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Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Hi Apache Community.
It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name again.
So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to contribute a
new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name that
wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1]. Also
if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
great candidate too.
Name submission starts NOW.
We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who wishes
to participate!
Thanks so much,
Les Hazlewood
Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
[1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
My recollection of the discussion was that the recommendations where
a) don't ask the party that might be infringed on for permission, b)
it is OK to wait for the project to wait until they are contacted, if
ever, before doing anything. Ironically, shortly before this
discussion there was another project that had clearly infringed on
someone else's trademark, was contacted by them, and at the
recommendation of our attorneys the project name was changed fairly
painlessly. The answers I saw to this thread were all in line with
what they attorneys had discussed in that instance.
In short, I have never understood why JSecurity decided to change its
name. IIRC the only potential conflict was with a company that didn't
actually produce a software product with that name and that company
has never contacted us, despite JSecurity having been around for quite
a while.
Ralph
On May 20, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just read http://markmail.org/message/kpk4x2bre4r4o2za
> and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is
> going to
> change its name.
>
> In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
> "JSecurity"
> and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive answer
> from the
> ASF legal team.
> Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and
> authoritative ?
> Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
>
> Both this thread and the one from last year are full of assumptions
> on legal
> matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am probably
> guilty
> of it myself)
>
> I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
> Will this discussion start again and again every time someone posts
> a blog
> comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
>
> regards,
> Maarten
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna <chintanaw@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood
>> <lh...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone
>>> who
>> wishes
>>> to participate!
>>
>> Apache Narsil
>>
>> Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
>> as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
>> carrying it.
>>
>> Bye,
>>
>> -Chintana
>>
>> --
>> http://engwar.com/
>>
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On May 22, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Alan D. Cabrera
> <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:
>
>> IIRC, as the JSecurity thread evolved the community realized that
>> it wanted
>> to be so much more than just Java and so the name JSecurity fell
>> out of
>> favor.
>
>
>
> What about Apache Security then ?
> Sweet and simple.
There are a number of Apache products that have security features that
may not appreciate us laying claim to us being *the* Apache security
project. The ASF has always had a policy of letting a thousand
flowers bloom and frowns in umbrella projects.
Regards,
Alan
>
>
> Maarten
>
>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>> On May 20, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Erik Beeson wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. I still like JSecurity the best.
>>> --Erik
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Maarten Bosteels
>>> <mb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I just read http://markmail.org/message/kpk4x2bre4r4o2za
>>>> and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is
>>>> going to
>>>> change its name.
>>>>
>>>> In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
>>>> "JSecurity"
>>>> and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive
>>>> answer from
>>>> the
>>>> ASF legal team.
>>>> Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and
>>>> authoritative ?
>>>> Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
>>>>
>>>> Both this thread and the one from last year are full of
>>>> assumptions on
>>>> legal
>>>> matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am
>>>> probably
>>>> guilty
>>>> of it myself)
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
>>>> Will this discussion start again and again every time someone
>>>> posts a
>>>> blog
>>>> comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> Maarten
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna <chintanaw@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate
>>>>> anyone who
>>>>>>
>>>>> wishes
>>>>>
>>>>>> to participate!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apache Narsil
>>>>>
>>>>> Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which
>>>>> acts
>>>>> as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
>>>>> carrying it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Chintana
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://engwar.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:
> IIRC, as the JSecurity thread evolved the community realized that it wanted
> to be so much more than just Java and so the name JSecurity fell out of
> favor.
What about Apache Security then ?
Sweet and simple.
Maarten
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> On May 20, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Erik Beeson wrote:
>
> Agreed. I still like JSecurity the best.
>> --Erik
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Maarten Bosteels
>> <mb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just read http://markmail.org/message/kpk4x2bre4r4o2za
>>> and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is going to
>>> change its name.
>>>
>>> In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
>>> "JSecurity"
>>> and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive answer from
>>> the
>>> ASF legal team.
>>> Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and authoritative ?
>>> Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
>>>
>>> Both this thread and the one from last year are full of assumptions on
>>> legal
>>> matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am probably
>>> guilty
>>> of it myself)
>>>
>>> I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
>>> Will this discussion start again and again every time someone posts a
>>> blog
>>> comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Maarten
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna <chintanaw@gmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
>>>>>
>>>> wishes
>>>>
>>>>> to participate!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apache Narsil
>>>>
>>>> Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
>>>> as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
>>>> carrying it.
>>>>
>>>> Bye,
>>>>
>>>> -Chintana
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://engwar.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
IIRC, as the JSecurity thread evolved the community realized that it
wanted to be so much more than just Java and so the name JSecurity
fell out of favor.
Regards,
Alan
On May 20, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Erik Beeson wrote:
> Agreed. I still like JSecurity the best.
> --Erik
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Maarten Bosteels
> <mb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just read http://markmail.org/message/kpk4x2bre4r4o2za
>> and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is
>> going to
>> change its name.
>>
>> In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
>> "JSecurity"
>> and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive answer
>> from
>> the
>> ASF legal team.
>> Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and
>> authoritative ?
>> Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
>>
>> Both this thread and the one from last year are full of assumptions
>> on
>> legal
>> matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am
>> probably guilty
>> of it myself)
>>
>> I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
>> Will this discussion start again and again every time someone posts
>> a blog
>> comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
>>
>> regards,
>> Maarten
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna <chintanaw@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone
>>>> who
>>> wishes
>>>> to participate!
>>>
>>> Apache Narsil
>>>
>>> Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
>>> as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
>>> carrying it.
>>>
>>> Bye,
>>>
>>> -Chintana
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://engwar.com/
>>>
>>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On May 20, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Erik Beeson wrote:
> Agreed. I still like JSecurity the best.
> --Erik
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Maarten Bosteels
> <mb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just read http://markmail.org/message/kpk4x2bre4r4o2za
>> and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is
>> going to
>> change its name.
>>
>> In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
>> "JSecurity"
>> and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive answer
>> from
>> the
>> ASF legal team.
>> Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and
>> authoritative ?
>> Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
>>
>> Both this thread and the one from last year are full of assumptions
>> on
>> legal
>> matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am
>> probably guilty
>> of it myself)
>>
>> I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
>> Will this discussion start again and again every time someone posts
>> a blog
>> comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
>>
>> regards,
>> Maarten
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna <chintanaw@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone
>>>> who
>>> wishes
>>>> to participate!
>>>
>>> Apache Narsil
>>>
>>> Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
>>> as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
>>> carrying it.
>>>
>>> Bye,
>>>
>>> -Chintana
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://engwar.com/
>>>
>>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Erik Beeson <er...@gmail.com>.
Agreed. I still like JSecurity the best.
--Erik
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Maarten Bosteels
<mb...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just read http://markmail.org/message/kpk4x2bre4r4o2za
> and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is going to
> change its name.
>
> In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
> "JSecurity"
> and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive answer from
> the
> ASF legal team.
> Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and authoritative ?
> Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
>
> Both this thread and the one from last year are full of assumptions on
> legal
> matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am probably guilty
> of it myself)
>
> I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
> Will this discussion start again and again every time someone posts a blog
> comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
>
> regards,
> Maarten
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna <chintanaw@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> > wishes
> > > to participate!
> >
> > Apache Narsil
> >
> > Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
> > as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
> > carrying it.
> >
> > Bye,
> >
> > -Chintana
> >
> > --
> > http://engwar.com/
> >
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I just read http://markmail.org/message/kpk4x2bre4r4o2za
and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is going to
change its name.
In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
"JSecurity"
and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive answer from the
ASF legal team.
Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and authoritative ?
Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
Both this thread and the one from last year are full of assumptions on legal
matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am probably guilty
of it myself)
I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
Will this discussion start again and again every time someone posts a blog
comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
regards,
Maarten
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> wishes
> > to participate!
>
> Apache Narsil
>
> Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
> as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
> carrying it.
>
> Bye,
>
> -Chintana
>
> --
> http://engwar.com/
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I just read http://markmail.org/message/kpk4x2bre4r4o2za
and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is going to
change its name.
In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
"JSecurity"
and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive answer from the
ASF legal team.
Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and authoritative ?
Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
Both this thread and the one from last year are full of assumptions on legal
matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am probably guilty
of it myself)
I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
Will this discussion start again and again every time someone posts a blog
comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
regards,
Maarten
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> wishes
> > to participate!
>
> Apache Narsil
>
> Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
> as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
> carrying it.
>
> Bye,
>
> -Chintana
>
> --
> http://engwar.com/
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I just read http://markmail.org/message/kpk4x2bre4r4o2za
and my conclusion is that it's really absurd that the project is going to
change its name.
In that thread, most people expressed preference to keep the name
"JSecurity"
and as far as I could see there never came a clear, decisive answer from the
ASF legal team.
Or is the reply by Marc Poussin considered decisive and authoritative ?
Or maybe there's another thread that I missed ?
Both this thread and the one from last year are full of assumptions on legal
matters made by people that I assume are not lawyers. (I am probably guilty
of it myself)
I don't think it's a smart way to handle this issue.
Will this discussion start again and again every time someone posts a blog
comment saying they have been using name xxx in their company ?
regards,
Maarten
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Chintana Wilamuna <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> wishes
> > to participate!
>
> Apache Narsil
>
> Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
> as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
> carrying it.
>
> Bye,
>
> -Chintana
>
> --
> http://engwar.com/
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Chintana Wilamuna <ch...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who wishes
> to participate!
Apache Narsil
Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
carrying it.
Bye,
-Chintana
--
http://engwar.com/
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Erik Beeson <er...@gmail.com>.
Along similar lines, how about Apache Sikkert ('security' in Danish)?
Or something more like the old name. Maybe XJSecurity or XSecureJ
(eXtensible Security for Java) or something?
Is XSJ an option? Google doesn't yield any real solid top hits for it
besides a photoframe model number...
--Erik
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > What about Apache Security
>
> Apache Sekuriti (Malay/Indonesian)
>
> Cheers
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>
> I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What about Apache Security
Apache Sekuriti (Malay/Indonesian)
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Bradley Beddoes <br...@gmail.com>.
I was looking around on the gateway/bridge type theme that Ki has and came
across 'Toran'
*Toran*
To"ran\, Torana \To"ra*na\, n. [Skr. t[=o]ra[.n]a an arch, a gate.] (Indian
Arch.) A gateway, commonly of wood, but sometimes of stone, consisting of
two upright pillars carrying one to three transverse lintels. It is often
minutely carved with symbolic sculpture, and serves as a monumental approach
to a Buddhist temple.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/toran
So I suggest Apache Toran, only about 3 hits on Google as well for that
actual word so ranking would be high.
regards,
Bradley
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>wrote:
> What about Apache Security
>
> regards Malcolm Edgar
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Well, I was going to suggest:
> >
> > Apache Jaysec
> >
> > It is true to the original name, but sufficiently different not to cause
> > confusion.
> >
> > However, in the Google results, I found posts saying they didn't like
> JSec
> > for the sound in the previous vote, which would have the same problem.
> >
> > It still might be worth considering, as it has such a low number of hits
> on
> > google (<1000), and the conflicts are all sufficiently different that it
> > shouldn't cause confusion:
> > - http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_hddvlh
> > - gojaysec.com
> > - http://jaysec.co.uk/ (only security related one, but it's CCTV).
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Brett
> >
> > On 20/05/2009, at 2:01 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Apache Community.
> >>
> >> It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> >> potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
> >> again.
> >>
> >> So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
> contribute
> >> a
> >> new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
> >>
> >> 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> >> ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> >> 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> >> Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> >> 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> >> 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> >> 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
> that
> >> wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
> >>
> >> Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> >> knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
> Also
> >> if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> >> great candidate too.
> >>
> >> Name submission starts NOW.
> >>
> >> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> >> wishes
> >> to participate!
> >>
> >> Thanks so much,
> >>
> >> Les Hazlewood
> >> Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
> >>
> >> [1]
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> >
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What about Apache Security
Apache Sekuriti (Malay/Indonesian)
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
What about Apache Security
regards Malcolm Edgar
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> Well, I was going to suggest:
>
> Apache Jaysec
>
> It is true to the original name, but sufficiently different not to cause
> confusion.
>
> However, in the Google results, I found posts saying they didn't like JSec
> for the sound in the previous vote, which would have the same problem.
>
> It still might be worth considering, as it has such a low number of hits on
> google (<1000), and the conflicts are all sufficiently different that it
> shouldn't cause confusion:
> - http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_hddvlh
> - gojaysec.com
> - http://jaysec.co.uk/ (only security related one, but it's CCTV).
>
> Good luck!
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
> On 20/05/2009, at 2:01 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>> Hi Apache Community.
>>
>> It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
>> potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
>> again.
>>
>> So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to contribute
>> a
>> new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>>
>> 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
>> ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
>> 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
>> Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
>> 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
>> 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
>> 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name that
>> wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>>
>> Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
>> knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1]. Also
>> if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
>> great candidate too.
>>
>> Name submission starts NOW.
>>
>> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
>> wishes
>> to participate!
>>
>> Thanks so much,
>>
>> Les Hazlewood
>> Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>>
>> [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
What about Apache Security
regards Malcolm Edgar
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> Well, I was going to suggest:
>
> Apache Jaysec
>
> It is true to the original name, but sufficiently different not to cause
> confusion.
>
> However, in the Google results, I found posts saying they didn't like JSec
> for the sound in the previous vote, which would have the same problem.
>
> It still might be worth considering, as it has such a low number of hits on
> google (<1000), and the conflicts are all sufficiently different that it
> shouldn't cause confusion:
> - http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_hddvlh
> - gojaysec.com
> - http://jaysec.co.uk/ (only security related one, but it's CCTV).
>
> Good luck!
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
> On 20/05/2009, at 2:01 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>> Hi Apache Community.
>>
>> It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
>> potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
>> again.
>>
>> So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to contribute
>> a
>> new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>>
>> 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
>> ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
>> 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
>> Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
>> 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
>> 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
>> 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name that
>> wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>>
>> Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
>> knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1]. Also
>> if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
>> great candidate too.
>>
>> Name submission starts NOW.
>>
>> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
>> wishes
>> to participate!
>>
>> Thanks so much,
>>
>> Les Hazlewood
>> Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>>
>> [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
Well, I was going to suggest:
Apache Jaysec
It is true to the original name, but sufficiently different not to
cause confusion.
However, in the Google results, I found posts saying they didn't like
JSec for the sound in the previous vote, which would have the same
problem.
It still might be worth considering, as it has such a low number of
hits on google (<1000), and the conflicts are all sufficiently
different that it shouldn't cause confusion:
- http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_hddvlh
- gojaysec.com
- http://jaysec.co.uk/ (only security related one, but it's CCTV).
Good luck!
Cheers,
Brett
On 20/05/2009, at 2:01 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Hi Apache Community.
>
> It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our
> name again.
>
> So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
> contribute a
> new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>
> 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
> that
> wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>
> Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of
> your
> knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search
> [1]. Also
> if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would
> be a
> great candidate too.
>
> Name submission starts NOW.
>
> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone
> who wishes
> to participate!
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Les Hazlewood
> Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>
> [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by hat27533 <ha...@gmail.com>.
Apache KeyPad ?
Implies an electronic lock?
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by hat27533 <ha...@gmail.com>.
Apache AuthentiKi might be an option?
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
I'll throw mine into the mix:
Apache Shiro
Shiro is the Japanese word for castle (城)
No relevant hits in TESS. Many results for 'shiro' in Google, but no
relevant results related to security.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@apache.org>wrote:
> Apache Boahn
>
> It (Boahn:보안) means a 'security' in Korean, and a druid name in WarCraft.
> ;)
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi Apache Community.
> >
> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
> again.
> >
> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
> contribute a
> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
> >
> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name that
> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
> >
> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
> Also
> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> > great candidate too.
> >
> > Name submission starts NOW.
> >
> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> wishes
> > to participate!
> >
> > Thanks so much,
> >
> > Les Hazlewood
> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
> >
> > [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> >
>
>
>
> --
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
I'll throw mine into the mix:
Apache Shiro
Shiro is the Japanese word for castle (城)
No relevant hits in TESS. Many results for 'shiro' in Google, but no
relevant results related to security.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@apache.org>wrote:
> Apache Boahn
>
> It (Boahn:보안) means a 'security' in Korean, and a druid name in WarCraft.
> ;)
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi Apache Community.
> >
> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
> again.
> >
> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
> contribute a
> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
> >
> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name that
> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
> >
> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
> Also
> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> > great candidate too.
> >
> > Name submission starts NOW.
> >
> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> wishes
> > to participate!
> >
> > Thanks so much,
> >
> > Les Hazlewood
> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
> >
> > [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon @ NHN, corp.
> edwardyoon@apache.org
> http://blog.udanax.org
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
I'll throw mine into the mix:
Apache Shiro
Shiro is the Japanese word for castle (城)
No relevant hits in TESS. Many results for 'shiro' in Google, but no
relevant results related to security.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@apache.org>wrote:
> Apache Boahn
>
> It (Boahn:보안) means a 'security' in Korean, and a druid name in WarCraft.
> ;)
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi Apache Community.
> >
> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
> again.
> >
> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
> contribute a
> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
> >
> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name that
> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
> >
> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
> Also
> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> > great candidate too.
> >
> > Name submission starts NOW.
> >
> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> wishes
> > to participate!
> >
> > Thanks so much,
> >
> > Les Hazlewood
> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
> >
> > [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> edwardyoon@apache.org
> http://blog.udanax.org
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@apache.org>.
Apache Boahn
It (Boahn:보안) means a 'security' in Korean, and a druid name in WarCraft. ;)
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Apache Community.
>
> It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name again.
>
> So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to contribute a
> new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>
> 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name that
> wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>
> Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1]. Also
> if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> great candidate too.
>
> Name submission starts NOW.
>
> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who wishes
> to participate!
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Les Hazlewood
> Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>
> [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
Well, I was going to suggest:
Apache Jaysec
It is true to the original name, but sufficiently different not to
cause confusion.
However, in the Google results, I found posts saying they didn't like
JSec for the sound in the previous vote, which would have the same
problem.
It still might be worth considering, as it has such a low number of
hits on google (<1000), and the conflicts are all sufficiently
different that it shouldn't cause confusion:
- http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_hddvlh
- gojaysec.com
- http://jaysec.co.uk/ (only security related one, but it's CCTV).
Good luck!
Cheers,
Brett
On 20/05/2009, at 2:01 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Hi Apache Community.
>
> It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our
> name again.
>
> So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
> contribute a
> new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>
> 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
> that
> wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>
> Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of
> your
> knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search
> [1]. Also
> if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would
> be a
> great candidate too.
>
> Name submission starts NOW.
>
> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone
> who wishes
> to participate!
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Les Hazlewood
> Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>
> [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who wishes
> to participate!
Another solution is to invent a new word.
I devised a tool to create new names.
It has recently been accepted as a new project at Apache Labs [1].
"Using existing relevant words as a starting point, Penihip
applies a specified offset number of characters to shift along the
alphabet, thereby creating new words. The consonants and vowels are
shifted within their own set. Therefore the generated words are more
likely able to be spoken."
Encrypting a word seems especially relevant for a security-related project.
My choice is "Tidasif".
This comes from the word "Secured" using an offset of one character.
So "S" becomes "T", "e" becomes "i", "c" becomes "d", etc.
Searching the net for "+tidasif" gives 3 hits, all nonsense.
Alternatively "Tidasi" (from "Secure"). That is more
pronouncable and memorable, which is another quality to
look for in a name. However, search finds some uses of the
name, also when combined with "security".
Try it yourself. A fun way to waste some more time on names.
[1] New Lab Request: Penihip - a name generator
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.labs.devel/1890
-David
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
<wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
> I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
> "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> product, not a software product.
And when you get the C&D letter from Kimberly-Clark, will request ASF
to stand the ground and let it go to court?
Walt Disney is famous for chasing people on their marks, I am sure
there are many others.
Cheers
--
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http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Bernd Fondermann wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 21:53, William A. Rowe, Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>> "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
>> product, not a software product.
>
> Gasp! Don't let the Kleenex folks hear that there product was not soft ware!
And Bernd wins a beer from me at the next AC for being the first one
to catch the pun :)
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 21:53, William A. Rowe, Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
> "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> product, not a software product.
Gasp! Don't let the Kleenex folks hear that there product was not soft ware!
Bernd
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
On May 19, 2009, at 12:53 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Maarten Bosteels wrote:
>> Hi Les,
>>
>> Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming
>> conflict ?
>> It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
>>
>> I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
>> My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
>>
>> As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not
>> just
>> "Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
>> Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
>>
>> All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS:
>> James,
>> MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
>
> Scroll back through the original thread. The point not collisions.
> I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
> "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> product, not a software product.
>
> But it does not matter that your software product only shares part
> of a name
> with another software product, or that the two types of software do
> entirely
> different thing. The question is always one of confusion
> (deliberate or
> otherwise).
>
OK, but I doubt anyone, anywhere was going to get confused by
JSecurity. I never understood why the PMC thought the conflict
warranted a name change.
Ralph
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
The time frame for submitting suggestions has ended.
I'll post the compiled list of all suggestions soon. At that time, we start
the voting process for the top five names. After they're received, there
will be one final vote between the top two names. The one with a simple
majority will be the new name.
Cheers,
Les
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Erik Beeson <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the status of the renaming?
> --Erik
>
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:20 PM, David Crossley <crossley@apache.org
> >wrote:
>
> > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> > >
> > > Scroll back through the original thread. The point not collisions.
> > > I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
> > > "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> > > product, not a software product.
> > >
> > > But it does not matter that your software product only shares part of a
> > name
> > > with another software product, or that the two types of software do
> > entirely
> > > different thing. The question is always one of confusion (deliberate
> or
> > > otherwise).
> >
> > Very good point Bill. We should expand item 3 in the list [1].
> >
> > Jsecurity people, that is a set of guidelines that i created
> > by scouring the relevant Apache mail archives on this topic.
> > Perhaps it will help.
> >
> > [1] Choosing names for ASF projects
> > http://www.apache.org/dev/project-names.html
> >
> > -David
> >
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Bradley Beddoes <br...@gmail.com>.
Yeah this really needs to get sorted out as priority #1 so the project can
move forward. Changing names (and hence packages etc) really does hold up a
lot of folks and may have them opt to go elsewhere.
Bradley
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Maarten Bosteels
<mb...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I guess everyone gave up on finding a name because of the many rules, at
> least I did ;-)
>
> regards
> Maarten
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Erik Beeson <er...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What's the status of the renaming?
> > --Erik
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:20 PM, David Crossley <crossley@apache.org
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Scroll back through the original thread. The point not collisions.
> > > > I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
> > > > "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> > > > product, not a software product.
> > > >
> > > > But it does not matter that your software product only shares part of
> a
> > > name
> > > > with another software product, or that the two types of software do
> > > entirely
> > > > different thing. The question is always one of confusion (deliberate
> > or
> > > > otherwise).
> > >
> > > Very good point Bill. We should expand item 3 in the list [1].
> > >
> > > Jsecurity people, that is a set of guidelines that i created
> > > by scouring the relevant Apache mail archives on this topic.
> > > Perhaps it will help.
> > >
> > > [1] Choosing names for ASF projects
> > > http://www.apache.org/dev/project-names.html
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> >
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
I guess everyone gave up on finding a name because of the many rules, at
least I did ;-)
regards
Maarten
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Erik Beeson <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the status of the renaming?
> --Erik
>
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:20 PM, David Crossley <crossley@apache.org
> >wrote:
>
> > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> > >
> > > Scroll back through the original thread. The point not collisions.
> > > I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
> > > "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> > > product, not a software product.
> > >
> > > But it does not matter that your software product only shares part of a
> > name
> > > with another software product, or that the two types of software do
> > entirely
> > > different thing. The question is always one of confusion (deliberate
> or
> > > otherwise).
> >
> > Very good point Bill. We should expand item 3 in the list [1].
> >
> > Jsecurity people, that is a set of guidelines that i created
> > by scouring the relevant Apache mail archives on this topic.
> > Perhaps it will help.
> >
> > [1] Choosing names for ASF projects
> > http://www.apache.org/dev/project-names.html
> >
> > -David
> >
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Erik Beeson <er...@gmail.com>.
What's the status of the renaming?
--Erik
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:20 PM, David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>wrote:
> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > Scroll back through the original thread. The point not collisions.
> > I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
> > "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> > product, not a software product.
> >
> > But it does not matter that your software product only shares part of a
> name
> > with another software product, or that the two types of software do
> entirely
> > different thing. The question is always one of confusion (deliberate or
> > otherwise).
>
> Very good point Bill. We should expand item 3 in the list [1].
>
> Jsecurity people, that is a set of guidelines that i created
> by scouring the relevant Apache mail archives on this topic.
> Perhaps it will help.
>
> [1] Choosing names for ASF projects
> http://www.apache.org/dev/project-names.html
>
> -David
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>
> Scroll back through the original thread. The point not collisions.
> I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
> "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> product, not a software product.
>
> But it does not matter that your software product only shares part of a name
> with another software product, or that the two types of software do entirely
> different thing. The question is always one of confusion (deliberate or
> otherwise).
Very good point Bill. We should expand item 3 in the list [1].
Jsecurity people, that is a set of guidelines that i created
by scouring the relevant Apache mail archives on this topic.
Perhaps it will help.
[1] Choosing names for ASF projects
http://www.apache.org/dev/project-names.html
-David
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>
> Scroll back through the original thread. The point not collisions.
> I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
> "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> product, not a software product.
>
> But it does not matter that your software product only shares part of a name
> with another software product, or that the two types of software do entirely
> different thing. The question is always one of confusion (deliberate or
> otherwise).
Very good point Bill. We should expand item 3 in the list [1].
Jsecurity people, that is a set of guidelines that i created
by scouring the relevant Apache mail archives on this topic.
Perhaps it will help.
[1] Choosing names for ASF projects
http://www.apache.org/dev/project-names.html
-David
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
<wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
> I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
> "Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
> product, not a software product.
And when you get the C&D letter from Kimberly-Clark, will request ASF
to stand the ground and let it go to court?
Walt Disney is famous for chasing people on their marks, I am sure
there are many others.
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> Hi Les,
>
> Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming conflict ?
> It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
>
> I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
> My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
>
> As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not just
> "Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
> Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
>
> All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS: James,
> MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
Scroll back through the original thread. The point not collisions.
I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
"Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
product, not a software product.
But it does not matter that your software product only shares part of a name
with another software product, or that the two types of software do entirely
different thing. The question is always one of confusion (deliberate or
otherwise).
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> Hi Les,
>
> Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming conflict ?
> It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
>
> I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
> My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
>
> As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not just
> "Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
> Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
>
> All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS: James,
> MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
Scroll back through the original thread. The point not collisions.
I have a really good chance of getting away with the software project
"Apache Kleenex" because the Kleenex registration refers to a paper
product, not a software product.
But it does not matter that your software product only shares part of a name
with another software product, or that the two types of software do entirely
different thing. The question is always one of confusion (deliberate or
otherwise).
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Oh, and as for the other Apache names having results on TESS, that is
probably because the names are used in completely different industries or
'domains' - something that is usually ok for overlap.
Or if there is anything that comes along with a similar or same name in the
software space, then these Apache projects would probably still be safe as
they would be probably identified as "prior art" [1], having a historical
record (website, mailing lists) proving they were the first to use it in any
recognizable capacity.
IANAL either, but I hope that helps.
Cheers,
Les
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
> Hi Maarten,
>
> This is a good question.
>
> There is nothing in TESS that shows a potential naming conflict other than
> a result. That is, if you execute a search for all active entries, and a
> result comes up, odds are high that it would not be a good candidate. Or if
> you do see a result, be sure it is not software related in any way.
>
> You're right that "Apache Ki" would have been the official name if it
> stood, but the Incubator seemed to come to a consensus that we should change
> the name just in case. They felt it would be best to find a name with no
> overlap anywhere, just to be safe; they're trying to limit the possibility
> of anyone starting legal action contending for a name - they could not
> afford to deal with that if it ever surfaced.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Les
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Maarten Bosteels <mbosteels.dns@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Les,
>>
>> Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming conflict ?
>> It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
>>
>> I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
>> My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
>>
>> As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not just
>> "Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
>> Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
>>
>> All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS: James,
>> MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
>>
>> Maarten
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
>>>> No hits in TESS.
>>>> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>>>>
>>>> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Apache Community.
>>>> >
>>>> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free
>>>> from
>>>> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
>>>> again.
>>>> >
>>>> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
>>>> contribute a
>>>> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting
>>>> now,
>>>> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
>>>> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
>>>> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
>>>> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
>>>> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
>>>> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
>>>> that
>>>> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of
>>>> your
>>>> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
>>>> Also
>>>> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would
>>>> be a
>>>> > great candidate too.
>>>> >
>>>> > Name submission starts NOW.
>>>> >
>>>> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
>>>> wishes
>>>> > to participate!
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks so much,
>>>> >
>>>> > Les Hazlewood
>>>> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>>>> >
>>>> > [1]
>>>> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>>>> >
>>>>
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>>>
>>
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Hi Maarten,
It started based on this post:
http://www.jsecurity.org/node/1081#comment-289
This apparently was enough for the Incubator to be concerned, hence this new
renaming effort.
Cheers,
Les
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Maarten Bosteels
<mb...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> Hi Maarten,
>>
>> This is a good question.
>>
>> There is nothing in TESS that shows a potential naming conflict other than
>> a result. That is, if you execute a search for all active entries, and a
>> result comes up, odds are high that it would not be a good candidate. Or if
>> you do see a result, be sure it is not software related in any way.
>
>
> Hi Les,
>
> What I actually meant is this:
> In your original post, you're saying "It seems as if our recently changed
> name of Apache Ki is not free from potential naming conflict problems"
> Where does this info come from ? Is this info backed by an entry in the
> TESS database ? Or an entry in another "intellectual property" database ?
>
> Best regards
> Maarten
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> You're right that "Apache Ki" would have been the official name if it
>> stood, but the Incubator seemed to come to a consensus that we should change
>> the name just in case. They felt it would be best to find a name with no
>> overlap anywhere, just to be safe; they're trying to limit the possibility
>> of anyone starting legal action contending for a name - they could not
>> afford to deal with that if it ever surfaced.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Maarten Bosteels <
>> mbosteels.dns@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Les,
>>>
>>> Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming conflict ?
>>> It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
>>>
>>> I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
>>> My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
>>>
>>> As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not just
>>> "Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
>>> Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
>>>
>>> All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS: James,
>>> MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
>>>
>>> Maarten
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
>>>>> No hits in TESS.
>>>>> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> > Hi Apache Community.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free
>>>>> from
>>>>> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our
>>>>> name again.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
>>>>> contribute a
>>>>> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting
>>>>> now,
>>>>> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
>>>>> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new
>>>>> email.
>>>>> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
>>>>> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
>>>>> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
>>>>> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
>>>>> that
>>>>> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of
>>>>> your
>>>>> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
>>>>> Also
>>>>> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would
>>>>> be a
>>>>> > great candidate too.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Name submission starts NOW.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone
>>>>> who wishes
>>>>> > to participate!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks so much,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Les Hazlewood
>>>>> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>>>>> >
>>>>> > [1]
>>>>> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>>>>> >
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Jasper Siepkes <ja...@siepkes.nl>.
Hi Les,
Sorry my bad hadn't noticed that; That would really be funny, trying to
register a name used by the trademark office itself :-)
Another thing that crossed my mind is that you could also name it after
yourself; Since it is your name, anyone will have a hard time claiming a
IP infringement. Like the Mike Rowe case for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._MikeRoweSoft
I don't know if Apache would like such a naming scheme though.
Kind regards,
Jasper
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:52 -0400, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Hi Jasper,
>
> There might be some confusion here - TESS is not a suggested name for
> the project - it is the name of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's
> search engine: http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm
>
> Cheers,
>
> Les
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Jasper Siepkes <ja...@siepkes.nl>
> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Regarding the name Tess; I know that the automated assistant
> of Ziggo
> (largest cable provider here in the Netherlands) is called
> Tess. Not
> really in the same field, it is software however.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jasper
>
>
> On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 22:18 +0200, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Les Hazlewood
> <lh...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > Hi Maarten,
> >
> > This is a good question.
> >
> > There is nothing in TESS that shows a potential
> naming
> > conflict other than a result. That is, if you
> execute a
> > search for all active entries, and a result comes
> up, odds are
> > high that it would not be a good candidate. Or if
> you do see
> > a result, be sure it is not software related in any
> way.
> >
> > Hi Les,
> >
> > What I actually meant is this:
> > In your original post, you're saying "It seems as if our
> recently
> > changed name of Apache Ki is not free from potential naming
> conflict
> > problems"
> > Where does this info come from ? Is this info backed by an
> entry in
> > the TESS database ? Or an entry in another "intellectual
> property"
> > database ?
> >
> > Best regards
> > Maarten
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You're right that "Apache Ki" would have been the
> official
> > name if it stood, but the Incubator seemed to come
> to a
> > consensus that we should change the name just in
> case. They
> > felt it would be best to find a name with no overlap
> anywhere,
> > just to be safe; they're trying to limit the
> possibility of
> > anyone starting legal action contending for a name -
> they
> > could not afford to deal with that if it ever
> surfaced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Maarten Bosteels
> > <mb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Les,
> >
> > Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the
> potential
> > naming conflict ?
> > It could help us understand which names are
> good
> > candidates.
> >
> > I don't quite understand the problem
> (IANAL).
> > My apologies if this has all been discussed
> before.
> >
> > As far as I understand, the name of the
> project is
> > "Apache Ki" not just "Ki", so I don't see
> any
> > conflicts.
> > Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be
> missing
> > something here.
> >
> > All Apache project names I tried, generate
> several
> > hits on TESS: James, MINA, Cocoon, Maven,
> Cayenne
> >
> > Maarten
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les
> Hazlewood
> > <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM,
> sebb
> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > PANEKANA - apparently means
> security
> > in Hawaiian.
> > No hits in TESS.
> > Google shows no hits
> relating to
> > commercial enterprises.
> >
> >
> > On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood
> > <lh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > Hi Apache Community.
> > >
> > > It seems as if our
> recently changed
> > name of Apache Ki is not
> free from
> > > potential naming conflict
> problems,
> > and we'll need to change our
> name
> > again.
> > >
> > > So, we're reaching out to
> everyone
> > and anyone who would like to
> > contribute a
> > > new name to the
> suggestion pool.
> > Here's how the process will
> work:
> > >
> > > 1. All new names will be
> accepted
> > by anyone for 1 week.
> Starting now,
> > > ending 27 May 2009
> Midnight GMT-8.
> > > 2. We'll present the
> compiled list
> > of submitted names in a new
> email.
> > > Everyone will have 72
> hours to vote
> > on their favorite.
> > > 3. The top 5 names by
> vote count
> > will be the finalists.
> > > 4. 72 more hours to vote
> to reduce
> > the list to 2 final names.
> > > 5. 1 final 72 hour period
> to vote
> > on one of these 2 names.
> The name
> > that
> > > wins by simple majority
> will be the
> > new project name.
> > >
> > > Please ensure any name
> submission
> > is free and clear to the
> best of your
> > > knowledge from any
> Trademarks or
> > Patents by performing a
> search [1].
> > Also
> > > if you can get little or
> no results
> > in Google and Yahoo, that
> would be a
> > > great candidate too.
> > >
> > > Name submission starts
> NOW.
> > >
> > > We look forward to all
> name
> > suggestions, and we
> appreciate anyone
> > who wishes
> > > to participate!
> > >
> > > Thanks so much,
> > >
> > > Les Hazlewood
> > > Apache JSecurity/Apache
> > Ki/Apache ??? member
> > >
> > > [1]
> >
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Hi Jasper,
There might be some confusion here - TESS is not a suggested name for the
project - it is the name of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's search
engine: http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm
Cheers,
Les
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Jasper Siepkes <ja...@siepkes.nl> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Regarding the name Tess; I know that the automated assistant of Ziggo
> (largest cable provider here in the Netherlands) is called Tess. Not
> really in the same field, it is software however.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jasper
>
> On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 22:18 +0200, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > Hi Maarten,
> >
> > This is a good question.
> >
> > There is nothing in TESS that shows a potential naming
> > conflict other than a result. That is, if you execute a
> > search for all active entries, and a result comes up, odds are
> > high that it would not be a good candidate. Or if you do see
> > a result, be sure it is not software related in any way.
> >
> > Hi Les,
> >
> > What I actually meant is this:
> > In your original post, you're saying "It seems as if our recently
> > changed name of Apache Ki is not free from potential naming conflict
> > problems"
> > Where does this info come from ? Is this info backed by an entry in
> > the TESS database ? Or an entry in another "intellectual property"
> > database ?
> >
> > Best regards
> > Maarten
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You're right that "Apache Ki" would have been the official
> > name if it stood, but the Incubator seemed to come to a
> > consensus that we should change the name just in case. They
> > felt it would be best to find a name with no overlap anywhere,
> > just to be safe; they're trying to limit the possibility of
> > anyone starting legal action contending for a name - they
> > could not afford to deal with that if it ever surfaced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Maarten Bosteels
> > <mb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Les,
> >
> > Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential
> > naming conflict ?
> > It could help us understand which names are good
> > candidates.
> >
> > I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
> > My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
> >
> > As far as I understand, the name of the project is
> > "Apache Ki" not just "Ki", so I don't see any
> > conflicts.
> > Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing
> > something here.
> >
> > All Apache project names I tried, generate several
> > hits on TESS: James, MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
> >
> > Maarten
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les Hazlewood
> > <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb
> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > PANEKANA - apparently means security
> > in Hawaiian.
> > No hits in TESS.
> > Google shows no hits relating to
> > commercial enterprises.
> >
> >
> > On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood
> > <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hi Apache Community.
> > >
> > > It seems as if our recently changed
> > name of Apache Ki is not free from
> > > potential naming conflict problems,
> > and we'll need to change our name
> > again.
> > >
> > > So, we're reaching out to everyone
> > and anyone who would like to
> > contribute a
> > > new name to the suggestion pool.
> > Here's how the process will work:
> > >
> > > 1. All new names will be accepted
> > by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> > > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> > > 2. We'll present the compiled list
> > of submitted names in a new email.
> > > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote
> > on their favorite.
> > > 3. The top 5 names by vote count
> > will be the finalists.
> > > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce
> > the list to 2 final names.
> > > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote
> > on one of these 2 names. The name
> > that
> > > wins by simple majority will be the
> > new project name.
> > >
> > > Please ensure any name submission
> > is free and clear to the best of your
> > > knowledge from any Trademarks or
> > Patents by performing a search [1].
> > Also
> > > if you can get little or no results
> > in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> > > great candidate too.
> > >
> > > Name submission starts NOW.
> > >
> > > We look forward to all name
> > suggestions, and we appreciate anyone
> > who wishes
> > > to participate!
> > >
> > > Thanks so much,
> > >
> > > Les Hazlewood
> > > Apache JSecurity/Apache
> > Ki/Apache ??? member
> > >
> > > [1]
> >
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> > general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Jasper Siepkes <ja...@siepkes.nl>.
Hi All,
Regarding the name Tess; I know that the automated assistant of Ziggo
(largest cable provider here in the Netherlands) is called Tess. Not
really in the same field, it is software however.
Kind regards,
Jasper
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 22:18 +0200, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> Hi Maarten,
>
> This is a good question.
>
> There is nothing in TESS that shows a potential naming
> conflict other than a result. That is, if you execute a
> search for all active entries, and a result comes up, odds are
> high that it would not be a good candidate. Or if you do see
> a result, be sure it is not software related in any way.
>
> Hi Les,
>
> What I actually meant is this:
> In your original post, you're saying "It seems as if our recently
> changed name of Apache Ki is not free from potential naming conflict
> problems"
> Where does this info come from ? Is this info backed by an entry in
> the TESS database ? Or an entry in another "intellectual property"
> database ?
>
> Best regards
> Maarten
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You're right that "Apache Ki" would have been the official
> name if it stood, but the Incubator seemed to come to a
> consensus that we should change the name just in case. They
> felt it would be best to find a name with no overlap anywhere,
> just to be safe; they're trying to limit the possibility of
> anyone starting legal action contending for a name - they
> could not afford to deal with that if it ever surfaced.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Les
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Maarten Bosteels
> <mb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Les,
>
> Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential
> naming conflict ?
> It could help us understand which names are good
> candidates.
>
> I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
> My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
>
> As far as I understand, the name of the project is
> "Apache Ki" not just "Ki", so I don't see any
> conflicts.
> Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing
> something here.
>
> All Apache project names I tried, generate several
> hits on TESS: James, MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
>
> Maarten
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les Hazlewood
> <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb
> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> PANEKANA - apparently means security
> in Hawaiian.
> No hits in TESS.
> Google shows no hits relating to
> commercial enterprises.
>
>
> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood
> <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi Apache Community.
> >
> > It seems as if our recently changed
> name of Apache Ki is not free from
> > potential naming conflict problems,
> and we'll need to change our name
> again.
> >
> > So, we're reaching out to everyone
> and anyone who would like to
> contribute a
> > new name to the suggestion pool.
> Here's how the process will work:
> >
> > 1. All new names will be accepted
> by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> > 2. We'll present the compiled list
> of submitted names in a new email.
> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote
> on their favorite.
> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count
> will be the finalists.
> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce
> the list to 2 final names.
> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote
> on one of these 2 names. The name
> that
> > wins by simple majority will be the
> new project name.
> >
> > Please ensure any name submission
> is free and clear to the best of your
> > knowledge from any Trademarks or
> Patents by performing a search [1].
> Also
> > if you can get little or no results
> in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> > great candidate too.
> >
> > Name submission starts NOW.
> >
> > We look forward to all name
> suggestions, and we appreciate anyone
> who wishes
> > to participate!
> >
> > Thanks so much,
> >
> > Les Hazlewood
> > Apache JSecurity/Apache
> Ki/Apache ??? member
> >
> > [1]
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> >
>
>
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>
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>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
> Hi Maarten,
>
> This is a good question.
>
> There is nothing in TESS that shows a potential naming conflict other than
> a result. That is, if you execute a search for all active entries, and a
> result comes up, odds are high that it would not be a good candidate. Or if
> you do see a result, be sure it is not software related in any way.
Hi Les,
What I actually meant is this:
In your original post, you're saying "It seems as if our recently changed
name of Apache Ki is not free from potential naming conflict problems"
Where does this info come from ? Is this info backed by an entry in the
TESS database ? Or an entry in another "intellectual property" database ?
Best regards
Maarten
>
>
> You're right that "Apache Ki" would have been the official name if it
> stood, but the Incubator seemed to come to a consensus that we should change
> the name just in case. They felt it would be best to find a name with no
> overlap anywhere, just to be safe; they're trying to limit the possibility
> of anyone starting legal action contending for a name - they could not
> afford to deal with that if it ever surfaced.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Les
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Maarten Bosteels <mbosteels.dns@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Les,
>>
>> Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming conflict ?
>> It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
>>
>> I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
>> My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
>>
>> As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not just
>> "Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
>> Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
>>
>> All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS: James,
>> MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
>>
>> Maarten
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
>>>> No hits in TESS.
>>>> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>>>>
>>>> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Apache Community.
>>>> >
>>>> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free
>>>> from
>>>> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
>>>> again.
>>>> >
>>>> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
>>>> contribute a
>>>> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting
>>>> now,
>>>> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
>>>> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
>>>> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
>>>> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
>>>> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
>>>> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
>>>> that
>>>> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of
>>>> your
>>>> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
>>>> Also
>>>> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would
>>>> be a
>>>> > great candidate too.
>>>> >
>>>> > Name submission starts NOW.
>>>> >
>>>> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
>>>> wishes
>>>> > to participate!
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks so much,
>>>> >
>>>> > Les Hazlewood
>>>> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>>>> >
>>>> > [1]
>>>> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>>>> >
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Hi Maarten,
This is a good question.
There is nothing in TESS that shows a potential naming conflict other than a
result. That is, if you execute a search for all active entries, and a
result comes up, odds are high that it would not be a good candidate. Or if
you do see a result, be sure it is not software related in any way.
You're right that "Apache Ki" would have been the official name if it stood,
but the Incubator seemed to come to a consensus that we should change the
name just in case. They felt it would be best to find a name with no
overlap anywhere, just to be safe; they're trying to limit the possibility
of anyone starting legal action contending for a name - they could not
afford to deal with that if it ever surfaced.
Cheers,
Les
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Maarten Bosteels
<mb...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Les,
>
> Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming conflict ?
> It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
>
> I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
> My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
>
> As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not just
> "Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
> Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
>
> All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS: James,
> MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
>
> Maarten
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
>>> No hits in TESS.
>>> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>>>
>>> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Hi Apache Community.
>>> >
>>> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
>>> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
>>> again.
>>> >
>>> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
>>> contribute a
>>> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>>> >
>>> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
>>> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
>>> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
>>> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
>>> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
>>> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
>>> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
>>> that
>>> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>>> >
>>> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of
>>> your
>>> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
>>> Also
>>> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be
>>> a
>>> > great candidate too.
>>> >
>>> > Name submission starts NOW.
>>> >
>>> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
>>> wishes
>>> > to participate!
>>> >
>>> > Thanks so much,
>>> >
>>> > Les Hazlewood
>>> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>>> >
>>> > [1]
>>> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>>> >
>>>
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>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
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>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
Hi Les,
Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming conflict ?
It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not just
"Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS: James,
MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
Maarten
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
>> No hits in TESS.
>> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>>
>> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Apache Community.
>> >
>> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
>> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
>> again.
>> >
>> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
>> contribute a
>> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>> >
>> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
>> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
>> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
>> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
>> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
>> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
>> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
>> that
>> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>> >
>> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
>> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
>> Also
>> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be
>> a
>> > great candidate too.
>> >
>> > Name submission starts NOW.
>> >
>> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
>> wishes
>> > to participate!
>> >
>> > Thanks so much,
>> >
>> > Les Hazlewood
>> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>> >
>> > [1]
>> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>> >
>>
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>>
>>
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
Hi Les,
Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming conflict ?
It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not just
"Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS: James,
MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
Maarten
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
>> No hits in TESS.
>> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>>
>> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Apache Community.
>> >
>> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
>> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
>> again.
>> >
>> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
>> contribute a
>> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>> >
>> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
>> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
>> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
>> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
>> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
>> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
>> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
>> that
>> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>> >
>> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
>> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
>> Also
>> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be
>> a
>> > great candidate too.
>> >
>> > Name submission starts NOW.
>> >
>> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
>> wishes
>> > to participate!
>> >
>> > Thanks so much,
>> >
>> > Les Hazlewood
>> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>> >
>> > [1]
>> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>> >
>>
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>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
Hi Les,
Is there an entry in TESS that shows us the potential naming conflict ?
It could help us understand which names are good candidates.
I don't quite understand the problem (IANAL).
My apologies if this has all been discussed before.
As far as I understand, the name of the project is "Apache Ki" not just
"Ki", so I don't see any conflicts.
Same for "Apache JSecurity". I must be missing something here.
All Apache project names I tried, generate several hits on TESS: James,
MINA, Cocoon, Maven, Cayenne
Maarten
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
>> No hits in TESS.
>> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>>
>> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Apache Community.
>> >
>> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
>> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
>> again.
>> >
>> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
>> contribute a
>> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>> >
>> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
>> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
>> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
>> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
>> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
>> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
>> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
>> that
>> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>> >
>> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
>> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
>> Also
>> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be
>> a
>> > great candidate too.
>> >
>> > Name submission starts NOW.
>> >
>> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
>> wishes
>> > to participate!
>> >
>> > Thanks so much,
>> >
>> > Les Hazlewood
>> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>> >
>> > [1]
>> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>> >
>>
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>>
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Thanks!
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
> No hits in TESS.
> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>
> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi Apache Community.
> >
> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
> again.
> >
> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
> contribute a
> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
> >
> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
> that
> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
> >
> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
> Also
> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> > great candidate too.
> >
> > Name submission starts NOW.
> >
> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> wishes
> > to participate!
> >
> > Thanks so much,
> >
> > Les Hazlewood
> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
> >
> > [1]
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> >
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
sebb wrote:
> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
> No hits in TESS.
> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
I like the alliteration... a pa che pan e kan a
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
sebb wrote:
> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
> No hits in TESS.
> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
I like the alliteration... a pa che pan e kan a
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Thanks!
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
> No hits in TESS.
> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>
> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi Apache Community.
> >
> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
> again.
> >
> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
> contribute a
> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
> >
> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
> that
> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
> >
> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
> Also
> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> > great candidate too.
> >
> > Name submission starts NOW.
> >
> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> wishes
> > to participate!
> >
> > Thanks so much,
> >
> > Les Hazlewood
> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
> >
> > [1]
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> >
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Thanks!
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
> No hits in TESS.
> Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
>
> On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi Apache Community.
> >
> > It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> > potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name
> again.
> >
> > So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to
> contribute a
> > new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
> >
> > 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> > ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> > 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> > Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> > 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> > 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> > 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name
> that
> > wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
> >
> > Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> > knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1].
> Also
> > if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> > great candidate too.
> >
> > Name submission starts NOW.
> >
> > We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who
> wishes
> > to participate!
> >
> > Thanks so much,
> >
> > Les Hazlewood
> > Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
> >
> > [1]
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
> >
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
No hits in TESS.
Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Apache Community.
>
> It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name again.
>
> So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to contribute a
> new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>
> 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name that
> wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>
> Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1]. Also
> if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> great candidate too.
>
> Name submission starts NOW.
>
> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who wishes
> to participate!
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Les Hazlewood
> Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>
> [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by Chintana Wilamuna <ch...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who wishes
> to participate!
Apache Narsil
Narsil is the sword of Kind Elendil in Lord Of The Rings. Which acts
as a symbol of great power and protection in the hands of who's
carrying it.
Bye,
-Chintana
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Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
PANEKANA - apparently means security in Hawaiian.
No hits in TESS.
Google shows no hits relating to commercial enterprises.
On 19/05/2009, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Apache Community.
>
> It seems as if our recently changed name of Apache Ki is not free from
> potential naming conflict problems, and we'll need to change our name again.
>
> So, we're reaching out to everyone and anyone who would like to contribute a
> new name to the suggestion pool. Here's how the process will work:
>
> 1. All new names will be accepted by anyone for 1 week. Starting now,
> ending 27 May 2009 Midnight GMT-8.
> 2. We'll present the compiled list of submitted names in a new email.
> Everyone will have 72 hours to vote on their favorite.
> 3. The top 5 names by vote count will be the finalists.
> 4. 72 more hours to vote to reduce the list to 2 final names.
> 5. 1 final 72 hour period to vote on one of these 2 names. The name that
> wins by simple majority will be the new project name.
>
> Please ensure any name submission is free and clear to the best of your
> knowledge from any Trademarks or Patents by performing a search [1]. Also
> if you can get little or no results in Google and Yahoo, that would be a
> great candidate too.
>
> Name submission starts NOW.
>
> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who wishes
> to participate!
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Les Hazlewood
> Apache JSecurity/Apache Ki/Apache ??? member
>
> [1] http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4002:3c9s6h.1.1
>
Re: Apache JSecurity/Ki rename - please submit suggestions!
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
> We look forward to all name suggestions, and we appreciate anyone who wishes
> to participate!
Another solution is to invent a new word.
I devised a tool to create new names.
It has recently been accepted as a new project at Apache Labs [1].
"Using existing relevant words as a starting point, Penihip
applies a specified offset number of characters to shift along the
alphabet, thereby creating new words. The consonants and vowels are
shifted within their own set. Therefore the generated words are more
likely able to be spoken."
Encrypting a word seems especially relevant for a security-related project.
My choice is "Tidasif".
This comes from the word "Secured" using an offset of one character.
So "S" becomes "T", "e" becomes "i", "c" becomes "d", etc.
Searching the net for "+tidasif" gives 3 hits, all nonsense.
Alternatively "Tidasi" (from "Secure"). That is more
pronouncable and memorable, which is another quality to
look for in a name. However, search finds some uses of the
name, also when combined with "security".
Try it yourself. A fun way to waste some more time on names.
[1] New Lab Request: Penihip - a name generator
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.labs.devel/1890
-David