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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Roy Fielding <fi...@beach.w3.org> on 1995/08/24 17:16:36 UTC
More news
Please let me know what you think and I'll shape the answers
into a respectable reply.
......Roy
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From: "David M. Oliver" <da...@newshare.com>
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Roy,
Have been watching your many posts to the various HTTP lists
and recently "discovered" the Apache HTTP server project you're
associated with. I have a few questions vis a vis Apache I hope you'll
not mind answering.
First, how did the Apache team get together? Will you
"admit new members"?
Secondly, as you can tell from the address, my company
is in the news business. But, right now we find ourselves
in the software business, too - a slightly uncomfortable
position. We're in there, though, because we perceived a
technology need, without which our news strategy would fail.
(God, it might fail anyway!) So we developed a service (in
the client/server sense) that supports user-authentication,
user-profiling and usage-verification across independent
HTTP servers, in a manner that allows all the relevent
information to be kept by the independent servers, not a
central repository -- sort of like BIND name service, actually.
This allows a distributed set of users to access a "universe"
of content without having to register at all sites. We call
the service "Clickshare". I will be very up-front and tell
you that one opportunity of providing this service is that
it enables "micro-billing" on a per-hit basis if desired.
We are finding that the journalism community is interested in
this as a future revenue path, over and above (or indeed instead
of) ad subsidy.
We want content providers to use this service, but our goal
is to enable small new media people in addition to the big
boys. So, we want to keep our HTTP server (the interface to
the Clickshare service) free, but "licensed" so that we can
provide support, etc. Our work is currently based on the
1.4.2 NCSA HTTPD which, as you know, will have a new copyright
(not free) at 1.5. This is counter to our goals, and thus
we are interested in Apache - which seems to have taken up
the mantle of the "free server" concept.
I am writing you to gauge your interest in having us migrate
to Apache from HTTPD 1.4.2 (instead of 1.5). One sub-benefit
of our doing so would be that our company would become another
tester and developer for your team. Another sub-sub-sub-benefit
would be that we'd associate our name with your's . Further, I
want to get your interest in having the Clickshare API put in the normal
distribution of Apache as an option that could be enabled or
disabled via a compile-time "define".
I look forward to hearing from you. And, the very best of
luck with your effort.
Dave Oliver
PS: our URL is http://www.newshare.com/
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Re: More news
Posted by Brian Behlendorf <br...@organic.com>.
The thought of a shared authenticated space sounds a little big-brotherly
to me - am I right in interpreting this to mean that companies like
hotwired and pathfinder would share a user database so people would only
have to create an account once? First off, I know "the big guys" aren't
interested in sharing that kind of info, as everyone wants to be a
"controller" of sorts. Secondly, I'm hoping that systems like this die
off - HotWired has dropped authentication for its basic content and
non-custom services, and I hope other companies realize what a boondoggle
it is - with other much more scalable mechanisms for customization (Java
apps for example) take off.
I haven't seen any talk about Dave Raggett's Mediated Digest
Authentication,
http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/People/Raggett/security/Authentication.html
which at first glance looks like it might support this conceptually while
keeping the identity of the users secure. Course, I haven't read it, but
I did remember thinking "oh, an alternative to passwords for HotWired"
and filing it away for later perusal...
Brian
On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, Roy Fielding wrote:
> Please let me know what you think and I'll shape the answers
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>
> ......Roy
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> Roy,
>
> Have been watching your many posts to the various HTTP lists
> and recently "discovered" the Apache HTTP server project you're
> associated with. I have a few questions vis a vis Apache I hope you'll
> not mind answering.
>
> First, how did the Apache team get together? Will you
> "admit new members"?
>
> Secondly, as you can tell from the address, my company
> is in the news business. But, right now we find ourselves
> in the software business, too - a slightly uncomfortable
> position. We're in there, though, because we perceived a
> technology need, without which our news strategy would fail.
> (God, it might fail anyway!) So we developed a service (in
> the client/server sense) that supports user-authentication,
> user-profiling and usage-verification across independent
> HTTP servers, in a manner that allows all the relevent
> information to be kept by the independent servers, not a
> central repository -- sort of like BIND name service, actually.
> This allows a distributed set of users to access a "universe"
> of content without having to register at all sites. We call
> the service "Clickshare". I will be very up-front and tell
> you that one opportunity of providing this service is that
> it enables "micro-billing" on a per-hit basis if desired.
> We are finding that the journalism community is interested in
> this as a future revenue path, over and above (or indeed instead
> of) ad subsidy.
>
> We want content providers to use this service, but our goal
> is to enable small new media people in addition to the big
> boys. So, we want to keep our HTTP server (the interface to
> the Clickshare service) free, but "licensed" so that we can
> provide support, etc. Our work is currently based on the
> 1.4.2 NCSA HTTPD which, as you know, will have a new copyright
> (not free) at 1.5. This is counter to our goals, and thus
> we are interested in Apache - which seems to have taken up
> the mantle of the "free server" concept.
>
> I am writing you to gauge your interest in having us migrate
> to Apache from HTTPD 1.4.2 (instead of 1.5). One sub-benefit
> of our doing so would be that our company would become another
> tester and developer for your team. Another sub-sub-sub-benefit
> would be that we'd associate our name with your's . Further, I
> want to get your interest in having the Clickshare API put in the normal
> distribution of Apache as an option that could be enabled or
> disabled via a compile-time "define".
>
> I look forward to hearing from you. And, the very best of
> luck with your effort.
>
> Dave Oliver
>
> PS: our URL is http://www.newshare.com/
>
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> | David Oliver dave@newshare.com |
> | Managing Director-Technology Newshare Corporation |
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>
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