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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> on 2018/09/11 22:42:19 UTC
RE: dpi on Windows Java 9
I've submitted a pull request that adds scalable icons for the most important window system icons, that is those in o.n.swing.tabcontrol and openide.awt, starting with the Windows L&F (plus a couple of platform-independent icons):
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/859
LAF icons, in particular, are often both simple and highly parameterized (need both enabled, disabled, rollover, and pressed variants, and might eventually need Darcula versions), and so made sense to implement with custom painting code. This is the approach taken in Swing's own Windows L&F, e.g. for checkbox checks and combobox dropdown arrows [1]. On Windows, in particular, arbitrary DPI scalings can be encountered, so the Mac approach of just serving an extra bitmap "@2x" resolution for each icon does not work in all cases.
(For other kinds of icons, there's still a need to let ImageUtilities load bitmaps with multiple resolutions available. Automatic SVG loading & rendering, like Tim Boudreau suggested, would be another great feature.)
-- Eirik
[1] See http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk10/jdk10/jdk/file/tip/src/java.desktop/share/classes/com/sun/java/swing/plaf/windows/WindowsIconFactory.java
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Boudreau <ni...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:14 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org; Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
Subject: Re: dpi on Windows Java 9
IMO, if we wanted to do this and be future-proof, the thing to do would be to convert the icons to SVG or some similar vector format and update the icon loading code in ImageUtilities to use it.
There are some tools - particularly potrace - that can assist in initial conversion, but deal in tracing lines and shapes and give 2- or 3- color output (potrace lets you set a single interior color for closed shapes), but which could be helpful as a start.
Given that SVG is XML-based, I could imagine that just using something like Batik to load SVG would be unacceptable; but SVG could be used as a designer-friendly input stage, and then be compiled by the build process into something more performant (either literal Java code that paints the contents of the svg, or some binary representation of drawing instructions), much the same way resource bundle message annotations are turned into static methods.
I've written code before that implements a Graphics2D that simply stores a list of everything it was told to do - wouldn't be that hard to take the list of drawing instructions from there and generate Java code to reproduce those steps.
Straw man example:
- Code that uses an SVG icon is annotated with
@Icon("org/netbeans/modules/x/myIcon.svg")
- At build time:
- Annotation processor looks up that file, reads it with Batik, paints it into a code-generating Graphics2D which outputs a generated static method myIcon() on a generated class in the same package
- Code that wants to use the icon calls the static method, the same way bundle messages are loaded in modern NetBeans code
- At run time:
- If using the generated static method, the output is just an image or an icon, no surprises
- For the case where icons are shared across modules (this happens), ImageUtilities could be tweaked to, in the case of a .svg extension, try to look up the generated class / method (and optionally fall back to Batik if nobody minded a dependency on it, but that could be pluggable via Lookup if it's even needed)
The hard part is converting to SVG, since turning an image into efficient vectors is a genuinely hard problem where there are many non-optimal answers and few optimal ones - particularly for converting gradients. I could imagine getting a little better output by running the icon through potrace with several color filters on it and combining the output. But likely it simply requires a bunch of manual tweaking.
-Tim
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
wrote:
> > In my opinion, the correct fix would be for applications to provide
> > higher resolution icons :) It's a win-win for everyone.
>
> https://nextbeans.com/retina
> https://jaxenter.com/netbeans/netbeans-retina
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 11 March 2018 9:49 PM, cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
>
> > I might be in the minority, but I actually prefer the new look. It
> > makes
> >
> > Netbeans a lot easier to use in high DPI environments (yes, on Windows).
> >
> > Netbeans with JDK 8 looks super tiny.
> >
> > In my opinion, the correct fix would be for applications to provide
> >
> > higher resolution icons :) It's a win-win for everyone.
> >
> > Gili
> >
> > On 2018-03-11 3:14 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, 19:02 , toni.epple@eppleton.de wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's a 13,3" FHD 1920 x 1080 with app scaling set to 150%. Not
> > > > sure
> if
> > > >
> > > > that already counts as high dpi.
> > >
> > > Looks like you're not alone anyway
> > >
> > > https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8187367
> > >
> > > Not sure if there's a workaround amongst that lot!
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Neil C Smith
> > > >
> > > > Artist & Technologist
> > > >
> > > > www.neilcsmith.net
> > >
> > > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
> www.praxislive.org
> >
> > --
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RE: dpi on Windows Java 9
Posted by Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>.
I continue to change -J-Dsun.java2d.dpiaware=true to false to have NetBeans appear properly and respect Microsoft scaling on a Hi DPI display. Having everything scalable regardless of the display is a worthwhile goal. The same for having control of the font size for everything, not just the editor and output windows.
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
Sent: September 12, 2018 2:53 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: AW: dpi on Windows Java 9
Great, thx 😊
Von: Eirik Bakke
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2018 00:42
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: RE: dpi on Windows Java 9
I've submitted a pull request that adds scalable icons for the most important window system icons, that is those in o.n.swing.tabcontrol and openide.awt, starting with the Windows L&F (plus a couple of platform-independent icons):
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/859
LAF icons, in particular, are often both simple and highly parameterized (need both enabled, disabled, rollover, and pressed variants, and might eventually need Darcula versions), and so made sense to implement with custom painting code. This is the approach taken in Swing's own Windows L&F, e.g. for checkbox checks and combobox dropdown arrows [1]. On Windows, in particular, arbitrary DPI scalings can be encountered, so the Mac approach of just serving an extra bitmap "@2x" resolution for each icon does not work in all cases.
(For other kinds of icons, there's still a need to let ImageUtilities load bitmaps with multiple resolutions available. Automatic SVG loading & rendering, like Tim Boudreau suggested, would be another great feature.)
-- Eirik
[1] See http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk10/jdk10/jdk/file/tip/src/java.desktop/share/classes/com/sun/java/swing/plaf/windows/WindowsIconFactory.java
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Boudreau <ni...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:14 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org; Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
Subject: Re: dpi on Windows Java 9
IMO, if we wanted to do this and be future-proof, the thing to do would be to convert the icons to SVG or some similar vector format and update the icon loading code in ImageUtilities to use it.
There are some tools - particularly potrace - that can assist in initial conversion, but deal in tracing lines and shapes and give 2- or 3- color output (potrace lets you set a single interior color for closed shapes), but which could be helpful as a start.
Given that SVG is XML-based, I could imagine that just using something like Batik to load SVG would be unacceptable; but SVG could be used as a designer-friendly input stage, and then be compiled by the build process into something more performant (either literal Java code that paints the contents of the svg, or some binary representation of drawing instructions), much the same way resource bundle message annotations are turned into static methods.
I've written code before that implements a Graphics2D that simply stores a list of everything it was told to do - wouldn't be that hard to take the list of drawing instructions from there and generate Java code to reproduce those steps.
Straw man example:
- Code that uses an SVG icon is annotated with
@Icon("org/netbeans/modules/x/myIcon.svg")
- At build time:
- Annotation processor looks up that file, reads it with Batik, paints it into a code-generating Graphics2D which outputs a generated static method myIcon() on a generated class in the same package
- Code that wants to use the icon calls the static method, the same way bundle messages are loaded in modern NetBeans code
- At run time:
- If using the generated static method, the output is just an image or an icon, no surprises
- For the case where icons are shared across modules (this happens), ImageUtilities could be tweaked to, in the case of a .svg extension, try to look up the generated class / method (and optionally fall back to Batik if nobody minded a dependency on it, but that could be pluggable via Lookup if it's even needed)
The hard part is converting to SVG, since turning an image into efficient vectors is a genuinely hard problem where there are many non-optimal answers and few optimal ones - particularly for converting gradients. I could imagine getting a little better output by running the icon through potrace with several color filters on it and combining the output. But likely it simply requires a bunch of manual tweaking.
-Tim
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
wrote:
> > In my opinion, the correct fix would be for applications to provide
> > higher resolution icons :) It's a win-win for everyone.
>
> https://nextbeans.com/retina
> https://jaxenter.com/netbeans/netbeans-retina
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 11 March 2018 9:49 PM, cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
>
> > I might be in the minority, but I actually prefer the new look. It
> > makes
> >
> > Netbeans a lot easier to use in high DPI environments (yes, on Windows).
> >
> > Netbeans with JDK 8 looks super tiny.
> >
> > In my opinion, the correct fix would be for applications to provide
> >
> > higher resolution icons :) It's a win-win for everyone.
> >
> > Gili
> >
> > On 2018-03-11 3:14 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, 19:02 , toni.epple@eppleton.de wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's a 13,3" FHD 1920 x 1080 with app scaling set to 150%. Not
> > > > sure
> if
> > > >
> > > > that already counts as high dpi.
> > >
> > > Looks like you're not alone anyway
> > >
> > > https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8187367
> > >
> > > Not sure if there's a workaround amongst that lot!
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Neil C Smith
> > > >
> > > > Artist & Technologist
> > > >
> > > > www.neilcsmith.net
> > >
> > > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
> www.praxislive.org
> >
> > --
> >
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
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> >
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> >
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> >
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AW: dpi on Windows Java 9
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Great, thx 😊
Von: Eirik Bakke
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2018 00:42
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: RE: dpi on Windows Java 9
I've submitted a pull request that adds scalable icons for the most important window system icons, that is those in o.n.swing.tabcontrol and openide.awt, starting with the Windows L&F (plus a couple of platform-independent icons):
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/859
LAF icons, in particular, are often both simple and highly parameterized (need both enabled, disabled, rollover, and pressed variants, and might eventually need Darcula versions), and so made sense to implement with custom painting code. This is the approach taken in Swing's own Windows L&F, e.g. for checkbox checks and combobox dropdown arrows [1]. On Windows, in particular, arbitrary DPI scalings can be encountered, so the Mac approach of just serving an extra bitmap "@2x" resolution for each icon does not work in all cases.
(For other kinds of icons, there's still a need to let ImageUtilities load bitmaps with multiple resolutions available. Automatic SVG loading & rendering, like Tim Boudreau suggested, would be another great feature.)
-- Eirik
[1] See http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk10/jdk10/jdk/file/tip/src/java.desktop/share/classes/com/sun/java/swing/plaf/windows/WindowsIconFactory.java
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Boudreau <ni...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:14 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org; Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
Subject: Re: dpi on Windows Java 9
IMO, if we wanted to do this and be future-proof, the thing to do would be to convert the icons to SVG or some similar vector format and update the icon loading code in ImageUtilities to use it.
There are some tools - particularly potrace - that can assist in initial conversion, but deal in tracing lines and shapes and give 2- or 3- color output (potrace lets you set a single interior color for closed shapes), but which could be helpful as a start.
Given that SVG is XML-based, I could imagine that just using something like Batik to load SVG would be unacceptable; but SVG could be used as a designer-friendly input stage, and then be compiled by the build process into something more performant (either literal Java code that paints the contents of the svg, or some binary representation of drawing instructions), much the same way resource bundle message annotations are turned into static methods.
I've written code before that implements a Graphics2D that simply stores a list of everything it was told to do - wouldn't be that hard to take the list of drawing instructions from there and generate Java code to reproduce those steps.
Straw man example:
- Code that uses an SVG icon is annotated with
@Icon("org/netbeans/modules/x/myIcon.svg")
- At build time:
- Annotation processor looks up that file, reads it with Batik, paints it into a code-generating Graphics2D which outputs a generated static method myIcon() on a generated class in the same package
- Code that wants to use the icon calls the static method, the same way bundle messages are loaded in modern NetBeans code
- At run time:
- If using the generated static method, the output is just an image or an icon, no surprises
- For the case where icons are shared across modules (this happens), ImageUtilities could be tweaked to, in the case of a .svg extension, try to look up the generated class / method (and optionally fall back to Batik if nobody minded a dependency on it, but that could be pluggable via Lookup if it's even needed)
The hard part is converting to SVG, since turning an image into efficient vectors is a genuinely hard problem where there are many non-optimal answers and few optimal ones - particularly for converting gradients. I could imagine getting a little better output by running the icon through potrace with several color filters on it and combining the output. But likely it simply requires a bunch of manual tweaking.
-Tim
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
wrote:
> > In my opinion, the correct fix would be for applications to provide
> > higher resolution icons :) It's a win-win for everyone.
>
> https://nextbeans.com/retina
> https://jaxenter.com/netbeans/netbeans-retina
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 11 March 2018 9:49 PM, cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
>
> > I might be in the minority, but I actually prefer the new look. It
> > makes
> >
> > Netbeans a lot easier to use in high DPI environments (yes, on Windows).
> >
> > Netbeans with JDK 8 looks super tiny.
> >
> > In my opinion, the correct fix would be for applications to provide
> >
> > higher resolution icons :) It's a win-win for everyone.
> >
> > Gili
> >
> > On 2018-03-11 3:14 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, 19:02 , toni.epple@eppleton.de wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's a 13,3" FHD 1920 x 1080 with app scaling set to 150%. Not
> > > > sure
> if
> > > >
> > > > that already counts as high dpi.
> > >
> > > Looks like you're not alone anyway
> > >
> > > https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8187367
> > >
> > > Not sure if there's a workaround amongst that lot!
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Neil C Smith
> > > >
> > > > Artist & Technologist
> > > >
> > > > www.neilcsmith.net
> > >
> > > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding -
> www.praxislive.org
> >
> > --
> >
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
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> >
> > For additional commands, e-mail:
> > dev-help@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >
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> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
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