AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com>]

Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?

I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.

--Jean

Re: AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, in fact "Friends of" made the offer to AOO long ago.
>>
>> My idea is to have both the opportunity for anyone to purchase TShirts
>> etc, and a fund to supply same for use at booths. Books, too, of course.
>>
>> Mainly what is needed is permission to use the AOO logo (and perhaps
>> variations such as "I [heart] [AOO logo]) and someone to do the work... Set
>> up a store, create products, etc.
>>
>>
> We can move in this direction from within this PMC, with consultation from
> @trademarks. I'll be happy to help with that. Can you point me to the
> original offer thread you're referring to?

The first offer was made last August:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201108.mbox/%3C1313282659.3558.92.camel@jean-laptop15%3E

More recently (February), here are 2 notes I sent to the list.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCALaBZo7rXJWREj-fNp7htnmHxLmRzK2ptRkcN+PhhKK1q9Au+A@mail.gmail.com%3E

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201202.mbox/%3CB3AC8694-0DA7-41C0-AF9A-2F94CFBD38C2@gmail.com%3E

--Jean

>>
>> On 01/05/2012, at 11:39, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Jean,
>> >
>> > Are there any funds available from Friends of OpenDocument similar to
>> those
>> > being allocated to LibreOffice? If so, we can mobilize around something
>> > like what you're proposing. The fund would have to be held outside of the
>> > project, but could be allocated for supporting this type of concept.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
>> >> this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?
>> >>
>> >> I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
>> >> go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
>> >> trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
>> >> and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
>> >> be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
>> >> well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.
>> >>
>> >> --Jean
>> >>
>>

Re: AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com>]

On 02/05/2012, at 1:32, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, in fact "Friends of" made the offer to AOO long ago.
>> 
>> My idea is to have both the opportunity for anyone to purchase TShirts
>> etc, and a fund to supply same for use at booths. Books, too, of course.
>> 
>> Mainly what is needed is permission to use the AOO logo (and perhaps
>> variations such as "I [heart] [AOO logo]) and someone to do the work... Set
>> up a store, create products, etc.
>> 
>> 
> We can move in this direction from within this PMC, with consultation from
> @trademarks. I'll be happy to help with that. Can you point me to the
> original offer thread you're referring to?
> 

It may be awhile before I have the time to attempt to find that thread, or even my own note on the topic in my sent mail, but I'll look when I can.

Jean


> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
>> Jean
>> 
>> On 01/05/2012, at 11:39, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Jean,
>>> 
>>> Are there any funds available from Friends of OpenDocument similar to
>> those
>>> being allocated to LibreOffice? If so, we can mobilize around something
>>> like what you're proposing. The fund would have to be held outside of the
>>> project, but could be allocated for supporting this type of concept.
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
>>>> this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
>>>> go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
>>>> trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
>>>> and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
>>>> be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
>>>> well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.
>>>> 
>>>> --Jean
>>>> 
>> 

Re: AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com>]

Ross, thank you for that pointer! --Jean

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> There is precedence here - http://www.apache.org/foundation/buy_stuff.html
>
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On May 1, 2012 6:42 PM, "Jürgen Schmidt" <jo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/1/12 5:32 PM, Donald Harbison wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Jean Weber<je...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yes, in fact "Friends of" made the offer to AOO long ago.
>>>>
>>>> My idea is to have both the opportunity for anyone to purchase TShirts
>>>> etc, and a fund to supply same for use at booths. Books, too, of course.
>>>>
>>>> Mainly what is needed is permission to use the AOO logo (and perhaps
>>>> variations such as "I [heart] [AOO logo]) and someone to do the work...
>>>> Set
>>>> up a store, create products, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  We can move in this direction from within this PMC, with consultation
>>> from
>>> @trademarks. I'll be happy to help with that. Can you point me to the
>>> original offer thread you're referring to?
>>>
>>
>> I looked for an online job to offer some OOo stuff like that on demand. I
>> have to figure it our again. The idea is to provide the designs and define
>> which kind of products should be sold (t-shirts, sweatshirts, mugs, bags,
>> etc.)
>>
>> The hoster/maintainer of the job will get XY% from the money and the rest
>> can be transferred to Apache. That should be a model where we don't have to
>> produce something on hold but can do it on demand. Maybe a little bit more
>> expensive but we would have less effort.
>>
>> But it is always good to have some material in place for conferences etc.
>>
>> I have produced t-shirts several times for the FOSDEM when I have
>> organized the OOo presence there... I hope I can do it next year for AOO
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Jean
>>>>
>>>> On 01/05/2012, at 11:39, Donald Harbison<dp...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Jean,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any funds available from Friends of OpenDocument similar to
>>>>>
>>>> those
>>>>
>>>>> being allocated to LibreOffice? If so, we can mobilize around something
>>>>> like what you're proposing. The fund would have to be held outside of
>>>>> the
>>>>> project, but could be allocated for supporting this type of concept.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jean Weber<je...@gmail.com>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
>>>>>> this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
>>>>>> go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
>>>>>> trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
>>>>>> and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
>>>>>> be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
>>>>>> well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Jean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>]

There is precedence here - http://www.apache.org/foundation/buy_stuff.html

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On May 1, 2012 6:42 PM, "Jürgen Schmidt" <jo...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 5/1/12 5:32 PM, Donald Harbison wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Jean Weber<je...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  Yes, in fact "Friends of" made the offer to AOO long ago.
>>>
>>> My idea is to have both the opportunity for anyone to purchase TShirts
>>> etc, and a fund to supply same for use at booths. Books, too, of course.
>>>
>>> Mainly what is needed is permission to use the AOO logo (and perhaps
>>> variations such as "I [heart] [AOO logo]) and someone to do the work...
>>> Set
>>> up a store, create products, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>  We can move in this direction from within this PMC, with consultation
>> from
>> @trademarks. I'll be happy to help with that. Can you point me to the
>> original offer thread you're referring to?
>>
>
> I looked for an online job to offer some OOo stuff like that on demand. I
> have to figure it our again. The idea is to provide the designs and define
> which kind of products should be sold (t-shirts, sweatshirts, mugs, bags,
> etc.)
>
> The hoster/maintainer of the job will get XY% from the money and the rest
> can be transferred to Apache. That should be a model where we don't have to
> produce something on hold but can do it on demand. Maybe a little bit more
> expensive but we would have less effort.
>
> But it is always good to have some material in place for conferences etc.
>
> I have produced t-shirts several times for the FOSDEM when I have
> organized the OOo presence there... I hope I can do it next year for AOO
>
> Juergen
>
>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Jean
>>>
>>> On 01/05/2012, at 11:39, Donald Harbison<dp...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Jean,
>>>>
>>>> Are there any funds available from Friends of OpenDocument similar to
>>>>
>>> those
>>>
>>>> being allocated to LibreOffice? If so, we can mobilize around something
>>>> like what you're proposing. The fund would have to be held outside of
>>>> the
>>>> project, but could be allocated for supporting this type of concept.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jean Weber<je...@gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
>>>>> this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
>>>>> go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
>>>>> trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
>>>>> and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
>>>>> be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
>>>>> well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Jean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>]

On 5/1/12 5:32 PM, Donald Harbison wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Jean Weber<je...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Yes, in fact "Friends of" made the offer to AOO long ago.
>>
>> My idea is to have both the opportunity for anyone to purchase TShirts
>> etc, and a fund to supply same for use at booths. Books, too, of course.
>>
>> Mainly what is needed is permission to use the AOO logo (and perhaps
>> variations such as "I [heart] [AOO logo]) and someone to do the work... Set
>> up a store, create products, etc.
>>
>>
> We can move in this direction from within this PMC, with consultation from
> @trademarks. I'll be happy to help with that. Can you point me to the
> original offer thread you're referring to?

I looked for an online job to offer some OOo stuff like that on demand. 
I have to figure it our again. The idea is to provide the designs and 
define which kind of products should be sold (t-shirts, sweatshirts, 
mugs, bags, etc.)

The hoster/maintainer of the job will get XY% from the money and the 
rest can be transferred to Apache. That should be a model where we don't 
have to produce something on hold but can do it on demand. Maybe a 
little bit more expensive but we would have less effort.

But it is always good to have some material in place for conferences etc.

I have produced t-shirts several times for the FOSDEM when I have 
organized the OOo presence there... I hope I can do it next year for AOO

Juergen

>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>> Jean
>>
>> On 01/05/2012, at 11:39, Donald Harbison<dp...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Jean,
>>>
>>> Are there any funds available from Friends of OpenDocument similar to
>> those
>>> being allocated to LibreOffice? If so, we can mobilize around something
>>> like what you're proposing. The fund would have to be held outside of the
>>> project, but could be allocated for supporting this type of concept.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jean Weber<je...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
>>>> this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
>>>> go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
>>>> trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
>>>> and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
>>>> be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
>>>> well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.
>>>>
>>>> --Jean
>>>>
>>
>

Re: AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, in fact "Friends of" made the offer to AOO long ago.
>
> My idea is to have both the opportunity for anyone to purchase TShirts
> etc, and a fund to supply same for use at booths. Books, too, of course.
>
> Mainly what is needed is permission to use the AOO logo (and perhaps
> variations such as "I [heart] [AOO logo]) and someone to do the work... Set
> up a store, create products, etc.
>
>
We can move in this direction from within this PMC, with consultation from
@trademarks. I'll be happy to help with that. Can you point me to the
original offer thread you're referring to?

Thank you.



> Jean
>
> On 01/05/2012, at 11:39, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jean,
> >
> > Are there any funds available from Friends of OpenDocument similar to
> those
> > being allocated to LibreOffice? If so, we can mobilize around something
> > like what you're proposing. The fund would have to be held outside of the
> > project, but could be allocated for supporting this type of concept.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
> >> this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?
> >>
> >> I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
> >> go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
> >> trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
> >> and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
> >> be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
> >> well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.
> >>
> >> --Jean
> >>
>

Re: AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com>]

Yes, in fact "Friends of" made the offer to AOO long ago. 

My idea is to have both the opportunity for anyone to purchase TShirts etc, and a fund to supply same for use at booths. Books, too, of course.

Mainly what is needed is permission to use the AOO logo (and perhaps variations such as "I [heart] [AOO logo]) and someone to do the work... Set up a store, create products, etc. 

Jean

On 01/05/2012, at 11:39, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jean,
> 
> Are there any funds available from Friends of OpenDocument similar to those
> being allocated to LibreOffice? If so, we can mobilize around something
> like what you're proposing. The fund would have to be held outside of the
> project, but could be allocated for supporting this type of concept.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
>> this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?
>> 
>> I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
>> go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
>> trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
>> and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
>> be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
>> well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.
>> 
>> --Jean
>> 

Re: AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>]

Jean,

Are there any funds available from Friends of OpenDocument similar to those
being allocated to LibreOffice? If so, we can mobilize around something
like what you're proposing. The fund would have to be held outside of the
project, but could be allocated for supporting this type of concept.

What do you think?

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
> this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?
>
> I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
> go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
> trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
> and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
> be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
> well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.
>
> --Jean
>

Re: AOO t-shirts, other swag?

[Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>]

This can be a tricky area to comment on, because it all depends on the 
details - and especially the groups or individuals who are actually 
putting Apache logos on their products (tshirts, buttons, whatever). 
I'm presuming in this case that we have some folks who want to work on 
this that we already know and trust, and that are happy to work with the 
PPMC to get approvals for the plan(s).

- The first step is to get PPMC approval.  Fundamentally it's the PPMC 
that should set the tone for such efforts, and should be happy with 
what's being sold and where the profit is going.  This is much easier to 
manage when the people doing the production or selling are already 
working in, and well known by the community (like Jean and Juergen are 
in this thread; these ideas sound great to me).

- Logos should be official ones from the project (someday, variations 
both for print styles, as well as "powered by" or "I heart" would be 
great), or should be approved for use otherwise.

- Items should be at cost, or else a portion of profits need to be 
pledged to the ASF.  The existing vendors on our buy_stuff.html page 
each have agreed to send part or all of the profits to the ASF.  I 
believe some have simply set their CafePress accounts to simply send the 
quarterly checks to the ASF, making it easy.  (Although I love the idea 
of working with another vendor for better prices; preprinting in bulk is 
far cheaper if someone can volunteer to manage the stock)

Note that Apache in general does not fund these activities.  Pending 
approval, we're happy in general to have community members do this kind 
of thing.  In some cases (like Friends of... and I think potentially 
other OOo-related groups where we know the people), it's also allowable 
for outside people to organize this kind of thing.

- Shane


On 2012-04-30 4:57 PM, Jean Weber wrote:
> Do we have plans for AOO promotional t-shirts and other swag? Would
> this need to go through an Apache store or can AOO do it?
>
> I'm not looking at this as a way to raise money (which would need to
> go to Apache, not AOO, anyway), but rather for promotion. People at
> trade shows, developers' conferences, etc can wear tshirts; buttons
> and other low-cost items could be given away at booths; tshirts could
> be given away as prizes; people can have mugs and mousepads at work...
> well, you know the drill. Could be sold on eg CafePress at cost.
>
> --Jean