-mail from Sam
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/board/201511.mbox/%3cCAFG6u8E+v_j_R8cCMfS5VQaHSsuf_VNgRvqXx5QQsh0SoWvSCQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't we need to keep a record of all ICLAs submitted?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes. I’m no longer thinking that we should remove the iclas.txt entry, but need to modify the public name to indicate that the icla went missing.
>>> 
>>> "modify the public name"
>>> 
>>> Not sure that is a good idea.
>>> Surely the place to record missing ICLA files is the 5th field which
>>> has a suffix (after the semi-colon) for recording the ICLA file name.
>> 
>> The problem is that a PMC just looks at http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html and sees that an ICLA is on file. But these 33 entries have no ICLA. So if the PMC request an account, root would have to research whether there is actually an icla. I’m trying to avoid that.
>> 
>> My proposal: Instead of e.g. Charles McLouth showing up, it would be Charles McLouth (no ICLA) and surely there is no need for research by root.
>> 
>> The alternative to avoid the above is to remove the iclas.txt entry, but that has its own problems.
> 
> Or fix the people.a.o app to take note of another indicator in the file.

Ok. The bad entries with notinavail come in three flavors:

no icla stub
icla stub but no document in documents/iclas/stub
comment  (+=r9120) or  (+=r9154) or (page 3 missing)

If the acreq tool can be updated to deny these cases, then there is nothing more needed to flag these entries.

Craig

> 
>> Craig
>> 
>>> 
>>>> There are only 33 cases of missing iclas for notinavail, so the tool will simply be full of those folks that we cannot locate. What would be bad is for these folks to fail to respond to the request for a replacement, and for a PMC to then offer commit privileges.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> " the tool will simply be full ..."
>>> 
>>> Not sure I understand what tool is being referenced here.
>>> 
>>>> Craig
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> but here
>>>>>>> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
>>>>>>> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
>>>>>>> then enter the expressions listed below.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ll give these a shot and let you know.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is how to find all email addresses:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is how to remove the 'to' address:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> (ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>> 
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>> 

Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 23 November 2015 at 20:54, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 9:38 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 22 November 2015 at 16:14, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 22, 2015, at 7:22 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 21 November 2015 at 03:50, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail’,
>>>>>
>>>>> not really needed, since notinavail entries can simply be removed after sending email once.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure that's true - see recent e-mail from Sam
>>>>
>>>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/board/201511.mbox/%3cCAFG6u8E+v_j_R8cCMfS5VQaHSsuf_VNgRvqXx5QQsh0SoWvSCQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>>
>>>> Don't we need to keep a record of all ICLAs submitted?
>>>
>>> Yes. I’m no longer thinking that we should remove the iclas.txt entry, but need to modify the public name to indicate that the icla went missing.
>>
>> "modify the public name"
>>
>> Not sure that is a good idea.
>> Surely the place to record missing ICLA files is the 5th field which
>> has a suffix (after the semi-colon) for recording the ICLA file name.
>
> The problem is that a PMC just looks at http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html and sees that an ICLA is on file. But these 33 entries have no ICLA. So if the PMC request an account, root would have to research whether there is actually an icla. I’m trying to avoid that.
>
> My proposal: Instead of e.g. Charles McLouth showing up, it would be Charles McLouth (no ICLA) and surely there is no need for research by root.
>
> The alternative to avoid the above is to remove the iclas.txt entry, but that has its own problems.

Or fix the people.a.o app to take note of another indicator in the file.

> Craig
>
>>
>>> There are only 33 cases of missing iclas for notinavail, so the tool will simply be full of those folks that we cannot locate. What would be bad is for these folks to fail to respond to the request for a replacement, and for a PMC to then offer commit privileges.
>>>
>>
>> " the tool will simply be full ..."
>>
>> Not sure I understand what tool is being referenced here.
>>
>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> but here
>>>>>> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
>>>>>> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
>>>>>> then enter the expressions listed below.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ll give these a shot and let you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is how to find all email addresses:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is how to remove the 'to' address:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
> On Nov 23, 2015, at 9:38 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 22 November 2015 at 16:14, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2015, at 7:22 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 21 November 2015 at 03:50, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
>>>>> 
>>>>> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail’,
>>>> 
>>>> not really needed, since notinavail entries can simply be removed after sending email once.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure that's true - see recent e-mail from Sam
>>> 
>>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/board/201511.mbox/%3cCAFG6u8E+v_j_R8cCMfS5VQaHSsuf_VNgRvqXx5QQsh0SoWvSCQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>> 
>>> Don't we need to keep a record of all ICLAs submitted?
>> 
>> Yes. I’m no longer thinking that we should remove the iclas.txt entry, but need to modify the public name to indicate that the icla went missing.
> 
> "modify the public name"
> 
> Not sure that is a good idea.
> Surely the place to record missing ICLA files is the 5th field which
> has a suffix (after the semi-colon) for recording the ICLA file name.

The problem is that a PMC just looks at http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html and sees that an ICLA is on file. But these 33 entries have no ICLA. So if the PMC request an account, root would have to research whether there is actually an icla. I’m trying to avoid that.

My proposal: Instead of e.g. Charles McLouth showing up, it would be Charles McLouth (no ICLA) and surely there is no need for research by root. 

The alternative to avoid the above is to remove the iclas.txt entry, but that has its own problems.

Craig

> 
>> There are only 33 cases of missing iclas for notinavail, so the tool will simply be full of those folks that we cannot locate. What would be bad is for these folks to fail to respond to the request for a replacement, and for a PMC to then offer commit privileges.
>> 
> 
> " the tool will simply be full ..."
> 
> Not sure I understand what tool is being referenced here.
> 
>> Craig
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> but here
>>>>> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
>>>>> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
>>>>> then enter the expressions listed below.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ll give these a shot and let you know.
>>>> 
>>>> Craig
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is how to find all email addresses:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is how to remove the 'to' address:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:
>>>>> 
>>>>> (ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>> 
>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>> 
>> 
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
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Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 22 November 2015 at 16:14, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 22, 2015, at 7:22 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 21 November 2015 at 03:50, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>>>>>
>>>>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>>>>>
>>>>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
>>>>
>>>> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail’,
>>>
>>> not really needed, since notinavail entries can simply be removed after sending email once.
>>
>> I'm not sure that's true - see recent e-mail from Sam
>>
>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/board/201511.mbox/%3cCAFG6u8E+v_j_R8cCMfS5VQaHSsuf_VNgRvqXx5QQsh0SoWvSCQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>
>> Don't we need to keep a record of all ICLAs submitted?
>
> Yes. I’m no longer thinking that we should remove the iclas.txt entry, but need to modify the public name to indicate that the icla went missing.

"modify the public name"

Not sure that is a good idea.
Surely the place to record missing ICLA files is the 5th field which
has a suffix (after the semi-colon) for recording the ICLA file name.

> There are only 33 cases of missing iclas for notinavail, so the tool will simply be full of those folks that we cannot locate. What would be bad is for these folks to fail to respond to the request for a replacement, and for a PMC to then offer commit privileges.
>

" the tool will simply be full ..."

Not sure I understand what tool is being referenced here.

> Craig
>>
>>
>>>> but here
>>>> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
>>>> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
>>>> then enter the expressions listed below.
>>>
>>> I’ll give these a shot and let you know.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> Here is how to find all email addresses:
>>>>
>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
>>>>
>>>> Here is how to remove the 'to' address:
>>>>
>>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']
>>>>
>>>> Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:
>>>>
>>>> (ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')
>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>
>>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
> On Nov 22, 2015, at 7:22 AM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 21 November 2015 at 03:50, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>>>> 
>>>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>>>> 
>>>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
>>> 
>>> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail’,
>> 
>> not really needed, since notinavail entries can simply be removed after sending email once.
> 
> I'm not sure that's true - see recent e-mail from Sam
> 
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/board/201511.mbox/%3cCAFG6u8E+v_j_R8cCMfS5VQaHSsuf_VNgRvqXx5QQsh0SoWvSCQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
> 
> Don't we need to keep a record of all ICLAs submitted?

Yes. I’m no longer thinking that we should remove the iclas.txt entry, but need to modify the public name to indicate that the icla went missing. There are only 33 cases of missing iclas for notinavail, so the tool will simply be full of those folks that we cannot locate. What would be bad is for these folks to fail to respond to the request for a replacement, and for a PMC to then offer commit privileges.

Craig
> 
> 
>>> but here
>>> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
>>> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
>>> then enter the expressions listed below.
>> 
>> I’ll give these a shot and let you know.
>> 
>> Craig
>>> 
>>> Here is how to find all email addresses:
>>> 
>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
>>> 
>>> Here is how to remove the 'to' address:
>>> 
>>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']
>>> 
>>> Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:
>>> 
>>> (ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')
>>> 
>>>> Craig
>>>> 
>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>> 
>>> - Sam Ruby
>> 
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>> 

Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 21 November 2015 at 03:50, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>>>
>>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>>>
>>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
>>
>> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail’,
>
> not really needed, since notinavail entries can simply be removed after sending email once.

I'm not sure that's true - see recent e-mail from Sam

https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/board/201511.mbox/%3cCAFG6u8E+v_j_R8cCMfS5VQaHSsuf_VNgRvqXx5QQsh0SoWvSCQ@mail.gmail.com%3e

Don't we need to keep a record of all ICLAs submitted?


>> but here
>> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
>> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
>> then enter the expressions listed below.
>
> I’ll give these a shot and let you know.
>
> Craig
>>
>> Here is how to find all email addresses:
>>
>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
>>
>> Here is how to remove the 'to' address:
>>
>> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']
>>
>> Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:
>>
>> (ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')
>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>> 
>> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>> 
>> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.
> 
> First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail’,

not really needed, since notinavail entries can simply be removed after sending email once.

> but here
> are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
> these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
> then enter the expressions listed below.

I’ll give these a shot and let you know.

Craig
> 
> Here is how to find all email addresses:
> 
> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail
> 
> Here is how to remove the 'to' address:
> 
> ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']
> 
> Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:
> 
> (ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')
> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
> 
> - Sam Ruby

Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

Re: ICLA-lint feature: cc: mail aliases

Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Craig L Russell
<cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
> I noticed during the recent work that the email address in iclas.txt is out of date with reality. At least a couple of addresses are in the sun.com domain, clearly not current.
>
> How could I send email to the address in iclas.txt and also to all addresses in mail aliases? Something like:
>
> to: craig.russell@sun.com cc: craig.russell@oracle.com,papajdo@gmail.com,clr@apache.org reflecting both the iclas.txt address plus all of the mail aliases.

First, this is not possible for entries with 'notinavail', but here
are a few things to explore.  The way I would recommend you explore
these values is to type "irb -r whimsy/asf" from the command line and
then enter the expressions listed below.

Here is how to find all email addresses:

ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail

Here is how to remove the 'to' address:

ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']

Here is how to return the results as a comma separated string:

(ASF::Person.find('clr').all_mail - ['craig.russell@sun.com']).join(',')

> Craig
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

- Sam Ruby