[Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

["Hamilton Verissimo de Oliveira (Engenharia - SPO)" <ha...@agenciaclick.com.br>]

There are a few people across the seas using it. I think making it public
could help people to embrace it and the evolution comes without much effort.

What do you guys think?


regards,
hammett

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Re: [Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

[Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>]

Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 November 2003 20:26, hammett wrote:
> 
>>>Looking at your docs, I am a bit nervous about the Top graphic, the water
>>>and globe. I have used that graphic in my previous company, and it was 
>>>paid for.
>>>I strongly doubt you are allowed to use it. Please correct me if I am
>>>wrong.
> 
>>What are you talking about? I made that image using bryce 5. So sue me! :-)
> 
> I have been searching my archives, but it looks like I never kept a copy, but 
> I could swear it is the same image... Ok... I stand corrected.

It is real weird...I thought the exact same thing. Hammett and some 
other person must've shared some creative spark :D

- LSD



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Re: [Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

[Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>]

On Wednesday 26 November 2003 20:26, hammett wrote:
>> Looking at your docs, I am a bit nervous about the Top graphic, the water
>> and globe. I have used that graphic in my previous company, and it was 
>> paid for.
>> I strongly doubt you are allowed to use it. Please correct me if I am
>> wrong.

> What are you talking about? I made that image using bryce 5. So sue me! :-)

I have been searching my archives, but it looks like I never kept a copy, but 
I could swear it is the same image... Ok... I stand corrected.

Niclas

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Re: [Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

[hammett <ha...@uol.com.br>]

> Looking at your docs, I am a bit nervous about the Top graphic, the water
and
> globe. I have used that graphic in my previous company, and it was paid
for.
> I strongly doubt you are allowed to use it. Please correct me if I am
wrong.
> (It is a nice image though).

What are you talking about? I made that image using bryce 5. So sue me! :-)


--
hammett



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Re: [Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

[Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>]

On Wednesday 26 November 2003 12:00, hammett wrote:
> > So, I would like to suggest that we, the ignorant bunch, are introduced
> > to "the other people", who are using and working on Avalon#. _I_ only
> > know about Hammet....
>
> Dont got your point here. Was Merlin release after avalon-dev met some
> people that actually used it?

Actually yes, there where plenty of discussion outside Stephen's head....

Don't take this personally. As Leo said, we are an ignorant bunch who don't 
have all the time we want to look into stuff. Soooo, I just don't know enough 
of Avalon#. I don't even know of its use beyond yours, but would like to hear 
about it :O)

> C# is almost the same language as Java. Really. The CLI
> (API/Environment/Built-ins) is very different, but its not a terrible thing
> that should take a lifetime to learn. So, if validation of the code is
> necessary, please look at it and you should understand it. Berin worked
> (alone?) in some pieces of it, he can give a hand - I think.

It is not so much that I can't learn it, I am pretty sure I understand the 
code to 90%, since I do have C++ experience a decade or so ago.
The reason of "not in my lifetime", is more about the MS empire itself.
Just looking at EULA of products saying, you can't use this product to develop 
OSS, just says it all... (Haven't checked if you are allowed to use OSS in 
the products though.)

Looking at your docs, I am a bit nervous about the Top graphic, the water and 
globe. I have used that graphic in my previous company, and it was paid for. 
I strongly doubt you are allowed to use it. Please correct me if I am wrong.
(It is a nice image though).
Otherwise, there is a good beginning to the docs, not less than expected :o)



Cheers,
Niclas


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Re: [Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

[hammett <ha...@uol.com.br>]

> So, I would like to suggest that we, the ignorant bunch, are introduced to
> "the other people", who are using and working on Avalon#. _I_ only know
about
> Hammet....

Dont got your point here. Was Merlin release after avalon-dev met some
people that actually used it?

C# is almost the same language as Java. Really. The CLI
(API/Environment/Built-ins) is very different, but its not a terrible thing
that should take a lifetime to learn. So, if validation of the code is
necessary, please look at it and you should understand it. Berin worked
(alone?) in some pieces of it, he can give a hand - I think.




regards,
hammett


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Re: [Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

[Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>]

On Wednesday 26 November 2003 04:29, Hamilton Verissimo de Oliveira 
(Engenharia - SPO) wrote:
> There are a few people across the seas using it. I think making it public
> could help people to embrace it and the evolution comes without much
> effort.
>
> What do you guys think?

I agree with Leo.

We are now faced with framework not based on Java, but C# which many of us 
don't not s.....  sushi about, and like me won't do unless Java dies.

So, I would like to suggest that we, the ignorant bunch, are introduced to 
"the other people", who are using and working on Avalon#. _I_ only know about 
Hammet....

Cheers
Niclas

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Re: [Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

[Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>]

Leo Simons wrote:

> Hamilton Verissimo de Oliveira (Engenharia - SPO) wrote:
> 
>> There are a few people across the seas using it. I think making it public
>> could help people to embrace it and the evolution comes without much 
>> effort.
>>
>> What do you guys think?
> 
> 
> oh, blimey! I have no idea; I think you'll have to help the ignorant 
> bunch some of us are make up our minds.
> 
> - How stable is it?
> - How well-tested is it?
> - What about documentation?
> 
> We'll at least need a bit of docs up on the website first (to direct 
> people to who have questions). Other than that an alpha release* and 
> making some waves seems a good idea. Release early, release often!
> 
> - LSD
> 
> * everything's up for big change still, innit?

Sounds pretty good.  Oh, and we need a disclaimer that it has nothing to do
with Microsoft's GUI framework that stole our name.


-- 

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  deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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RE: [Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

["Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>]

Hamilton Verissimo de Oliveira (Engenharia - SPO) wrote:
> There are a few people across the seas using it. I think making it public
> could help people to embrace it and the evolution comes without much
effort.
>
> What do you guys think?

I think that the PMC had better get more familar with it.  That discussion
will undoubtedly take place rather ASAP.

	--- Noel

ref: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/avalon-sandbox/avalon-net/


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Re: [Avalon#] When shall we you release it?

[Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>]

Hamilton Verissimo de Oliveira (Engenharia - SPO) wrote:
> There are a few people across the seas using it. I think making it public
> could help people to embrace it and the evolution comes without much effort.
> 
> What do you guys think?

oh, blimey! I have no idea; I think you'll have to help the ignorant 
bunch some of us are make up our minds.

- How stable is it?
- How well-tested is it?
- What about documentation?

We'll at least need a bit of docs up on the website first (to direct 
people to who have questions). Other than that an alpha release* and 
making some waves seems a good idea. Release early, release often!

- LSD

* everything's up for big change still, innit?



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