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Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list
so we can have other opinions. I realize everyone will have a different
opinion on the subject and some will have none at all, linux is linux and
unix is unix. So I would like to hear users experiences using different
operating systems. Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems
I'm most interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and
OpenSolaris.
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Michael Monnerie <m....@zmi.at>.
On Donnerstag, 6. April 2006 21:12 Ask List wrote:
> The operating systems
> I'm most interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware,
Those are all Linux, use what you like or know best.
> FreeBSDs, and OpenSolaris.
I've heard FreeBSD should be secure, OpenSolaris I don't know at all.
Generally, use the distro that you are most familiar with. Probably you
want to have the least possible amount of work to keep the server
running. For that reason I use SUSE Linux: I know it, it works, and has
quick security updates.
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Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by jdow <jd...@earthlink.net>.
From: "Ask List" <as...@gmail.com>
We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list
so we can have other opinions. I realize everyone will have a different
opinion on the subject and some will have none at all, linux is linux and
unix is unix. So I would like to hear users experiences using different
operating systems. Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems
I'm most interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and
OpenSolaris.
<< jdow >> Pick your poison and go with it. Don't pick the OS to fit
SpamAssassin unless XP is on the list. SpamAssassin can run on windows.
Evidence suggests it's a pain to setup.
If you have a recent perl on the OS then you can run SA. It'll even
have a pretty good chance of working if you have a network connected, too.
{^_^}
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Mike Jackson <mj...@barking-dog.net>.
My "personal" server runs FreeBSD along with Sendmail, procmail, and
Courier-IMAP. My employer's servers run Redhat Enterprise Linux along with
Sendmail, procmail, and Courier-IMAP. I'm much more comfortable with
FreeBSD, which is why I continue to use it on my own system. At work, we got
roped into using Redhat by Rackspace, where we host our boxes.
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From: "Ask List" <as...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:12
Subject: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list
so we can have other opinions. I realize everyone will have a different
opinion on the subject and some will have none at all, linux is linux and
unix is unix. So I would like to hear users experiences using different
operating systems. Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems
I'm most interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and
OpenSolaris.
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Johann Spies <js...@sun.ac.za>.
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 12:12:25PM -0700, Ask List wrote:
> linux and unix is unix. So I would like to hear users experiences using
> different operating systems. Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The
> operating systems I'm most interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo,
> Slackware, FreeBSDs, and OpenSolaris.
Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo and Slackware (add about 100 other Linux
distributions) are not different operating systems. They all use the
Linux kernel and software and in many cases the same version of it.
They are just different distributions of the same operating system.
And by the way, we use Debian here.
Regards.
Johann
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Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Ryan Kather <rd...@roushind.com>.
> We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
> spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list
> so we can have other opinions. I realize everyone will have a different
> opinion on the subject and some will have none at all, linux is linux and
> unix is unix. So I would like to hear users experiences using different
> operating systems. Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems
> I'm most interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and
> OpenSolaris.
Now why do you have to go start a flame war ;). I guess I'll add my 2 cents.
Let me start by saying they're all great choices (though I can't comment on
OpenSolaris). I prefer Linux.
It seems to me that more and more development is becoming Linux centric. It
makes sense since it definitely seems to have a larger user base (though I'm
sure SA is very much developed with BSD and Linux in mind). I know when I
moved from FreeBSD to Linux I definitely noticed a performance improvement.
This has also been very well documented several times.. In most situations
Linux outperforms BSD (though often at the cost of stability).
Here's one such test, though it is slightly old FreeBSD 5.1 and Linux Kernel
2.6.0-test7.
http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/
It also seems that Linux gets a lot more interesting features, IMO. Reiser4,
SELinux, LVM2 (does FreeBSD have that with online volume resizing and
snapshots?).
I would say you should analyze your needs. What are you most comfortable
with? You'll be happy with Linux or FreeBSD, so it's more a matter of
personal preference. For a rule of thumb maybe you could say; If I want to
be stability centric == FreeBSD, if I want to be feature and/or speed centric
== Linux. (Knowing that both are faster then *Certain* other operating
systems)
As for my choice in Linux:
I personally like SLES (SUSE Linux Enterprise Server) for my servers. Very
nice update features, solid stability and performance, decent package
selection, and YaST is quite nice if you don't like hand editing config
files. You don't need a gui to run it since it has full ncurses support
(RHEL's tool doesn't I believe). SLES 10 is due out this summer too with
some impressive bundling (XEN for one).
Ubuntu seems a bit desktop focused for me as far as serving is concerned.
Debian stable is too old, but apt is amazing and as someone else mentioned
you can mix stable, unstable, and testing packages together so it's really no
big deal. Can't really comment on Slackware having only used it a few times,
though I think it could use some better package management from what I
remember.
Gentoo is amazing. I would definitely say you should run Gentoo if you want a
testing environment for bleeding edge features. It makes a fine server too
if you have a few boxes and can use distcc to reduce the time to update
packages and distribute load so users don't notice. I have had a few cases
where ebuilds have been broken. That's not fun. It's definitely not the
most stable for a server, but you can't beat it's package management,
customization (except for maybe LFS), and speed.
Ryan
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Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Kevin Golding <ke...@caomhin.demon.co.uk>.
In article <08...@laika>, Mike Jackson
<mj...@barking-dog.net> writes
>> The question is does FreeBSD make binary package updates, or are security
>> updates source-patch only.
>
>>From what I've observed, the base OS updates are source-patch only, at least
>until the next full FreeBSD release. Anything that's in the ports tree
>should be available as either a source update or as a binary package, though
>the binaries lag being the source ports slightly.
The base OS has unofficial support for binary updates:
<http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-update/>
Colin (who runs that) is a member of the FreeBSD security team so it's
not exactly a bunch of nobodies running it in some scary corner, but
it's not officially part of the main project either.
Kevin
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Gary V <mr...@hotmail.com>.
I can't say I'm a huge fan of Debian, but it is still my number one choice.
The biggest plus is the apt package system and the ability to mix 'stable',
'testing' and 'unstable' packages. You can leave the heart of the system
with tried and true (and constantly debugged) older stable packages and mix
and match them with newer ones and apt will always follow dependencies. You
can also simulate what apt would do before you do it and it will suggest
related packages too. The whole system appears intelligently structured,
rather that simply a collection of packages. Sometimes I do get frustrated
with some of the package maintainers doing things that that are unnecessary
(or just not doing things I would like to see them do) but generally these
problems are easy to work around. I have a lot of respect for them because I
get this feeling that they work harder than maintainers do at other free
distros (and free was a big deciding factor for me). I have used RH9, Fedora
Core 1 and 4, tried FreeBSD (which I also like), and played with Trustix but
still prefer Debian. There are a fair number of distros based on Debian so
someone must like it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian
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Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Mike Jackson <mj...@barking-dog.net>.
> The question is does FreeBSD make binary package updates, or are security
> updates source-patch only.
>From what I've observed, the base OS updates are source-patch only, at least
until the next full FreeBSD release. Anything that's in the ports tree
should be available as either a source update or as a binary package, though
the binaries lag being the source ports slightly.
You have to keep in mind that unlike most Linux distros, the BSDs (at least
FreeBSD, the only one I've used) do not treat everything as part of the OS.
Some apps (Sendmail, BIND, OpenSSH, etc.) are distributed as part of the OS;
others (Perl, SpamAssassin, Apache, etc.) are treated as additions. I think
of it like power-ups in video games. The Linux approach is like Mario eating
a mushroom and growing in size - it changes your basic structure. The BSD
approach is like picking up a new gun - still separate, but usable.
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>.
Eric W. Bates wrote:
> Matt Kettler wrote:
>> Ask List wrote:
>>
>> FreeBSD - Never used it. Seems quite server ready, although I'm not sure if they
>> do binary package updates, or only source-patches (like OpenBSD does).
>
> FreeBSD house for many years.
>
> Yes, you can install precompiled binaries if you prefer. However, you
> lose the ability to twiddle your own compile knobs; so our preferred
> practice is to always build from source.
>
Yes, I know you can install from binary. You can do that with OpenBSD too.
The question is does FreeBSD make binary package updates, or are security
updates source-patch only.
Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by jdow <jd...@earthlink.net>.
From: "Ed Kasky" <ed...@esson.net>
> At 05:36 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, Matt Kettler wrote -=>
>>Ed Kasky wrote:
>> > Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
>> > Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
>> >
>> > My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
>> > OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
>> >
>> > Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf files. A
>> > locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
>> >
>>
>>
>>Hmm, what are the permissions on /etc/mail/spamassassin and
>>/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf?
>>
>>Any chance either or both are owner-only and not readable by the spamd user?
>
> ls -al /etc/mail/spamassassin/
> drwxr-xr-x 6 spamd spamd 4096 Apr 6 17:14 .
> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 6 11:34 ..
> -rw-r--r-- 1 spamd spamd 8275 Apr 6 17:14
> /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf
>
> Very weird behavior....
Out of curiosity is /home/spamd a jail? If so what is in that jail?
{^_^}
Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net>.
At 05:36 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, Matt Kettler wrote -=>
>Ed Kasky wrote:
> > At 04:59 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
> >> Ed Kasky wrote:
> >> > At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
> >> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
> >> >> > required_hits 6.9
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
> >> >> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
> >> >> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
> >> >> > coming from?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
> >> >>
> >> >> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
> >> >> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
> >> >> something else?
> >> >>
> >> >> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
> >> >> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
> >> >>
> >> >> So we need more information to answer your question.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
> >> >
> >> > :0fw
> >> > * < 300000
> >> > | spamc -f -u spamd
> >> >
> >>
> >> Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
> >>
> >> Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still
> >> accepted, but
> >> the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future,
> >> support for
> >> required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it
> >> might be worth
> >> changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
> >
> > I usually edit the local.cf via a script that reloads spamd if there are
> > any changes. I even re-started it just this morning to see if that was
> > the case but it still kept using the 5.0 score.
> >
> > I forgot to mention before that "spamassassin -D --lint" was using the
> > 6.9 as threshold but spamc was using 5.0. I changed the line in the cf
> > to required_score 6.9 and now a lint shows:
> > dbg: check: is spam? score=3.586 required=7
> >
> > Does it round using required_score?
>
>It should behave the same as when using required_hits.
>
>Required_hits is merely an alias for required_score, they can't
>behave differently.
>
> > Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
> > Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
> >
> > My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
> > OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
> >
> > Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf files. A
> > locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
> >
>
>
>Hmm, what are the permissions on /etc/mail/spamassassin and
>/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf?
>
>Any chance either or both are owner-only and not readable by the spamd user?
ls -al /etc/mail/spamassassin/
drwxr-xr-x 6 spamd spamd 4096 Apr 6 17:14 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 6 11:34 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 spamd spamd 8275 Apr 6 17:14
/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf
Very weird behavior....
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Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net>.
At 05:36 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, Matt Kettler wrote -=>
>Hmm, what are the permissions on /etc/mail/spamassassin and
>/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf?
>
>Any chance either or both are owner-only and not readable by the spamd user?
I think I finally found what was causing the problem. I had used
sa-update and it appears that the required_score line in 10_misc.cf
was over-riding local.cf. Will placing the updated files in a
directory other than /usr/share/spamassassin or /var/lib/spamassassin
cause this behavior??
Anyway, I fixed the location of the updated cf's and it's back to the
proper threshold.
If my current default rules dir is /usr/share/spamassassin, and site
rules dir is /etc/mail/spamassassin, what should I use for --updatedir?
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Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>.
Ed Kasky wrote:
> At 04:59 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>> Ed Kasky wrote:
>> > At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
>> >> > required_hits 6.9
>> >> >
>> >> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
>> >> >
>> >> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
>> >> >
>> >> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
>> >> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
>> >> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
>> >> > coming from?
>> >> >
>> >> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
>> >>
>> >> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
>> >> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
>> >> something else?
>> >>
>> >> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
>> >> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
>> >>
>> >> So we need more information to answer your question.
>> >
>> > Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
>> >
>> > :0fw
>> > * < 300000
>> > | spamc -f -u spamd
>> >
>>
>> Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
>>
>> Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still
>> accepted, but
>> the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future,
>> support for
>> required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it
>> might be worth
>> changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
>
> I usually edit the local.cf via a script that reloads spamd if there are
> any changes. I even re-started it just this morning to see if that was
> the case but it still kept using the 5.0 score.
>
> I forgot to mention before that "spamassassin -D --lint" was using the
> 6.9 as threshold but spamc was using 5.0. I changed the line in the cf
> to required_score 6.9 and now a lint shows:
> dbg: check: is spam? score=3.586 required=7
>
> Does it round using required_score?
It should behave the same as when using required_hits.
Required_hits is merely an alias for required_score, they can't behave differently.
>
> Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
> Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
>
> My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
> OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
>
> Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf files. A
> locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
>
Hmm, what are the permissions on /etc/mail/spamassassin and
/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf?
Any chance either or both are owner-only and not readable by the spamd user?
Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by jdow <jd...@earthlink.net>.
From: "Ed Kasky" <ed...@esson.net>
To: "Matt Kettler" <mk...@evi-inc.com>
Cc: <us...@spamassassin.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 17:26
Subject: Re: required_hits not working?
> At 04:59 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>>Ed Kasky wrote:
>> > At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
>> >> > required_hits 6.9
>> >> >
>> >> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
>> >> >
>> >> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
>> >> >
>> >> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
>> >> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
>> >> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
>> >> > coming from?
>> >> >
>> >> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
>> >>
>> >> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
>> >> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
>> >> something else?
>> >>
>> >> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
>> >> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
>> >>
>> >> So we need more information to answer your question.
>> >
>> > Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
>> >
>> > :0fw
>> > * < 300000
>> > | spamc -f -u spamd
>> >
>>
>>Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
>>
>>Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still
>>accepted, but
>>the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future,
>>support for
>>required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it
>>might be worth
>>changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
>
> I usually edit the local.cf via a script that reloads spamd if there
> are any changes. I even re-started it just this morning to see if
> that was the case but it still kept using the 5.0 score.
>
> I forgot to mention before that "spamassassin -D --lint" was using
> the 6.9 as threshold but spamc was using 5.0. I changed the line in
> the cf to required_score 6.9 and now a lint shows:
> dbg: check: is spam? score=3.586 required=7
>
> Does it round using required_score?
>
> Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
> Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
>
> My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
> OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
>
> Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf
> files. A locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
Per user rules with default required_score in the user_prefs files?
{^_^}
Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net>.
At 04:59 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>Ed Kasky wrote:
> > At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
> >> > required_hits 6.9
> >> >
> >> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
> >> >
> >> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
> >> >
> >> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
> >> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
> >> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
> >> > coming from?
> >> >
> >> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
> >>
> >> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
> >> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
> >> something else?
> >>
> >> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
> >> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
> >>
> >> So we need more information to answer your question.
> >
> > Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
> >
> > :0fw
> > * < 300000
> > | spamc -f -u spamd
> >
>
>Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
>
>Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still
>accepted, but
>the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future,
>support for
>required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it
>might be worth
>changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
I usually edit the local.cf via a script that reloads spamd if there
are any changes. I even re-started it just this morning to see if
that was the case but it still kept using the 5.0 score.
I forgot to mention before that "spamassassin -D --lint" was using
the 6.9 as threshold but spamc was using 5.0. I changed the line in
the cf to required_score 6.9 and now a lint shows:
dbg: check: is spam? score=3.586 required=7
Does it round using required_score?
Anyway, spamc continues to use the 5.0 score after the change and restart:
Apr 6 17:19:34 yoda2 spamd[10978]: spamd: clean message (-101.1/5.0)
My /etc/sysconfig/spamd:
OPTIONS="-d -u spamd -H /home/spamd -m 15"
Last time I had a problem like this, I had multiple local.cf
files. A locate turned up only one instance in /etc/mail/spamassassin.....
Ed Kasky
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Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>.
Ed Kasky wrote:
> At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
>>
>> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
>> > required_hits 6.9
>> >
>> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
>> >
>> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
>> >
>> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
>> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
>> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
>> > coming from?
>> >
>> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
>>
>> What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
>> amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
>> something else?
>>
>> Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
>> engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
>>
>> So we need more information to answer your question.
>
> Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
>
> :0fw
> * < 300000
> | spamc -f -u spamd
>
Any chance you didn't reload spamd after editing local.cf?
Also, for what it's worth, required_hits is deprecated. It's still accepted, but
the preferred option is required_score. At some point in the future, support for
required_hits might go away, so while you're setting things up it might be worth
changing to the newer syntax to avoid future headaches.
Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net>.
At 03:39 PM Thursday, 4/6/2006, you wrote -=>
>On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
>
> > I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
> > required_hits 6.9
> >
> > Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
> >
> > Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
> >
> > It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
> > files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
> > remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
> > coming from?
> >
> > Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
>
>What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
>amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
>something else?
>
>Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
>engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
>
>So we need more information to answer your question.
Sorry about that - I am running spamd and call spamc via procmail:
:0fw
* < 300000
| spamc -f -u spamd
Thanks...
Ed Kasky
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Re: required_hits not working?
Posted by David B Funk <db...@engineering.uiowa.edu>.
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Ed Kasky wrote:
> I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
> required_hits 6.9
>
> Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
>
> Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
>
> It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
> files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
> remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
> coming from?
>
> Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
What mechanism are you using to connect sendmail to SA? Procmail or
amavisd-new or a milter like spamass-milter or MIMEDefang or
something else?
Some of those mechanisms load an instance of SA into their own Perl
engine (EG amavisd-new) and have their own seperate config files.
So we need more information to answer your question.
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Sys_admin/Postmaster/cell_admin Iowa City, IA 52242-1527
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required_hits not working?
Posted by Ed Kasky <ed...@esson.net>.
I have the following in /etc/mail/spamassasin/local.cf
required_hits 6.9
Yet I just noticed the following that started at some point Tuesday:
Content analysis details: (18.3 points, 5.0 required)
It's true for all users. I double checked fro multiple local.cf
files and the user_prefs files. The required_hits lines are
remarked out in the individual user files. Where else might this be
coming from?
Running SA version 3.1.1 with Sendmail 8.13.6
Thanks in advance...
Ed Kasky
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Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by "Eric W. Bates" <er...@vineyard.net>.
Matt Kettler wrote:
> Ask List wrote:
>
> FreeBSD - Never used it. Seems quite server ready, although I'm not sure if they
> do binary package updates, or only source-patches (like OpenBSD does).
FreeBSD house for many years.
Yes, you can install precompiled binaries if you prefer. However, you
lose the ability to twiddle your own compile knobs; so our preferred
practice is to always build from source.
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Claudia Herold <cl...@rz.uni-freiburg.de>.
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:47:01 -0400
Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com> wrote:
> Ask List wrote:
> > Ask List <askthelist <at> gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
> > spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list so
> > we can have other opinions. I realize everyone will have a different opinion on
> > the subject and some will have none at all, linux is linux and unix is unix. So
> > I would like to hear users experiences using different operating systems.
> > Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems I'm most interested in
> > are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and OpenSolaris.
> >
> > I see RedhatEL,Fedora,CentOS is a common theme. Anyone not running a RedHat
> > based distribution
> >
> >
>
> I'm mostly RH/Fed/Cent and OpenBSD.
>
> That said, I can give some subjective commentary on the non-redhat's your
> looking at.
>
> Note that anything I comment on that I've never used, or haven't used recently
> is purely subjective opinion based on watching the communities. Take them with a
> huge grain of salt.
>
> Overall the most important thing about a distro is that it fit your personal
> style of administration. Some folks prefer source patching compiling, some abhor
> it and want a binary-package auto-updater. Some want a nice minimal text-only
> headless server and prefer text-editing config files. Others want the latest
> gnome/kde desktop and want GUI config tools. Keep this all in mind and realize
> my opinions may vary greatly from yours due to MY preferences being different
> from yours.
>
>
> Debian - Never used it. Debian seems to make a pretty reasonable server product.
> They have a highly conservative patch release process for stable releases. This
> is perhaps a bit too conservative for my own tastes, but it is valuable in a
> server environment at times. Debian is more strict about the openness of
> licenses for packages they distribute than most other distros. In some cases
> this strictness takes out some "whiz-bang" tools, but it also keeps you
> relatively free from licensing land mines. If you need a whiz-bang, you can
> always add it from source.
>
> Ubuntu - Never used it. However, being Debian based, SOME of the above applies.
> I get the impression that Ubuntu tries to be more "full featured" than standard
> Debian, compared with Debians more minimalist approach.
>
> Gentoo - I find this distro makes a GREAT developer/test box. However, its
> lengthy setup and "build as you go" model doesn't make well suited for server
> environments. If your choice of compiler options doesn't work with a particular
> package then your run of emerge can get to be a painful mess. However, this same
> model gives you ultimate flexibility, which is great on a devel box.
We use Gentoo on our production servers. Our mailgateways with exim, spamassassin and clamav and our mailserver (Communigate).
It works well. However it's true that it is very time consuming and that you easily mess up your system if you are not careful.
Gentoo has a great online documentation (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml)
Regards,
Claudia
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>.
Ask List wrote:
> Ask List <askthelist <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
> spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list so
> we can have other opinions. I realize everyone will have a different opinion on
> the subject and some will have none at all, linux is linux and unix is unix. So
> I would like to hear users experiences using different operating systems.
> Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems I'm most interested in
> are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and OpenSolaris.
>
> I see RedhatEL,Fedora,CentOS is a common theme. Anyone not running a RedHat
> based distribution
>
>
I'm mostly RH/Fed/Cent and OpenBSD.
That said, I can give some subjective commentary on the non-redhat's your
looking at.
Note that anything I comment on that I've never used, or haven't used recently
is purely subjective opinion based on watching the communities. Take them with a
huge grain of salt.
Overall the most important thing about a distro is that it fit your personal
style of administration. Some folks prefer source patching compiling, some abhor
it and want a binary-package auto-updater. Some want a nice minimal text-only
headless server and prefer text-editing config files. Others want the latest
gnome/kde desktop and want GUI config tools. Keep this all in mind and realize
my opinions may vary greatly from yours due to MY preferences being different
from yours.
Debian - Never used it. Debian seems to make a pretty reasonable server product.
They have a highly conservative patch release process for stable releases. This
is perhaps a bit too conservative for my own tastes, but it is valuable in a
server environment at times. Debian is more strict about the openness of
licenses for packages they distribute than most other distros. In some cases
this strictness takes out some "whiz-bang" tools, but it also keeps you
relatively free from licensing land mines. If you need a whiz-bang, you can
always add it from source.
Ubuntu - Never used it. However, being Debian based, SOME of the above applies.
I get the impression that Ubuntu tries to be more "full featured" than standard
Debian, compared with Debians more minimalist approach.
Gentoo - I find this distro makes a GREAT developer/test box. However, its
lengthy setup and "build as you go" model doesn't make well suited for server
environments. If your choice of compiler options doesn't work with a particular
package then your run of emerge can get to be a painful mess. However, this same
model gives you ultimate flexibility, which is great on a devel box.
Slackware - haven't used this since the early 90's. However, I get the
impression slackware today is a stable but highly minimalist distro. Again, I
could see this being valuable to some server environments, but I've not played
with slackware of late.
FreeBSD - Never used it. Seems quite server ready, although I'm not sure if they
do binary package updates, or only source-patches (like OpenBSD does).
OpenSolaris - Never used it. Strikes me as "like Solaris, only without being as
good as Solaris". I am a distinct non-fan of regular Solaris so I've not taken
OpenSolaris seriously.
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Moritz Kobel <ma...@weisshorn.kobelnet.ch>.
Am Donnerstag, den 06.04.2006, 19:54 +0000 schrieb Ask List:
> Ask List <askthelist <at> gmail.com> writes:
> Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems I'm most interested in
> are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and OpenSolaris.
> >
> I see RedhatEL,Fedora,CentOS is a common theme. Anyone not running a RedHat
> based distribution
We run all our Servers with Debian sarge. Our Mailsetup with
exim4/courier(imap/pop)/clamav/sa works since 1.5 years without
problems.
--
Moritz Kobel <mo...@itds.ch>
Systemadministration http://www.itds.ch
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Vivek Khera <vi...@khera.org>.
On Apr 6, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Ask List wrote:
> I see RedhatEL,Fedora,CentOS is a common theme. Anyone not running
> a RedHat
> based distribution
I use FreeBSD exclusively on servers. But the best advice given here
is use what you are familiar with administering.
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Mark Martinec <Ma...@ijs.si>.
> I see RedhatEL,Fedora,CentOS is a common theme. Anyone not running a RedHat
> based distribution
Our entire servers farm is FreeBSD-based. No complaints there, rock solid.
The ports-based critical components like SA, ClamAV, Postfix, amavisd-new
are very responsive and gives confidence that such software that needs
timely and regular updates like virus scanners and SA (with all its
subordinate Perl modules), will get a necessary attention from ports
maintainers very rapidly.
Mark
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Jonathan Armitage <jo...@hepworthband.co.uk>.
Ask List wrote:
> Ask List <askthelist <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
> spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list so
> we can have other opinions.
>
> I see RedhatEL,Fedora,CentOS is a common theme. Anyone not running a RedHat
> based distribution
>
>
>
>
>
I run a small SpamAssassin/Exim system at home on Solaris 10: It works
fine except for the well known syslog problem.
We use Redhat at work, for much the same reasons as everyone else does.
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Ask List <as...@gmail.com>.
Ask List <askthelist <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list so
we can have other opinions. I realize everyone will have a different opinion on
the subject and some will have none at all, linux is linux and unix is unix. So
I would like to hear users experiences using different operating systems.
Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems I'm most interested in
are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and OpenSolaris.
>
I see RedhatEL,Fedora,CentOS is a common theme. Anyone not running a RedHat
based distribution
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Lars Ringh <la...@bahnhof.net>.
Ask List wrote:
> We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
> spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list
> so we can have other opinions. I realize everyone will have a different
> opinion on the subject and some will have none at all, linux is linux and
> unix is unix. So I would like to hear users experiences using different
> operating systems. Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems
> I'm most interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and
> OpenSolaris.
I've been running the
postfix/amavisd-new/spamassassin/clamd/courier-thingy on loadbalanced
servers with RedHat, Ubuntu and FreeBSD at work, and on Slackware for my
personal server, for about 3 years now. I compile all those packages
myself and never installs the packages that comes with the distribution.
I get similar performance from each of them, although the RedHat (9, not
RHES or whatever it's called) server for some reason always reports
that it's running under a higher load than the others under similar
conditions. Over time that does not seem to matter in form of how much
mail it manages to scan.
I've been very happy with the Ubuntu-setup, but that's just because I
like Ubuntu, not that I can say it's better. I choosed to stay with
Slackware when I set up my new personal server since I've used and liked
Slackware since 1994 and know it pretty well by now. And compiling
everything actually went smoothest on Slackware.
At work our new or re-installed servers in the future will all be
FreeBSD, mostly because their ports-system really makes it so fast and
easy to get it up and running the way we want it to, and since everybody
(but me) at our company are more familiar with FreeBSD. I have not seen
any better performance or stabilty on FreeBSD either.
So, do as other have said before, choose the system you like/know best,
they all seem do the job equally well.
//maccall
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Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Jerry K <sp...@oryx.cc>.
8 mail servers on Solaris 10 Sparc
+custom compiled sendmail
+clamAV
This has been a stable combination for several years for me.
Ask List wrote:
> We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system to run
> spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to the mailing list
> so we can have other opinions. I realize everyone will have a different
> opinion on the subject and some will have none at all, linux is linux and
> unix is unix. So I would like to hear users experiences using different
> operating systems. Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems
> I'm most interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and
> OpenSolaris.
>
RE: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by "Esman, Jason" <je...@venturenet.net>.
CentOS all the way for Servers
Jason
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ask List [mailto:askthelist@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:12 PM
> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
> Subject: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
>
> We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating
> system to run spam assassin. So we have decided to post this
> question to the mailing list so we can have other opinions. I
> realize everyone will have a different opinion on the subject
> and some will have none at all, linux is linux and unix is
> unix. So I would like to hear users experiences using
> different operating systems.
> Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems I'm
> most interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware,
> FreeBSDs, and OpenSolaris.
>
>
>
Re: Which Operating Systems Do You Use and Why?
Posted by Andy Jezierski <aj...@stepan.com>.
"Ask List" <as...@gmail.com> wrote on 04/06/2006 02:12:25 PM:
> We can not seem to come to an agreement on the best operating system
> to run spam assassin. So we have decided to post this question to
> the mailing list so we can have other opinions. I realize everyone
> will have a different opinion on the subject and some will have none
> at all, linux is linux and unix is unix. So I would like to hear
> users experiences using different operating systems.
> Pros/Cons/Problems/Headaches/etc. The operating systems I'm most
> interested in are Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, FreeBSDs, and
> OpenSolaris.
Same here FreeBSD for many years, solid as a rock. You install your base
system, then add on whatever you'd like after that. My last server build
for SA finally got a GUI.
Andy