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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> on 2019/06/19 11:53:40 UTC
Profiler images in main toolbar
Hi David and Chris,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans
icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different
overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Gj
RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
And of course I would love to recruit David to help with the SVGification of NetBeans icons :-) But I know it's a big boring task...
(SVG icons will soon be supported, for improving NetBeans' appearance on HiDPI displays, once the PR at https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1278 is finalized and merged.)
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:13 AM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org; David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
See https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills, though.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>; dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
Hi David and Chris,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Gj
Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Perfect and many thanks!
Gj
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:30 AM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de> wrote:
> Sorry for waiting Geertjan!
>
> https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
>
> Here are the new files 😉
>
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --
>
> uxactly GmbH <http://uxact.ly/> | raiken.de <https://raiken.studio>
> system design thinking
>
> Kurfürstendamm 28
>
> 10719 Berlin
>
> Tel: 0174 933 85 36
> Mail: david@uxact.ly
> Skype: raiken@live.de
>
>
>
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> <https://www.xing.com/profile/David_Schulz>
>
>
>
> *From: *Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> *Sent: *Donnerstag, 27. Juni 2019 12:12
> *To: *dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>; David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>
> *Cc: *Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> *Subject: *Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Apologies! We actually need three different buttons relating to
> self-sampling of Apache NetBeans: (1) profile the IDE, (2) stop profiling
> the IDE, and (3) pause profiling the IDE. Image 2 is only visible when the
> button containing image is clicked.
>
>
>
> Attached are the screenshots,
>
>
>
> Hope you can add another one, i.e., for stopping profiling?
>
>
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 12:01 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, I don't understand what this means: "Still would love to have
> a HighRes Image of the IDE to ensure that all the front facing icons fit
> together."
>
>
>
> What is this for exactly and how high res should this image be? You could
> open Apache NetBeans 11.0 and make it yourself to your requirements?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:37 AM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de> wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Feel free to download them straight from the link:
>
> 1. Click the view
> 2. Select/click the icon(s)
> 3. Download them as SVG
>
>
>
> Still would love to have a HighRes Image of the IDE to ensure that all the
> front facing icons fit together 😊
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> *Sent: *Montag, 24. Juni 2019 09:18
> *To: *dev@netbeans.apache.org; Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>; David
> Schulz <he...@raiken.de>
> *Subject: *AW: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Great David, as usual 😉. Please create svg’s for those 2 icons.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von: *Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>
> *Gesendet: *Montag, 24. Juni 2019 05:51
> *An: *Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>; dev
> <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> *Cc: *Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> *Betreff: *RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Agreed, the first two work great as replacements!
>
> -- Eirik
>
>
>
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
>
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:54 PM
>
> To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
>
> Cc: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; Christian Lenz <
> christian.lenz@gmx.net>
>
> Subject: Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Excellent. The point of the actions is that they allow for NetBeans itself
> to be profiled, so the icon needs to be the NetBeans icon, so the first of
> the options you've provided looks great and matches what's needed, would be
> great to have those! Maybe even in 11.1 as a cherry pick.
>
>
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Schulz <hello@raiken.de<mailto:
> hello@raiken.de>> wrote:
>
> Mhhhhh, hard question. The old ones look quite characteristic and artistic
> but probably either way too much for an IDE which should focus on the
> content/code itself. I would go for a more minimal version. Maybe we can
> try to modernize some of them a bit.
>
>
>
> Can someone send me a high-quality image of the IDE without skin and with
> dark skin? I could play with some styles which could fit, based on the
> original ones 😉
>
>
>
> Here is my first try:
>
> https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
>
> Feel free to feedback!
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> uxactly GmbH | raiken.de<http://raiken.de>
>
> system design thinking
>
>
>
> Kurfürstendamm 28
>
> 10719 Berlin
>
>
>
> Tel: 0174 933 85 36
>
> Mail: david@uxact.ly<ma...@uxact.ly>
>
> Skype: raiken@live.de<ma...@live.de>
>
>
>
> LinkedIn | Xing
>
>
>
> From: Eirik Bakke
>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 23:50
>
> To: David Schulz; Christian Lenz
>
> Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>
>
> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
>
>
>
> I listed the various possible approaches at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements
> . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few
> NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font
> library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only,
> sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution,
> and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones.
> There's also the license issues.
>
>
>
> The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were drawn
> by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all the
> work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects etc.
> Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as the
> old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows,
> bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case.
> This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old
> ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
>
>
>
> Some examples are shown at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
>
>
>
> -- Eirik
>
>
>
> From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
>
> To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>>;
> dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; Christian Lenz <
> christian.lenz@gmx.net<ma...@gmx.net>>
>
> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or
> Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache
> license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> From: Eirik Bakke
>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
>
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; David
> Schulz; Christian Lenz
>
> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do
> this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617
> ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
>
>
>
> See
> https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html
> for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG
> versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills,
> though.
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
>
> To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>; Christian
> Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>; dev <
> dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>>
>
> Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Hi David and Chris,
>
>
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
>
>
>
> That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue
> NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some
> different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in
> functionality.
>
>
>
> Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
>
>
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>.
Sorry for waiting Geertjan!
https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
Here are the new files 😉
All the best,
Dave
--
uxactly GmbH | raiken.de
system design thinking
Kurfürstendamm 28
10719 Berlin
Tel: 0174 933 85 36
Mail: david@uxact.ly   Â
Skype:Â raiken@live.de
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From: Geertjan Wielenga
Sent: Donnerstag, 27. Juni 2019 12:12
To: dev; David Schulz
Cc: Christian Lenz
Subject: Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Apologies! We actually need three different buttons relating to self-sampling of Apache NetBeans: (1) profile the IDE, (2) stop profiling the IDE, and (3) pause profiling the IDE. Image 2 is only visible when the button containing image is clicked.
Attached are the screenshots,
Hope you can add another one, i.e., for stopping profiling?
Gj
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 12:01 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't understand what this means: "Still would love to have a HighRes Image of the IDE to ensure that all the front facing icons fit together."
What is this for exactly and how high res should this image be? You could open Apache NetBeans 11.0 and make it yourself to your requirements?
Thanks,
Gj
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:37 AM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de> wrote:
Thanks a lot!
Feel free to download them straight from the link:
1. Click the view
2. Select/click the icon(s)
3. Download them as SVG
Â
Still would love to have a HighRes Image of the IDE to ensure that all the front facing icons fit together 😊
Â
All the best,
Dave
Â
Â
From: Christian Lenz
Sent: Montag, 24. Juni 2019 09:18
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org; Geertjan Wielenga; David Schulz
Subject: AW: Profiler images in main toolbar
Â
Great David, as usual 😉. Please create svg’s for those 2 icons.
Â
Â
Cheers
Â
Chris
Â
Â
Von: Eirik Bakke
Gesendet: Montag, 24. Juni 2019 05:51
An: Geertjan Wielenga; dev
Cc: Christian Lenz
Betreff: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Â
Agreed, the first two work great as replacements!
-- Eirik
Â
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:54 PM
To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Cc: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Â
Excellent. The point of the actions is that they allow for NetBeans itself to be profiled, so the icon needs to be the NetBeans icon, so the first of the options you've provided looks great and matches what's needed, would be great to have those! Maybe even in 11.1 as a cherry pick.
Â
Gj
Â
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>> wrote:
Mhhhhh, hard question. The old ones look quite characteristic and artistic but probably either way too much for an IDE which should focus on the content/code itself. I would go for a more minimal version. Maybe we can try to modernize some of them a bit.
Â
Can someone send me a high-quality image of the IDE without skin and with dark skin? I could play with some styles which could fit, based on the original ones 😉
Â
Here is my first try:
https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
Feel free to feedback!
Â
All the best,
Dave
Â
--
Â
uxactly GmbH | raiken.de<http://raiken.de>
system design thinking
Â
Kurfürstendamm 28
10719 Berlin
Â
Tel: 0174 933 85 36
Mail: david@uxact.ly<ma...@uxact.ly>
Skype: raiken@live.de<ma...@live.de>
Â
LinkedIn | Xing
Â
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 23:50
To: David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Â
See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
Â
I listed the various possible approaches at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only, sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution, and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones. There's also the license issues.
Â
The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were drawn by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all the work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects etc. Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as the old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows, bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case. This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
Â
Some examples are shown at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
Â
-- Eirik
Â
From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>>; dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Â
Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
Â
Best,
Dave
Â
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Â
If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
Â
See https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills, though.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>; dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>>
Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
Â
Hi David and Chris,
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https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
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That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Â
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Â
Gj
Â
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Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Apologies! We actually need three different buttons relating to
self-sampling of Apache NetBeans: (1) profile the IDE, (2) stop profiling
the IDE, and (3) pause profiling the IDE. Image 2 is only visible when the
button containing image is clicked.
Attached are the screenshots,
Hope you can add another one, i.e., for stopping profiling?
Gj
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 12:01 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
wrote:
> I'm sorry, I don't understand what this means: "Still would love to have
> a HighRes Image of the IDE to ensure that all the front facing icons fit
> together."
>
> What is this for exactly and how high res should this image be? You could
> open Apache NetBeans 11.0 and make it yourself to your requirements?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:37 AM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de> wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> Feel free to download them straight from the link:
>>
>> 1. Click the view
>> 2. Select/click the icon(s)
>> 3. Download them as SVG
>>
>>
>>
>> Still would love to have a HighRes Image of the IDE to ensure that all
>> the front facing icons fit together 😊
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
>> *Sent: *Montag, 24. Juni 2019 09:18
>> *To: *dev@netbeans.apache.org; Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>; David
>> Schulz <he...@raiken.de>
>> *Subject: *AW: Profiler images in main toolbar
>>
>>
>>
>> Great David, as usual 😉. Please create svg’s for those 2 icons.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von: *Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>
>> *Gesendet: *Montag, 24. Juni 2019 05:51
>> *An: *Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>; dev
>> <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
>> *Cc: *Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
>> *Betreff: *RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>>
>>
>>
>> Agreed, the first two work great as replacements!
>>
>> -- Eirik
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:54 PM
>>
>> To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
>>
>> Cc: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; Christian Lenz <
>> christian.lenz@gmx.net>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
>>
>>
>>
>> Excellent. The point of the actions is that they allow for NetBeans
>> itself to be profiled, so the icon needs to be the NetBeans icon, so the
>> first of the options you've provided looks great and matches what's needed,
>> would be great to have those! Maybe even in 11.1 as a cherry pick.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Schulz <hello@raiken.de<mailto:
>> hello@raiken.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Mhhhhh, hard question. The old ones look quite characteristic and
>> artistic but probably either way too much for an IDE which should focus on
>> the content/code itself. I would go for a more minimal version. Maybe we
>> can try to modernize some of them a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone send me a high-quality image of the IDE without skin and with
>> dark skin? I could play with some styles which could fit, based on the
>> original ones 😉
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is my first try:
>>
>> https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
>>
>> Feel free to feedback!
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> uxactly GmbH | raiken.de<http://raiken.de>
>>
>> system design thinking
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurfürstendamm 28
>>
>> 10719 Berlin
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: 0174 933 85 36
>>
>> Mail: david@uxact.ly<ma...@uxact.ly>
>>
>> Skype: raiken@live.de<ma...@live.de>
>>
>>
>>
>> LinkedIn | Xing
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Eirik Bakke
>>
>> Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 23:50
>>
>> To: David Schulz; Christian Lenz
>>
>> Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>
>>
>> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>>
>>
>>
>> See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
>>
>>
>>
>> I listed the various possible approaches at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements
>> . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few
>> NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font
>> library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only,
>> sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution,
>> and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones.
>> There's also the license issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were
>> drawn by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all
>> the work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects
>> etc. Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as
>> the old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows,
>> bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case.
>> This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old
>> ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some examples are shown at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Eirik
>>
>>
>>
>> From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
>>
>> To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>>;
>> dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; Christian Lenz <
>> christian.lenz@gmx.net<ma...@gmx.net>>
>>
>> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>>
>>
>>
>> Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or
>> Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache
>> license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Eirik Bakke
>>
>> Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
>>
>> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; David
>> Schulz; Christian Lenz
>>
>> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>>
>>
>>
>> If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do
>> this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617
>> ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
>>
>>
>>
>> See
>> https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html
>> for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG
>> versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills,
>> though.
>>
>> -- Eirik
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>>
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
>>
>> To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>; Christian
>> Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>; dev <
>> dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>>
>>
>> Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi David and Chris,
>>
>>
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
>>
>>
>>
>> That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue
>> NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some
>> different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in
>> functionality.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
>>
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>>
>>
Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
I'm sorry, I don't understand what this means: "Still would love to have a
HighRes Image of the IDE to ensure that all the front facing icons fit
together."
What is this for exactly and how high res should this image be? You could
open Apache NetBeans 11.0 and make it yourself to your requirements?
Thanks,
Gj
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:37 AM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de> wrote:
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Feel free to download them straight from the link:
>
> 1. Click the view
> 2. Select/click the icon(s)
> 3. Download them as SVG
>
>
>
> Still would love to have a HighRes Image of the IDE to ensure that all the
> front facing icons fit together 😊
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> *Sent: *Montag, 24. Juni 2019 09:18
> *To: *dev@netbeans.apache.org; Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>; David
> Schulz <he...@raiken.de>
> *Subject: *AW: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Great David, as usual 😉. Please create svg’s for those 2 icons.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von: *Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>
> *Gesendet: *Montag, 24. Juni 2019 05:51
> *An: *Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>; dev
> <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> *Cc: *Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> *Betreff: *RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Agreed, the first two work great as replacements!
>
> -- Eirik
>
>
>
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
>
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:54 PM
>
> To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
>
> Cc: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; Christian Lenz <
> christian.lenz@gmx.net>
>
> Subject: Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Excellent. The point of the actions is that they allow for NetBeans itself
> to be profiled, so the icon needs to be the NetBeans icon, so the first of
> the options you've provided looks great and matches what's needed, would be
> great to have those! Maybe even in 11.1 as a cherry pick.
>
>
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Schulz <hello@raiken.de<mailto:
> hello@raiken.de>> wrote:
>
> Mhhhhh, hard question. The old ones look quite characteristic and artistic
> but probably either way too much for an IDE which should focus on the
> content/code itself. I would go for a more minimal version. Maybe we can
> try to modernize some of them a bit.
>
>
>
> Can someone send me a high-quality image of the IDE without skin and with
> dark skin? I could play with some styles which could fit, based on the
> original ones 😉
>
>
>
> Here is my first try:
>
> https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
>
> Feel free to feedback!
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> uxactly GmbH | raiken.de<http://raiken.de>
>
> system design thinking
>
>
>
> Kurfürstendamm 28
>
> 10719 Berlin
>
>
>
> Tel: 0174 933 85 36
>
> Mail: david@uxact.ly<ma...@uxact.ly>
>
> Skype: raiken@live.de<ma...@live.de>
>
>
>
> LinkedIn | Xing
>
>
>
> From: Eirik Bakke
>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 23:50
>
> To: David Schulz; Christian Lenz
>
> Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>
>
> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
>
>
>
> I listed the various possible approaches at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements
> . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few
> NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font
> library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only,
> sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution,
> and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones.
> There's also the license issues.
>
>
>
> The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were drawn
> by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all the
> work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects etc.
> Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as the
> old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows,
> bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case.
> This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old
> ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
>
>
>
> Some examples are shown at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
>
>
>
> -- Eirik
>
>
>
> From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
>
> To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>>;
> dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; Christian Lenz <
> christian.lenz@gmx.net<ma...@gmx.net>>
>
> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or
> Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache
> license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> From: Eirik Bakke
>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
>
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; David
> Schulz; Christian Lenz
>
> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do
> this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617
> ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
>
>
>
> See
> https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html
> for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG
> versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills,
> though.
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
>
> To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>; Christian
> Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>; dev <
> dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>>
>
> Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
>
>
> Hi David and Chris,
>
>
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
>
>
>
> That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue
> NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some
> different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in
> functionality.
>
>
>
> Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
>
>
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
>
> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>
>
RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>.
Thanks a lot!
Feel free to download them straight from the link:
1. Click the view
2. Select/click the icon(s)
3. Download them as SVG
Still would love to have a HighRes Image of the IDE to ensure that all the front facing icons fit together 😊
All the best,
Dave
From: Christian Lenz
Sent: Montag, 24. Juni 2019 09:18
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org; Geertjan Wielenga; David Schulz
Subject: AW: Profiler images in main toolbar
Great David, as usual 😉. Please create svg’s for those 2 icons.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Eirik Bakke
Gesendet: Montag, 24. Juni 2019 05:51
An: Geertjan Wielenga; dev
Cc: Christian Lenz
Betreff: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Agreed, the first two work great as replacements!
-- Eirik
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:54 PM
To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Cc: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Excellent. The point of the actions is that they allow for NetBeans itself to be profiled, so the icon needs to be the NetBeans icon, so the first of the options you've provided looks great and matches what's needed, would be great to have those! Maybe even in 11.1 as a cherry pick.
Gj
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>> wrote:
Mhhhhh, hard question. The old ones look quite characteristic and artistic but probably either way too much for an IDE which should focus on the content/code itself. I would go for a more minimal version. Maybe we can try to modernize some of them a bit.
Can someone send me a high-quality image of the IDE without skin and with dark skin? I could play with some styles which could fit, based on the original ones 😉
Here is my first try:
https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
Feel free to feedback!
All the best,
Dave
--
uxactly GmbH | raiken.de<http://raiken.de>
system design thinking
Kurfürstendamm 28
10719 Berlin
Tel: 0174 933 85 36
Mail: david@uxact.ly<ma...@uxact.ly>
Skype: raiken@live.de<ma...@live.de>
LinkedIn | Xing
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 23:50
To: David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
I listed the various possible approaches at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only, sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution, and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones. There's also the license issues.
The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were drawn by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all the work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects etc. Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as the old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows, bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case. This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
Some examples are shown at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
-- Eirik
From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>>; dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
Best,
Dave
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
See https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills, though.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>; dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>>
Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
Hi David and Chris,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Gj
AW: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Great David, as usual 😉. Please create svg’s for those 2 icons.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Eirik Bakke
Gesendet: Montag, 24. Juni 2019 05:51
An: Geertjan Wielenga; dev
Cc: Christian Lenz
Betreff: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Agreed, the first two work great as replacements!
-- Eirik
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:54 PM
To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Cc: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Excellent. The point of the actions is that they allow for NetBeans itself to be profiled, so the icon needs to be the NetBeans icon, so the first of the options you've provided looks great and matches what's needed, would be great to have those! Maybe even in 11.1 as a cherry pick.
Gj
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>> wrote:
Mhhhhh, hard question. The old ones look quite characteristic and artistic but probably either way too much for an IDE which should focus on the content/code itself. I would go for a more minimal version. Maybe we can try to modernize some of them a bit.
Can someone send me a high-quality image of the IDE without skin and with dark skin? I could play with some styles which could fit, based on the original ones 😉
Here is my first try:
https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
Feel free to feedback!
All the best,
Dave
--
uxactly GmbH | raiken.de<http://raiken.de>
system design thinking
Kurfürstendamm 28
10719 Berlin
Tel: 0174 933 85 36
Mail: david@uxact.ly<ma...@uxact.ly>
Skype: raiken@live.de<ma...@live.de>
LinkedIn | Xing
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 23:50
To: David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
I listed the various possible approaches at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only, sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution, and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones. There's also the license issues.
The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were drawn by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all the work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects etc. Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as the old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows, bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case. This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
Some examples are shown at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
-- Eirik
From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>>; dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
Best,
Dave
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
See https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills, though.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>; dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>>
Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
Hi David and Chris,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Gj
RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
Agreed, the first two work great as replacements!
-- Eirik
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:54 PM
To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Cc: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Excellent. The point of the actions is that they allow for NetBeans itself to be profiled, so the icon needs to be the NetBeans icon, so the first of the options you've provided looks great and matches what's needed, would be great to have those! Maybe even in 11.1 as a cherry pick.
Gj
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>> wrote:
Mhhhhh, hard question. The old ones look quite characteristic and artistic but probably either way too much for an IDE which should focus on the content/code itself. I would go for a more minimal version. Maybe we can try to modernize some of them a bit.
Can someone send me a high-quality image of the IDE without skin and with dark skin? I could play with some styles which could fit, based on the original ones 😉
Here is my first try:
https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
Feel free to feedback!
All the best,
Dave
--
uxactly GmbH | raiken.de<http://raiken.de>
system design thinking
Kurfürstendamm 28
10719 Berlin
Tel: 0174 933 85 36
Mail: david@uxact.ly<ma...@uxact.ly>
Skype: raiken@live.de<ma...@live.de>
LinkedIn | Xing
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 23:50
To: David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
I listed the various possible approaches at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only, sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution, and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones. There's also the license issues.
The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were drawn by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all the work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects etc. Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as the old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows, bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case. This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
Some examples are shown at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
-- Eirik
From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>>; dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
Best,
Dave
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
See https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills, though.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>>; dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>>
Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
Hi David and Chris,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Gj
Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Excellent. The point of the actions is that they allow for NetBeans itself
to be profiled, so the icon needs to be the NetBeans icon, so the first of
the options you've provided looks great and matches what's needed, would be
great to have those! Maybe even in 11.1 as a cherry pick.
Gj
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Schulz <he...@raiken.de> wrote:
> Mhhhhh, hard question. The old ones look quite characteristic and artistic
> but probably either way too much for an IDE which should focus on the
> content/code itself. I would go for a more minimal version. Maybe we can
> try to modernize some of them a bit.
>
> Can someone send me a high-quality image of the IDE without skin and with
> dark skin? I could play with some styles which could fit, based on the
> original ones 😉
>
> Here is my first try:
> https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
> Feel free to feedback!
>
> All the best,
> Dave
>
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> From: Eirik Bakke
> Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 23:50
> To: David Schulz; Christian Lenz
> Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
> See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
>
> I listed the various possible approaches at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements
> . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few
> NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font
> library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only,
> sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution,
> and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones.
> There's also the license issues.
>
> The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were drawn
> by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all the
> work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects etc.
> Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as the
> old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows,
> bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case.
> This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old
> ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
>
> Some examples are shown at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
>
> -- Eirik
>
> From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
> To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; dev@netbeans.apache.org; Christian
> Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
> Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or
> Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache
> license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
>
> Best,
> Dave
>
> From: Eirik Bakke
> Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org; David Schulz; Christian Lenz
> Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
> If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do
> this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617
> ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
>
> See
> https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html
> for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG
> versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills,
> though.
> -- Eirik
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
> To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>;
> dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
>
> Hi David and Chris,
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
>
> That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue
> NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some
> different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in
> functionality.
>
> Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>.
Mhhhhh, hard question. The old ones look quite characteristic and artistic but probably either way too much for an IDE which should focus on the content/code itself. I would go for a more minimal version. Maybe we can try to modernize some of them a bit.
Can someone send me a high-quality image of the IDE without skin and with dark skin? I could play with some styles which could fit, based on the original ones 😉
Here is my first try:
https://xd.adobe.com/spec/ab085381-8d07-4868-43f7-bc350fac0e58-dd39/
Feel free to feedback!
All the best,
Dave
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system design thinking
Kurfürstendamm 28
10719 Berlin
Tel: 0174 933 85 36
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From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 23:50
To: David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
I listed the various possible approaches at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only, sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution, and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones. There's also the license issues.
The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were drawn by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all the work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects etc. Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as the old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows, bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case. This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
Some examples are shown at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
-- Eirik
From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; dev@netbeans.apache.org; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
Best,
Dave
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org; David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
See https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills, though.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>; dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
Hi David and Chris,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Gj
RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
See the previous thread, "NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?"
I listed the various possible approaches at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements . Downsides to using an existing icon library include: (1) quite a few NetBeans icons will have no suitable replacement in an existing font library, (2) icon font libraries yield monochromatic icons only, sacrificing the color of the old icons for an improvement in resolution, and (3) the style of new icons would appear mismatched next to old ones. There's also the license issues.
The existing NetBeans icons are really quite good--most of them were drawn by a single professional designer (Leos Tronicek), who once did all the work to set a color theme, make a visual language for various objects etc. Thus I have proposed keeping new icons in the same style and shapes as the old ones, only making them more modern by omitting unnecessary shadows, bevels, and gradients. That makes them easier to vectorize in any case. This approach also makes new icons look reasonably consistent next to old ones that haven't been vectorized yet.
Some examples are shown at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/110692909/vectorized.png
-- Eirik
From: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:56 PM
To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; dev@netbeans.apache.org; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
Best,
Dave
From: Eirik Bakke<ma...@ultorg.com>
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org<ma...@netbeans.apache.org>; David Schulz<ma...@raiken.de>; Christian Lenz<ma...@gmx.net>
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
See https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills, though.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>; dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
Hi David and Chris,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Gj
Re: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 19.06.2019, 19:56 +0200 schrieb David Schulz:
> Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline
> or Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the
> apache license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
I think this is answered in the legal FAQ:
https://apache.org/legal/resolved.html#handling-public-domain-licensed-works
We should stay inside category A licenses. Everything else will lead to
discussions and might pose problems. The less license text/copyright/required
notice is present the better. We have to mark all files, that are not plain
ALv2/not licensed to the ASF, this might prove to be painful and should be
avoided if possible.
Maybe there are good base icons in the same spirit as the Tango Desktop
Project, which distributed the icons in the public domain. We went that
way to replace the npm icon, where the origin project was not willing to
release the graphics under an open enough license.
HTH
Matthias
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RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>.
Makes sense, we could also check some Icon libraries like Streamline or Icon8 to use them as a base for our icon rework. Not sure how the apache license works with icon libraries like that, any opinions?
Best,
Dave
From: Eirik Bakke
Sent: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 17:12
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org; David Schulz; Christian Lenz
Subject: RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
See https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills, though.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>; dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
Hi David and Chris,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Gj
RE: Profiler images in main toolbar
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
If it's not urgent for legal/trademark reasons, it would be natural to do this as part of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 ("Redraw common icons in SVG"). Added a comment about this.
See https://people.csail.mit.edu/ebakke/misc/netbeans-icons/prioritized.html for a list of other icons that we should eventually try to redraw in SVG versions. This task does require a fair bit of graphic design skills, though.
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:54 AM
To: David Schulz <he...@raiken.de>; Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>; dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Profiler images in main toolbar
Hi David and Chris,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2727
That would be a great item to have resolved, i.e., remove the blue NetBeans icon and use the new one instead, together with similar or some different overlay on top to indicate the difference between them in functionality.
Hope this is doable and it makes sense.
Gj