Re: Early Bird Registration is open for ApacheCon Europe!

[dsh <da...@gmail.com>]

+1 to that and...

1) Don't compare conferences such as ApacheCon with a one week 5*
vacation somewhere in the Mediterranean or in the Red Sea - there's
absolute NO relationship between the two!!!
2) Consider the TAC!
3) Don't make this an AOO-specific or -only issue. If it's an issue at
all it applies to every individual planning to attend.

Cheers
Daniel

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> PLEASE NOTE: the committers@ mailing list is NOT the proper place for this
> discussion.  Please Reply-To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org with questions or
> suggestions about ApacheCon or any other ASF-specific events.
>
> committers@ is meant for official announcements about the ASF, and is a
> mandatory list for all 2,000+ Apache committers.  Thanks.
>
> The questions about pricing are valid ones: it's just they belong on another
> list where the people who do conference planning discuss this kind of thing.
>
> Isabel has an excellent point: the ASF Travel Assistance Committee does have
> a program where Apache committers can apply for funding to attend ApacheCon
> and other specific Apache community events - so that's something to keep in
> mind for other events (the deadline was unfortunately yesterday).
>
> Committers on the Apache OpenOffice podling wishing to attend ApacheCon EU
> this year should contact the PPMC for more information about the AOO tracks
> and attendance.
>
> - Shane
>
>
>
> On 8/17/2012 5:11 AM, Isabel Drost wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> Am 16.08.2012 12:01, schrieb Nick Burch:
>>>>
>>>> The important thing is that the early bird tickets are now on sale,
>>>> so you can go ahead and start buying your tickets! Early Bird
>>>> tickets for Committers cost €325 (inc VAT and fees). To purchase at
>>>> this rate, please enter the promotion code ApacheCommitter on the
>>>> ticket selection page. For those of you who can claim back German
>>>> VAT, the early bird cost is just over €250, so hopefully cost won't
>>>> prevent anyone from attending this time!
>>>
>>>
>>> It will prevent most of the community members which are also being
>>> committers to attending this conference.
>>
>>
>> Two comments on that: Yes, this is more than average European
>> community events like FrOSCon/FOSDEM charge, but than again in my
>> opinion ApacheCon is not really all-volunteer-at-no-cost-organised
>> (planners, please correct me if I'm wrong).
>>
>> To get community members in who work on Apache after hours only and
>> don't get their ticket paid for by their employer/university there is
>> the option to apply for travel support - http://www.apache.org/travel/
>>
>> I think the point you raise is an important one - albeit it I guess it
>> has been discussed often in the past already: In terms of pricing this
>> is one of the cheapest ApacheCons I know of.
>>
>>
>> Isabel
>>
>> OT: Mechtilde, CU next week at FrOSCon? Any other Apache people going?
>>
>

Re: Early Bird Registration is open for ApacheCon Europe!

[Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>]

On 18/08/2012 dsh wrote:
> Consider this a great opportunity for give back and
> networking! If the ASF TAC [1] isn't a well known institution amongst
> your fellow ASF community members make a change to the better by
> spreading the word.

We are, but it didn't help to have admission fees announced (with 
significant delay) to committers 12 hours before TAC applications closed 
(with unchanged deadlines), and just in the middle of an OpenOffice 
release vote. OpenOffice committers will learn from this, but 
circumstances didn't help this time.

> One final word - by the attending a conference versus having a nice
> vacation comparison you are really wakening your own point cause one
> could question whether your intentions in this matter are true and
> honest.

You are not referring to me, of course. I never wrote that or anything 
similar to that. And if by "you" you are referring to "OpenOffice 
committers in general", I honestly don't think it is right to 
generalize. It would have been fair of you to explicitly CC the person 
who wrote that.

Regards,
   Andrea.

Re: Early Bird Registration is open for ApacheCon Europe!

[dsh <da...@gmail.com>]

Well personally, considering what you have said and what already has
been said before I feel even more tempted to state it with JFK [1]:
Ask not what the open source community and specifically the ASF can do
for you - ask what you can do for the open source community and the
ASF in particular. Consider this a great opportunity for give back and
networking! If the ASF TAC [1] isn't a well known institution amongst
your fellow ASF community members make a change to the better by
spreading the word. I know other individuals from the past who really
tried very hard to attend ApacheCon events in the US and they actually
sacrificed much to achieve that goal cause they were from countries
with a developing economy. So I truly believe that German citizen
should be able to make it to ApacheCon EU in Sinsheim if considering
all of the various possibilities and options at hand even if there's a
conference fee. So IMO it's really our obligation, and not solely the
obligation of the ASF, to work together and make that happen.

One final word - by the attending a conference versus having a nice
vacation comparison you are really wakening your own point cause one
could question whether your intentions in this matter are true and
honest. That's why a emphasized that to me such a comparison is a
false comparison.

[1] http://youtu.be/sURNP5PRiMI
[2] http://www.apache.org/travel/

Cheers
Daniel

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> dsh wrote:
>>
>> 3) Don't make this an AOO-specific or -only issue. If it's an issue at
>> all it applies to every individual planning to attend.
>
>
> Yes, but there are several reasons that make the OpenOffice case special
> here, including:
>
> - The OpenOffice Conference admission fee in 2005-2010 never exceeded 10
> Euros, so community members did not expect this difference.
>
> - This is the first ApacheCon for most people who used to be involved with
> the old OpenOffice project, so TAC is a relatively new concept for us.
>
> - Apparently there are dedicated funds for travel assistance to OpenOffice
> committers.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PPMC.

Re: Early Bird Registration is open for ApacheCon Europe!

[Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>]

dsh wrote:
> 3) Don't make this an AOO-specific or -only issue. If it's an issue at
> all it applies to every individual planning to attend.

Yes, but there are several reasons that make the OpenOffice case special 
here, including:

- The OpenOffice Conference admission fee in 2005-2010 never exceeded 10 
Euros, so community members did not expect this difference.

- This is the first ApacheCon for most people who used to be involved 
with the old OpenOffice project, so TAC is a relatively new concept for us.

- Apparently there are dedicated funds for travel assistance to 
OpenOffice committers.

Regards,
   Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PPMC.