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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> on 2018/02/23 07:19:42 UTC
A NetBeans website proposal
Hi all,
Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
regarding the NetBeans website.
As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
"wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
Wade consolidated it in github's
"apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
procedures.
So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
"incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
"netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
content for those different websites. Currently we have:
- bits.netbeans.org
Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
- netbeans.apache.org
- Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
- As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
- We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
for these in the future, though.
- We've uploaded the result of this static site to
https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
So to summarize, the objectives are:
1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
sites [4]
If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
would also we welcome.
Kind regards,
Antonio
[1]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
[2]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
[3]
Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
(note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
[4]
Apache Navigation Links Policy
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
Incubator Branding Guide
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi again,
So, to keep things moving, shall we announce closing the contest by,
say, until March the 1st?
And start the voting during March 2nd, 3rd and 4th?
Or is that too fast? ;-)
Cheers,
Antonio
On 26/02/18 12:09, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> That sounds good. Thanks for persevering with this, Antonio.
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris, all,
>>
>> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
>> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
>> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
>> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>>
>> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
>> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
>> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
>> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>>
>> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>>
>> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
>> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>>
>> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
>> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
>> wrong).
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Antonio
>>
>> [1]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>>
>> [2]
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>>
>> [3]
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/
>> apache-netbeans-logo.png
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
>> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
>> From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
>> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>>
>> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
>> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
>> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
That sounds good. Thanks for persevering with this, Antonio.
Gj
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/
> apache-netbeans-logo.png
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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AW: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re:
ANetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
I know all of that, the page in the wiki was from me, because I didn’t know the real voting process for that. Now we have a ticket, someone created it in Q4 last year I think. But there was no Progress until now. So no real announcement that someone should create logos and adding stuff. Junichi was one of 2 I think who created a logo proposal. So for now there is no contest that can closed, or do we accept that, what we already have? Then I’m really fine with that.
I only wanted to give a hint, that we should choose the SVG variant of the logo on the new draft, not the png file, because on my Screen it Looks blurry. I only wanted to mention, that I use the SVG variant, of the other, colorful logo. I don’t wanted to Change it. Only using SVG instead of PNG.
So great that we have a vote soon, I thought it is Apache way to have the vote in JIRA, as someone other said that to me. But Mailing list is also ok, if this is going to happen.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 12:06
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
Hi Chris, all,
The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere
in 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the
one you suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not
seem to be very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2],
which has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early
february 2018 (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is
also pretty cool, IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if
I'm wrong).
Kind regards,
Antonio
[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
[2]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
[3]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/apache-netbeans-logo.png
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales
better and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you
can see it here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
Cheers
Chris
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Re: AW: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was
Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Daniel Trebbien <dt...@gmail.com>.
Also, this is the replacement icon that I use for VirtualBox:
https://jasonzigrino.deviantart.com/art/VirtualBox-For-OS-X-Yosemite-500664140
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:27 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Add to "Microsoft Orleans" to the list of people that "are copying" our
> logo :-)
>
> https://twitter.com/msftorleans
>
>
>
> On 27/02/18 13:35, Christian Lenz wrote:
>
>> NB Inside the cube could also be an Option. Yes I know that Webpack logo,
>> if you mean this: https://worldvectorlogo.com/logo/webpack-icon
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Von: Wade Chandler
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 13:25
>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was
>> Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
>>
>> When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
>> both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those
>> cube
>> icons for decades at this point.
>>
>> Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube.
>> But,
>> did have the hexgon outline.
>>
>> Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
>> as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.
>>
>> I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
>> of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
>> could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as
>> "into
>> a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
>> distinct shadow.
>>
>> Wade
>>
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio" <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris, all,
>>>
>>> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere
>>> in
>>> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one
>>> you
>>> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
>>> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>>>
>>> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
>>> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february
>>> 2018
>>> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
>>> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>>>
>>> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>>>
>>> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
>>> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>>>
>>> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
>>> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if
>>> I'm
>>> wrong).
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>>>
>>> [2]
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>>>
>>> [3]
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
>>> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
>>> From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
>>> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> >
>>>
>>> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
>>> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see
>>> it
>>> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: AW: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was
Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Add to "Microsoft Orleans" to the list of people that "are copying" our
logo :-)
https://twitter.com/msftorleans
On 27/02/18 13:35, Christian Lenz wrote:
> NB Inside the cube could also be an Option. Yes I know that Webpack logo, if you mean this: https://worldvectorlogo.com/logo/webpack-icon
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Wade Chandler
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 13:25
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
>
> When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
> both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
> icons for decades at this point.
>
> Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
> did have the hexgon outline.
>
> Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
> as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.
>
> I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
> of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
> could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
> a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
> distinct shadow.
>
> Wade
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio" <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris, all,
>>
>> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
>> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
>> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
>> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>>
>> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
>> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
>> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
>> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>>
>> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>>
>> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
>> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>>
>> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
>> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
>> wrong).
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Antonio
>>
>> [1]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>>
>> [2]
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>>
>> [3]
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
>> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
>> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
>> From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
>> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>>
>> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
>> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
>> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
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>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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AW: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re:
ANetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
NB Inside the cube could also be an Option. Yes I know that Webpack logo, if you mean this: https://worldvectorlogo.com/logo/webpack-icon
Cheers
Chris
Von: Wade Chandler
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 13:25
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
icons for decades at this point.
Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
did have the hexgon outline.
Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.
I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
distinct shadow.
Wade
On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio" <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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Re: AW: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was
Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
Posted by John Muczynski <jo...@gmail.com>.
I realize a monochrome icon might win a popularity vote, but I'll take a
colorful icon every day. Call me vain.
On Feb 27, 2018 7:35 AM, "Christian Lenz" <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Therefor it could be good to have the colored one. One Color for each
> Piece for example. Only an idea.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Wade Chandler
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 13:25
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was
> Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
>
> When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
> both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
> icons for decades at this point.
>
> Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
> did have the hexgon outline.
>
> Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
> as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.
>
> I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
> of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
> could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
> a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
> distinct shadow.
>
> Wade
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio" <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris, all,
> >
> > The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere
> in
> > 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one
> you
> > suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> > very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
> >
> > Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> > has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february
> 2018
> > (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> > IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
> >
> > To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
> >
> > - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> > - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
> >
> > I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> > expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if
> I'm
> > wrong).
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Antonio
> >
> > [1]
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
> >
> > [2]
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
> >
> > [3]
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> > ache-netbeans-logo.png
> >
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> > From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> > Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
> > I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> > and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see
> it
> > here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
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AW: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re:
ANetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Therefor it could be good to have the colored one. One Color for each Piece for example. Only an idea.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Wade Chandler
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 13:25
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
icons for decades at this point.
Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
did have the hexgon outline.
Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.
I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
distinct shadow.
Wade
On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio" <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Wade Chandler <wa...@apache.org>.
When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
icons for decades at this point.
Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
did have the hexgon outline.
Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.
I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
distinct shadow.
Wade
On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio" <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:24 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> I'd say the icon without the typography.
>
Agreed, so +1 from me to that and your schedule.
Given the necessarily short schedule, etc., and as we find our feet at
Apache, it might be good to keep in mind that any decision could get
reviewed around either next major release or when we become a top-level
project - ie. it's not a vote on something that will be fixed for all
eternity! ;-)
Best wishes,
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Re: AW: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW:
Merged tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Me wanna netbeans t-shirt now! :-)
On 27/02/18 12:54, Christian Lenz wrote:
> This is another Topic, but Geertjan and me created a SpreadShop at SpreadShirt, where I work for: https://shop.spreadshirt.com/netbeans/ So we have to discuss what we want to do with this shop.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Antonio
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 12:36
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))
>
> Talking of which, the ASF Swag site
>
> http://apacheswag.com/
>
> Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was
> Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +0000
> From: Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
>> I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
>>
>
> Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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AW: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW:
Merged tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
This is another Topic, but Geertjan and me created a SpreadShop at SpreadShirt, where I work for: https://shop.spreadshirt.com/netbeans/ So we have to discuss what we want to do with this shop.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 12:36
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))
Talking of which, the ASF Swag site
http://apacheswag.com/
Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +0000
From: Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
>
Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)
Best wishes,
Neil
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T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to
master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Talking of which, the ASF Swag site
http://apacheswag.com/
Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was
Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +0000
From: Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
>
Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
>
Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
Thanks, Bertrand,
Antonio
On 27/02/18 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong
> <ed...@dejongfrz.nl> wrote:
>> ...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we
>> want to present in the typography...
>
> Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a
> (small) section on logos and graphics policy.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong
<ed...@dejongfrz.nl> wrote:
> ...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we
> want to present in the typography...
Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a
(small) section on logos and graphics policy.
-Bertrand
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re:
A NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Eduard <in...@dejongfrz.nl>.
Indeed, the icon without typgraphy should be the item to vote upon this
time.
The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that
we want to present in the typography, for instance:
-the word "apache"
-the feather
-a 'badge' with "IDE" (with a possible alternate badge for the
framework, like "AFW".
An other question is if the words "Net" and "Beans" should be with
distinct typography.
Cheers
Eduard
Antonio wrote:
> I'd say the icon without the typography.
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
> On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>>
>>> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>>>
>>> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
>>> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds good!
>>
>> Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though? Are we at this stage
>> literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any
>> text /
>> typography?
>>
>> Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we
>> mean.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re:
A NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Eduard Karel de Jong <ed...@dejongfrz.nl>.
Indeed, the icon without typgraphy should be the item to vote upon this
time.
The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that
we want to present in the typography, for instance:
-the word "apache"
-the feather
-a 'badge' with "IDE" (with a possible alternate badge for the
framework, like "AFW".
An other question is if the words "Net" and "Beans" should be with
distinct typography.
Cheers
Eduard
Antonio wrote:
> I'd say the icon without the typography.
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
> On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>>
>>> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>>>
>>> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
>>> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds good!
>>
>> Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though? Are we at this stage
>> literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any
>> text /
>> typography?
>>
>> Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we
>> mean.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
I'd say the icon without the typography.
Cheers,
Antonio
On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
>> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>>
>> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
>> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>>
>
> Sounds good!
>
> Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though? Are we at this stage
> literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text /
> typography?
>
> Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
Sounds good!
Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though? Are we at this stage
literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text /
typography?
Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean.
Best wishes,
Neil
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The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A
NetBeans website proposal))
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi Chris, all,
The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere
in 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the
one you suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not
seem to be very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2],
which has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early
february 2018 (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is
also pretty cool, IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if
I'm wrong).
Kind regards,
Antonio
[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
[2]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
[3]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/apache-netbeans-logo.png
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
From: Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
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To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales
better and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you
can see it here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
Cheers
Chris
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AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 08:54
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Hi all,
This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's
podling website requirements. Feel free to submit PRs as you see fit.
I've uploaded the bits at https://netbeans.vieiro.net temporarily, to
verify that the "see this page in github" links work properly. This
won't track master, and may dissappear within a few days.
Thanks all involved and those giving comments and ideas.
Have fun,
Antonio
== Main goals
As Geertjan outlined in the mailing list thread the main goals for the
netbeans.apache.org website are, in order of importance:
1- Have a proper IDE features page.
2- Port the IDE tutorials.
3- Have a platform specific page.
Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:
- Improve image visualization (lightbox, for instance).
- Add proper retina images (including the NetBeans logo).
- The wiki pages should be reviewed, after review the bottom of the page
should contain the review date.
== Going live
AFAIK the website won't go live until we update the content to the
"asf-site" branch (i.e., until we copy the generated HTML into that
branch), as I think this branch is currently connected with the web
server through Apache's gitpubsub.
I'll try to find out the details.
== netbeans.apache.org help materials
- The README at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.
- The templates directory README
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/templates
has information about building templates as "Groovy Server Pages" files,
as well as the initial templates we're using.
- The scss directory at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
Contains the initial SCSS files from Foundation adapted to netbeans.
Other useful links:
- jbake http://jbake.org/docs/2.5.1/
- foundation 6 for sites https://foundation.zurb.com/sites/docs/
- for those using asciidoc the AsciiDoc Writer's Guide at
https://asciidoctor.org/docs/asciidoc-writers-guide/
== bits.netbeans.org
The ant script at bits.netbeans.org needs some love to properly generate
NetBeans javadoc files + arch stuff (properly tagged with release
information, etc.). The directory structure from current
"bits.netbeans.org" does not match the existing one.
AFAIK we haven't set up a webserver for this domain, I imagine we can do
this later on (probably using gitpubsub too in another "api" branch).
On 23/02/18 08:19, Antonio wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
> regarding the NetBeans website.
>
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
> Wade consolidated it in github's
> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> procedures.
>
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>
> - bits.netbeans.org
> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>
> - netbeans.apache.org
> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
> for these in the future, though.
> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>
> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>
> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
> sites [4]
>
> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
> instance).
>
> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
> would also we welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>
> [2]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>
> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>
>
> [3]
> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>
>
> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>
> [4]
>
> Apache Navigation Links Policy
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>
> Incubator Branding Guide
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 13:27 Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apologies if i may have missed it, but where in the
> incubator-netbeans-website github repository is the delete/clean code in
> build.gradle?
>
I have no idea! Maybe one for Wade. What I do know is that clean deletes
the build dir, so the assets get removed.
Maybe we need to explicitly clean up the asset dirs too?
Seems possibly related to comments here
https://github.com/gradle/gradle/issues/1168
Best wishes,
Neil
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Posted by Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com>.
Apologies if i may have missed it, but where in the
incubator-netbeans-website github repository is the delete/clean code in
build.gradle?
On 26 Feb 2018 11:52, "Neil C Smith" <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:38 Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Although the easiest way is to actually move the clean code from the
> > scripts to gradle because gradle will then have a complete view on things
> >
>
> Everything is already gradle though!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>
Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:38 Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Although the easiest way is to actually move the clean code from the
> scripts to gradle because gradle will then have a complete view on things
>
Everything is already gradle though!
Best wishes,
Neil
--
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Posted by Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com>.
It could be that because you have cleaned them outside of gradle, gradle
still thinks they are there and they haven't changed. The .gradle/caches
contains the cached data, you can tell gradle to refresh the dependencies
using ./gradle build --refresh-dependencies.
Although the easiest way is to actually move the clean code from the
scripts to gradle because gradle will then have a complete view on things
On 26 Feb 2018 11:07, "Neil C Smith" <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 10:57 Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gradle clean basically cleans the build directory used in java
compilation.
> In the task compileContentSass for instance you source from $contentDir
and
> write to $generatedAssetDir and these are not part of the java eco system.
>
> What you should do is create a new task which deletes all the directories
> you use and then do a clean.dependsOn(myCleanTask) so that is is run when
> clean is run.
>
Thanks! Wade's build scripts do clean out all the generated files,
presumably because they're under /build anyway? However, the sass plugin
still thinks it's up-to-date. I'm assuming we need to link the sass plugin
into clean somehow, but the problem appears to be more than just deleting
the output directories, because they already are deleted? Unless it's the
way that they're deleted that matters?
Best wishes,
Neil
--
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 10:57 Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gradle clean basically cleans the build directory used in java compilation.
> In the task compileContentSass for instance you source from $contentDir and
> write to $generatedAssetDir and these are not part of the java eco system.
>
> What you should do is create a new task which deletes all the directories
> you use and then do a clean.dependsOn(myCleanTask) so that is is run when
> clean is run.
>
Thanks! Wade's build scripts do clean out all the generated files,
presumably because they're under /build anyway? However, the sass plugin
still thinks it's up-to-date. I'm assuming we need to link the sass plugin
into clean somehow, but the problem appears to be more than just deleting
the output directories, because they already are deleted? Unless it's the
way that they're deleted that matters?
Best wishes,
Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Posted by Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com>.
Gradle clean basically cleans the build directory used in java compilation.
In the task compileContentSass for instance you source from $contentDir and
write to $generatedAssetDir and these are not part of the java eco system.
What you should do is create a new task which deletes all the directories
you use and then do a clean.dependsOn(myCleanTask) so that is is run when
clean is run.
Another thing is noticed was you have a task to stop and start tomcat,
there is a nice plugin on github (bmuschko/gradle-tomcat-plugin) which
allows you to redeploy core easily.
On 26 Feb 2018 10:42, "Neil C Smith" <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 07:54 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
> > This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's
> > podling website requirements.
>
>
> Woot! :-)
>
> Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:
> > ...
> > - The README at
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
> tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
> > explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.
> >
> >
> Note (for others) that you might need to run these commands to get the
> correct output -
>
> ./gradlew clean
> ./gradlew preprocessContent --rerun-tasks
> ./gradlew bake
>
> One other useful task would be for someone who understands Gradle better
> than Antonio or I to have a look at why the build (or sass plugin in
> particular) is incorrectly caching even after cleaning.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>
Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 07:54 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's
> podling website requirements.
Woot! :-)
Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:
> ...
> - The README at
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
> explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.
>
>
Note (for others) that you might need to run these commands to get the
correct output -
./gradlew clean
./gradlew preprocessContent --rerun-tasks
./gradlew bake
One other useful task would be for someone who understands Gradle better
than Antonio or I to have a look at why the build (or sass plugin in
particular) is incorrectly caching even after cleaning.
Best wishes,
Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi all,
This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's
podling website requirements. Feel free to submit PRs as you see fit.
I've uploaded the bits at https://netbeans.vieiro.net temporarily, to
verify that the "see this page in github" links work properly. This
won't track master, and may dissappear within a few days.
Thanks all involved and those giving comments and ideas.
Have fun,
Antonio
== Main goals
As Geertjan outlined in the mailing list thread the main goals for the
netbeans.apache.org website are, in order of importance:
1- Have a proper IDE features page.
2- Port the IDE tutorials.
3- Have a platform specific page.
Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:
- Improve image visualization (lightbox, for instance).
- Add proper retina images (including the NetBeans logo).
- The wiki pages should be reviewed, after review the bottom of the page
should contain the review date.
== Going live
AFAIK the website won't go live until we update the content to the
"asf-site" branch (i.e., until we copy the generated HTML into that
branch), as I think this branch is currently connected with the web
server through Apache's gitpubsub.
I'll try to find out the details.
== netbeans.apache.org help materials
- The README at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.
- The templates directory README
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/templates
has information about building templates as "Groovy Server Pages" files,
as well as the initial templates we're using.
- The scss directory at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
Contains the initial SCSS files from Foundation adapted to netbeans.
Other useful links:
- jbake http://jbake.org/docs/2.5.1/
- foundation 6 for sites https://foundation.zurb.com/sites/docs/
- for those using asciidoc the AsciiDoc Writer's Guide at
https://asciidoctor.org/docs/asciidoc-writers-guide/
== bits.netbeans.org
The ant script at bits.netbeans.org needs some love to properly generate
NetBeans javadoc files + arch stuff (properly tagged with release
information, etc.). The directory structure from current
"bits.netbeans.org" does not match the existing one.
AFAIK we haven't set up a webserver for this domain, I imagine we can do
this later on (probably using gitpubsub too in another "api" branch).
On 23/02/18 08:19, Antonio wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
> regarding the NetBeans website.
>
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
> Wade consolidated it in github's
> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> procedures.
>
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>
> - bits.netbeans.org
> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>
> - netbeans.apache.org
> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
> for these in the future, though.
> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>
> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>
> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
> sites [4]
>
> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
> instance).
>
> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
> would also we welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>
> [2]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>
> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>
>
> [3]
> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>
>
> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>
> [4]
>
> Apache Navigation Links Policy
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>
> Incubator Branding Guide
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
Wow, so much work done!
I like the site, we also have the wiki, it's all good!
I would, obviously, tweak it here and there, but it's best to get it running and I can do PRs and such afterwards.
Really nice surprise.
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 23 February 2018 9:19 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>
> regarding the NetBeans website.
>
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
>
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>
> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>
> Wade consolidated it in github's
>
> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" \[1\] repo, and added a Gradle
>
> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
>
> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
>
> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
>
> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
>
> procedures.
>
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" branch at Github's
>
> "incubator-netbeans-website" \[2\].
>
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>
> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating static
>
> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>
> - bits.netbeans.org
>
> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>
> - netbeans.apache.org
>
> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>
> SCSS structure \[3\] to fit our needs.
>
> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
>
> for these in the future, though.
>
> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
>
> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>
> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>
>
> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>
> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>
> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>
> sites \[4\]
>
> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>
> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>
> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
>
> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>
> would also we welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Antonio
>
> \[1\]
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>
> \[2\]
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>
> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
>
> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>
> \[3\]
>
> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>
> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>
> \[4\]
>
> Apache Navigation Links Policy
>
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>
> Incubator Branding Guide
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by John McDonnell <mc...@gmail.com>.
Fantastic work guys that looks awesome!
If you a hand or another body to help out in any way please get in touch.
Regards
John
On 23 February 2018 at 11:29, Sven Reimers <sv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Absolutely awesome....
>
> Thanks guys you rock!
>
> Sven
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> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
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>
> > Fantastic work, especially by Wade, Antonio, and Neil.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Friday, February 23, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> > > > ...we thought we could start a simpler
> > > > "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We
> > then
> > > > could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> > > procedures...
> > >
> > > Sounds great - "release early, release often" also works for project
> > > websites, definitely.
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Sven Reimers <sv...@gmail.com>.
Absolutely awesome....
Thanks guys you rock!
Sven
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Fantastic work, especially by Wade, Antonio, and Neil.
>
> Gj
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> > > ...we thought we could start a simpler
> > > "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We
> then
> > > could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> > procedures...
> >
> > Sounds great - "release early, release often" also works for project
> > websites, definitely.
> >
> > -Bertrand
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Fantastic work, especially by Wade, Antonio, and Neil.
Gj
On Friday, February 23, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> > ...we thought we could start a simpler
> > "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
> > could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> procedures...
>
> Sounds great - "release early, release often" also works for project
> websites, definitely.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> ...we thought we could start a simpler
> "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
> could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures...
Sounds great - "release early, release often" also works for project
websites, definitely.
-Bertrand
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AW: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Lightbox would be great and a must have, atm the images links Points to the Images as URLs, I tried ESC which is defacto normal to Close such Things, then I realized, I have to go back. Seems a broken UX.
So what is the current state of this? I want to contribute sooner or later too to the Project. I would like to Transfer stuff from the current page (My placeholder) to that page.
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Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 at 17:54 cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
> I personally favor 1080p and letting the browser
> downscale as needed.
>
Well, probably, or maybe even responsive image sets, but all things in
time. ;-) I assume we have bigger versions of these? Mind you, I'm not
sure some of those dialogs are actually that big!
Personally I think we could go live with this, but not forget it. I can
also look at integrating a lightbox or similar, unless there's already one
in Foundation?
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 at 15:36 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> On 24/02/18 15:04, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> >> https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/
> > I *love* the old-time NetBeans "swirl" in the header :)
>
> I love that too. :-) We should recover more of those backgrounds.
>
I love it too - and it should in no way be considered laziness that we used
something pre-existing! ;-)
>
> Neil did a great job cropping it to a exactly 16:9 ratio. These details
> come from professionals that know what they're doing. I love the work
> he's done with SCSS as well.
er, thanks ... you know I'm trying to get out of this professional web
lark, right?! :-)
Now, speaking of responsive images, a real professional would have created
more than one version of the hero image for different size screens! I can
have a look at that next week too assuming we're definitely using this one
for now.
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 at 17:54 cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
> I personally favor 1080p and letting the browser
> downscale as needed.
>
Well, probably, or maybe even responsive image sets, but all things in
time. ;-) I assume we have bigger versions of these? Mind you, I'm not
sure some of those dialogs are actually that big!
Personally I think we could go live with this, but not forget it. I can
also look at integrating a lightbox or similar, unless there's already one
in Foundation?
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 at 15:36 Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> On 24/02/18 15:04, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> >> https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/
> > I *love* the old-time NetBeans "swirl" in the header :)
>
> I love that too. :-) We should recover more of those backgrounds.
>
I love it too - and it should in no way be considered laziness that we used
something pre-existing! ;-)
>
> Neil did a great job cropping it to a exactly 16:9 ratio. These details
> come from professionals that know what they're doing. I love the work
> he's done with SCSS as well.
er, thanks ... you know I'm trying to get out of this professional web
lark, right?! :-)
Now, speaking of responsive images, a real professional would have created
more than one version of the hero image for different size screens! I can
have a look at that next week too assuming we're definitely using this one
for now.
Best wishes,
Neil
--
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org>.
Out of curiosity, why are the screenshots so small once you click on
them? I feel old saying this, but I find some of them hard to read :)
According to https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp the
most common screen resolution is 1366x768. Shouldn't we send something
at least that size? I personally favor 1080p and letting the browser
downscale as needed.
Gili
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
On 24/02/18 15:04, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> On 02/24/2018 04:43 AM, Antonio wrote:
>> Before merging with "master" I thought I could add a "feature" component
>> as an example on how this could be done.
>
>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/
> I *love* the old-time NetBeans "swirl" in the header :)
I love that too. :-) We should recover more of those backgrounds.
Neil did a great job cropping it to a exactly 16:9 ratio. These details
come from professionals that know what they're doing. I love the work
he's done with SCSS as well.
>
> To be ruthlessly honest, shouldn't this page tell what's missing (and
> still expected from Oracle) in 9.0 compared to 8.2?
>
Definitely. It also should have all PHP stuff and the rest at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+New+and+Noteworthy
And we should also add a NB 9.0 Alpha page.
The objectives right now are to meet all Apache web guidelines (the
footer, for instance, has mandatory Apache links, the download page has
also some requirements) and to make it as easy as possible to add stuff
without worrying too much about HTML (the 'cards' in the main page, or
the 'features' in this one, for instance). With just a minimum content.
After merging to master (if nobody opposes say by monday) we'll have
time to add all that content before finally going live.
Cheers,
Antonio
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com>.
On 02/24/2018 04:43 AM, Antonio wrote:
> Before merging with "master" I thought I could add a "feature" component
> as an example on how this could be done.
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/
I *love* the old-time NetBeans "swirl" in the header :)
To be ruthlessly honest, shouldn't this page tell what's missing (and
still expected from Oracle) in 9.0 compared to 8.2?
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
On 23/02/18 16:32, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> I reckon the order of importance:
> - IDE features page
Before merging with "master" I thought I could add a "feature" component
as an example on how this could be done.
asciidoc source:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb90/index.asciidoc
( images are simply added along with the document
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb90
)
Rendered (live):
https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/
Rendered (github):
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb90/index.asciidoc
I've also rearranged the download page to link to different releases.
Cheers,
Antonio
> - IDE tutorials
> - platform specific page
>
> Gj
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2018, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 15:10 Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't tell which parts/sections are more important. Should we start
>>> with the tutorials? The plugin portal? A platform specific page?
>>>
>>>
>> Just to note that the plugin portal issue (
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues/NETBEANS-201 ) is
>> currently pending a query to infra about being able to host the existing
>> plugin portal.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
I reckon the order of importance:
- IDE features page
- IDE tutorials
- platform specific page
Gj
On Friday, February 23, 2018, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 15:10 Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
> > I can't tell which parts/sections are more important. Should we start
> > with the tutorials? The plugin portal? A platform specific page?
> >
> >
> Just to note that the plugin portal issue (
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues/NETBEANS-201 ) is
> currently pending a query to infra about being able to host the existing
> plugin portal.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>
Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 15:10 Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> I can't tell which parts/sections are more important. Should we start
> with the tutorials? The plugin portal? A platform specific page?
>
>
Just to note that the plugin portal issue (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues/NETBEANS-201 ) is
currently pending a query to infra about being able to host the existing
plugin portal.
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net>.
AFAIK Oracle has few resources doing IP clearance, so we can't really
set the timelines.
But maybe we can help them chunking the current website in smaller,
more easy to process parts.
I can't tell which parts/sections are more important. Should we start
with the tutorials? The plugin portal? A platform specific page?
Opinions, ideas (and volunteers) are welcome.
Cheers,
Antonio
2018-02-23 13:12 GMT+01:00 Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com>:
> Looks good, what timelines do you have for the migration?
>
> On 23 Feb 2018 12:11, "Josh Juneau" <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Great work!
>>
>> Josh Juneau
>> j
>>
>> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:19 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>> >
>> > As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, "
>> wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>> >
>> > The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>> Wade consolidated it in github's "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup"
>> [1] repo, and added a Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate
>> static content, where content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some
>> additional files.
>> >
>> > As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a simpler
>> "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
>> could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures.
>> >
>> > So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>> >
>> > The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and "
>> netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ content
>> for those different websites. Currently we have:
>> >
>> > - bits.netbeans.org
>> > Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>> >
>> > - netbeans.apache.org
>> > - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>> > - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>> > - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo for
>> these in the future, though.
>> > - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this page
>> in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>> >
>> > So to summarize, the objectives are:
>> >
>> > 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>> > 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>> > 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>> sites [4]
>> >
>> > If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
>> >
>> > So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>> would also we welcome.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Antonio
>> >
>> >
>> > [1]
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>> >
>> > [2]
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>> >
>> > We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
>> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>> >
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
>> blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/
>> download/index.asciidoc
>> >
>> > [3]
>> > Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
>> tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>> >
>> > (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>> >
>> > [4]
>> >
>> > Apache Navigation Links Policy
>> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>> >
>> > Incubator Branding Guide
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>> >
>> >
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Peter Steele <st...@gmail.com>.
Looks good, what timelines do you have for the migration?
On 23 Feb 2018 12:11, "Josh Juneau" <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great work!
>
> Josh Juneau
> j
>
> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:19 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
> regarding the NetBeans website.
> >
> > As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, "
> wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
> >
> > The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
> Wade consolidated it in github's "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup"
> [1] repo, and added a Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate
> static content, where content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some
> additional files.
> >
> > As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a simpler
> "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
> could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures.
> >
> > So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
> >
> > The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and "
> netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ content
> for those different websites. Currently we have:
> >
> > - bits.netbeans.org
> > Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
> >
> > - netbeans.apache.org
> > - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
> > - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
> > - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo for
> these in the future, though.
> > - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this page
> in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
> >
> > So to summarize, the objectives are:
> >
> > 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
> > 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> > 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
> sites [4]
> >
> > If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
> >
> > So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
> would also we welcome.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Antonio
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
> >
> > [2]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
> >
> > We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
> blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/
> download/index.asciidoc
> >
> > [3]
> > Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
> tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
> >
> > (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
> >
> > [4]
> >
> > Apache Navigation Links Policy
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
Great work!
Josh Juneau
j
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:19 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments regarding the NetBeans website.
>
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, Wade consolidated it in github's "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures.
>
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>
> - bits.netbeans.org
> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>
> - netbeans.apache.org
> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo for these in the future, though.
> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>
> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>
> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web sites [4]
>
> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into master and start migrating content, and/or creating different subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
>
> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas would also we welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>
> [2]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>
> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>
> [3]
> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>
> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>
> [4]
>
> Apache Navigation Links Policy
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>
> Incubator Branding Guide
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> ...There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
> check sums and signatures...
FWIW the Sling website is also generated with JBake, if you want to
steal^H^H^H^H take inspiration from it see
https://github.com/apache/sling-site/blob/master/src/main/jbake/content/downloads.md
https://github.com/apache/sling-site/blob/master/src/main/jbake/templates/downloads.tpl
-Bertrand
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 15:02 Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Thanks, for the links, I'll send a PR against
> incubator-netbeans-website (multisite-test) branch later on with some
> updates.
>
One minor thing I noticed after I put in my PR, if you're happy doing it,
is the Downloads link in the front page hero should probably go to the
Downloads page like the rest?
Thanks for putting the licenses in the scss by the way - can't believe I
missed that! ;-)
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net>.
Thanks, for the links, I'll send a PR against
incubator-netbeans-website (multisite-test) branch later on with some
updates.
We do need this kind of help at the beginning: finding out what the
"Apache way" is is important. The sooner we adhere to the conventions
the better.
Thanks again,
Antonio
2018-02-23 13:42 GMT+01:00 Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>:
> Great work!
>
> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
> download page [1].
> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
> check sums and signatures.
> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
> looks good to 'go live'!
>
> Regards,
> Ate
>
> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>
>
> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>>
>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>
>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, Wade
>> consolidated it in github's "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1]
>> repo, and added a Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate static
>> content, where content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>
>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle reviewing
>> IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a simpler
>> "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
>> could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures.
>>
>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>
>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ content
>> for those different websites. Currently we have:
>>
>> - bits.netbeans.org
>> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>
>> - netbeans.apache.org
>> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper SCSS
>> structure [3] to fit our needs.
>> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo for
>> these in the future, though.
>> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this page in
>> github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>>
>> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>>
>> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders for
>> each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web sites
>> [4]
>>
>> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different subdirectories
>> for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
>>
>> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>> would also we welcome.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>>
>> [2]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>>
>> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as well.
>> An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>>
>> [3]
>> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>>
>> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>>
>> [4]
>>
>> Apache Navigation Links Policy
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>>
>> Incubator Branding Guide
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>
>>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 16:54 Wade Chandler <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> You can see the history and all here without signing up:
>
> https://netbeans.slackarchive.io
Thanks! Hadn't realised that was there - in which case that might actually
be a better link off from the website considering it also offers a link to
sign up?
> I think if one uses Slack for any period of time they will find it the best
> chat experience even over HipChat (and others), but definitely over Gitter.
> I am definitely biased having used many of them and finding Slack just does
> it right; IMO of course.
>
Oh, I generally hate all of them - I'm no longer one of the cool kids - I
like my email! ;-) Still, it was the (perceived) lack of publicly readable
and archived content that bothered me mostly. My personal preference for
Gitter stems from that (and the embedding potential / move to open-source)
Best wishes,
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Wade Chandler <wa...@apache.org>.
On Feb 23, 2018 11:16, "Neil C Smith" <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
That has been there for a while. I'd much prefer Gitter if we're going to
have one (and not sure if it's a good idea or not) because it's visible
without signing up.
You can see the history and all here without signing up:
https://netbeans.slackarchive.io
Too, notice the channel layout for topic separation. We also have IRC and
Slack integration to service both there.
I think if one uses Slack for any period of time they will find it the best
chat experience even over HipChat (and others), but definitely over Gitter.
I am definitely biased having used many of them and finding Slack just does
it right; IMO of course.
Thanks
Wade
Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 16:11 cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
> I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but clicking "See this page in
> github" on the landing page results in a HTTP 404.
>
That is also explained in the original email I think? Until this is in
master it won't work.
Aside from that, looks great. I especially like that you guys added a
> chat channel (slack). That will come in very useful.
>
That has been there for a while. I'd much prefer Gitter if we're going to
have one (and not sure if it's a good idea or not) because it's visible
without signing up.
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org>.
Sorry, I missed that.
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but clicking "See this page in
github" on the landing page results in a HTTP 404.
Aside from that, looks great. I especially like that you guys added a
chat channel (slack). That will come in very useful.
Gili
On 2018-02-23 11:03 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net, as stated by Antonio at the start of this
> thread.
>
> Gj
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2018, cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to preview a live version of this website?
>>
>> Gili
>>
>> On 2018-02-23 10:06 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
>>
>>> If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
>>> master in, say, 72 hours or so.
>>>
>>> After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
>>> indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
>>> other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.
>>>
>>> That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!
>>>
>>>
>>> 2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>:
>>>
>>>> I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time
>>>> to begin. My first draft was the page which is online at
>>>> netbeans.apache.org. I will dive into all of the stuff later, when I
>>>> see smth that I can/will fix. But for the Moment, great work. I will
>>>> discuss with you too but not implementing. Maybe we can merge some parts of
>>>> my page to the new draft of you. To Show the Features of NetBeans.
>>>>
>>>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>>>
>>>> Von: Ate Douma
>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
>>>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>> Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal
>>>>
>>>> Great work!
>>>>
>>>> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
>>>> download page [1].
>>>> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
>>>> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
>>>> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
>>>> check sums and signatures.
>>>> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
>>>> looks good to 'go live'!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ate
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
>>>> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>>>>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>>>>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org"
>>>>> for
>>>>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>>>>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>>>>
>>>>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>>>>> Wade consolidated it in github's
>>>>> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a
>>>>> Gradle
>>>>> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
>>>>> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>>>>
>>>>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>>>>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
>>>>> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's
>>>>> scripts.
>>>>> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
>>>>> procedures.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>>>>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>>>>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>>>>> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
>>>>> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>>>>>
>>>>> - bits.netbeans.org
>>>>> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> - netbeans.apache.org
>>>>> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>>>>> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>>>>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>>>>> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>>>>> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
>>>>> for these in the future, though.
>>>>> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>>>>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
>>>>> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>>>>>
>>>>> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>>>>> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>>>>> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>>>>> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>>>>> sites [4]
>>>>>
>>>>> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>>>>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>>>>> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
>>>>> instance).
>>>>>
>>>>> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>>>>> would also we welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>>>>>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/
>>>>> multisite-test
>>>>>
>>>>> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
>>>>> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/
>>>>> multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/
>>>>> multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>>>>>
>>>>> [4]
>>>>>
>>>>> Apache Navigation Links Policy
>>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>>>>>
>>>>> Incubator Branding Guide
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>>>>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
https://netbeans.vieiro.net, as stated by Antonio at the start of this
thread.
Gj
On Friday, February 23, 2018, cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
> Is it possible to preview a live version of this website?
>
> Gili
>
> On 2018-02-23 10:06 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
>
>> If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
>> master in, say, 72 hours or so.
>>
>> After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
>> indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
>> other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.
>>
>> That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!
>>
>>
>> 2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>:
>>
>>> I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time
>>> to begin. My first draft was the page which is online at
>>> netbeans.apache.org. I will dive into all of the stuff later, when I
>>> see smth that I can/will fix. But for the Moment, great work. I will
>>> discuss with you too but not implementing. Maybe we can merge some parts of
>>> my page to the new draft of you. To Show the Features of NetBeans.
>>>
>>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>>
>>> Von: Ate Douma
>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
>>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal
>>>
>>> Great work!
>>>
>>> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
>>> download page [1].
>>> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
>>> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
>>> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
>>> check sums and signatures.
>>> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
>>> looks good to 'go live'!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ate
>>>
>>> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
>>> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>>>
>>> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>>>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>>>>
>>>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>>>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org"
>>>> for
>>>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>>>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>>>
>>>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>>>> Wade consolidated it in github's
>>>> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a
>>>> Gradle
>>>> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
>>>> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>>>
>>>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>>>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
>>>> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's
>>>> scripts.
>>>> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
>>>> procedures.
>>>>
>>>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>>>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>>>
>>>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>>>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>>>> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
>>>> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>>>>
>>>> - bits.netbeans.org
>>>> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>>>
>>>> - netbeans.apache.org
>>>> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>>>> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>>>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>>>> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>>>> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
>>>> for these in the future, though.
>>>> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>>>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
>>>> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>>>>
>>>> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>>>> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>>>> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>>>> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>>>> sites [4]
>>>>
>>>> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>>>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>>>> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
>>>> instance).
>>>>
>>>> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>>>> would also we welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Antonio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>>>>
>>>> [2]
>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/
>>>> multisite-test
>>>>
>>>> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
>>>> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/
>>>> multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [3]
>>>> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/
>>>> multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>>>>
>>>> [4]
>>>>
>>>> Apache Navigation Links Policy
>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>>>>
>>>> Incubator Branding Guide
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by cowwoc <co...@bbs.darktech.org>.
Is it possible to preview a live version of this website?
Gili
On 2018-02-23 10:06 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
> If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
> master in, say, 72 hours or so.
>
> After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
> indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
> other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.
>
> That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!
>
>
> 2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>:
>> I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time to begin. My first draft was the page which is online at netbeans.apache.org. I will dive into all of the stuff later, when I see smth that I can/will fix. But for the Moment, great work. I will discuss with you too but not implementing. Maybe we can merge some parts of my page to the new draft of you. To Show the Features of NetBeans.
>>
>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>
>> Von: Ate Douma
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal
>>
>> Great work!
>>
>> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
>> download page [1].
>> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
>> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
>> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
>> check sums and signatures.
>> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
>> looks good to 'go live'!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ate
>>
>> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
>> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>>
>> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>>>
>>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
>>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>>
>>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>>> Wade consolidated it in github's
>>> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
>>> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
>>> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>>
>>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
>>> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
>>> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
>>> procedures.
>>>
>>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>>
>>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>>> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
>>> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>>>
>>> - bits.netbeans.org
>>> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>>
>>> - netbeans.apache.org
>>> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>>> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>>> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>>> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
>>> for these in the future, though.
>>> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
>>> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>>>
>>> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>>>
>>> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>>> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>>> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>>> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>>> sites [4]
>>>
>>> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>>> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
>>> instance).
>>>
>>> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>>> would also we welcome.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>>>
>>> [2]
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>>>
>>> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
>>> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>>>
>>>
>>> [3]
>>> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>>>
>>>
>>> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>>>
>>> [4]
>>>
>>> Apache Navigation Links Policy
>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>>>
>>> Incubator Branding Guide
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi again,
Needless to say: feel free to submit PRs against the multisite-test
branch. Note that if nobody opposes it will dissappear within 72 hours,
though, merged to master.
Cheers,
Antonio
On 23/02/18 16:06, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
> If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
> master in, say, 72 hours or so.
>
> After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
> indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
> other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.
>
> That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!
>
>
> 2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>:
>> I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time to begin. My first draft was the page which is online at netbeans.apache.org. I will dive into all of the stuff later, when I see smth that I can/will fix. But for the Moment, great work. I will discuss with you too but not implementing. Maybe we can merge some parts of my page to the new draft of you. To Show the Features of NetBeans.
>>
>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>
>> Von: Ate Douma
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal
>>
>> Great work!
>>
>> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
>> download page [1].
>> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
>> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
>> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
>> check sums and signatures.
>> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
>> looks good to 'go live'!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ate
>>
>> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
>> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>>
>> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>>>
>>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
>>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>>
>>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>>> Wade consolidated it in github's
>>> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
>>> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
>>> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>>
>>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
>>> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
>>> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
>>> procedures.
>>>
>>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>>
>>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>>> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
>>> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>>>
>>> - bits.netbeans.org
>>> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>>
>>> - netbeans.apache.org
>>> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>>> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>>> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>>> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
>>> for these in the future, though.
>>> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
>>> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>>>
>>> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>>>
>>> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>>> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>>> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>>> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>>> sites [4]
>>>
>>> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>>> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
>>> instance).
>>>
>>> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>>> would also we welcome.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>>>
>>> [2]
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>>>
>>> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
>>> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>>>
>>>
>>> [3]
>>> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>>>
>>>
>>> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>>>
>>> [4]
>>>
>>> Apache Navigation Links Policy
>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>>>
>>> Incubator Branding Guide
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net>.
If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
master in, say, 72 hours or so.
After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.
That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!
2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>:
> I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time to begin. My first draft was the page which is online at netbeans.apache.org. I will dive into all of the stuff later, when I see smth that I can/will fix. But for the Moment, great work. I will discuss with you too but not implementing. Maybe we can merge some parts of my page to the new draft of you. To Show the Features of NetBeans.
>
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
> Von: Ate Douma
> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal
>
> Great work!
>
> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
> download page [1].
> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
> check sums and signatures.
> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
> looks good to 'go live'!
>
> Regards,
> Ate
>
> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>
> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>>
>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>
>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>> Wade consolidated it in github's
>> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
>> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
>> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>
>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
>> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
>> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
>> procedures.
>>
>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>
>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
>> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>>
>> - bits.netbeans.org
>> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>
>> - netbeans.apache.org
>> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
>> for these in the future, though.
>> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
>> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>>
>> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>>
>> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>> sites [4]
>>
>> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
>> instance).
>>
>> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>> would also we welcome.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>>
>> [2]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>>
>> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
>> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>>
>>
>> [3]
>> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>>
>>
>> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>>
>> [4]
>>
>> Apache Navigation Links Policy
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>>
>> Incubator Branding Guide
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>
>>
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>>
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>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>
>>
>>
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AW: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time to begin. My first draft was the page which is online at netbeans.apache.org. I will dive into all of the stuff later, when I see smth that I can/will fix. But for the Moment, great work. I will discuss with you too but not implementing. Maybe we can merge some parts of my page to the new draft of you. To Show the Features of NetBeans.
Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
Von: Ate Douma
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Great work!
The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
download page [1].
There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
check sums and signatures.
Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
looks good to 'go live'!
Regards,
Ate
[1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
> regarding the NetBeans website.
>
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
> Wade consolidated it in github's
> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> procedures.
>
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>
> - bits.netbeans.org
> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>
> - netbeans.apache.org
> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
> for these in the future, though.
> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>
> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>
> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
> sites [4]
>
> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
> instance).
>
> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
> would also we welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>
> [2]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>
> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>
>
> [3]
> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>
>
> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>
> [4]
>
> Apache Navigation Links Policy
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>
> Incubator Branding Guide
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi,
We now have a release-specific download page at
https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90-beta.html
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb90-beta.asciidoc
that I think complies with "Apache's project download page"
requirements. The main download page will link to all different
release-specific download pages.
I think we could reuse this for future releases.
Thanks again,
Antonio
On 23/02/18 13:42, Ate Douma wrote:
> Great work!
>
> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
> download page [1].
> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
> check sums and signatures.
> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
> looks good to 'go live'!
>
> Regards,
> Ate
>
> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>
> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some
>> experiments regarding the NetBeans website.
>>
>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org"
>> for main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>
>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>> Wade consolidated it in github's
>> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a
>> Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where
>> content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>
>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
>> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's
>> scripts. We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP
>> clearance procedures.
>>
>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>
>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different
>> NetBeans subdomains as different directories (currently
>> "bits.netbeans.org" and "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for
>> generating _static_ content for those different websites. Currently we
>> have:
>>
>> - bits.netbeans.org
>> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>
>> - netbeans.apache.org
>> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some
>> proper SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
>> for these in the future, though.
>> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
>> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>>
>> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>>
>> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>> sites [4]
>>
>> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch
>> into master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
>> instance).
>>
>> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>> would also we welcome.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>>
>> [2]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>>
>> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
>> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>>
>>
>> [3]
>> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>>
>>
>> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>>
>> [4]
>>
>> Apache Navigation Links Policy
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>>
>> Incubator Branding Guide
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
Great work!
The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
download page [1].
There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
check sums and signatures.
Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
looks good to 'go live'!
Regards,
Ate
[1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
> regarding the NetBeans website.
>
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
> Wade consolidated it in github's
> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> procedures.
>
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>
> - bits.netbeans.org
> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>
> - netbeans.apache.org
> - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
> - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
> - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
> for these in the future, though.
> - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>
> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>
> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
> sites [4]
>
> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
> instance).
>
> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
> would also we welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>
> [2]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>
> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>
>
> [3]
> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>
>
> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>
> [4]
>
> Apache Navigation Links Policy
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>
> Incubator Branding Guide
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>
>
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