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Posted to dev@perl.apache.org by Geoffrey Young <ge...@modperlcookbook.org> on 2008/04/02 14:46:28 UTC
perl at apachecon
hi all :)
perl's (and mod_perl's) presence at apachecon has been dwindling over
the years. I won't get into a rant about why this might be, so please
don't you do it either :)
anyway, if you have any interest in attending apachecon us this year,
please login to the apachecon site and take the time to rate the current
proposals - showing interest in perl ones is the only voice we have
toward getting them chosen for the conference.
http://apachecon.com/html/login.html
anyone can create an account (and if you go to the conference you'll
need to create one to register anyway).
the main site is
http://www.us.apachecon.com/us2008/
and the dates are november 3-7 in cool new orleans.
thanks
--Geoff
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Re: perl at apachecon
Posted by Brian Millett <bm...@gmail.com>.
Juan Jose Natera escribío:
>> OSCON 2008 doesn't have much perl either.
>>
>> A disturbing trend.
>
> Have you actually looked at this year's Perl track at OSCON?
>
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/topic/80
Yep, but back when it was the Perl Conference held in conjunction with OSCON, there were
many more.
--
Brian Millett - [ Garibaldi, "Revelations"]
"What's up, Doc?"
Re: perl at apachecon
Posted by Juan Jose Natera <na...@gmail.com>.
> OSCON 2008 doesn't have much perl either.
>
> A disturbing trend.
Have you actually looked at this year's Perl track at OSCON?
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/topic/80
Re: perl at apachecon
Posted by ad...@utoronto.ca.
Quoting Brian Millett <bm...@gmail.com>:
>
> Wow, not many proposals. :-(
It's not too late to submit more (you've got one day left till the deadline).
Adam
Re: perl at apachecon
Posted by Perrin Harkins <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Apr 2, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Brian Millett wrote:
>
> Wow, not many proposals. :-(
I usually submit one, but the timing of the conference is terrible
this year -- right in the middle of the US presidential election.
There's no way I can get away from work then.
- Perrin
Re: perl at apachecon
Posted by Brian Millett <bm...@gmail.com>.
Geoffrey Young escribío:
> hi all :)
>
> perl's (and mod_perl's) presence at apachecon has been dwindling over
> the years. I won't get into a rant about why this might be, so please
> don't you do it either :)
>
> anyway, if you have any interest in attending apachecon us this year,
> please login to the apachecon site and take the time to rate the current
> proposals - showing interest in perl ones is the only voice we have
> toward getting them chosen for the conference.
>
> http://apachecon.com/html/login.html
>
> anyone can create an account (and if you go to the conference you'll
> need to create one to register anyway).
>
> the main site is
>
> http://www.us.apachecon.com/us2008/
>
> and the dates are november 3-7 in cool new orleans.
>
> thanks
Wow, not many proposals. :-(
OSCON 2008 doesn't have much perl either.
A disturbing trend.
--
Brian Millett - [ Sinclair, "The Gathering"]
"Sooner or later, everyone comes to Babylon 5."
Re: perl at apachecon
Posted by Fred Moyer <fr...@taperfriendlymusic.org>.
adam.prime@utoronto.ca wrote:
> Quoting Geoffrey Young <ge...@modperlcookbook.org>:
>
>> hi all :)
>>
>> perl's (and mod_perl's) presence at apachecon has been dwindling over
>> the years. I won't get into a rant about why this might be, so please
>> don't you do it either :)
>>
>
> (I'm CC'ing this to advocacy, in case anyone else is interested)
>
> I'm interested in hearing the rant (and any associated rants), and
I'll offer some thoughts here but am focusing on intelligent discourse
rather than ranting :)
> especially interested in hearing ideas about what could be done to fix,
> or at least adapt to the situation. I was thinking about this a little
Spend time developing mod_perl related talks and submit them to events.
I spent a lot of time developing talks for smaller workshops first,
and am now submitting those talks to larger events such as OSCON and
ApacheCon.
> bit this morning after seeing a post on perlbuzz about how the perl
> track at OSCON actually has twice as many talks as it did the year
> before (though it's still a far cry from it's TPC days).
>
> I've been to two apachecon's (vegas and austin) but last year the
> content in atlanta was underwhelming to me. I instead chose to go to
> the pittsburgh perl workshop, which though it didn't have much (or even
> any) truly mod_perl content, the general perl content was good, and the
> conference was dirt cheap (70USD IIRC).
>
> I recently did a little bit of research for Richard Dice on perl
> conferences and i was somewhat shocked to find out what they've got
> going on in Europe. They have upwards of 8 workshop style events, many
> of which are multiple days all over Europe. In addition to YAPC::EU.
Europe has a decided advantage in that the concentration of users is
over a smaller area than the US (making a generalization here, but one I
think that is reasonable). Flying from one end of North America to the
other is more costly and time consuming than flying from one end of
Europe to the other, so I think that may be a factor.
> I wonder if there would be enough interest in a workshop style event
> that was focused on mod_perl, or perl and websites to make it worth
> while. I wonder why people don't go to ApacheCon,
It's expensive. I paid for myself last year and slept on a couch at a
friend's place, and it was still a lot of money (even with my committer
discount) My employer paid the year before, which was great, but I got
a lucky break in that instance :)
The big conferences are for profit events, and most attendees rely on
employers footing the bill for their employees. I've dropped about four
grand out of pocket in the past two years on conferences, I was lucky
enough to have a well paying job but unfortunately the employer wouldn't
pay for conferences on those occasions.
> or don't submit
> sessions to ApacheCon (which both seem to go hand in hand). If
Submitted two talks last year (none accepted), two talks this year
(fingers crossed) :)
> ApacheCon isn't serving the needs of the mod_perl community effectively,
> then maybe (if there's interest) the community should start serving itself.
I've often thought that it would be cool to have a mod_perl
conference/workshop, but the mod_perl community is a subset of both the
Perl and Apache communities, so it seems like the audience is more
limited than it would be at ApacheCon or YAPC. It is generally a lot
easier to encourage and facilitate mod_perl user attendance at an
existing event rather than putting on a separate event.
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Re: perl at apachecon
Posted by ad...@utoronto.ca.
Quoting Geoffrey Young <ge...@modperlcookbook.org>:
> hi all :)
>
> perl's (and mod_perl's) presence at apachecon has been dwindling over
> the years. I won't get into a rant about why this might be, so please
> don't you do it either :)
>
(I'm CC'ing this to advocacy, in case anyone else is interested)
I'm interested in hearing the rant (and any associated rants), and
especially interested in hearing ideas about what could be done to
fix, or at least adapt to the situation. I was thinking about this a
little bit this morning after seeing a post on perlbuzz about how the
perl track at OSCON actually has twice as many talks as it did the
year before (though it's still a far cry from it's TPC days).
I've been to two apachecon's (vegas and austin) but last year the
content in atlanta was underwhelming to me. I instead chose to go to
the pittsburgh perl workshop, which though it didn't have much (or
even any) truly mod_perl content, the general perl content was good,
and the conference was dirt cheap (70USD IIRC).
I recently did a little bit of research for Richard Dice on perl
conferences and i was somewhat shocked to find out what they've got
going on in Europe. They have upwards of 8 workshop style events,
many of which are multiple days all over Europe. In addition to
YAPC::EU.
I wonder if there would be enough interest in a workshop style event
that was focused on mod_perl, or perl and websites to make it worth
while. I wonder why people don't go to ApacheCon, or don't submit
sessions to ApacheCon (which both seem to go hand in hand). If
ApacheCon isn't serving the needs of the mod_perl community
effectively, then maybe (if there's interest) the community should
start serving itself.
Adam
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