Fwd: incubator releases need to be under www.a.o/dist/incubator

[Adam Lally <al...@alum.rpi.edu>]

FYI, since we seem to be about to have a successful release, this
might be useful inofmration about where the distribution files are
supposed to be placed.

-Adam

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Roy T. Fielding <fi...@gbiv.com>
Date: Feb 21, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: incubator releases need to be under www.a.o/dist/incubator
To: general@incubator.apache.org


On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2007, at 1:08 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>> One thing that seems to have been forgotten is that an approved
>> release must be in the form of SOURCE CODE and must be placed
>> in the associated PMC's public distribution area under
>>
>>    http://www.apache.org/dist/
>
> The second "must" there in that sentence has been topic of much
> debate. I believe the main arguments against it go along the lines
> of "are not real apache releases", "we should not bother our
> mirrors with this", "goes against infrastructure release policy", etc.

I think my point was that I don't consider it a debate any more.
What is the point of debating something if we never make a decision?

> Should we interpret the below [...]
> as "we make US government officials unhappy (to say the least) if
> we put releases (for their definition of release) that are or might
> be subject to export laws in any location other than www.apache.org/
> dist/"?

No, it should be interpreted as: we made guidelines for the PMCs
because we gave them guns with loaded ammunition and did not want
them to shoot the collective us in the feet.  Allowing a podling
to make a release is giving it the gun, loading the ammunition,
and then ... what?

I think the same guidelines should apply to incubator WHEN incubator
decides to make a release.  The fact that the code came from a podling
does not make the gun any safer.  More to the point, incubator's lack
of discipline in this matter makes it harder to maintain consistent
documentation on our www dev site, which makes me very grumpy.

....Roy

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Re: Fwd: incubator releases need to be under www.a.o/dist/incubator

[Marshall Schor <ms...@schor.com>]

Sam's vote hasn't shown up (yet).  maybe slow email...

Jean says the vote is held open for 72 hours not counting weekends; this 
one started 3/8/2007 11:12 AM. That's last Thursday.
So we could close the vote (assuming Sam's vote shows up) tomorrow.  
Jean suggests tomorrow night or even Wednesday.


The place to put stuff is apparently up for discussion.  Roy's note 
below says www.a.o/dist/incubator/....  which doesn't exist.
Putting it here will put a podling release onto the "mirrors" which has 
been a topic of debate.
The alternative is to post to people.apache.org/dist/incubator/
which is where other podlings have posted.

I'll ask about this on general and see what happens.

Adam Lally wrote:
> FYI, since we seem to be about to have a successful release, this
> might be useful inofmration about where the distribution files are
> supposed to be placed.
>
> -Adam
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Roy T. Fielding <fi...@gbiv.com>
> Date: Feb 21, 2007 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: incubator releases need to be under www.a.o/dist/incubator
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
>> On Feb 21, 2007, at 1:08 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>> One thing that seems to have been forgotten is that an approved
>>> release must be in the form of SOURCE CODE and must be placed
>>> in the associated PMC's public distribution area under
>>>
>>>    http://www.apache.org/dist/
>>
>> The second "must" there in that sentence has been topic of much
>> debate. I believe the main arguments against it go along the lines
>> of "are not real apache releases", "we should not bother our
>> mirrors with this", "goes against infrastructure release policy", etc.
>
> I think my point was that I don't consider it a debate any more.
> What is the point of debating something if we never make a decision?
>
>> Should we interpret the below [...]
>> as "we make US government officials unhappy (to say the least) if
>> we put releases (for their definition of release) that are or might
>> be subject to export laws in any location other than www.apache.org/
>> dist/"?
>
> No, it should be interpreted as: we made guidelines for the PMCs
> because we gave them guns with loaded ammunition and did not want
> them to shoot the collective us in the feet.  Allowing a podling
> to make a release is giving it the gun, loading the ammunition,
> and then ... what?
>
> I think the same guidelines should apply to incubator WHEN incubator
> decides to make a release.  The fact that the code came from a podling
> does not make the gun any safer.  More to the point, incubator's lack
> of discipline in this matter makes it harder to maintain consistent
> documentation on our www dev site, which makes me very grumpy.
>
> ....Roy
>
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