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Posted to dev@mxnet.apache.org by Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org> on 2018/08/08 19:13:15 UTC
Help with understanding docs
Hi,
I had a bit of time recently to walk through some of the getting started docs. First time setup of mxnet is really well described and worked seamlessly.
Next step was going through some getting started examples - the straight dope docs linked from the mxnet setup page were useful for that.
There are a couple questions though that were confusing to me:
The docs are called Gluon Straight Dope, but hosted under: https://gluon.mxnet.io
Doing a whois without any further deep checking for mxnet.io the entry revealed a German GmbH as owner?
That caught my curiosity so I dug a little deeper:
The site seems to also host what looks like mxnet models, directing users towards muli@cs.cmu.edu for more information (http://data.mxnet.io/).
It also seems to host the mxnet user discuss forum: Http://discuss.mxnet.io
As well as a mxnet blog in Chinese: Http://zh.mxnet.io
And the docs for another project: https://gluon-nlp.mxnet.io/
Now I'm left puzzled as to what of the content on the site is specific to mxnet, how much of the content is vital to the project (after all mxnet docs link to it very prominently) and how much influence the Apache mxnet PMC has on these resources.
On first sight it looks like a leftover that hasn't made the migration to asf infra yet, but I couldn't find a ticket related to that, so not sure if that guess is accurate. I'd appreciate someone explain the story and resolve my confusion.
Isabel
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Re: Help with understanding docs
Posted by Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 02:39:22PM -0700, Mu Li wrote:
> > Going through the hosted subdomains that seems not quite correct (or the
> > content hosted is not entirely correct):
> >
> > "Welcome to the MxNet discussion forum." Is what I get as a greeting
> > navigating to discuss.mxnet.io
Am I right with assuming that this is pending evaluation wrt. to capability to
attract new committers and if found useful, something that likely the PMC as a
whole would want control over?
> "This site faciliates data sharing for the MXNet project" is what I get
> > navigating to data.mxnet.io
>
> This site is deprecated (created before mxnet went to apache), we still
> kept it alive because some old codes may need data from it.
ACK.
> > https://gluon-nlp.mxnet.io/ looks like something you describe. Not sure
> > who exactly is behind it in a legal sense (maybe this helps with
> > understanding where my confusion/worry I coming from for it:
> > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/success-at-apache-the-apache1 )
> >
> gluon-nlp and gluon-cv are two packaged based on gluon. It's still on early
> developing, we are considering to either donote them to apache or merge
> into mxnet when they are in a more mature sitation. At the same time, we
> are consualting lawyers for the trademark issue, e.g. if gluon is a
> trade-mark owned by Apache.
Meh for the legal hurdles. As for my personal opinion: While a lot of projects
come to Apache through the incubator, I find it easier if projects are pulled
in rather earlier than later.
Especially if you are thinking about merging that into mxnet it sounds like it
would make an aweful lot of sense to keep the Apache mxnet project in the loop
early on.
> > https://zh.mxnet.io ... From what little I understand this looks like
> > some Apache mxnet blog in Chinese?
> >
> > It's a placeholder for the Chinese translated mxnet documents. Currently
> it's just a simple index page.
I know that at least httpd has their docs hosted on their main web page in
multiple languages. Translating docs can be a very low barrier entry for new
contributors. Instead of hosting that on an external site, I think it would
make sense to pull that into the main docs.
> > What I find confusing as well is that at least some of the content looks
> > like it might be official project content (it's even linked to from
> > official project docs), except it seems like it's not controlled by the
> > project?
<- is that assumption correct?
Isabel
Re: Help with understanding docs
Posted by Mu Li <mu...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>
wrote:
>
>
> Am 8. August 2018 21:34:47 MESZ schrieb Tianqi Chen <
> tqchen@cs.washington.edu>:
> >As far as I understand, these are packages that are build on top of
> >gluon
> >and runs on MXNet,
>
> Going through the hosted subdomains that seems not quite correct (or the
> content hosted is not entirely correct):
>
> "Welcome to the MxNet discussion forum." Is what I get as a greeting
> navigating to discuss.mxnet.io
>
"This site faciliates data sharing for the MXNet project" is what I get
> navigating to data.mxnet.io
This site is deprecated (created before mxnet went to apache), we still
kept it alive because some old codes may need data from it.
>
>
> https://gluon-nlp.mxnet.io/ looks like something you describe. Not sure
> who exactly is behind it in a legal sense (maybe this helps with
> understanding where my confusion/worry I coming from for it:
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/success-at-apache-the-apache1 )
>
gluon-nlp and gluon-cv are two packaged based on gluon. It's still on early
developing, we are considering to either donote them to apache or merge
into mxnet when they are in a more mature sitation. At the same time, we
are consualting lawyers for the trademark issue, e.g. if gluon is a
trade-mark owned by Apache.
>
> https://zh.mxnet.io ... From what little I understand this looks like
> some Apache mxnet blog in Chinese?
>
> It's a placeholder for the Chinese translated mxnet documents. Currently
it's just a simple index page.
> Plus the docs on gluon/mxnet hosted there.
>
>
> >I personally feel it is great to see ecosystem build and content on top
> >of
> >what we are building
>
> Same here: ecosystem building on top and around clearly is great.
>
> What I find confusing is the mixture of content (mxnet specific, gluon
> specific, both) which makes it hard for me as a user to discern which is
> which.
>
> What I find confusing as well is that at least some of the content looks
> like it might be official project content (it's even linked to from
> official project docs), except it seems like it's not controlled by the
> project?
>
> Isabel
>
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>
Re: Help with understanding docs
Posted by Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>.
Am 8. August 2018 21:34:47 MESZ schrieb Tianqi Chen <tq...@cs.washington.edu>:
>As far as I understand, these are packages that are build on top of
>gluon
>and runs on MXNet,
Going through the hosted subdomains that seems not quite correct (or the content hosted is not entirely correct):
"Welcome to the MxNet discussion forum." Is what I get as a greeting navigating to discuss.mxnet.io
"This site faciliates data sharing for the MXNet project" is what I get navigating to data.mxnet.io
https://gluon-nlp.mxnet.io/ looks like something you describe. Not sure who exactly is behind it in a legal sense (maybe this helps with understanding where my confusion/worry I coming from for it: https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/success-at-apache-the-apache1 )
https://zh.mxnet.io ... From what little I understand this looks like some Apache mxnet blog in Chinese?
Plus the docs on gluon/mxnet hosted there.
>I personally feel it is great to see ecosystem build and content on top
>of
>what we are building
Same here: ecosystem building on top and around clearly is great.
What I find confusing is the mixture of content (mxnet specific, gluon specific, both) which makes it hard for me as a user to discern which is which.
What I find confusing as well is that at least some of the content looks like it might be official project content (it's even linked to from official project docs), except it seems like it's not controlled by the project?
Isabel
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Re: Help with understanding docs
Posted by Tianqi Chen <tq...@cs.washington.edu>.
As far as I understand, these are packages that are build on top of gluon
and runs on MXNet, it is up to the maintainers of these packages as well
the the comitters to decide whether they want to put it into MXNet master.
I personally feel it is great to see ecosystem build and content on top of
what we are building
Tianqi
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:26 PM Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>
wrote:
>
>
> Am 8. August 2018 21:17:44 MESZ schrieb Mu Li <mu...@gmail.com>:
> >MXNet's website is http://mxnet.incubator.apache.org/. I own mxnet.io,
> >which was mxnet's main site before, but now we are using its subdomains
> >to
> >host various packages in the mxnet ecosystem.
>
> I'm still confused: There's what looks like content vital to the project
> owned and controlled privately by one project member? Is the intention to
> move that stuff over to mxnet.incubator or to keep it where it is?
>
> Isabel
>
> --
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
>
Re: Help with understanding docs
Posted by Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>.
Am 8. August 2018 21:17:44 MESZ schrieb Mu Li <mu...@gmail.com>:
>MXNet's website is http://mxnet.incubator.apache.org/. I own mxnet.io,
>which was mxnet's main site before, but now we are using its subdomains
>to
>host various packages in the mxnet ecosystem.
I'm still confused: There's what looks like content vital to the project owned and controlled privately by one project member? Is the intention to move that stuff over to mxnet.incubator or to keep it where it is?
Isabel
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Re: Help with understanding docs
Posted by Mu Li <mu...@gmail.com>.
MXNet's website is http://mxnet.incubator.apache.org/. I own mxnet.io,
which was mxnet's main site before, but now we are using its subdomains to
host various packages in the mxnet ecosystem.
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:13 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I had a bit of time recently to walk through some of the getting started
> docs. First time setup of mxnet is really well described and worked
> seamlessly.
>
> Next step was going through some getting started examples - the straight
> dope docs linked from the mxnet setup page were useful for that.
>
> There are a couple questions though that were confusing to me:
>
> The docs are called Gluon Straight Dope, but hosted under:
> https://gluon.mxnet.io
>
> Doing a whois without any further deep checking for mxnet.io the entry
> revealed a German GmbH as owner?
>
> That caught my curiosity so I dug a little deeper:
>
> The site seems to also host what looks like mxnet models, directing users
> towards muli@cs.cmu.edu for more information (http://data.mxnet.io/).
>
> It also seems to host the mxnet user discuss forum:
> Http://discuss.mxnet.io
>
> As well as a mxnet blog in Chinese: Http://zh.mxnet.io
>
> And the docs for another project: https://gluon-nlp.mxnet.io/
>
> Now I'm left puzzled as to what of the content on the site is specific to
> mxnet, how much of the content is vital to the project (after all mxnet
> docs link to it very prominently) and how much influence the Apache mxnet
> PMC has on these resources.
>
> On first sight it looks like a leftover that hasn't made the migration to
> asf infra yet, but I couldn't find a ticket related to that, so not sure if
> that guess is accurate. I'd appreciate someone explain the story and
> resolve my confusion.
>
>
> Isabel
>
>
>
>
> --
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet.