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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Seth Frey <sf...@ucdavis.edu> on 2020/01/17 23:10:13 UTC
Inquiry about researching ASF Incubator
Dear Incubator PMC,
Happy New Year!
I am a professor and quantitative social science researcher at the University of California, Davis. I have been studying online self-governing communities for a number of years now.
I am writing because of a new project: we are beginning a comprehensive comparative analysis of the ASF Incubator projects, especially on how the self-organization in the projects and their governance styles interact to result in success. We are hoping to learn how nascent OSS projects can become more successful from templates of successful and unsuccessful projects from ASF Incubator over the years. To jumpstart them, so to speak, if they need help or straightening out.
With a few collaborators we are now preparing a funding proposal for the National Science Foundation (NSF) in the US. I attach here the whitepaper. While it is basic research, this project may result in outcomes of interest to you and the foundation. In particular, we will be identifying rules/policies and social/technical architectures of OSS projects that are likelier than others to result in success. We are also planning to run educational experiments, in which we will start/maintain OSS projects with our students that will incorporate some of the things we are discovering.
THE ASK: It would be great if you would kindly consider supporting this project of ours, by providing a short letter of interest/support that I can enclose with our grant application. Would any committee members here be willing to sign a letter of support for this research? You won't be formally committing to do or suffer anything. Additionally, we can spare you the effort of drafting the letter by starting you off with a draft that you can change as you please or leave standing. Even if it promises minimal interaction and strictly informal (rather than official project-level) assistance, a support letter from an Incubator PMC member would increase our chances for making the project a reality by demonstrating even nominal interest by people active in the ASF.
Feel free to check out my research or that of my collaborator, UC Davis Computer Science Professor Vladimir Filkov (http://decallab.cs.ucdavis.edu/), who has studied OSS projects, including ASF projects, for years. Happy to provide more info on my qualifications and to discuss this in more length. Looking forward to your reply.
Sincerely,
Seth
p.s. While I have you, I was rooting around Clutch with fingers crossed that I can find an archive of its reports over time. I'll resort to Wayback Machine in a pinch, or reconstructing past reports from Board minutes, but if there's direct access to the complete raw data, I'd love to know about it.
Seth Frey
Assistant Professor
Communication, UC Davis
https://enfascination.com/research
recently:
https://doi.org/10.1145/3359134 — Designing Digital Institutions for Participatory Change
http://doi.org/c76k — Scaling of effective online institutions
http://doi.org/gdzpj6 — Poker experts encrypt their reasoning with their cards
Re: Inquiry about researching ASF Incubator
Posted by Seth Frey <sf...@ucdavis.edu>.
Thank you again for your willingness to support our research proposal to the NSF.
We'll need it by this Friday 31, 3pm PST, or 6pm EST. Please send it directly to "Vladimir Filkov" <vf...@ucdavis.edu>, CC'ing me, "Seth Frey" <sf...@ucdavis.edu>.
Here is the text:
"""
If the proposal submitted by Drs. Filkov, Frey, Bushouse, and Schweik entitled "GCR: Collaborative Research: Jumpstarting Successful OSS Projects With Evidence Based Rules and Structures" is selected for funding by NSF, it is my intent to collaborate and/or commit resources as detailed in the Project Description or the Facilities, Equipment and Other Resources section of the proposal.
Sincerely,
XXX
"""
And here is a link to an rtf of the text, already formatted:
https://enfascination.com/cloud/index.php/s/5WxZRPK09I46OuV
If you have any questions before signing, I'll be happy to address them.
best,
seth.
Seth Frey
Assistant Professor
Communication, UC Davis
https://enfascination.com/research
recently:
http://doi.org/gdzpj6 — Poker experts encrypt their reasoning with their cards
http://doi.org/cwbz — The dynamics of emotional influence (and self-influence)
http://doi.org/cwb2 — Flocking in what-you-think-I-think-you-think reasoning
> On Jan 26, 2020, at 15:06, Seth Frey <sf...@ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
> Justin,
>
> Sorry, I forgot to CC you. If this makes it more frictionless to turn around, here is a link to a .docx:
> https://enfascination.com/cloud/index.php/s/aocOsOLDVFV4Vpi
>
> If you can, please provide it with letterhead and signature in pdf format.
>
> best,
> seth.
>
>
> Seth Frey
> Assistant Professor
> Communication, UC Davis
> https://enfascination.com/research
>
> recently:
> http://doi.org/gdzpj6 — Poker experts encrypt their reasoning with their cards
> http://doi.org/cwbz — The dynamics of emotional influence (and self-influence)
> http://doi.org/cwb2 — Flocking in what-you-think-I-think-you-think reasoning
>
>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 01:39, Seth Frey <sf...@ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Justin,
>>
>> It turns out the text of the letter is minimal: we've been advised to keep it as spare and cookie cutter as possible, with any specifics better placed in the proposal than the latter.
>>
>> """
>> If the proposal submitted by Dr. Filkov entitled "GCR: Collaborative Research: Jumpstarting Successful OSS Projects With Evidence Based Rules and Structures" is selected for funding by NSF, it is my intent to collaborate and/or commit resources as detailed in the Project Description or the Facilities, Equipment and Other Resources section of the proposal.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> XXX
>> """
>>
>> And here is the corresponding blurb on ASF's role that we'll be putting in the main proposal text (point #2):
>> """
>> To extend our relevance, reach, and impact, we will leverage in this project data, knowhow, and network connections from the academic and OSS communities relevant to this proposal. In particular, (1) the personnel of NSF RCN grant #1917908, on the subject of coordinating efforts for rules/policy extractions from online sources, has agreed on supporting us in our efforts of automating rule/policy extractions, with their knowhow and data; (2) leaders from the ASF Incubator have agreed to support us through introductions and networking with their member projects as we pursue interviews and surveys with them; (3) members from the OSGeo foundation have agreed to support us through introductions and networking with their member projects as we pursue interviews and surveys with them; (4) personnel from the NSF Medium grant #1901311, on the subject of understanding sustainability in OSS projects, has agreed on mutual data exchange with our project. Submitted with this proposal are letters of collaboration from each of them.
>> """
>> By the same advice that informed the choice to go boilerplate, you'll see that we now do commit you to providing some manner of concrete assistance. Let us know if you have a better idea for that phrasing.
>>
>> I don't know what you prefer for word processing and/or letterhead. If the most straightforward route for you is to copy and paste the text of the letter into a more formal format, go ahead. If you'd like me to resend it in the form of a collaborative doc or file via some preferred platform format (I imagine that .docx and Google Docs are formally or culturally discouraged), let me know, so I can minimize the inconvenience to you for supporting us.
>>
>>
>> best,
>> seth.
>>
>> Seth Frey
>> Assistant Professor
>> Communication, UC Davis
>> https://enfascination.com/research
>>
>> recently:
>> http://doi.org/gdzpj6 — Poker experts encrypt their reasoning with their cards
>> http://doi.org/cwbz — The dynamics of emotional influence (and self-influence)
>> http://doi.org/cwb2 — Flocking in what-you-think-I-think-you-think reasoning
>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 16:06, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>>> I as the V.P Incubator would be willing to sign that.
>>>>
>>>> I've drafted a note. I'm still learning the culture: shall I send it to the list or directly to you?
>>>
>>> The list generally drops attachments, just send it directly to me, or better still send an email to the list with a link to download it.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Justin
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>>>
>>
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Re: Inquiry about researching ASF Incubator
Posted by Seth Frey <sf...@ucdavis.edu>.
Justin,
Sorry, I forgot to CC you. If this makes it more frictionless to turn around, here is a link to a .docx:
https://enfascination.com/cloud/index.php/s/aocOsOLDVFV4Vpi
If you can, please provide it with letterhead and signature in pdf format.
best,
seth.
Seth Frey
Assistant Professor
Communication, UC Davis
https://enfascination.com/research
recently:
http://doi.org/gdzpj6 — Poker experts encrypt their reasoning with their cards
http://doi.org/cwbz — The dynamics of emotional influence (and self-influence)
http://doi.org/cwb2 — Flocking in what-you-think-I-think-you-think reasoning
> On Jan 24, 2020, at 01:39, Seth Frey <sf...@ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
> Justin,
>
> It turns out the text of the letter is minimal: we've been advised to keep it as spare and cookie cutter as possible, with any specifics better placed in the proposal than the latter.
>
> """
> If the proposal submitted by Dr. Filkov entitled "GCR: Collaborative Research: Jumpstarting Successful OSS Projects With Evidence Based Rules and Structures" is selected for funding by NSF, it is my intent to collaborate and/or commit resources as detailed in the Project Description or the Facilities, Equipment and Other Resources section of the proposal.
>
> Sincerely,
> XXX
> """
>
> And here is the corresponding blurb on ASF's role that we'll be putting in the main proposal text (point #2):
> """
> To extend our relevance, reach, and impact, we will leverage in this project data, knowhow, and network connections from the academic and OSS communities relevant to this proposal. In particular, (1) the personnel of NSF RCN grant #1917908, on the subject of coordinating efforts for rules/policy extractions from online sources, has agreed on supporting us in our efforts of automating rule/policy extractions, with their knowhow and data; (2) leaders from the ASF Incubator have agreed to support us through introductions and networking with their member projects as we pursue interviews and surveys with them; (3) members from the OSGeo foundation have agreed to support us through introductions and networking with their member projects as we pursue interviews and surveys with them; (4) personnel from the NSF Medium grant #1901311, on the subject of understanding sustainability in OSS projects, has agreed on mutual data exchange with our project. Submitted with this proposal are letters of collaboration from each of them.
> """
> By the same advice that informed the choice to go boilerplate, you'll see that we now do commit you to providing some manner of concrete assistance. Let us know if you have a better idea for that phrasing.
>
> I don't know what you prefer for word processing and/or letterhead. If the most straightforward route for you is to copy and paste the text of the letter into a more formal format, go ahead. If you'd like me to resend it in the form of a collaborative doc or file via some preferred platform format (I imagine that .docx and Google Docs are formally or culturally discouraged), let me know, so I can minimize the inconvenience to you for supporting us.
>
>
> best,
> seth.
>
> Seth Frey
> Assistant Professor
> Communication, UC Davis
> https://enfascination.com/research
>
> recently:
> http://doi.org/gdzpj6 — Poker experts encrypt their reasoning with their cards
> http://doi.org/cwbz — The dynamics of emotional influence (and self-influence)
> http://doi.org/cwb2 — Flocking in what-you-think-I-think-you-think reasoning
>
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 16:06, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>>> I as the V.P Incubator would be willing to sign that.
>>>
>>> I've drafted a note. I'm still learning the culture: shall I send it to the list or directly to you?
>>
>> The list generally drops attachments, just send it directly to me, or better still send an email to the list with a link to download it.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Justin
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>
>
> B�KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKCB�� [��X��ܚX�KK[XZ[��[�\�[ ][��X��ܚX�P[��X�]܋�\X�K�ܙ�B��܈Y][ۘ[��[X[� �K[XZ[��[�\�[ Z[ [��X�]܋�\X�K�ܙ�B
Re: Inquiry about researching ASF Incubator
Posted by Seth Frey <sf...@ucdavis.edu>.
Justin,
It turns out the text of the letter is minimal: we've been advised to keep it as spare and cookie cutter as possible, with any specifics better placed in the proposal than the latter.
"""
If the proposal submitted by Dr. Filkov entitled "GCR: Collaborative Research: Jumpstarting Successful OSS Projects With Evidence Based Rules and Structures" is selected for funding by NSF, it is my intent to collaborate and/or commit resources as detailed in the Project Description or the Facilities, Equipment and Other Resources section of the proposal.
Sincerely,
XXX
"""
And here is the corresponding blurb on ASF's role that we'll be putting in the main proposal text (point #2):
"""
To extend our relevance, reach, and impact, we will leverage in this project data, knowhow, and network connections from the academic and OSS communities relevant to this proposal. In particular, (1) the personnel of NSF RCN grant #1917908, on the subject of coordinating efforts for rules/policy extractions from online sources, has agreed on supporting us in our efforts of automating rule/policy extractions, with their knowhow and data; (2) leaders from the ASF Incubator have agreed to support us through introductions and networking with their member projects as we pursue interviews and surveys with them; (3) members from the OSGeo foundation have agreed to support us through introductions and networking with their member projects as we pursue interviews and surveys with them; (4) personnel from the NSF Medium grant #1901311, on the subject of understanding sustainability in OSS projects, has agreed on mutual data exchange with our project. Submitted with this proposal are letters of collaboration from each of them.
"""
By the same advice that informed the choice to go boilerplate, you'll see that we now do commit you to providing some manner of concrete assistance. Let us know if you have a better idea for that phrasing.
I don't know what you prefer for word processing and/or letterhead. If the most straightforward route for you is to copy and paste the text of the letter into a more formal format, go ahead. If you'd like me to resend it in the form of a collaborative doc or file via some preferred platform format (I imagine that .docx and Google Docs are formally or culturally discouraged), let me know, so I can minimize the inconvenience to you for supporting us.
best,
seth.
Seth Frey
Assistant Professor
Communication, UC Davis
https://enfascination.com/research
recently:
http://doi.org/gdzpj6 — Poker experts encrypt their reasoning with their cards
http://doi.org/cwbz — The dynamics of emotional influence (and self-influence)
http://doi.org/cwb2 — Flocking in what-you-think-I-think-you-think reasoning
> On Jan 22, 2020, at 16:06, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>>> I as the V.P Incubator would be willing to sign that.
>>
>> I've drafted a note. I'm still learning the culture: shall I send it to the list or directly to you?
>
> The list generally drops attachments, just send it directly to me, or better still send an email to the list with a link to download it.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
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>
Re: Inquiry about researching ASF Incubator
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
>> I as the V.P Incubator would be willing to sign that.
>
> I've drafted a note. I'm still learning the culture: shall I send it to the list or directly to you?
The list generally drops attachments, just send it directly to me, or better still send an email to the list with a link to download it.
Kind Regards,
Justin
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Re: Inquiry about researching ASF Incubator
Posted by Seth Frey <sf...@ucdavis.edu>.
Justin,
This is all excellent news. Thank you for the support.
> I as the V.P Incubator would be willing to sign that.
I've drafted a note. I'm still learning the culture: shall I send it to the list or directly to you?
> Thanks for your email. The Incubator welcomes any research done on open source and would be interested in the results of that research. If you need any help we’ll be happy to provide what you need, but just be mindful we are volunteers here and that it may sometimes take time to get a response or information that you need.
Yes, I've been on the volunteer side of a volunteer-run project, so I appreciate that.
> We do have that information under version control includes the page itself [1] and the data that it's generated from e.g. [2][3].
Ah, of course you do. Perfect.
best,
seth.
Seth Frey
Assistant Professor
Communication, UC Davis
https://enfascination.com/research
recently:
http://doi.org/gdzpj6 — Poker experts encrypt their reasoning with their cards
http://doi.org/cwbz — The dynamics of emotional influence (and self-influence)
http://doi.org/cwb2 — Flocking in what-you-think-I-think-you-think reasoning
> On Jan 19, 2020, at 13:45, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> HI Seth,
>
> Thanks for your email. The Incubator welcomes any research done on open source and would be interested in the results of that research. If you need any help we’ll be happy to provide what you need, but just be mindful we are volunteers here and that it may sometimes take time to get a response or information that you need.
>
>> THE ASK: It would be great if you would kindly consider supporting this project of ours, by providing a short letter of interest/support that I can enclose with our grant application. Would any committee members here be willing to sign a letter of support for this research?
>
> I as the V.P Incubator would be willing to sign that.
>
>> p.s. While I have you, I was rooting around Clutch with fingers crossed that I can find an archive of its reports over time.
>
> We do have that information under version control includes the page itself [1] and the data that it's generated from e.g. [2][3].
>
>> I'll resort to Wayback Machine in a pinch, or reconstructing past reports from Board minutes, but if there's direct access to the complete raw data, I'd love to know about it.
>
> The board reports collated by project (under podling reports) can be found here [4], but are also under version control so you can get the history of those as well if needed.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://github.com/apache/incubator/tree/asf-site/content/clutch
> 2. https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/
> 3. https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml
> 4 https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/
>
>
>
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Re: Inquiry about researching ASF Incubator
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI Seth,
Thanks for your email. The Incubator welcomes any research done on open source and would be interested in the results of that research. If you need any help we’ll be happy to provide what you need, but just be mindful we are volunteers here and that it may sometimes take time to get a response or information that you need.
> THE ASK: It would be great if you would kindly consider supporting this project of ours, by providing a short letter of interest/support that I can enclose with our grant application. Would any committee members here be willing to sign a letter of support for this research?
I as the V.P Incubator would be willing to sign that.
> p.s. While I have you, I was rooting around Clutch with fingers crossed that I can find an archive of its reports over time.
We do have that information under version control includes the page itself [1] and the data that it's generated from e.g. [2][3].
> I'll resort to Wayback Machine in a pinch, or reconstructing past reports from Board minutes, but if there's direct access to the complete raw data, I'd love to know about it.
The board reports collated by project (under podling reports) can be found here [4], but are also under version control so you can get the history of those as well if needed.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://github.com/apache/incubator/tree/asf-site/content/clutch
2. https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/
3. https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml
4 https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/
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