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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by "n. alex rupp" <ru...@umn.edu> on 2003/11/01 07:22:01 UTC
Fw: console-web
Ryan,
Let's please keep discussions about this on the list : )
I think your ideas below are overengineered, but you sound like you've given
it a lot of thought and perhaps the ideas have merit, but they'll best be
judged when they're backed up with some code. You might start a project at
sf.net and build this sucker from the ground up (doesn't seem that you'll
need to reuse any of the pieces we've got), and when you get it working, we
can take a look at it and either use it to replace what we've got, or merge
the two together, using the best parts of each. Get the web application
working, and we'll go from there.
I'm working on adding simple functionality like method invocation. Perhaps
we can join our stuff together somewhere down the line. You might also look
into other projects which are building generic libraries for working with
JMX. I think Simone Bordet knows of a good one (but I can't remember it for
the life of me)
Good luck and welcome : )
--
N. Alex Rupp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Sonnek" <ry...@hotmail.com>
To: <ru...@umn.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: console-web
> ok, here are my ideas. please let me know if they go against any design
you
> had in mind.
>
> 1. remove html from JSP custom tags.
> 2. use JSTL in jsp tags to output lists of JMX services
> 4. use xdoclet to generate web.xml and taglib.tld.
> 3. refactor majority of code into reusable JMX client for use with other
> "consoles". i think this might work best to add a new module, so that the
> console-web module has a dependency on the new module. this would allow
for
> the taglib.tld to be picked up automatically without having to specify it
in
> the web.xml
>
> i think that was pretty much it. i have not done any development for
> geronimo, but have gone through the wiki extensively. what would be the
> best way to go about this? do the development, create a patch, and submit
> it to JIRA?
>
> if i have questions, should i email you directly, or would the dev list or
> wiki be a better communication spot? Oh, and i wanted to let you know
that
> it's great to see other minnesota based J2EE developers! i'm from mankato
> myself, and down here, J2EE is still in it's infancy.
>
> Ryan Sonnek
>
> ------------
> "God is the Lord of angels, of men - and of elves."
> - J.R.R. Tolkien
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "n. alex rupp" <ru...@umn.edu>
> >To: "ryan sonnek" <wi...@users.sourceforge.net>
> >Subject: Re: console-web
> >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:42:10 -0600
> >
> >Ryan,
> >
> >Go ahead and post your ideas : )
> >
> >--
> >N. Alex Rupp
Re: Fw: console-web
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@coredevelopers.net>.
I'm guessing because right now we need basic features like operation
invocation. Once we get some basic features we can look at
re-architecting the system, but now it is early. Anyway, to me most of
the suggestions look like differences in web design philosophy.
-dain
On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 06:13 AM, James Strachan wrote:
> FWIW Ryan's points all seem pretty valid to me; I don't see why you're
> recommending he goes off to SF or that his ideas are over-engineered.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 06:22 am, n. alex rupp wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> Let's please keep discussions about this on the list : )
>>
>> I think your ideas below are overengineered, but you sound like
>> you've given
>> it a lot of thought and perhaps the ideas have merit, but they'll
>> best be
>> judged when they're backed up with some code. You might start a
>> project at
>> sf.net and build this sucker from the ground up (doesn't seem that
>> you'll
>> need to reuse any of the pieces we've got), and when you get it
>> working, we
>> can take a look at it and either use it to replace what we've got, or
>> merge
>> the two together, using the best parts of each. Get the web
>> application
>> working, and we'll go from there.
>>
>> I'm working on adding simple functionality like method invocation.
>> Perhaps
>> we can join our stuff together somewhere down the line. You might
>> also look
>> into other projects which are building generic libraries for working
>> with
>> JMX. I think Simone Bordet knows of a good one (but I can't remember
>> it for
>> the life of me)
>>
>> Good luck and welcome : )
>> --
>> N. Alex Rupp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ryan Sonnek" <ry...@hotmail.com>
>> To: <ru...@umn.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: console-web
>>
>>
>>> ok, here are my ideas. please let me know if they go against any
>>> design
>> you
>>> had in mind.
>>>
>>> 1. remove html from JSP custom tags.
>>> 2. use JSTL in jsp tags to output lists of JMX services
>>> 4. use xdoclet to generate web.xml and taglib.tld.
>>> 3. refactor majority of code into reusable JMX client for use with
>>> other
>>> "consoles". i think this might work best to add a new module, so
>>> that the
>>> console-web module has a dependency on the new module. this would
>>> allow
>> for
>>> the taglib.tld to be picked up automatically without having to
>>> specify it
>> in
>>> the web.xml
>>>
>>> i think that was pretty much it. i have not done any development for
>>> geronimo, but have gone through the wiki extensively. what would be
>>> the
>>> best way to go about this? do the development, create a patch, and
>>> submit
>>> it to JIRA?
>>>
>>> if i have questions, should i email you directly, or would the dev
>>> list or
>>> wiki be a better communication spot? Oh, and i wanted to let you
>>> know
>> that
>>> it's great to see other minnesota based J2EE developers! i'm from
>>> mankato
>>> myself, and down here, J2EE is still in it's infancy.
>>>
>>> Ryan Sonnek
>>>
>>> ------------
>>> "God is the Lord of angels, of men - and of elves."
>>> - J.R.R. Tolkien
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "n. alex rupp" <ru...@umn.edu>
>>>> To: "ryan sonnek" <wi...@users.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: console-web
>>>> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:42:10 -0600
>>>>
>>>> Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> Go ahead and post your ideas : )
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> N. Alex Rupp
>>
>>
>
> James
> -------
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
>
>
/*************************
* Dain Sundstrom
* Partner
* Core Developers Network
*************************/
Re: Fw: console-web
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>.
FWIW Ryan's points all seem pretty valid to me; I don't see why you're
recommending he goes off to SF or that his ideas are over-engineered.
On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 06:22 am, n. alex rupp wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> Let's please keep discussions about this on the list : )
>
> I think your ideas below are overengineered, but you sound like you've
> given
> it a lot of thought and perhaps the ideas have merit, but they'll best
> be
> judged when they're backed up with some code. You might start a
> project at
> sf.net and build this sucker from the ground up (doesn't seem that
> you'll
> need to reuse any of the pieces we've got), and when you get it
> working, we
> can take a look at it and either use it to replace what we've got, or
> merge
> the two together, using the best parts of each. Get the web
> application
> working, and we'll go from there.
>
> I'm working on adding simple functionality like method invocation.
> Perhaps
> we can join our stuff together somewhere down the line. You might
> also look
> into other projects which are building generic libraries for working
> with
> JMX. I think Simone Bordet knows of a good one (but I can't remember
> it for
> the life of me)
>
> Good luck and welcome : )
> --
> N. Alex Rupp
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Sonnek" <ry...@hotmail.com>
> To: <ru...@umn.edu>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:44 PM
> Subject: Re: console-web
>
>
>> ok, here are my ideas. please let me know if they go against any
>> design
> you
>> had in mind.
>>
>> 1. remove html from JSP custom tags.
>> 2. use JSTL in jsp tags to output lists of JMX services
>> 4. use xdoclet to generate web.xml and taglib.tld.
>> 3. refactor majority of code into reusable JMX client for use with
>> other
>> "consoles". i think this might work best to add a new module, so
>> that the
>> console-web module has a dependency on the new module. this would
>> allow
> for
>> the taglib.tld to be picked up automatically without having to
>> specify it
> in
>> the web.xml
>>
>> i think that was pretty much it. i have not done any development for
>> geronimo, but have gone through the wiki extensively. what would be
>> the
>> best way to go about this? do the development, create a patch, and
>> submit
>> it to JIRA?
>>
>> if i have questions, should i email you directly, or would the dev
>> list or
>> wiki be a better communication spot? Oh, and i wanted to let you know
> that
>> it's great to see other minnesota based J2EE developers! i'm from
>> mankato
>> myself, and down here, J2EE is still in it's infancy.
>>
>> Ryan Sonnek
>>
>> ------------
>> "God is the Lord of angels, of men - and of elves."
>> - J.R.R. Tolkien
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "n. alex rupp" <ru...@umn.edu>
>>> To: "ryan sonnek" <wi...@users.sourceforge.net>
>>> Subject: Re: console-web
>>> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:42:10 -0600
>>>
>>> Ryan,
>>>
>>> Go ahead and post your ideas : )
>>>
>>> --
>>> N. Alex Rupp
>
>
James
-------
http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/