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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net> on 2002/07/24 21:22:24 UTC
logo contest
Over beers last night, a few of us started lamenting (once again) at
Subversion's utter lack of a Cool Logo. In the past, we've had a few
serious and not-so-serious ideas presented:
http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/svn.html
I think it would be neat to have some kind of a logo contest.
1. Create a second repository on svn.collab.net, and make it world
readable and writable.
2. Require submitters to commit their submission to the repository.
This would be (in part) a sort of fun publicity stunt:
* it would force people to build and toy with an svn client
* it would showcase the fact that our repository is browseable
(so anyone can view the submissions with their browser)
3. Offer the winner eternal fame, and maybe a T-shirt. :-)
Debian seemed to have real success with their own logo contest, and I
figured we'd have just as much fun with it.
The only part of this idea we've not yet figured out is: "can we find
a process for choosing a winner, a process which is guaranteed to
terminate?"
I mean, one such process would be: "Brane chooses the winner." But's
that's not a system anyone would really want. :-)
The options we're kicking around:
A. have committers vote.
B. have (committers + anyone who has ever sent a patch) vote.
C. have the general public vote.
(C) is probably very satisifying for the world, but then we end up in
some kind of entangled mess of trying to count votes, prevent
ballot-box-stuffing, and so on. :-(
Another idea:
D. have the general public narrow down the choices to the top 3, and
then have committer-like folk choose one of them.
Anyway, just thought I throw this idea out there, see what people think. :-)
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Josef Wolf <jw...@raven.inka.de>.
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 04:50:53PM -0500, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
> Blair Zajac <bl...@orcaware.com> writes:
> > How about the top 10 instead of the top 3. My concern is that
> > a favorite logo for the developers may not make it into the top X,
> Mmm, good point. Or maybe we should just leave the "masses" out of
> this. ;-)
Why not giving 10 votes to members of the core-team, 5 votes for
active submitters and 1 vote to ordinary people? The nubers could be
variated like 3/2/1 or 100/10/1 or some such. I think you got the
idea?
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>.
Blair Zajac <bl...@orcaware.com> writes:
> > http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/svn.html
>
> Great stuff!
>
> I vote for 11 and then 10. What's with all the bananas?
It's an old inside joke. Ask holsta (Alex Holst <a...@area51.dk>).
> How about the top 10 instead of the top 3. My concern is that
> a favorite logo for the developers may not make it into the top X,
Mmm, good point. Or maybe we should just leave the "masses" out of
this. ;-)
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Blair Zajac <bl...@orcaware.com>.
Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
>
> Over beers last night, a few of us started lamenting (once again) at
> Subversion's utter lack of a Cool Logo. In the past, we've had a few
> serious and not-so-serious ideas presented:
>
> http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/svn.html
Great stuff!
I vote for 11 and then 10. What's with all the bananas?
>
> I think it would be neat to have some kind of a logo contest.
>
> 1. Create a second repository on svn.collab.net, and make it world
> readable and writable.
+1
>
> A. have committers vote.
> B. have (committers + anyone who has ever sent a patch) vote.
> C. have the general public vote.
>
> (C) is probably very satisifying for the world, but then we end up in
> some kind of entangled mess of trying to count votes, prevent
> ballot-box-stuffing, and so on. :-(
+1 for A & B. -1 for C.
>
> Another idea:
>
> D. have the general public narrow down the choices to the top 3, and
> then have committer-like folk choose one of them.
-0.
How about the top 10 instead of the top 3. My concern is that
a favorite logo for the developers may not make it into the top X,
and given that we did the work, how do we ensure that logos we like
are in the list? Increasing the number would help ensure that.
Best,
Blair
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Re: logo contest
Posted by "Glenn A. Thompson" <gt...@cdr.net>.
Hey:
Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
> Over beers last night, a few of us started lamenting (once again) at
> Subversion's utter lack of a Cool Logo. In the past, we've had a few
> serious and not-so-serious ideas presented:
>
> http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/svn.html
>
Sweet! I vote for #18 :-)
>
> I think it would be neat to have some kind of a logo contest.
>
> 1. Create a second repository on svn.collab.net, and make it world
> readable and writable.
This sounds fun.
>
>
> 2. Require submitters to commit their submission to the repository.
> This would be (in part) a sort of fun publicity stunt:
>
> * it would force people to build and toy with an svn client
>
> * it would showcase the fact that our repository is browseable
> (so anyone can view the submissions with their browser)
Oh yes!
>
>
> 3. Offer the winner eternal fame, and maybe a T-shirt. :-)
And posters for the top 10 :-)
gat
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Hamilton Link <he...@sandia.gov>.
Good idea. I would submit that B makes the most sense, because it's
restricted to people that care. If people who care and sent in patches
can't draw, they can find a friend to draw for them.
hamilton
Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
>
> Over beers last night, a few of us started lamenting (once again) at
> Subversion's utter lack of a Cool Logo.
...
>
> The options we're kicking around:
>
> A. have committers vote.
> B. have (committers + anyone who has ever sent a patch) vote.
...
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@newton.ch.collab.net>.
Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net> writes:
> > > (C) is probably very satisifying for the world, but then we end up in
> > > some kind of entangled mess of trying to count votes, prevent
> > > ballot-box-stuffing, and so on. :-(
I like (C).
On reflection, I think the likelihood of ballot box stuffing is pretty
slim -- an honor system will do fine here. The method of voting
should be to commit your vote to a file named "VOTES" in the same
repository. We can monitor the commit emails for safety.
Oh, and let's use approval voting. That is, you can vote (once) for
each logo you like. Thus, *not* voting for a particular logo is
equivalent to voting against it.
-Karl
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Roman Neuhauser <ne...@bellavista.cz>.
> To: Justin Erenkrantz <je...@apache.org>
> Cc: SVN Dev List <de...@subversion.tigris.org>
> From: Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>
> Date: 24 Jul 2002 17:20:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: logo contest
>
> Justin Erenkrantz <je...@apache.org> writes:
> > My vote is for #11 and I tend to agree with Greg regarding his
> > point in #13.
>
> Hold on, we're not voting on anything yet, folks. That web page is
> very old. Once we get the contest going, people can re-commit images
> from that page to the "official" repository as serious entries. I
> only posted the old URL for amusement...
the fact is, the #10 #11 look really very good. i think i'll vote for
them anyway. :)
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <je...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 05:20:21PM -0500, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
> Justin Erenkrantz <je...@apache.org> writes:
>
> > > (C) is probably very satisifying for the world, but then we end up in
> > > some kind of entangled mess of trying to count votes, prevent
> > > ballot-box-stuffing, and so on. :-(
> >
> > I like C because I think we'll have a consensus.
>
> Not afraid of the unwashed masses? :-)
Not at all. The source belongs to the community. We trust them
with the code. IMHO, we can trust them with the logo. If there
is a controversy, then option D (committers) can resolve it. But,
it's so unlikely that it'll be needed. -- justin
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>.
Justin Erenkrantz <je...@apache.org> writes:
> > (C) is probably very satisifying for the world, but then we end up in
> > some kind of entangled mess of trying to count votes, prevent
> > ballot-box-stuffing, and so on. :-(
>
> I like C because I think we'll have a consensus.
Not afraid of the unwashed masses? :-)
> My vote is for #11 and I tend to agree with Greg regarding his
> point in #13.
Hold on, we're not voting on anything yet, folks. That web page is
very old. Once we get the contest going, people can re-commit images
from that page to the "official" repository as serious entries. I
only posted the old URL for amusement...
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <je...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 04:22:24PM -0500, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
> I mean, one such process would be: "Brane chooses the winner." But's
> that's not a system anyone would really want. :-)
Brane would.
> The options we're kicking around:
>
> A. have committers vote.
> B. have (committers + anyone who has ever sent a patch) vote.
> C. have the general public vote.
>
> (C) is probably very satisifying for the world, but then we end up in
> some kind of entangled mess of trying to count votes, prevent
> ballot-box-stuffing, and so on. :-(
I like C because I think we'll have a consensus.
My vote is for #11 and I tend to agree with Greg regarding his
point in #13. -- justin
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Re: logo contest
Posted by Scott Lamb <sl...@slamb.org>.
Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
> The options we're kicking around:
>
> A. have committers vote.
> B. have (committers + anyone who has ever sent a patch) vote.
> C. have the general public vote.
[...]
> D. have the general public narrow down the choices to the top 3, and
> then have committer-like folk choose one of them.
If non-A, my vote is for 10. I like the 10/11/13 theme, but am concerned
11's extra text won't scale down well.
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