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Posted to users@tapestry.apache.org by Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org> on 2012/01/26 07:31:57 UTC
migration / porting idea
Hi Tap List -
Disclaimer: I'm more systems than dev at the moment, but I can fumble my way through J2EE deving and have implemented a standard protocol for telephony signalling in the early 2000's - I'm not pure dev these days because 10 years ago the complexity of java web dev put me off (read: xml config). But tapestry is great!
Short version:
Drupal -> Tapestry port - has anyone done something similar with _any_ CMS to tapestry?
If the CSS is available, and I make my blocks/template/components the same names/layout - I can't imagine there being much more special-ness to add.
Comments? Is it that simple?
Why?
1.. Personally, I'm sick of doing PHP stuff. I'm an old time hack these days :) and I like my network and systems than web stuff. Nothing is out-of-the-box magic, so if I _have_ to do stuff, I'd rather do it in tapestry.
2.. To create the ability to port from a PHP(any) CMS to tapestry.
The way I see it - the model is pretty much there in the DB, lots of people have learned OO stuff - and you can craft most of it in a day or two if a) it's a crappy schema; or, b) it's just not the type of thing you're good at. You could point at it with POJOGEN (http://pojogen.sourceforge.net/ - used it, no probs for me) or eclipse I believe.
Longer version: if you're still reading - cool - me too :)
I've had an idea for ages - I like just hacking at bits of code here and there but as I get a little bit older there's a little bit less and less wanting to do so - a comment from a tapestry legend (GC of jumpstart fame) set it off - why dive into an existing framework to find it's bugs and mangle with it when you don't have to with tapestry.
Having used drupal for 4+ years for prototypes and what not, I just don't like PHP. I've got some junk testing libs that come-to-think-off-it will put up on github if they still work - e.g. webservices etc. great - drupal for instance is just coming out of v6 and into v7 (well for 12 months) but v6 websites are still out there in the thousands.
If I get started, on it (which I will) is there anyone that's willing to follow me down the rabbit hole?
On a slight tangent:
Same with sugarcrm - the last CRM migration I did was 5 years ago (it seems, maybe). It's an OK CRM but a CRM is a massive undertaking. These CRMs charge $12 - $20+/user/month - tapestry community could make something like that within 12 months. Sort of Co-Op style.
/rant
Chris
Re: migration / porting idea
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:56:58 -0200, Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>
wrote:
> cool - yeah i agree.... i wouldn't do a line-by-line comparison of code,
> but a higher level page by page and funtionality etc.
> learn the db and apply it to tap - can only try it
I wouldn't even reuse the page and database structure unless they're very
well written. I have no Drupal knowledge, so I can't give opinions about
this. :)
Anyway, with a project being started from scratch, I wouldn't limit myself
to what some other project does. I'd copy the good ideas, of course. :)
--
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
and instructor
Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
http://www.arsmachina.com.br
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Re: migration / porting idea
Posted by Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>.
cool - yeah i agree.... i wouldn't do a line-by-line comparison of code, but a higher level page by page and funtionality etc.
learn the db and apply it to tap - can only try it
i.e. a block is a block (like sidebar in demo tap app)
the nav is the same
modules like blog & taxonomy would be easily coded
panel is more of a template thing
if anyone wants a drupal site to see what's it about i can make a copy of one of my personal ones and you can see what i mean.
i'll give it a shot anyway - i think it's a go-er.
On 26/01/2012, at 11:49 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 04:31:57 -0200, Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tap List -
>
> Hi!
>
>> Short version:
>> Drupal -> Tapestry port - has anyone done something similar with _any_ CMS to tapestry?
>
> I wouldn't do a code port. PHP is way too different from Java and Tapestry, so the Drupal code (or any other PHP one) wouldn't translate well. I'd think about what are the good features of it and reimplement from scratch, the bad features and avoid or improve them, also from scratch.
>
> --
> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer, and instructor
> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
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Re: migration / porting idea
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 04:31:57 -0200, Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>
wrote:
> Hi Tap List -
Hi!
> Short version:
> Drupal -> Tapestry port - has anyone done something similar with _any_
> CMS to tapestry?
I wouldn't do a code port. PHP is way too different from Java and
Tapestry, so the Drupal code (or any other PHP one) wouldn't translate
well. I'd think about what are the good features of it and reimplement
from scratch, the bad features and avoid or improve them, also from
scratch.
--
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
and instructor
Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
http://www.arsmachina.com.br
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